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Why won’t Hamas allow the Red Cross to see the hostages?
Let me see if I understand this. You don’t have actionable concerns about Chinese oppression of minorities because your tax monies are not being spent in support of their policies. You have no interest in BDS-ing China, for instance.
But you object to Israel’s oppression of minorities because your taxes are spent there.
So, to you, oppression isn’t so much a matter of morality or ethics, it’s about tax revenue allocation. This is actually what you’ve written. Repeatedly.
Can we conclude then that if America stopped giving Israel money, you would no longer give a shit about the Palestinians? It appears that’s where you’ve headed with your “logical” analysis of the situation
Otherwise differentiating by taxes spent, or not, your fallback position, wouldn’t matter. Right?
I won’t invest in Chinese (or Israeli, but for a different reason) companies either. Pro tip: when you’re looking at something at Walmart and it says “made in China” on it, don’t buy it
Got it, so you’re not boycotting Chinese goods because you don’t care if your money is used to support that genocide. Did you major in situational ethics in school?
You should know by now that I don’t approve of this Israeli government but you keep setting up the straw man that I do so you can disparage me about it. You seem to have very little besides hysterical name calling, you refute nothing in a fact based manner
What an irony that your entire post is a whine and you end it by telling me to stop whining
Simple question: are you boycotting Chinese made goods knowing that your money is going to aid a genocide? Seems like a simple answer would suffice, yet you won't give one.
Or is this maybe a selective moral outrage of yours, applicable only to Israel?
Not sure who the bully is here, but people like to see rank hypocrites get their comeuppance, too.
To refresh your memory, I never equated anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, but clearly some people do. Otherwise, how do you explain why there's been beefed up security at Jewish day schools in Manhattan since 10/7. When you get older, maybe you'll come to see that not everything is black and white.
More late-breaking Zionist b.s. (check out his bio at the end of the piece)
https://www.newsweek.com/my-fellow-palestinians-stop-blaming-jewshamas-starving-our-brothers-sisters-gaza-opinion-1875962
But again, although you won’t answer, you spend your money buying cheap shit made by slave labor in apartheid China, doncha? And that money is used to kill Uyghurs, right? But you only want to hold accountable how your tax money is spent? How much more of a hypocrite can you possibly be?
You’d like to see a portion of Israel reduced to rubble but I’m a sadistic bastard? I don’t enjoy seeing what’s happening in Gaza and that appears to be a difference between us. You are as much a sadistic bastard as the Hamas cowards.
You are unmoored from decent behavior, your moral compass has gone missing.
SLM (Sudanese Lives Matter)
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/18/opinion/sudan-famine-humanitarian-aid.html
Come join us as we protest the genocide in Sudan! Bring your Sudan flag scarves as we try to shut down MOMA and access to the JFK Airport. We plan these and several other childish stunts that are totally ineffective but do inconvenience innocent bystanders.
Oh, wait, I see Israel is probably not at fault (unless it's pulling strings behind the scenes), so never mind.
It's war, genius, name one where this hasn't happened. And when Hamas frees the hostages and surrenders, this ends. As you know. Have you researched how many of those civilian deaths are due to misfired Hamas rockets? Or how many were Hamas fighters? I didn't think so, it might ruin your narrative
How many more Gazans is Hamas willing to sacrifice to win their war on social media? To have naifs like you wearing your kaffiyehs around and disrupting museums and airports?
The thing that first set off red flags about your story was your ignorance of Satmar Hasidim. They are the most famous anti-Zionist group of Jews in the world, photos of them at Pro-Pali rallies are ubiquitous. They have just about taken over the towns of Monsey, NY and Kiryas Joel, NY and have been written up in numerous national publications about the effect that has had on housing and school issues in those towns, the separation of church and state. And they're both about, what, a 1 1/2 hour drive from you in central CT. and you never heard of them? Something doesn't add up, I'm not buying your act, as humorously juvenile as it is.
Or, I already knew it?
I'll pit my knowledge of the complexity of the situation against yours any time, that article is for beginners.
Sorry, I take back what I wrote about you being obtuse, you’re actually just not the sharpest knife in the drawer
First, haven’t I written repeatedly that I think both Netanyahu and the WB settlers all belong behind bars? So why is it “my” government? Oh, I get it, another cheap shot that you think is clever
Second, I’ve never claimed that anti- Zionism equals antisemitism. I don’t put words in your mouth, why is misrepresenting my posts your fallback rhetoric?
Mostly I don’t think the rest of your post (any of it actually )merits a response, you either won’t get it or will lie about what I’ve written. Life is too short and I have enough assholes to deal with in real life.
Which is why no other Arab countries are welcoming refugees from Gaza. Their perception, as is Israel's, is that way too many of them are committed to Hamas principles.
I claimed all the reports are fake? Link please, I claim reports of the numbers of overall casualties are dubious, as do many other non-Israel haters around the world, but that's hardly all reports of the conflict. .
If you have to lie in order to feel justified in expressing your juvenile rage, you are indeed a stooge of social media.
But seriously, folks, what are you doing to aid your Palestinian bros other than venting on anonymous bulletin boards? Are you sending money or maybe working with a group to get them medical supplies? Maybe you have a trip planned to help a humanitarian non-profit or two with the fallout of the war? Volunteering to house a few refugees when this is all over?
You've never mentioned a single constructive activity that you are engaged in to help them, or anyone, for that matter. You remain a gas bag with no substance. And yes, Zorax, I'm aware that this is insulting language.
Since you are citing Hamas reports of numbers of casualties, how many of those killed by Israel do they note were Hamas fighters? They don't distinguish and you don't care, it's just another sophomoric notion of something to hold against Israel. Aren't you embarrassed to be so entirely clueless, to be such a dupe?
At least I think about things and try to form somewhat reasoned opinions, admittedly not to everyone's taste. You don't do much more than the equivalent of spouting tv commercials.
And, by the way, I do like your nickname for Trump, hewhoshitsinpants. It was actually pretty funny the first 3000 times.
It's a little hard to parse. Since Hamas was an outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood it would seem that Egypt would be sympatico. So why aren't they giving aid to their brother Sunni terrorists?
I have no idea. Maybe they've evolved beyond the idea of a permanent war footing as a way to a better economy and lifestyle? There's clearly no money in that.. Egypt and some other countries in the Middle East, like just about all of them, apparently value a working relationship with Israel over one with Iran, which has zero to offer except the exporting of terrorism.
Egypt and Israel have been at peace with each other for decades and maybe Egypt doesn't want to rock to the boat to come to the aid of unrepentant terrorists? Similarly, Jordan has shown no inclination to aid Hamas and they also have been working it out with Israel. As I noted once before, mining operations in the Dead Sea have roads running between Jordan and Israel which have no checkpoints (been there seen that).
Hamas instigated this war on the eve of the beginning of a possibly somewhat normalized relationship between Saudi Arabia and Israel. Say what you will about Netanyahu planning this to avoid jail, Iran's stakes are so much higher.
Hamas has used the hundreds of millions of dollars, billions, that it has received in aid for Gaza to, instead, build the infrastructure for permanent war. Who wants to partner with that?
One thing to keep in mind in any discussion of the Middle East is that Israel is a net exporter of desalinized (fresh) water which will be of increasing importance as climate change continues along its merry way.
"I mean, you claim to be a photographer, I think that was you, do you also take photos literally in the age of AI?" - to you, post #466375
I get it, you're being funny snarky by claiming Netanyahu is my President, even after I've repeatedly written I think he should be in jail. You probably didn't see those posts either
My point, which I thought was pretty obvious, was that photos can't be believed any more, whether of wars or naked women, sorry it went over your head.
So you have no opinion on the effect that AI, or generative fill, has on the perception of "reality" in photographs?
I thought I was asking you as a photographer, I think I specified that, it seems you are so eager to dispute me that you don't even bother to read my posts.
For the record, I'm pretty good with Photoshop (for stills, not video or special effects) and have been working on different aspects of GF. The problem with generative fill used to be that if you enlarged the final picture enough, you could see a difference in resolution between the original and the add-on. Not too long ago, they developed a hack to get around that ,so it's extremely difficult to tell the difference at this point.
Basically you can't trust photographs any more, as was lately seen in the fake nude photos of some actresses generated by A.I. - this is all way beyond Photoshopping someone's head on a naked body.
But you probably know all this, I could post some photos to show you what I mean, but I don't think you'd be interested.
I don’t believe I’ve ever called you any names, but it’s heartwarming to see that you feel a need to fight others fights for them. In a way, though, that’s more insulting to them than calling them names.
In your mind, is calling someone, say, narrow minded, on the same par as calling them a genocidal thug?
How about answering some of those other questions I proposed? I mean, you claim to be a photographer, I think that was you, do you also take photos literally in the age of AI? Why isn’t Egypt allowing aid into Gaza?
That’s the sort of studied reasonable response you’re know for.
If it’s your money are you boycotting the cheap stuff made by slave labor in apartheid China? Maybe starting a movement on college campuses to BDS them? I can’t wait for you to not answer.
A couple more questions: why isn’t Egypt letting supplies into Gaza? And why have they reinforced their walls between the 2 countries?
In the way that other European countries are helping to arm Ukraine, which other Middle Eastern countries are helping to arm Hamas? Also in the way various EU countries are taking in Ukrainian refugees, which Arab countries are welcoming Palestinians?
Bonus question: do you feel more manly when you call people names or were you just raised poorly?
dude, you're obtuse or not trying. My point has always been that Israel is being held to a standard that applies to no other country anywhere. Where are the protests about the Chinese treatment of the Uyghurs, or example, or the hellscape they've created in Congo (you probably don't even know about that).
Millions have been killed in the DRC during 2 civil wars in the past 20 years, I must have missed the protests about that.
Were you wearing your cute kiffeyeh scarf and screaming about this?
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/
I guess the murders of Palestinians only matters to you when Israel does it.
Of course, two wrongs don't make a right but I can smell the scent of your hypocrisy from here.
I find it odd, or maybe not, that you seem to be entirely incurious about how much of this devastation has been caused by misfired Hamas rockets.
From what I've read, and I'd be interested to see if you have any contradicting info on this, about 5-10% of the 15,000 rockets fired by Hamas have misfired, with many (many) of them falling back on Gaza. Of course it goes against the narrative but if you want to assign actual blame for this mess, it could be interesting to find out.
Also, you know you're old if you continue to take photographs as the literal truth. Look into AI and Photoshop's generative fill and you, too, will be able to produce photos like these in the comfort of your living room.
This is not to say that these aren't literally true and all the damage was caused by Israel, but to not doubt them, at least a little, is to believe what you want. Facts, schmacts, amirite?
Honestly, I looked up “insufferable “ in the dictionary and there was a picture of you.
Yes, it’s true about the black communities. Have you not read my numerous condemnations of the settler movement? You’re like a Trumpist, just throwing shit up against the fall, facts are the real fake news.
I object to your calling the Israelis “your” in reference to me. It’s an asshole move
Your post insults the intelligence of almost all sentient beings.
Some men rob you with a gun and some rob you with a fountain pen. And whomever robbed you of clues.
It’s the disparity in sentencing and the police violence I mentioned, not general principles of maintaining law and order
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-
shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
Compare them as a percentage of those populations as a whole. Name a white George Floyd or Breonna Taylor.
I’m a middle class old white guy and have been treated poorly by the police on a few occasions. I don’t even want to think about what the police do in poor and minority neighborhoods.
Maybe I misinterpreted it, but didn’t Human Rights Watch specifically call Australia an apartheid state currently ? Did you not see that?
You’re right about the Roe analogy, I either deleted it or meant to.
As an aside I rarely encounter an article as poorly written as the one you posted by Clarke and Kenney. The citing of the 2006 election of Hamas as some sort of basic democratic process is silly and it alone destroys their credibility
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/30/hamas-flawed-elections-popularity/
https://www.hrw.org/report/2009/04/20/under-cover-war/hamas-political-violence-gaza
Palestinian Israelis are doctors in hospitals in Israel and hold government office. Do they have to ride in separate busses? Are they barred from the public square? Have to eat in separate restaurants and stay at separate hotels?
My problem with you is that you cheapen the meaning of serious words like genocide and apartheid to score points on social media. Enjoy!
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel
When you succeed in doing away with Israel, what will become of those Jews. Is there a single example in all of history where Jews weren’t expelled from Muslim majority countries?
"And your incredibly idiotic stance of labeling the U.S.A. and Australia as apartheid states is just that"
That's an astute observation but doesn't really explain why there needed to be a BLM movement in America recently, or this:
"As of 2022, Black people were admitted to jail at more than four times the rate of White people and stayed in jail for 12 more days on average" -
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2023/05/racial-disparities-persist-in-many-us-jails#:~:text=As%20of%202022%2C%20Black%20people,population%20observed%20for%20Black%20individuals.
So, you either think this is a fiction or that American Blacks are more likely to be criminals? Try explaining that shite.
When have oppressors ever truly believed they were practicing apartheid? I guess this is Zionist b.s., too?:
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/06/03/australians-should-know-apartheid-still-happening-today
Well, you've moved on and I guess that's what counts.
Since you maybe read books (it's hard to tell), you might be interested in a fairly recent one by the Iraqi journalist, Ghaith Abdul-Ahad, "A Stranger in Your Own City", about covering 20 years of war in Iraq.
It might not seem relevant to Gaza but in it he explains how ISIS in Iraq wasn't trying to overthrow the state (Iraq) it was trying to eliminate it in the service of enabling a caliphate. I submit that Hamas is doing a very similar thing, they have no interest in a Palestinian state they're going for a caliphate, too.
By the way, there are 6 American hostages still being held by Hamas. Have you written Hamas a letter asking nicely to let them go? As usual, you avoid the difficult question, this one as to why Hamas isn't currently smuggling supplies in to Gazans.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-plagued-poverty-hamas-no-shortage-cash-come-rcna121099
Now go back to insulting the hapless Trump-ists, it seems to be very satisfying for you.
More Zionist b.s.:
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers
I know you're sticking with the Hamas Health Ministry stats, because Israel Bad!, but let me ask you a question.
If Hamas was able to smuggle in tons of material to make the tunnels, and thousands of rockets, why can't they smuggle in food and medical supplies for the average Gazans?
Anyway, I have confidence in your ability to ignore non-narrative info as easily as you can ignore your participation in living in an apartheid state.
More Zionist b.s.:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/05/opinion/hamas-sexual-violence-israel.html
In which he gives a shout out to our own resident pro-Hamas crowd:
"And Hamas’s fellow travelers and useful idiots in the West, most of them self-described progressives, parrot that denialism.." (about the sexual violence)
But, the Intercept and it's completely unsourced allegation denying the rapes! Those shifty, lying Jews, welcome to the 16th century.
An oldie but goodie:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/
From today's WaPo:
"A team of United Nations experts tasked with gathering information on sexual violence linked to Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks on Israel found “reasonable grounds to believe” that people were sexually assaulted at “multiple locations” that day. As part of its inquiry, the U.N. team interviewed survivors and witnesses of the Oct. 7 attacks"
Someone please tell the Intercept and it's disingenuous follower, Sortagreen.
It's really rather sad, if not pathetic, that you insist on trying to conflate the WB murderous settlers with Israel as a whole. Maybe that works for people here who regard random video clips on the internet as a source or those who re-post completely unsourced Intercept rumors as fact. (As an aside, I don't know but would be surprised to find out that Jeremy Scahill is still running the Intercept, he would never have printed this kind of tripe back in the day. Or maybe like you he’s in his dotage)
The fact is that unfavorable views of the settlements polls at about 50% of the Israeli population as a whole. Take my word for it, I saw some guy say it in some video. Or look it up.
While 50% support the settlements, and that's way too many, in my opinion, put it into a real world context (for once). In America, about 50% of us believe in Trump. Would you go so far as to extrapolate on that basis that Americans, as a whole, are Christian Nationalists who want to restrict women's health options and want to deport immigrants and think everyone should have a machine gun?
I didn't think so, but you push the notion that Israelis want settlements and that's a fair representation of the country, because, well, Israel Bad! Really, for what it's worth, I'm not impressed.
Around the NY Times today:
"People are more focused on Israel than on what Unicef describes as a “wave of atrocities” currently underway against children in Sudan, while the number of children displaced by recent fighting in Sudan (three million) is greater than the entire population of Gaza. University students in America and Europe protest about Gaza but largely ignore the 700,000 children facing severe acute malnutrition in Sudan, after a civil war began there last April." - Kristof
"One more shameful phenomenon has come to the surface as a result of the war: Israel is the one country in the world whose elimination is most openly called for....For instance, when Saddam Hussein murdered thousands of Kurds with chemical weapons, there were no calls to demolish Iraq, to wipe it off the face of the earth. Only when it comes to Israel is it acceptable to publicly demand the elimination of a state."
- Grossman
None of this is to excuse the horrors of war. It merely to point out what shameful hypocrites some of you are, that you believe that anything not anti-Israel must be "Zionist bs".
Remember that before this war, tens of thousands of Israelis were demonstrating in the streets to get rid of Netanyahu. When were masses of Palestinians demonstrating to get rid of Hamas?
What a load of disingenuous horseshit. Which you know, but post anyway because it fits neatly into your Israel Bad! narrative.
It's very unlikely that women, anywhere, who are raped and murdered, go to rape crisis centers. I guess those Israeli victims couldn't get rides or made the whole thing up.
But wait, what about rape survivors, they usually go right to the authorities, don't they? Or maybe not:
https://www.wvnstv.com/news/rape-is-one-of-the-most-underreported-crimes-heres-why/
But based on that nonsense, you'll go along with the premise, anyway. Next thing, you'll be citing stuff written by Eliot Abrams or what some random guy said in a random video on the internet.
If you liked the Intercept article, here's another:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-66741336
It's bizarre that you'll take Hamas stats at face value but believe nothing that Israel disseminates.
But since you'll believe anything you read, apparently that's not Israeli, I'll recommend this:
https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/
John Spencer spouts Zionist bs?
Let me know if there are clues for sale anywhere and I'll buy you some. John Spencer is "chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute (MWI) at West Point" (Newsweek) So if course you know better than he does.
Also, I want to point out that by citing, and apparently supporting, an article that quotes Eliot Abrams your credibility has hit a new low. Abrams was a major backer of death squads in El Salvador, under Reagan, and, I believe, was convicted of perjury for lying to Congress about it. I mean, who doesn't support raping and killing nuns? Then he was pardoned by one of the Bushes. It could be argued that he's one of the architects of our ongoing border crisis, such as it is.
So, yes, Spencer is a hack, but Abrams is a legit source?
Let's talk genocide and see how Israel's latest atrocities compares with other acknowledged genocides, mostly in the 20th century, because we certainly don't want the word to lose its power:
Israel: 25,000 killed (numbers of combatants vs civilians is not given)
Darfur: 400,000 deaths
Rwanda: 800,000 deaths
Bosnia-Herzegovina: 200,000 deaths
Cambodia: 1.5 - 3 million deaths
China: 27 million deaths
Nanking - 300,000 deaths
Ukraine (Holodomor): 7 million deaths.
(All numbers from The Genocide Education Project)
Words have meanings and to use them for traction on social media diminishes their impact.
The population of Gaza is about 2 million, so Israel has killed about 1% of that population, minus the deaths of combatants and minus the deaths caused by misfired Hamas rockets. So realistically, less than that the 1%. Rwanda's was about 25% of the population. Are the deaths of Gazans horrific? Yes. But it's no genocide.
Just like Uncle Leo on Seinfeld, who saw anti-Semites everywhere and thereby diminished the power of that term, so, too, are you useful idiots doing the same with genocide.
I don’t know what the fuck you’ve heard and don’t care. You’ve shown yourself to be interested only in bias confirmation, different opinions are personally insulting to you and inherently worthless
I posted a link to an article by an acknowledged expert and all you concluded , apparently, is that he’s a noncredible apologist. The head military historian at West Point and his opinion is worthless to you about a military conflict?
What “you’ve heard” is akin to Trump’s, “some people are saying” and that other poster’s random guy in a random video citation as a source. Don’t waste our time please.
You’re exhausting, and worse, boring . My mistake was thinking you might be worth engaging.
I just realized you’re a kid aren’t you? I recall you writing you’re married, so I mean late 20’s early 30’s. Your inability to see gray areas, your childish insults, your poorly developed critical thinking skills all point to this conclusion.
For example , according to you, the chief military historian at West Point is a dastardly apologist, for whatever immoral reasons and you know better? Right. It’s your way or the highway.
You’re too young to realize how immature you come off as. Now go on back to calling people names, that’ll teach them!
Whatever the merits of your arguments, your insulting manner make your arguments losing propositions. I expect if you act like this in real life, your chances for a satisfying existence are diminished.
I mean, how does language like calling me "genocidal filth" further your cause? Do you think that hurts me more or do you think you're embarrassing yourself more? Ad hominem attacks often signal a deep seated insecurity about the merits of an opinion.
Did you read the article in Newsweek I posted by the West Point military historian? I didn't think so.
Of course this isn't some random guy on some random video on YouTube, but still:
Dr. Ahmed -physician, human rights activist, practicing Muslim after visiting Israeli morgue w the 10/07 dead - WSJ 11/10/23
"The Oct. 7 attack was premeditated, organized and targeted, seeking to destroy as many Israelis as possible. Hamas tortured and immolated its victims, including children, pregnant women and the unborn. Its men intentionally captured hostages, around 240 in total, reportedly from more than 40 countries.
They had intent. Eyewitnesses told me the terrorists came with tablets loaded with maps of the kibbutzim, blueprints and floor plans of homes, names of families and specific knowledge of service records and where Israeli veterans were living. Others told me that some of the terrorists spoke Hebrew and lured the unwitting out of their safe rooms into certain death."
If you repost something you own it. It’s amazing that now that you know it was untrue you continue to defend it. Some guy said it in some video so you believed it? Nice!
Fuagf must be pleased to see that you think he needs your help to defend himself.
From what I’ve recently read, and I don’t have time to post it now, Mearsheimer is a dishonest hack with a good job, who never admits he’s wrong about anything. I’m surprised you couldn’t be bothered to check him out. So some Jews have gone from pro-Israel to anti-Israel. Is that your idea of a big fucking deal?
I’m still waiting for the links that showed you Israel is the 3rd largest arms exporter. Don’t repost fake news and then act like you haven’t. Unless unverified smearing is your thing
With the arms exporting nonsense and the Mearsheimer reposting, you’re exposing yourself to legitimate accusations that you’re not credible and pretending to be to further an agenda. In other words, a MAGAt by another name
We already know that some American Jews are anti-Zionist or anti-Israel.As I’ve previously pointed out, the American Satmar Hasidim are notoriously anti-Israel, for example.
There is a subset of Jews, American and otherwise, who believe that since the Bible (I think) states that the Messiah will lead the Jews to the Promised Land and since there’s been no Messiah, that Israel, therefore, is a bogus construct. The Satmars take part in just about every pro- Pali / anti-Israel rally in the NYC metro area
You sure you want to repost articles by Mearsheimer? You haven’t done your DD on him, have you?