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We hit a 52 week high today and already beat the 10 day volume average!
Hopefully ZIVO making an October witches brew that produces us a nice update(s)!
Stack still holding up!!
GTSM 17.60 349
CSTI 17.35 100
NITE 17.00 236
INTL 17.00 100
Bid stack looking good again today!
GTSM 17.60 400
NITE 17.00 236
CSTI 16.90 1,455
Nice Bid line up in the mid 14's
If those bids start nudging higher....ShaBoozey !!!
Gwinner,
Hard to say. ZIVO has had a very nice run that I'm not sure anyone can argue with especially if you take the approach that Weasel and I take. And there are sure to be folks who wanna cash in on that success. So it's anyone's guess what the appetite is for continued buying. Personally I think it would be a good time for another investor presentation.
You know my feeling. Still undervalued. But alot of that is ZIVO's massive failures in communication and quite frankly too freakin' slow to get anything done. That basically is not a recipe for maintaining positive investor sentiment and keeping investors on board and engaged ... all of which leads to better stock price. Monster mistake over the years with ZIVO that I am 100% certain has caused more dilution than necessary over time.
Anyway ... I'm still standing on the sidelines ..... holding tight. But its a guessing game as to when next news is from ZIVO.
Nice bid in mid $14s to start the day. Would surely like to see that move up ... but IMO ZIVO gotta communicate to keep the momentum up.
Amigo Mike
Maybe Mr Buyer shows up for end of week wrap up
So much potential here at these levels imo
Well we have someone stepping on the stock with more size than trades in a day.
A DUH IMO not to do that but whatever.
Will be interesting to see if that gets eaten up or dumps the stock.
Amigo Mike
Well said Tony
No reason this could not be a four bagger from these levels with the right management who act with a sense of urgency and not like a shuffling grandpa. One investor outreach meeting with a small group more than doubled the market cap. Imagine what could happen if these were better organized and happened on a regular basis.
3 year weekly chart.
https://schrts.co/EBxcihqY
If you draw horizontal line across top in 2023 ...... its about $22.50 ..... and back into 2022 it's about $25.
And if ya go back into 2021 you can see the post split $60-70 range ..... LOL
Lotsa upside potential with so few shares outstanding and most of float in the hands of insiders.
Just a matter of ZIVO delivering on licensing to get the ball rolling.
Amigo Mike
Gwinner,
My observation today is MMs seem to be stacking in $17s. MMs displaying awkward offer amounts too. But bidder isn't yet backing away. That's a bit unusual for the stock. But it may signal the potential top of this run. But anything can happen.
Agree on the breakout ... especially on a weekly chart .... the engine is running and I think there is room to roughly the $22 area without news just to get the stock back where it was.
Of course news trumps all. I surely would like to see some news now. And hopefully that doesn't turn into a "sell the news" scenario.
But given Payne's leadership thus far, he doesn't appear to communicate unless he has to and what he does provide is pretty vanilla. To say there have been missed opportunities ...... communication is cheap and easy .... is surely an understatement.
Obviously an agreement on a license here would be a huge deal. And who it might be with .... frankly all well known companies at the top of the animal pharma market. I would surely expect much higher prices if that happened in excess of the $20 area. But that of course remains to be seen.
I like what I see from this move up so far .... but not holding my breathe for more and better communication from ZIVO.
Amigo Mike
It feels like ZIVO has something in the works this time. The stock has been holding up nicely and Yes it seems there is more then the 100 shares posted at the Bid. Typically when we got those run ups the few hundred sell orders would knock it right back down. Mr. buyer(s) have been patient and appears to be taking a position in the 15-17 per share levels. To me it feels like some deal/license/financial event might be leaking out (maybe ever so slightly) and its just enough to keep the stock supported at these levels and even stair step it even higher.
The stock chart now looks like a break out is occurring and we should start getting noticed by others. I still feel another newsy item is on the VERY SHORT term horizon which will give us the next LEG up.
I think since ZIVO has missed some opportunities to keep the news flowing (even trivial news items) that THIS time will be DIFFERENT and only solid substantial news will be released
Welp,
After a fairly quiet morning ..... some lunchtime action ..... most of it at or near the bid at $17. Bidder only showing 100 shares but been hit for much more than that.
Dunno if it was me mentioning the warrants ... but warrants got some action yesterday and someone been trying to pick some off today on the low bid ..... slowly moving bid up throughout the day.
I am more than curious who is buying this stock right now. Granted I think the stock should already be above $20 at minimum on the latest news, but it is certainly interesting to me to see the steady climb in the stock. This is not your typical ZIVO historical action. It certainly would not shock me to see some resistance after we've moved up 100% in the last month. The question is at what level does that occur ?? There's really no chart resistance til above $20 (about $22.50 would be resistance on a weekly chart IMO).
Enjoying my popcorn ! =)
Amigo Mike
After digesting the SEC information on the Armistice financing ..... IMO ..... Armistice only option to "monetize" i.e. ..... make money on these .... is for the stock to be as far north of the exercise price as possible.
IMO, the warrant language for cashless exercise indicates that can only happen at Armistice "request" if the registration statement covering the warrant shares hasn't been declared effective yet. Well I posted the SEC file on it ... and clearly SEC has provided notice of effectiveness.
That leaves Armistice only options to monetize being to exercise at their discretion .... or do nothing.
Exercise would provide ZIVO with $4.2 million for each series of warrants (exercise in full). $8.4 million total. I don't see Armistice doing that and definitely not now. Plus there are ownership restrictions for the exercise. My read is they couldn't exercise all of them at once anyway because the total would exceed ownership limits.
The other option for Armistice is do "nothing". There is a sentence in there that sez >>>>Notwithstanding anything herein to the contrary, on the Termination Date, this Warrant shall be automatically exercised via cashless exercise pursuant to this Section 2(c).<<<< .... which seems to indicate ZIVO would automatically do a cashless exercise on the term date of the warrants. (July 5, 2025). Armistice would only get shares on cashless exercise if the stock was above the exercise price ..... otherwise ... they get nothing. if the stock is above the exercise price, it depends on what the VWAP is going into the cashless formula to determine how many shares Armistice would get. If the stock price is close to exercise price, they get fewer shares .... the farther above the exercise price ... the more shares they get.
IMO .... let the march northward continue !
Amigo Mike
And one last note for the evening .... the language in the warrants for the cashless exercise option is interesting to me.
It sez
JMHO,
Hitting this area and the level of warrant coverage is a non event given these shares don't exist at this point ..... and if they were to exist due to exercise, it is no different than an infusion of capital at what amounts to current market pricing.
If I'm Armistace, these warrants have different lifecycles. 1 is 2 years. 1 is 5 years. Roughly covering 250k warrants each. The warrants also have ownership limits and that makes it tougher to exercise them all at one time.
Personally I'd be happy with Armistace providing $4.2 million at the current prices on the 2 year warrants and they hold onto those shares.
And maybe they help run the stock up to about $35ish ... LOL. Double their investment, bring the public warrants into exercise range .... and they could cashless exercise the series B for 125k "freebies" which would amount to a hefty chunk of change profit. For $4.2 million to ZIVO (series A exercise) ..... at $35 .... ~$4.2 million profit on the series A. And roughly almost $4.4 million profit on a cashless exercise of series B. Triple your money. Then ZIVO could look to get exercises on the public warrants for additional cash at $33.
Just dreamin' of course. LOL.
Amigo Mike
Here is prospectus for your reading pleasure
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1101026/000165495423009761/zivo_s3.htm
And here is the Class A Warrant info (this is half of the warrants) 2 year expiry
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1101026/000165495423008880/zivo_ex41.htm
Class B 5 year expiry
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1101026/000165495423008880/zivo_ex42.htm
Amigo Mike
Just to be clear it is not 500K shares unless the warrants are exercised ...... and Armistace pays ZIVO $8.4 million to do the exercise. No different than a PP at that price at the moment.
Like I said I'm pretty sure they have a cashless exercise option but that requires the stock to be higher than exercise price to generate value for the cashless share to be created.
Amigo Mike
If warrants are exercised, doesn’t this provide much needed cash to ZIVO? I’d rather see price paid for warrants at these levels than than the sweetheart insider deals we saw this year.
Well,
1 ... it is warrants .... not shares to sell. Of course and institution like that can play games all they want
2 ..... they don't make money unless price is higher than the warrant exercise price.
3. .... I'm sure there is a cashless exercise as well which depending on "when" exercised ... can greatly reduce the number of potential shares.
So there are a number of variable that we can't know the answer to.
Amigo Mike
Gwinner, there are 500k shares. We will have to do volume we haven't seen since ZIVO was listed. Best case scenario, there's a buyout and those warrants are factored in (ie- taken out) as part of the buyout. BUT, it seems buyout may not be the way they are going based on what others said from that last call...so, who knows.
If we get some nice news to land (hopefully soon) then we should be able to grind out those shares pretty quickly.
We are now at the Armistice warrants level. At the current daily volume pace, it would take 250 days to burn through their supply (assuming it was all buys)... 🤣🤣🤣
ie- something major gotta go down to take them out...as they've clearly shown they are not shy to sell.
Definitely been a buyer ....... and continues to buy.
17.00 x 18.00 =)
Amigo Mike
Looks like we got a buyer accumulating some shares today.
Nice to see the stair-step upwards...!
Maybe some news is getting put together!!!
A couple small buys at $16 this morning to open ..... someone offering some size (relative to the action) at $16 but bid up to $15.50. Basically about 700 (692 displayed) shares remaining at $16 ... or at least that is for now. Gee next offer above that is $18.20 presently.
Fun times !
Amigo Mike
Hey Zhodar,
Good to hear you are still around. And glad to hear that Weasel and I have helped you learn along the way. Hopefully you are not too far in the hole on this one and maybe took advantage of trading opportunities along the way.
Anyway agree with what Weasel said.
The warrants I reference were part of the "uplist buzzcut offering". Are publicly traded under ZIVOW as Weasel noted. Not sure if you are familiar with stock options but they function similarly in that they have an exercise price (Currently $33) and an expiration (May 2026). But to exercise them it is alot more work than options. Anyway, you definitely should have an understanding of what you are doing if you should buy them. That said they can be bought and sold any time just like a stock. So that is an option as well and you do not have to exercise if you don't want to which you would only do if the stock is above $33. Bottomline is today, they have no value other than the value of "time" and are "out of the money" (common stock price is less than exercise price). So I am gambling. To have actual value and be "in the money", the common stock needs to go above $33 before May 2026 to have "real value". Easy example ..... were ZIVO to jump to $35 per share this week ... LOL .... the ZIVO warrants might have a value of $2-3 (common price - exercise price + time value = value). Personally I wouldn't presently have the desire to go through the exercise process and would likely sell them on the open market if that happened.
Also agree with Weasel in that it is very tough to commit new funds to a stock like this that if someone gets itchy, you can lose 30-40% in a blink of an eye, i.e. little to no fluid market for the stock and wide spreads. But to that point I do think again you gotta know what you are getting into if you buy a stock like this. As I've been saying, at this moment in time I see no reason anyone should be selling, but .... everyone has their own agenda and of course we don't have any idea what other investors goals/targets/position sizes/personal situations look like.
This stock has been resilient to say the least since the latest round of test results were announced. Someone is buying it steady IMO. And sellers are absorbed fairly quickly and the downdrafts get bought within a day or so. The key is watching to see if it continues and if there are any changes to that and the sentiment. Afterall sentiment is a big factor in stock prices as well. Did ZIVO deserve to be 48 cents last December ? Probably not. Does it deserve to be $16 now ? IMO yes ... and more ..... but sentiment and what someone is willing to pay at this point is anyone's guess.
We need more news from ZIVO. A plan, an update, no fuffy BS. Just ... what are you doing ? Still amazed no update on the expansion of algae production despite the assertion they have more demand than they can fulfill and or other avenues of potential revenue generation.
Anyway .... yeah I think minimum $20 .... but that's just me. =)
Amigo Mike
Hi Zhodar.
The warrants trade under symbol ZIVOW. However, they work VERY different than equities...so, please make sure you understand them before diving in. Much like the stock itself, they are very illiquid and spreads can be massive. Warrants are the ultimate "leveraged yolo" as there is no guarantee they will ever be in the money and/or worth something...so you must be ok understanding they could expire worthless. But, as Mike states, 'if' they hit...they could be huge.
I personally have not ever entered into the ZIVOW arena.
Yes, the buzzcut from the uplist fiasco (even though I made it out alive given I was small going into it and the stock became the most liquid it has ever been to TRADE it)...is the very reason I had little confidence to re-enter the position I 'typically' would try to hold or swing whilst the stock was trading sideways with no volume for 8 months. I just don't trust the company management.
And while I agree with Mike this time 'should' be different...chasing this thin tape/action is impossible for me to do sans REAL NEWS of execution. With as illiquid as this is currently, you could buy at $15-$16 in the morning and be back down to $10-$11 with a few K share sell that same day. No bueno. Hindsight is 20/20, so of course I/we all should have entered in the sideways action...c'est la vie!
All the best!
Where do you find the warrants to buy?
Side note. I have been reading your guys posts weekly for years, joined in 2017 when it was around ten cents avg if I remember right. You still got one person tuning in
For a new guy learning the ropes, your posts have been valuable enough alone and given me many insights on how to spot bad leadership and communication to investors - mostly from highlighting all the poor choices Zivo has made over the years. Still sore from the up list buzzcut and the free candy watering everything down.
Cheers towards the climb to 20.
Just linking chart here for last 3 years.
https://schrts.co/yYaRwJgC
You can see why I am saying $20 area only gets the stock back to its historical valuation from prior to early 2023 ... prior to the cluster**** test screw up by major animal pharma ..... that was not ZIVO's fault ....... that cost the company more than a year of wasted time.
Coccidiosis is back on track and still think latest test puts an animal pharma in the driver's seat for comprehensive disease mgmt program. $20 is too low with validation by major animal pharma and a license with the understanding that this application can readily be applied to other animals in short order.
Amigo Mike
Yeah,
Certainly understand. I have only sold enough of the stock position to cover the cost of stock and warrants and take some money out to ride free and then "let it ride". That sell was also posted here. And follows what you and I have been doing here for years.
Dunno if you dabbled in the warrants but I was intrigued by the leverage possible there so I scooped some of public warrants end of last year as well. Mentioned them a couple times. So I have some added leverage with those. But strike on those is $33. What if we get some license news with major animal pharma ?? What is the stock worth eh ? I think those warrants would pay off bigtime. Ya know I think it is worth minimum $20 now ... without license ..... with license for coccidiosis for broiler chickens ..... I think it's worth at least double that.
Need more news from ZIVO.
Amigo Mike
We have been, but I have been accused of such in the past.
Crazy that our avg cost is almost identical. lolol
Unfortunately, my size was sold on the rips higher in Jan/Feb...and the sideways, no volume action the rest of the year gave me zero opportunity to re-enter. Oh well.
So who gonna "flinch" into the close ......
..... personally I think a close above $15 for the week might open the door for a move to that $20 level I've been talking about.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Amigo Mike
LOL,
Well now I feel like I need to "prove it" as well ... LOL ..... although I think you and I have been as transparent as possible regarding what we are doing with this stock.
Mine is almost exactly same as yours as I had a leftover swing that I bought too early but most of that is .60 and .62 cents basis as posted here in early December last year.
Amigo Mike
haha...yes, our positions are well beyond swings at this point. Unfortunately, mine is more of a significantly green placeholder (currently +944% as of this post 😂) rather than an actual typical position size... **sad trombone**
EDIT: I guess I better add the picture to support that comment above before I start getting accused of being full of it... 🤪
Oh no question about that Weasel.
A more orderly and reliable market is key to many things ...... this very low volume action doesn't lend itself at all to trading. I don't think I could pull off any swing trading on this outside of trying to play junior MM and capture spreads. Not worth it and not enough volume to do it.
I actually don't think I should be calling my last buys a swing trade any more. Gee it's been 10 months now. Still holding strong.
Amigo Mike
I liked it better when this was more liquid...so you could actually attempt logical trades that didn't feel like a full-blown gamble. 😒😒😒
Hello Sweet 16!!
Haven't seen your pretty face in awhile!
Nice movement today!
And ..... at this moment in time ..... the beat goes on for ZIVO. Buy interest at the close yesterday and more buy interest today.
Granted we are not talking huge numbers but given the size of the float .... not surprising. Of course we'll prolly have that 3:59 on Friday seller ... LOL ...... but still melting northward and has ticked up to $15.50. $14 bid and more bid support underneath the hood.
Amigo Mike
LOL,
Not much ..... it is melting the wrong way though .... LOL.
Amigo Mike
What's there to look at on this price action Mike? Watching wet paint dry has more movement than this... 🤣🤣🤣
To start the morning .... L2 looking super thin on both sides of the ledger thus far. Probably about as thin as I've seen it after the 300 shares action this morning.
Love the $13x$15.50
I guess we don't have many folks looking at this board any more. I know there used to be quite a few but I suppose most have moved on over the years. Oh well. Not shocking ... and I think many have left IHub as a result of some of their recent changes. No surprise there either.
Amigo Mike
Well,
Now we get that 1/2 point rate cut from the Federal Reserve. Very good for small caps and risk assets. ZIVO certainly in that category.
We've had a couple nibbles at $14 so far today. About everything else in between the bid and ask. That bidder for 5000 shares is still sitting there under the market at $9.51. Surely would be nice to get some added positive exposure. Of course I'm sure the major animal pharmas here don't want too much attention on it ..... =)
Let's continue the melt up.
Amigo Mike
Gwinner,
Right about now most corporations should be wrapping up budget and planning for next year. Looking forward to a major animal pharma asking ZIVO to the dance. Unfortunately my experience with these things is they never happen fast.
We shall see how it plays.
And looks like a couple MMs lined up at $14. Only 800 shares displayed. Wondering if those will be cleaned out and the melting northward resumes.
$30. License IMO given market size for broiler chickens and multiple vertical options for coccidiosis alone (turkey, swine) ... $30 is too low given the validation ..... and the latitude that first license should bring.
I have my tickets to the show. Just wondering when it gets on the road. =)
Amigo Mike
Amigo, I suspect we get a follow-thru news item soon. They have so such to tell and they need to tell it louder so others hear (ie better PR'ing of the news)
IMO 30's will be here soon once they name a suitor...
ZIVO is holding up nicely after latest test result news. Even melting slightly higher. Been a few buyers recently. LOL wouldnt mind melting to the $15 level. Volume is virtually nonexistent still but not unusual for a float that is less than 1 million shares.
I'm not sure there is a good reason to sell here unless you absolutely have to or are happy with whatever gains you may have currently. I would think most might still be underwater unless you subscribe to the Amigo/Weasel method of extracting profits from this name over the years.
You all know IMO this stock should be $20 with the latest news. But not enough buying to get to that level yet. $20 just gets the company back to near historical valuation but IMO latest test result puts an animal pharma in the driver's seat for industry first comprehensive coccidiosis mgmt treatment program inclusive of non antibiotic enhancement and full non antibiotic option.
Who is it going to be to pony up for a license eh ?
I am curious but how many of you are still out there or at least have contact with this board ? I know there are some lurkers that don't post or that post once in a blue moon. Curious if there are any new thoughts of late ?
Amigo Mike
Twas back to a relatively sleepy day. Seller I think may have been taken or pulled back. The offer very thin for what was being displayed most of the day.
Probably too much to ask ...... but we need some more positive news !!!
Amigo Mike
Looks like our seller has returned .... stepping on $12 again with some size. Not the smartest thing to do if you ask me but to each his own. Presently 1500 being offered at 11.98 .... so we'll see if buyer step in to take it ..... or that results in a cap and taken down.
Amigo Mike
No more excuses. Get a deal done and revenues from licensing and not share sales. Unfortunately, insiders on the board control most shares and prefer to buy more using private placement.
Looks to me like someone picked up 2000 shares at ~$12 today.
The mid $9s were and have been still showing at least 6000 shares bid.
So seemingly there is some support there.
Bottomline we all know we need more news from ZIVO. I don't think anyone will complain if the stock hangs on around $12 or better after the latest round of testing while we are waiting. It would be a 50% uptick ..... even though IMO ..... it is still not high enough for where I think the valuation should be.
Guessing on how long it would take to negotiate a license is very difficult. Alot goes into it and of course depends on who's playing and how bad they want it. I don't really think ZIVO is in a position to make much in the way of demands in a license situation as it relates to the money part of it. Royalties are likely to be fairly standard but things like upfront money and milestones ..... I hope we get to see it. =)
Amigo Mike
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Nutraceutical World Article October 2010: www.nutraceuticalsworld.com/contents/view/29644
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