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Spiking up: Means that the stock has moved up from the closing price and the opening bell, it has Gapped up. Just means if you bought the day before you should be fine! You should be able to make a little profit.
RE: The Gap Up, I always want to know if the gap up was from a PR, or just hype? Usually if it is hype alone the stock will plunge back to before gap levels or below. I do not buy mostly after a gap.
My personal trading idea is simple: "I am buying when they are crying and I am selling when they are yelling"
Best of luck to you in all that you invest in.
input please...what does it mean when a stock spikes above and below price after a gap up
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/dcbr/chart
Depends on the MM for sure. They are all different and have thier own agendas. It is hard to answer for ONE MM, when talking about several of them. As everything else in the world, there are good ones, and not so good ones! Have a wonderful day, and the best of luck to you in all your future trades.
Occasionally I see someone post a L2 image showing the MM involved with a particular stock. Usually the MM have different numbers for the ask and bid.
Now when I log on to eTrade and see the ask and bid prices, how are these decided?
TIA
RJ
machcobra - would make another good Assist.
Delete this
Play the NYSE, alot less of a DROP...
I have confirmed that trading pikies sux. My next move is to start looking above .50 and a larger volume requirement. maybe with more liquidity and money trading each day they will be more predictable.
Any new rules that you have learned from trading lately?
Very nice info MLR...thanks for sharing! That yes that the best way to look at it! GL to you, in all that you invest in!
Post R/S do's and don'ts: A_little_help!
Don't--spew hatred on the board
Do-----email the ceo, see if he communicates
Don't--blame others for your investment
Do-----re-establish your entry/exit points/expectations
Don't--condeme anyone. they may still know things
Do-----dd, research, talk.
Don't--make rash decisions
Do-----consider your commitment
Don't--close doors
Do-----make a decision that is right for YOU.
This is my first RS that I had any real money in. So I am learning as I go. But the above is what I have learned so far. GL!
it is interesting for sure...once again ANYTHING can happen, here in the pinkies!
There should be a new SEC designation if he has any control of a shell. Something like PDVP.OS for Oh Sh*t.
ASStrom should be a banned name from penny stock investors!
Another good tip... If anyone named Astrom has anything to do with the company, run away!
I just remembered a good tip today after I failed it. Don't chase a stock. It is OK if you catch it on a run, you may have to meet the uptick. But if you keep moving your bid, take a minute to realize what % you are now buying it over the day or weekly high.
I bought one today at the HOD which occurred about 9:30. I worked for it hard. Then it went down. Now I will have to hold it for at least a couple of weeks to catch the next wave. Argh!
And, I actually know better, that's what pisses me off.
The travel is great makes for a long week though. I guess the best part is I can't keep up with SMMW. Maybe I'll fly home spme day and it will be worth more than toilet paper.
Talking about SMMW, you have not missed anything. But I have my divvy now, and alot of others do also. E-Turd and Scottstrade have not delivered it all yet, but since ONE brokerage firm has them, I am certain the remaining ones will distribute when they want too!
As far as vacation it was GREAT, but not long enough. It never is. South Padre was great and San Antonio was fun on the riverwalk and the Alamo.
I hope that work is treating you well. And you are enjoying the traveling part of the job? Talk later I am sure! Be safe...
Nothing so far new with SMMW. Just waiting to see what happens. I am glad the new job is working out well for you, and that you are enjoying it. I am sure you do not mind all the hard work! But the traveling, I would not care for all that much. Take care! And I will talk to you later...and have a great weekend!
Rueters offers a great stock screener that even looks at the pinkies. Not free, but affordable. I know I bought a lot of stocks with it. Problem is, most of them lost money. However, I really liked the options that it had on it for building the select list.
Find some folks you can ACTUALLY rely on...NOT the pump and DUMPERS!! RJ
I am with you, looking forward to an answer to that question also. I guess we will see how it all works out for SMMW...RJ
What happens to a publicly traded company (pinksheet) when its corporate charter has been revoked by its home state?
Does it continue to trade?
If there was a way to PREDICT with about 90-100% accuarcy. You can bet I would NOT spend hours upon hours here on this chat board talking about it. I have not figured it out. And whoever HAS figured it out...is NOT telling me??
Ok now back to reality...all my friends are here on i-hub!! So I guess I will stay here!! LOL...RJ
Apparently I misconveyed my question. I understand you can't really know where the PPS is going. If anyone knew that several of us would be rich.
I was looking for something one can use to their own price trace into the future based on an educated guess/speculation, and get the derived SMAs. Understandably it doesn't mean a whole lot other than to technical investors and chartists.
Maybe I should have asked the question on the 102 board. lol
Thanks for the reply.
There is no way to really forecast any PPS. The best way to invest is to (IMHO) read the boards & paper trade the people who post the most & see how good they do. Then start trading behind them. GLTY
Does anyone know of any web site or computer program where you can forecast the PPS to one's liking and get where the SMAs will fall? A website would be the best if you know of one.
If this is not the best way to do it please suggest otherwise.
TIA
Tubby Smith to Minn...very nice!! RJ
How about your coach? he seems pretty capable. ha ha
We need the equivalent of a bobbie knight
I know what you mean...any referals? RJ
No word. I just wish we could find a star motivator.
any news yet on your coach staying...or going? From the looks of it..you have him for another year or so...RJ
All things can change in the moment in the Pinkies. All appears doom and gloom...and then all the sudden...BOOM!!
We are funny and fickle...we LOVE the CEO's for Good...and HATE the CEO's during the hard times!! RJ
Vision...you heard any good rumors about this and that? I know my rumor mill has been broken down for a LONG while now. Just holding and HOPING!! Not much else to do with NO BID...
I hope that all is going great for you! RJ
Hey buddy, things are pretty great. Work has been tolerable, but the weather is looking up and we have been enjoying being able to play outside with the kids after work and school.
SMMW is very frustrating, yet looking very exciting. If we can believe half of what we read, then things should be taking a turn for the better. I have seen 4 or 5 of the old timers (like you, ha) post that they think the next couple of weeks should be very favorable. I hope that's true. It's kind of dull to plan over and over what to do when the money rolls in, I am ready to actually experience it.
It's too bad that we had to play Ole Miss after that embarassment at State. We were going to kick someone's tail, you guys just happened to be next. Isn't the west a big pile of losers? The best team at 6 and 6! ha ha, it sure makes it pretty exciting because the leaders change weekly.
Hope you and the wife are doing well. Take care.
MLR, how are things going your way? I hope well. I know it has been a busy week for myself around the office. It seems with the increase in volume, and attention that SMMW is recieving lately. Maybe something will come out of our CEO's travels? I know alot of folks are talking Michigan and oc-48. Here's to hoping there is more to this...than just chatter?? RJ
PS...as far as Saturday, your boys took care of my Rebels hands down. Congrats on that win, I left VERY early in the second half, because I knew very fast...the game was over!! I hope that we have another chance to play one another in the SEC Tourney coming up!!
That would be great...I do NOT like just being SPLIT with Arkansas...home and home!!
I want to have a WINNING record against them!!
That is probably a very sane and reasonable outlook. Expectations have led to disappointment in the past. I try not to watch it, but I just can't help it. It's kind of like a car wreck where you hope no one was hurt, but you stand by the ambulance just in case.
Good Morning MLR, about SMMW. I expect nothing. And in return MAYBE, we will all be suprised. One thing about it. Dan is up to something? What I have no clue. He has recieved PROBABLY, alot of cash, and restricted stock. I would hope that he would atleast get a Break-Even, amount for his investment, in all the companies that he has sold off in recent weeks. As far as expectations, I do NOT expect anything, because it only leads to expectations, and to-date, Dan has ONLY done one thing...disappoint!!
That IMO, is the true feelings for everyone invested in this stock. I am continuing to purchase Iraqi Dinars, and just hanging low. Nothing to talk about, because there have been rumors about Summus for over two years now. And NOTHING has came out of them. So why would this one be different? I hope FINALLY, I am wrong...but I do not expect anything from the "Meetings!!" This attitude comes with HUGE disappointment in Dan and all others mgmt...RJ
OT: MLR, whats really sad is the only time we get volume is when people really start pokin aorund to find the truth about smmw. As if this pathetic volume and lack of promises would be a great substitute.
Hey buddy, nice to hear from you. Your basketball team played lights out in the first half! Very impressive. The hogs just had too little too late.
I can't blame Malzahn for leaving. He will have a better future playing for a real coach.
Take care!
Hey MLR and others. I hope that all is going great. I am very busy with work right now. And doing that 8:00-5:00 thing as always!! As far as my life it is going great!! I hope the same for you and your family!!
PS...nice game this weekend...74, 72 REBS!!
way to go REBS!! Now we are 10 out of 11 in the Tad Pad vs. your Piggies, for the last 11 years...VERY NICE record!!
And here is MORE music to my ear...Nutt is an IDIOT for letting this one slip through...
After only one season at Arkansas, offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn will leave the program for Tulsa.
"Gus and I go way back with the spread offense and no-huddle," Tulsa coach Todd Graham said Monday. "I said to Gus, 'You need to come on board here.'"
Malzahn, who made a successful transition from Springdale (Ark.) High School to the Razorbacks, helping the team to a 10-4 record, will join Graham's staff as co-offensive coordinator.
Former West Virginia tight ends coach Herb Hand will serve in the role of co-offensive coordinator.
Malzahn arrived at Arkansas with much fanfare, and brought with him freshman quarterback Mitch Mustain, considered by some the nation's top player, and three other Springdale players. Some speculated there was a connection between Malzahn's hiring and the commitments.
But one of those players, wide receiver Damian Williams, transferred to USC after this season, displeased that Malzahn's no-huddle, spread attack was never unveiled.
"We are very appreciative of the many contributions Gus made to our staff and to our program during his tenure with the Razorbacks," Arkansas head coach Houston Nutt said. "I wish him nothing but the best both personally and professionally as he takes on his new role."
Several parents of the Springdale freshmen went to athletic director Frank Broyles to complain. Mustain's mother even put out a statement suggesting Nutt should have control of the program.
Now, there will be speculation about Mustain's future. The quarterback lost his starting position to Casey Dick at the end of the season. And Tulsa is only 1½ hours from the town of Springdale.
Mustain's mother, Beck Campbell, said Monday that she's not sure what her son will do.
"This breaks my heart," Campbell said. "We're going to have to sit down and talk about it. Classes start tomorrow and I don't know what he'll do."
Campbell said her son will not necessarily follow Malzahn to Tulsa, if he opts to transfer.
"He and Gus are not tied at the hip," Campbell said. "But he knows what he's capable of and what his vision for offensive football at Arkansas was. Now you'll have to wonder if that will go by the wayside."
After a 10-1 start, Arkansas lost the last three games of its season, including a 17-14 defeat at the hands of Wisconsin in the Capital One Bowl.
Six members from Graham's staff at Rice will follow him to Tulsa. Assistants Dean Jackson, Danny Phillips, Jason Jones, Jess Loepp, Bo Graham and strength and conditioning coordinator Yancy McKnight will help coach the Golden Hurricanes. Jackson is the only offensive coach coming from the Owls' staff.
When you put it like that, it is kind of depressing.
Posted by: MLR_Lite
In reply to: fugeguy who wrote msg# 38639 Date:1/11/2007 5:13:27 PM
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That's a pretty scary prediction. How does one protect his shares in a potentially very shorted stock?
In order for there to be concern RE shorted shares and shorts are concerned, dan and assoc. must do something, of which they never have done; provide everything ie Audit, divi, bb, a/s reduction.
Until then, forget about it, there wont be a squeeze on our prayers.
Best of luck to us.
HUSTLA
fairly sound perspective............
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2007/01/06/the-most-important-investing-lesson-of-all.aspx?sou....
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Three Ways We Can Beat Mr. Market
Wednesday January 3, 6:00 am ET
By Paul A. Larson
A subscriber to StockInvestor recently asked me how exactly I plan on managing the Tortoise and Hare to continue to beat the market. I replied that I planned to continue focusing on companies with wide economic moats that will compound in value over time, and then only buy those companies if they trade at significant enough discounts to our estimates of intrinsic value to provide a margin of safety. It's a simple strategy that has served us well. Yet there are a few other ways we can manage our portfolios to maximize returns:
Take Advantage of the Market's Inertia
Newton's first law of motion essentially states that an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by another force. As applied to stocks, it is my experience that equities also carry momentum, for a little while at least.
No, I don't plan on suddenly switching gears to play the "greater fool" game, buying the market's hottest stocks at high valuations and hoping to sell even higher. Quite the opposite. My plan is to take advantage of this momentum when it causes stocks to not reflect the intrinsic value of the underlying businesses they represent.
Usually a stock starts to fall when a company announces some bad news. But then investors start to get concerned about their paper losses, worrying that they perhaps missed something, and the selling continues. This additional selling begets more selling, with everyone fearful they are about to lose big. Momentum and fear have taken over, and the stock price often disconnects from the fundamentals.
When Mr. Market goes into a panic like this, there are often bargains to be found. Although it may not have been a screaming panic, consider Wrigley (NYSE:WWY - News). Sure, the company hit a speed bump with its acquisition of some of Kraft's (NYSE:KFT - News) old brands, but was a few pennies in lost (or merely delayed) earnings per share really worth the stock falling by more than $10 per share in 2006? I think not.
I will also look to take advantage of inertia on the upside. When a stock I own starts to rise merely because it has recently risen and then trades well above our estimate of its intrinsic worth, that is when I will consider selling. (Early year 2000, anyone?) One might say I will attempt to take Warren Buffett's advice and be greedy when others are fearful, and fearful when others are greedy.
Inertia not only applies to things in motion, it also applies to things that are stationary. As Newton's law tells us, an object not in motion will remain not in motion, unless acted upon by another force. But in this case, Newton's first law is not always obeyed by Mr. Market, and the only force that matters in the long run is cash flow. Sometimes, the fundamental forces of an improving competitive position and growing profits apply a strong force on a stock, yet the stock does not move. This is a time to buy.
I've described this scenario before as a "pressure-cooker" situation, and at the moment, there appear to be many opportunities of this type. Take Berkshire Hathaway (brk.b.B) and Wal-Mart (NYSE:WMT - News), both of which we currently own in the Tortoise Portfolio. These companies have steadily improved their core businesses and grown their profits in the past couple of years, yet their stocks have a lot of stationary inertia and have not gone much of anywhere in years; Berkshire Hathaway has only recently shown signs of life. In my view, it is only a matter of time before the forces created by the cash flow will be felt and these stocks will rise even further.
Maintain a Long-Term Focus
The stock market today is dominated by a lot of participants who are extremely motivated by and receive incentives based upon their short-term performance. Highly paid hedge fund managers need to show stout monthly or quarterly results, lest their investors put their money elsewhere. Much the same goes for mutual funds. Money generally flows freely into the "hot" funds and away from those that are struggling, even if those struggles are short term in nature only. Moreover, Wall Street analysts largely get scored (and paid) on how well they predict quarterly results, and rarely do they project out more than a year or two.
With all this focus on short-term results, those of us with a long-term focus can take advantage. We don't need to be concerned about what the dollar-rupee spread in India is going to do to Coca-Cola's (NYSE:KO - News) results next quarter, or what the yield curve will do to J.P. Morgan (NYSE:JPM - News) for the rest of the year. In the bigger picture, these types of things tend to even out, and they really do not matter. Being a long-term investor gives us the luxury of focusing on what's really important--how a company's competitive position will allow it to generate cash over the next five, 10, or even 50 years. In other words, we can afford to be penny foolish if we are dollar wise.
Think of it this way--if we were assigned the task of measuring the volume of water in a lake, we would not stand on the shore and worry only about the height and timing of the waves. This is the equivalent of what many market participants do. Rather, we would carefully measure an average depth over a wider space and a longer time. Of course, we should not be afraid to take advantage of the disparity often caused by Mr. Market's over-reaction to the waves' peaks and troughs that inevitably will occur. (See my earlier comments about inertia.)
Realize Not All Earnings Are Created Equal
A dollar is arguably the world's most fungible commodity, freely flowing and easily spent around the world. But I'm here to tell you that if we are to beat the market, we have to realize that not all the cash flows being generated by companies today are created equal. In a nutshell, we should value those businesses that are going to steadily generate cash far into the future over those businesses that are merely "one-hit wonders." A company that creates a dollar in profit today and will create a little more than a dollar in profit tomorrow is worth much more than a company where tomorrow's dollar is in jeopardy.
Back in the mid-1990s, I was invested in a company called Iomega (NYSE:IOM - News), which created removable Zip disk drives for computers. The Zip drive was a truly revolutionary product that, at the time, was a significant improvement over the floppy disk drives that had been the primary means of storing and transferring data. What's more, it was a classic "razor and blades" business. Sell the razor (the drive) once, and sales of blades (the highly profitable removable discs) effortlessly followed. I spotted the attractiveness of this product early and made some big returns investing in the stock before the profits became evident to the world.
But it was not more than a year or two before competing products and technologies caught up, and Zip was no longer competitive on a price/performance standpoint. The relevance of Zip quickly scaled a wall and then just as quickly fell off a cliff. When was the last time you've seen a Zip drive (that is, if you've ever seen one!)? Iomega had no real follow-up to its hit, so the profits it earned from Zip were purely a flash in the pan. I was fortunate enough to realize the lack of a second act and sold not too far from the top (against the strong opinion of my colleagues at my former firm), but I wish I would have realized this even sooner.
In Morningstar parlance, Iomega had no economic moat, and its profits were not durable over the long term. You can make money owning no-moat firms, as I did with Iomega, but this is often a very dangerous game to play. Had I been just a bit slower in selling Iomega, I could have lost all my profits, and then some. This experience with Iomega etched in my brain the importance of the sustainability of cash flows. So when I own Coke, Wrigley, Berkshire, and every other company in the portfolios, I can rest assured that the cash flows these businesses will produce will have a strong degree of protection from competition and persist far into the future.
Wrapping Up
After losing money in the South Sea Company, the largest financial bubble of his time, Newton said, "I can calculate the movement of stars, but not the madness of men." To be successful in the market, there is no need to figure out exactly when the market will fall (or rise); all you need to do is be able to recognize the extremes and keep your head when everyone else is losing theirs.
An expanded version of this article appeared in the July 2006 issue of Morningstar StockInvestor. A version of the article also appeared on Morningstar.com on Oct. 11, 2006.
Paul A. Larson has a position in the following securities mentioned above: BRK.B JPM KO WMT WWY
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thanks Green monster for sharing...it is appreciated!! RJ
too many shares, look at the market cap based on current price. Id say a robust 1-10K reverse split will happen soon. That will ruin any stock. It will need a class of new investors.
It's an easy bagger at .0002. It can only go higher.
waiting for the carrier news with you..when/IF that occurs, we will be glad to be IN!! RJ
BKMP looking very nice for sure....that is one of my buy and HOLDs for 2007...RJ
The bagholders don't know how to trade. The current price is at .0002 and will easily go way up when carrier news comes. I know how you feel but it still runs.
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