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" do you have any input on it"
I'm afraid I don't.
I really don't do much trading or DD on potential stocks until late in the year- sometime in the Fall when it's less busy and I have more time, we have transferred to our Winter home for the season in Florida, and the market is somewhat more stable... Until then, I rely on you folks for tips .
MTTR 15.25 3D printing stock was mentioned yesterday on CNBC half time report, do you have any input on it...3D print stocks are hot now and will be in future imo.
$RECAF- OUCH! $9.70 two weeks ago and then fell off a cliff. Don't know why yet it's still getting chatted up. I don't own but I will continue to follow for &hits and giggles...
I really thought Zack's might've got this one right...
meebee they eventually still will?
$STRPF $2.60 as of 8/11/21 --email blast date 6/21/21 = $2.95
(NOT working out for Zacks at the moment)
lol ! couldnt help myself ! carry on.......
Only through the phone... no wifi. But your point is still valid.
RMIL I'm sure I was in that one. I will look it up when I get back home from camping.
ya know technically speaking, your not officially camping if your playing on an internet connection.
its been good from the start just a lot of ups and downs.
Geez, I have so much useless information banging around in my head.
RMIL
Look it up on SI, 20-25 years ago was the short squeeze of the century, everyone advised to call in their certs.
I never played it, but it was a lesson in not screwing around with the MMs or shorts or whoever.
Got halted and never traded again.
Well, if I can't offer up a stock pick, the least I can do is offer up entertainment....
I'm liking this one long term more and more every day.
on a better note i see atom is having a good day.
Lmao, I've seen that or something similar before- still funny. That accr dude, however, is really messed up...
Ain't that sumpin?
lol !!! little johnny had purpose though !!
I don't know what's what, but the posts seem to be by a very disturbed individual.
The posts sort of remind me of this:
Little Johnny's Christmas Letter
Dear Santa,
You must be surprised that I'm writing to you today, the 26th of December. Well, I would very much like to clear up certain things that have occurred since the beginning of the month, when, filled with illusion, I wrote you my letter. I asked for a bicycle, an electric train set, a pair of roller blades, and a football uniform.
I destroyed my brain studying the whole year. Not only was I the first in my class, but I had the best grades in the whole school. I'm not going to lie to you, there was no one in my entire neighborhood that behaved better than me, with my parents, my brothers, my friends, and with my neighbors. I would go on errands, and even help the elderly cross the street. There was virtually nothing within reach that I would not do for humanity.
What balls do you have leaving me a fucking yo-yo, a stupid whistle and a pair of socks. What the fuck were you thinking, you fat son of a bitch, that you've taken me for a sucker the whole fucking year to come out with some shit like this under the tree. As if you hadn't fucked me enough, you gave that little faggot across the street so many toys that he can't even walk into his house.
Please don't let me see you trying to fit your big fat ass down my chimney next year. I'll fuck you up. I'll throw rocks at those stupid reindeer and scare them away so you'll have to walk back to the fucking North Pole, just like what I have to do now since you didn't get me that fucking bike. Fuck you, Santa. Next year you'll find out how bad I can be, you fat son-of-a-bitch!
Sincerely,
Little Johnny
we all have our moments of frustration. i think we should hear from another poolside disaster.....
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=165207528
just an update incase you missed it, and i did not send an invitation. LOL !!!
"My problem with it is that my potential loss is infinity."
Precisely why I have never shorted a stock myself and why most brokers (IF they allow it) require such a high margin balance in your account. If I want to go "short" on a position, I will buy a Put, so my downside is at least limited... which I have done many times.
"Now, since you have yet to buy it back, because you can't, no taxes to pay. You have the cash and no worries."
Yeah, the tax man will still get his cut. Remember, you were paid in advance on the trade. You SOLD stock you didn't and don't own ("naked"). What you are doing now is leveraging for time- waiting to buy it back lower. Your broker will document your trade (remember, you were paid X amount of $$ because you SOLD the stock- [without collateral if it was a "naked" position, or, even if you had shares "covered"], those shares are worthless in your scenario of Chap 7. Regardless, you will show a "Gain" on your brokerage statement and, at least here in the States, that gets reported to the IRS.
I've rarely shorted stocks, but I understand the concept. My problem with it is that my potential loss is infinity.
The big win for someone that shorts something is the total collapse. You short a stock at 10 bucks figuring they have real problems, they stock tanks, they file ch7, stock becomes worthless, couldn't buy or sell if you wanted to.
SO, you sold at 10 bucks and you basically have 10 bucks profit in the bank.
Now, since you have yet to buy it back, because you can't, no taxes to pay. You have the cash and no worries.
Sorry, I've probably made things more confusing than they were....
don't you like how accessible they make pertinent information available to the public. goes right back to that brain hurting article you initially posted on shorting.
they dont want joe retail to figure out a strategy !
"...clarity is an illusion..."
Very much so- I got on to FINRA's website and you can download every day's "short" action by ticker in a "text" file 17 miles long. However, you have to download the files individually by exchange(s)... 😖
For instance;
Date|Symbol|Short Volume|Total Volume|Market Center
20210625|ATOM|10062|13124|Z
This is an entry for just one exchange (Nasdaq) on June 25, 2021
That is just one entry of bundles and this is only representative of "Lit" exchanges. To find dark pool/off-site ECN trades, you can download an even bigger txt.file that lists all the trades that day (on any exchange) by time. Too bad we can't download it as an xls.file so we could sort. Bottom line is that the deck is stacked against Joe Retail and nothing will come easy, but then again, what's new?
yes i totally agree. i'm just saying there capable of pulling off whatever they want as they see fit. how else you gonna make 10billion for the year and then go to court, not plea guilty, or not guilty, and ask how much is the penalty, and whatevers left is the actual profit for the year.
to further expand on your line of thinking..........
provide some context and clarity i know thats out of context of the entire sentence but its what spurred on the below part, sorry !!!
context yes, clarity is an illusion. actions speak louder than words. as long as you look at it from a 360 degree perspective everything they do can be either beneficial or catastrophic, or somewhere in between. just remember joe retails money is not in there best interest till it gets in there pocket !!!!
"my understanding of the short market is the opposite of the long market. it works both ways,..."
Yeah that used to be my conventional thinking as well. From my "Joe retail" perspective, I would still stand by that conventional wisdom. However, I think what that article did for me was to provide some context and clarity as to the utilization of "short sales" in both theory and practicality (from the trading desk perspective).
my understanding of the short market is the opposite of the long market. it works both ways, but only the real players can benefit from it because they have the capital to sway it in that direction. joe retail has all the cards if he knew how to band together and become a unity, but thats what they play on. case in point, gme-amc joe retail is sticking it to them and they finally realize there fucked. they will make sure they dont run this up 50-200 points a day. but on the other hand theres tons of money being made on the swings in the channel its going through. plus there in there covering and making sure it doesnt bury them again. this will go on till its covered or they cry to some empowered entity that will come up with some bs intervention that will squash it forever. we just wont ever get informed to it the way they actually do settle it.
yeah i'm conspirital minded, but i get that from actual experience. i sure wasnt born that way !!!
look at it this way, it is a corrupt game we're playing in, and they will eat there own. remember back when leman brothers went under in like 3 days after being ligit for what...125 years ? that was all because they had a physical holding in silver that either goldman or jpmorgan wanted and they didnt give it up. also happened to buffet but he gave up the physical because he didnt want to deal with an onslaught.
everything i ever learned about the stock market was 101. then when i realized the tec boom was the equivalent of the roaring twenties market i knew it was a very larcenic enviorment and everything i learned was bs.
i remember sitting there listening to some talking head babbling about the justice of this company currently trading at 400 x earnings, and on and on.........and here i'm trying to figure out how 400 x zero earnings gets you anything !!! the shear audacity !!!!
It IS tough to wrap your (my) head around. I was more struck by how prevalent and how little I really understood the selling short concept has turned out to be. I'm not sure I buy everything that was brought out but it has made me rethink my original thinking...
that actually hurt my head to read. but yeah, the game is rigged. sec is worried joe retail may be smart enough to come up with an effective and combative strategy to circumvent there bullshit, oh this is rich !!!
VERY interesting insight to Selling Short in the market & what it means:
SHORT IS LONG Using dark pool short sales as a proxy for buying activity
We're going to do three things in this paper.First, we're going to tell you why a short sale in a U.S. exchange-traded stock is actually a meaningful indicator of buying activity. Then we're going to demonstrate this using only data that is freely available. Finally, we're going to invite readers to replicate our results (and extrapolate) using the same data, to which we will provide a URL.
Why Short Is Long
A short sale is the sale of a security that the seller does not own. Traditionally, short sales are associated with speculation?traders betting that a stock will go down.But according to the SEC, trades marked with the seller “short” comprise about 49% of equity share volume.* In other words, about half of all selling volume in the market is short selling. Unless we actually believe that half of market volume is speculative short selling, this demands an explanation.To understand, you need to know how market-makers (MMs) do business. Traditionally, market-makers make their money by “quoting a spread.” This means placing a bid at, say, $19.95, and an offer at $20.00. Since the MMs have no position in the stock, the offer at $20.00 is necessarily entered as a short sale?they don't own it, so they can't actually sell it.†Now imagine the common scenario where one investor sells to the MM at $19.95 and another buys from the MM at $20.00. Knowing that MMs place short sales at the offer, we know that only one of these trades will be reported as “short”?the one where the investor is buying stock at $20.00. This is why MMs are exempt from short-selling restrictions.
Short is Long.
This means that whenever a market-maker fills an investor's buy order, the MM is facilitating the trade by shorting shares. Thus, short volume is actually representative of investor buying volume, and non-short volume is representative of investor selling volume. It's no coincidence that short volume is predictably half of total volume?short sales represent the buying half of the market, and long (non-short) sales represent the selling half.Maybe you don't find this convincing. What about those speculative short sellers? Don't they throw the number off? (No. That volume is tiny.) What about passive sell orders from traders who aren't market-makers? Wouldn't their sales show up as not short? (Yes. But they'll still be selling to a MM, so we would correctly interpret them as sales.) The U.S. equities market is infamous for its complexity?how can we make such sweeping assertions?Granted, it does seem that the market is too multifaceted, and opaque, for short volume to simply equate to investor buying volume, but there's a practical reason that today's market is more transparent than you might imagine. In a word, rebates. Here's the story.Back in 1997, when the U.S. market's tightest spread was 12.5 cents,* the Island ECN (an off-exchange trading venue for NASDAQ stocks) started doing something different: They paid market-makers to do what market-makers already do?quote a spread. Whenever a trader “took” the liquidity that the MM posted at the bid or offer, that trader would pay a small fee, and most of that fee would be given, as a “rebate,” to the MM.As a result, Island attracted all kinds of MMs, ending up with tighter spreads, and more depth, than their competitors. Naturally, customers liked this, and within two years, Island had gone from 3% to 13% market share of NASDAQ volume. The idea caught on and other exchanges, public and private, started using the “maker-taker” model and offering rebates. So spreads tightened everywhere.By 2005, when the SEC's Regulation NMS officially made sub-penny pricing a reality, nearly everyone had adopted the maker-taker model. By then, MMs made more money by collecting rebates than their traditional business of quoting spreads. This was a new environment. There were tiny margins, and no margin for error?only the very fastest MMs would get that rebate.High-frequency trading (HFT) is primarily the story of the mad scramble for these rebates. If you submit an order to buy 100 shares of XYZ at the market,you will buy those shares from an HFT market-maker. If you later submit a passive limit order to sell 100 shares of XYZ at the offer, you will sell those shares to an HFT market-maker (once someone buys 100 shares from him at a higher price elsewhere). Call it “frontrunning” if you like, but competition by MMs to garner the rebate has actually been a boon for the average investor.†http://sqzme.coMarch 20182research@sqzme.co* Later in 1997, the tightest spread actually changed from ? to ?/16, or from $0.125 to$0.0625.† While we don't deny the existence of some“predatory” HFTs,they are largely irrelevant.
Short is Long.
Here's why it matters to us: The competition to provide liquidity guarantees that the vast majority of orders go through MMs, because with spreads at a penny or less, they can't afford to let anyone else collect those rebates. Thanks to this state of affairs, there is a middle-man for just about every order that is executed on the market. Lucky for us, this middle-man always leaves a trail?he is compelled to sell short whenever he fills a buy order.This decades-long struggle to collect a liquidity rebate, culminating in aggressive HFT market-making, is why short volume has become such a strong indicator of buying activity. Testing the Hypothes is What we would hope to find from a test is that high short sale volume is positively correlated to intraday stock gains. Unfortunately, there is no real-time short sale reporting requirement, and so we cannot simply dig through the ticker tape to find the volume of short sales.* Luckily, we can use a proxy,and even better, it's free.Ever since 2010, FINRA has collected short sale volume data from their Trade Reporting Facilities (TRFs).† The TRFs receive data from exclusively off-exchange, or “dark,” venues. Some of these venues are Alternative Trading Systems (ATSs), or “dark pools” and some are “internalizers.” Since our analysis doesn't need to distinguish between types of off-exchange venues, we'll refer to all data from the TRFs as “dark pool” data.The only thing that's “dark” about a dark pool is that there is no pre-trade data, i.e., there is no visible order book or quoting. The one thing that's particularly appealing about dark pools for the customer is that you can buy or sell stocks between the bid and ask prices, usually at the midpoint. This can dramatically reduce trading costs.For a market-maker in a dark pool (don't be fooled, dark pools have MMs)‡this only changes one thing?midpoint trades mean spreads become even tighter (it's sub-penny). But for our purposes, this is irrelevant. The rebate is still king, and the MMs will still buy what's sold to them and short sell what's bought from them, just like they do on the lit exchange.With all of this In mind, the only suitability concern about using short volume data from dark pools as a proxy for the whole market is that it just isn't enough data. Fortunately, off-exchange volume accounts for about a third o fall trade volume. This should be more than enough to get a picture of the correlation between short volume and intraday stock gains?if there is one.Our approach to test short volume is simple: First, find the average intraday return (open to close) of all exchange-listed U.S. stocks, preferreds, CEFs, ETFs, ETNs, etc., from 2010 to present. This is the baseline return. Then, break down those intraday returns according to the ratio of dark pool short volume to long (i.e., not short) volume on any given day. Naturally, we expect to see that a higher short volume?representative of buying activity?is correlated to higher intraday returns. Here's what we found:Across a universe of 11,254 securities, listed between 2010 and the present, we are able to sample a total of 12.74 million discrete days of returns. The mean intraday return of this data is 0.003%?an average gain of three thousandths of a percent from open to close.When we subsequently halve the data according to dark pool short volume composition, the lower quantile being 0–49% short and the upper being 50–100% short, we find that the mean intraday return of the lower quantile is -0.0593%; the upper, 0.1184%. While this is already supportive of our hypothesis, we can see much more detail when we average returns by percent, dividing the data into 101 parts, 0 to 100%. In the following figure, intraday returns are plotted by their respective dark pool short volume percentages (blue) alongside data frequency (green). The data is unfiltered and unedited.We think that it is difficult to dispute that higher short volume correlates to greater intraday returns. As short volume rises above 35%, average intraday returns are uniformly positive. Similarly, below 35%, returns grow steadily more negative, and remain so especially if we focus on that part of the figure where data is most abundant (and thus the section of data that is most relevant), starting around 20% and ending at 60%, we see a nearly linear relationship between short volume and intraday returns.Outside of this band of data, we encounter what could mostly be characterized as “unusual” volume composition. Exceptionally low short volume will often be linked to days with large block trades between two parties with no market-making intermediary.* Exceptionally high short volume will often be linked to either large buy orders facilitated by a broker or a high volume of speculative short sales.†But, a few outliers aside, we expect that the figure above is able to speak sufficiently about the basic tendency of the data.
Naturally, we view this market phenomenon with more than academic interest, and we expect that readers are similarly interested in practical applications. To that end, adventurous souls can retrieve the short volume data used in this analysis directly from FINRA. A URL is provided in the appendix.The data is, of course, provided without warranty, and requires some wrangling. For advice or assistance in replicating the data we've used here, message us at the email address in the footer of this page.Our own research suggests that there is, at least, longer-term predictive value in short volume data when aggregated. The Dark Index™ (DIX™) has chronicled, in dollar-weighted terms, dark pool short volume across all components of the S&P 500® since 2011.‡ Because the index is dollar-weighted, volume is multiplied by share value, giving more weight to larger and more frequently traded stocks.Very high relative percentages (≥45%) of dollar-weighted short volume are associated with mean 60-market-day returns of 5.3%, as compared to a mean of 2.8% across the whole dataset.Since DIX tends to rise into corrections, we are left to believe that it reflects a broad willingness of investors to accumulate S&P 500 component stocks at lowered valuations, and that high levels of short volume correspond to positive medium-to-long term investor outlooks. This has certainly been reflected in the data.The following scatter plot illustrates this relationship between DIX and S&P 500 returns. http://sqzme.coMarch 20185research@sqzme.co* A few large block orders originating in dark pools is likely the cause of lower-than-average(~40%) aggregate dark pool short volume.† There is a high incidence of data where 100% of volume is short.This is likely a broker-dealer shorting shares into a customer account as one leg of a transaction in a very illiquid stock.‡ As of this writing,DIX data is available athttp://dix.sqzme.co.
It is unfortunate that we have less than 10 years of data to perform these tests, but the SEC has been reluctant to make more, or more detailed, data available. Among cost feasibility concerns, the SEC worries that providing too much data to the public may facilitate strategies disruptive to liquidity providers (MMs).*Furthermore, they go on to say that:Market participants, including issuers and investors, do not appear to widely monitor or use this data, and data vendors informed the Division [of Economic and Risk Analysis] that they had not created products utilizing this data. The Division is unaware of the transaction-level data being widely used by any group other than academics.†Given what we see as potentially valuable information, this may come as a surprise. How can this data have been overlooked? (Academics don't count.) Our suspicion is that the explanation is simple: The conceptual link between short sales and investor buying activity?the key to understanding what “short volume” really means?has never been clearly drawn before.And so, armed with this fresh understanding, we hope that the reader might feel compelled to explore this new avenue of market data. And perhaps to be more receptive, generally, to the value of unconventional data and methods in the investment process.
The data used to test intraday short volume to stock returns is FINRA's “Reg SHO Daily Files.” The most recent year of this data can be found at the following URL.http://regsho.finra.org/regsho-Index.htmlThe Reg SHO Daily Files come from two separate TRFs, NYSE and NASDAQ. There is no meaningful distinction between the two (reporting is rather arbitrary), and they should be added together to generate total off-exchange short volume and total volume numbers. We ignore “short-exempt” volume for our analysis.Even less known than the daily files are FINRA's “Monthly Short Sale Transaction Files,” which provide detailed trade activity (including timestamps) of all off-exchange short sale transactions. The data can be found at the following URL.http://www.finra.org/industry/trf/trf-regulation-sho-2018A more thorough evaluation of short volume data would include data from lit exchanges. While the CBOE (formerly BATS) exchanges have made their short volume data freely available, NASDAQ and NYSE charge exorbitant fees. CBOE data can be found at the following URLs. These links include both the broader daily files as well as the detailed transaction files.https://markets.cboe.com/us/equities/market_statistics/short_sale/?mkt=bzxhttps://markets.cboe.com/us/equities/market_statistics/short_sale/?mkt=byxhttps://markets.cboe.com/us/equities/market_statistics/short_sale/?mkt=edgahttps://markets.cboe.com/us/equities/market_statistics/short_sale/?mkt=edgxOf interest to would-be data-wranglers is that lit exchanges will tend to have fewer large institutional cross trades and thus higher short volume. Taken together, they will add up to around the SEC's aforementioned 49% figure.For clarification regarding any of this data, reach out to our research team at research@sqzme.co.
thanks. might be worthy of $100 lol.
$STRPF $2.95 (6/21/21) is the latest Zack's email ticker blast to me so today I begin tracking it. Not sure if I'll play it but, RECAF was a great call by them (see previous posts here) so I'm tempted...
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"you cant buy the feeling, but you can pay for it''. hows that for a monopoly !!"
Now THAT is drinking-beer-around-the-campfire philosophy!
it surely does, light one up with energy that is. its an amazing feeling. i've come to the conclusion, ''you cant buy the feeling, but you can pay for it''. hows that for a monopoly !!
Gm to you a s well!
"whether your in or not ! its all about the action
Yep! I usta be envious of other's successes back in the day. Now, it's like watching a football game of teams of which I have no interest in where I have no skin in the game and I can root for the underdog with no emotion... I love the excitement and the success for WHOever wins. Same in investing- I get enjoyment watching my board friends hit on their trades
place your bets !! and gm to ya sir ! i'll buy ya your first round !! nothing like a winning bet ! whether your in or not !
its all about the action............
$RECAF- $9.70 (6/17/21) Yup, Zacks got this one right...
$ATOM Buyer's strike today it appears.
Let's see what, if anything, gets said at today's presentation around 3:30...
So far it is...
I made up my mind over the weekend to not wait this time around. This looks like it's getting chatted up again in the cybersphere and what with the short position, I wanted to be prepared for another possible run going into the conference this week. I didn't want to have to worry about about risking my core position so I added a trading position instead
That should be a good snag...dammit!