THE DISSENT

[boogaloo]

My current dissent is regarding the tactics used on the boards, for the purpose of trying to make $$ on flipping. I'm all FOR flipping, but it pisses me off to see how many disingenuous LIARS slither around the boards... hoping to sucker others so that their flip is more effective. Pathetic, I say.

[budge]

all i can say is that the voter is near sighted. the american voter will refuse solutions to hard problems. the american voter is dilutional. the voter has been fed dilusion for generations and a multi generational solution for anything will be out of the question.

if you look around the world, any attempt at a sea change in societal attitude has taken place under oppressive control.

humans are self interested. given the liberty to persue their interests they will travel a well worn path to bankrupcy.

right now, the voter wants what he wants, but wants someone else to pay for it. he wants security, but refuses to accept the requisite limitations on liberty. he wants opportunity but refuses to accept the required responsibility.

all that is left is platitudes because the attention span of the voter and the media that feeds him is too short for anything meaningful. so we sit and lie to ourselves about how great we are and how great we can be and fool ourselves into thinking that wanting it and repeating it makes it so.

our cultural arrogance is strangling us.

[Arrow335]

All I can say is that
"We Are The Government". Until we re-learn that fact and limit corporate influence, including the corporate media this little experiment called America will decline like all the other Super Powers throughout history.

"We have a government that's unwilling to make hard choices and solve hard problems."

"Then when they're in office the best they can do is be against wiretapping"

It's called the "Bill of Right's and the Constitution".

Check this out, very fair and balanced imo. I have to go.

GLTY

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html

[DownWithPumpers]

Yes, that's true. But that support was gained from Highly "suspect" information and pumped like a bad penny stock. There's no denying that Big Oil and Haliburton have made out like bandits. Charts don't lie. The Enery Crisis of the 1970's was later proven to be a Huge Scam. This is taking on the same flavor imo. But That's a dicussion for another time.

Maybe so. But it's not like Bush provided all the world's information. All these political officials who voted for the war had plenty of ways of searching for answers -- if they had wanted to. But again, talking about the post is easy and fun, precisely because it doesn't involve solving any of the hard problems. Deficits of hundreds of billions of dollars, kids dying, no purpose or plan for the war -- and we talk about wiretapping.

We have a government that's unwilling to make hard choices and solve hard problems. They spend a hundred million dollars on their campaign. Then when they're in office the best they can do is be against wiretapping, and high gas prices. I'm underwhelmed.

It was more than just oil we were supposedly running out of. The crackpots said we were running out of virtually everything from: space to live, to gold, to oil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limits_to_Growth

[Arrow335]

Well, it's more than you and I have done unless your Lee Iacocca? These are important topics that need to be brought into the public forum. It's a start.

"So maybe I wasn't clear. I agree. So, what now? Write a book?"

Yes, that's true. But that support was gained from Highly "suspect" information and pumped like a bad penny stock. There's no denying that Big Oil and Haliburton have made out like bandits. Charts don't lie. The Enery Crisis of the 1970's was later proven to be a Huge Scam. This is taking on the same flavor imo. But That's a dicussion for another time.

GLTY

"You had a war that virtually everyone supported"

[DownWithPumpers]

"So here's where we stand. We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for
>winning and no plan for leaving. We're running the biggest deficit in the
>history of the country. We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia , while
>our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs.

So maybe I wasn't clear. I agree. So, what now? Write a book?

You had a war that virtually everyone supported that has no gone terribly wrong. Complaining about phone tapping, partisan politics etc, is just an example of intellectual bankruptcy and is a total diversion from the real problems: war spending gone wild, kids losing their lives, and a war without a goal.

[Arrow335]

LOL, reality is what it is, so you shoot the messenger. Too funny. 78% of the American public is dissatisfied with our current leadership and direction of America. Forget Republican and Democrat for a moment, I think this is about Leadership of both parties. Lee Iacocca is 84 year old, I don't think this is about money. See 60 min interview on CBS site. Sheesh....

"And don't tell me it's all the fault of right-wing Republicans or liberal
>Democrats. That's an intellectually lazy argument, and it's part of the
>reason we're in this stew. We're not just a nation of factions. We're a
>people. We share common principles and ideals. And we rise and fall
>together."

"The President of the United States is given a free pass to ignore
>the Constitution, tap our phones, and lead us to war on a pack of lies.
>Congress responds to record deficits by passing a huge tax cut for the
>wealthy (thanks, but I don't need it)".

"I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a
>patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to
>have."

"Why are we in this mess? How did we end up with this crowd in
>Washington ? Well, we voted for them - or at least some of us did. But I'll
>tell you what we didn't do. We didn't agree to suspend the Constitution. We
>didn't agree to stop asking questions or demanding answers. Some of us are
>sick and tired of people who call free speech treason. Where I come from
>that's a dictatorship, not a democracy."

"So here's where we stand. We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for
>winning and no plan for leaving. We're running the biggest deficit in the
>history of the country. We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia , while
>our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs. Gas
>prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy.
>Our schools are in trouble. Our borders are like sieves. The middle class
>is being squeezed every which way. These are times that cry out for
>leadership."

[DownWithPumpers]

Subject: Lee Iacocca's excerpt from "Where Have All The Leaders Gone:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:48:32 -0700

A majority of party D supported the war at the beginning. A majority of party R supported the war at the beginning. Party D recently passed a non-binding resolution critical of the war. A car executive who required bail-outs is whining about leadership years into the war hoping to sell books to party D.

Forgive me for not being too impressed about his leadership either.

[Arrow335]

Subject: Lee Iacocca's excerpt from "Where Have All The Leaders Gone:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:48:32 -0700
>
>

>
>Excerpt from the book Where Have all the Leaders Gone,
>
>By Lee Iacocca with Catherine Whitney
>
>Had Enough?
>
>Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where
>the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a
>gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've
>got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after
>a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad,
>everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay
>the course."
>
>Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America , not the damned
>Titanic. I'll give you a
>sound bite: Throw the bums out!
>
>You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe
>I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country
>anymore. The President of the United States is given a free pass to ignore
>the Constitution, tap our phones, and lead us to war on a pack of lies.
>Congress responds to record deficits by passing a huge tax cut for the
>wealthy (thanks, but I don't need it). The most famous business leaders are
>not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq
>, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the
>press is waving pom-poms instead of asking hard questions. That's not the
>promise of America my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've
>had enough. How about you?
>
>I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a
>patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to
>have.
>
>My friends tell me to calm down. They say, "Lee, you're eighty-two years
>old. Leave the rage to the young people." I'd love to - as soon as I can
>pry them away from their iPods for five seconds and get them to pay
>attention. I'm going to speak up because it's my patriotic duty. I think
>people will listen to me. They say I have a reputation as a straight
>shooter. So I'll tell you how I see it, and it's not pretty, but at least
>it's real. I'm hoping to strike a nerve in those young folks who say they
>don't vote because they don't trust politicians to represent their
>interests. Hey, America , wake up. These guys work for us.
>
>Who Are These Guys, Anyway?
>
>Why are we in this mess? How did we end up with this crowd in
>Washington ? Well, we voted for them - or at least some of us did. But I'll
>tell you what we didn't do. We didn't agree to suspend the Constitution. We
>didn't agree to stop asking questions or demanding answers. Some of us are
>sick and tired of people who call free speech treason. Where I come from
>that's a dictatorship, not a democracy.
>
>And don't tell me it's all the fault of right-wing Republicans or liberal
>Democrats. That's an intellectually lazy argument, and it's part of the
>reason we're in this stew. We're not just a nation of factions. We're a
>people. We share common principles and ideals. And we rise and fall
>together.
>
>Where are the voices of leaders who can inspire us to action and make us
>stand taller? What happened to the strong and resolute party of Lincoln ?
>What happened to the courageous, populist party of FDR and
>Truman? There was a time in this country when the voices of great leaders
>lifted us up and made us want to do better. Where have all the leaders
>gone?
>
>The Test of a Leader
>
>I've never been Commander in Chief, but I've been a CEO. I understand a few
>things about leadership at the top. I've figured out nine points - not ten
>(I don't want people accusing me of thinking I'm Moses). I call them the
>"Nine Cs of Leadership." They're not fancy or complicated. Just clear,
>obvious qualities that every true leader should have. We should look at how
>the current administration stacks up. Like it or not, this crew i s going
>to be around until January 2009. Maybe we can learn something before we go
>to the polls in 2008. Then let's be sure we use the leadership test to
>screen the candidates who say they want to run the country. It's up to us
>to choose
>wisely.
>
>So, here's my C list:
>
>A leader has to show CURIOSITY. He has to listen to people outside of the
>"Yes, sir" crowd in his inner circle. He has to read voraciously, because
>the world is a big, complicated place. George W. Bush brags about never
>reading a newspaper. "I just scan the headlines," he says. Am I hearing
>this right? He's the President of the United States and he never reads a
>newspaper? Thomas Jefferson once said, "Were it left to me to decide
>whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers
>without a government, I should not hesitate for a moment to prefer the
>latter." Bush disagrees. As long as he gets his daily hour in the gym, with
>Fox News piped through the sound system, he's ready to go.
>
>If a leader never steps outside his comfort zone to hear different ideas,
>he grows stale. If he doesn't put his beliefs to the test, how does he know
>he's right? The inability to listen is a form of arrogance. It means either
>you think you already know it all, or you just don't care. Before the 2006
>election, George Bush made a big point of saying he didn't listen to the
>polls. Yeah, that's what they all say when the polls stink. But maybe he
>should have listened, because 70 percent of the people were saying he was
>on the wrong track. It took a "thumping" on election day to wake him up,
>but even then you got the feeling he wasn't listening so much as he was
>calculating how to do a better job of convincing everyone he was right.
>
>A leader has to be CREATIVE, go out on a limb, be willing to try something
>different. You know, think outside the box. George Bush prides himself on
>never changing, even as the world around him is
>spinning out of control. God forbid someone should accuse him of
>flip-flopping. There's a disturbingly messianic fervor to his certainty.
>Senator Joe Biden recalled a conversation he had with Bush a few months
>after our troops marched into Baghdad . Joe was in the Oval Office
>outlining his concerns to the President - the explosive mix of Shiite and
>Sunni, the disbanded Iraqi army, the problems securing the oil fields. "The
>President was serene," Joe recalled. "He told me he was sure that we were
>on the right course and that all would be well. 'Mr. President,' I finally
>said, 'how can you be so sure when you don't yet know all the facts?'" Bush
>then reached over and put a steadying hand on Joe's shoulder. "My
>instincts," he said. "My instincts." Joe was flabbergasted. He told Bush,
>"Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough." Joe Biden sure didn't
>think the matter was settled. And,
>as we all know now, it wasn't.
>
>Leadership is all about managing change - whether you're leading a company
>or leading a country. Things change, and you get creative. You adapt. Maybe
>Bush was absent the day they covered that at Harvard Business School .
>
>A leader has to COMMUNICATE. I'm not talking about running off at the mouth
>or spouting sound bites. I'm talking about facing reality and telling the
>truth. Nobody in the current administration seems to know how to talk
>straight anymore. Instead, they spend most of their time trying to convince
>us that things are not really as bad as they seem. I don't know if it's
>denial or dishonesty, but it can start to drive you crazy after a while.
>Communication has to start with telling the truth, even when it's painful.
>The war in Iraq has been, among other things, a grand failure of
>communication. Bush is like the boy who didn't cry wolf when the wolf was
>at the door. After years of being told that all is well, even as the
>casualties and chaos mount, we've stopped listening to him.
>
>A leader has to be a person of CHARACTER. That means knowing the difference
>between right and wrong and having the guts to do the right thing. Abraham
>Lincoln once said, "If you want to test a man's character, give him power."
>George Bush has a lot of power. What does it say about his character? Bush
>has shown a willingness to take bold action on the world stage because he
>has the power, but he shows little regard for the grievous consequences. He
>has sent our troops (not to mention hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi
>citizens) to their deaths - for what? To build our oil reserves? To avenge
>his daddy because Saddam Hussein once tried to have him killed? To
>show his daddy he's tougher? The motivations behind the war in Iraq are
>questionable, and the execution of the war has been a disaster. A man of
>character does not ask a single soldier to die for a failed policy.
>
>A leader must have COURAGE. I'm talking about balls. (That even goes for
>female leaders.) Swagger isn't courage. Tough talk isn't courage. George
>Bush comes from a blue-blooded Connecticut family, but he likes to talk
>like a cowboy. You know, My gun is bigger than your gun. Courage in the
>twenty-first century doesn't mean posturing and bravado. Courage is a
>commitment to sit down at the negotiating table and talk. If you're a
>politician, courage means taking a position even when you know it will cost
>you votes. Bush can't even make a public appearance unless the audience has
>been handpicked and sanitized. He did a series of so-called town hall
>meetings
>last year, in auditoriums packed with his most devoted fans. The questions
>were all softballs.
>
>To be a leader you've got to have CONVICTION - a fire in your belly. You've
>got to have passion. You've got to really want to get something done. How
>do you measure fire in the belly? Bush has set the all-time record for
>number of vacation days taken by a U.S. President - four hundred and
>counting. He'd rather clear brush on his ranch than immerse himself in the
>business of governing. He even told an interviewer that the high point of
>his presidency so far was catching a seven-and-a-half-pound perch in his
>hand-stocked lake.
>
>It's no better on Capitol Hill. Congress was in session only ninety-seven
>days in 2006. That's eleven days less than the record set in 1948, when
>President Harry Truman coined the term do-nothing Congress. Most people
>would expect to be fired if they worked so little and had nothing to show
>for it. But Congress managed to find the time to vote itself a raise. Now,
>that's not leadership.
>
>A leader should have CHARISMA. I'm not talking about being flashy. Charisma
>is the quality that makes people want to follow you. It's the ability to
>inspire. People follow a leader because they trust him. That's my
>definition of charisma. Maybe George Bush is a great guy to hang out with
>at a barbecue or a ball game. But put him at a global summit where the
>future of our planet is at stake, and he doesn't look very presidential.
>Those frat-boy pranks and the kidding around he enjoys so much don't go
>over that well with world leaders. Just ask German Chancellor Angela
>Merkel, who received an unwelcome shoulder massage from our President at a
>G-8 Summit. When he came up behind her and started
>squeezing, I thought she was going to go right through the roof.
>
>A leader has to be COMPETENT. That seems obvious, doesn't it? You've got to
>know what you're doing. More important than that, you've got to surround
>yourself with people who know what they're doing. Bush brags about being
>our first MBA President. Does that make him competent? Well, let's see.
>Thanks to our first MBA President, we've got the largest deficit in
>history, Social Security is on life support, and we've run up a
>half-a-trillion-dollar price tag (so far) in Iraq . And that's just for
>starters. A leader has to be a problem solver, and the biggest problems we
>face as a nation seem to be on the back burner.
>
>You can't be a leader if you don't have COMMON SENSE. I call this Charlie
>Beacham's rule. When I was a young guy just starting out in the car
>business, one of
>my first jobs was as Ford's zone manager in Wilkes-Barre , Pennsylvania .
>My boss was a guy named Charlie Beacham, who was the East Coast regional
>manager. Charlie was a big! Souther ner, with a warm drawl, a huge smile,
>and a core of steel. Charlie used to tell me, "Remember, Lee, the only
>thing you've got going for you as a human being is your ability to reason
>and your common sense. If you don't know a dip of horseshit from a dip of
>vanilla ice cream, you'll never make it." George Bush doesn't have common
>sense. He just has a lot of sound bites. You know - Mr.
>they'll-welcome-us-as-liberators-no-child-left-behind-heck-of-a-job-Brownie-mission-accomplished
>Bush.
>
>Former President Bill Clinton once said, "I grew up in an alcoholic home. I
>spent half my childhood trying to get into the reality-based world - and I
>like it here."
>
>I
>think our current President should visit the real world once in a while.
>
>The Biggest C is Crisis
>
>Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's
>easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send
>someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield
>yourself. It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.
>
>On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time
>in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. Where
>was George Bush? He was reading a story about a pet goat to kids in Florida
>when he heard about the attacks. He kept sitting there for twenty minutes
>with a baffled look on his face. It's all on tape. You can see it for
>yourself. Then, instead of taking the quickest route back to
>Washington and immediately going on the air to reassure the panicked people
>of this country, he decided it wasn't safe to return to the White House. He
>basically went into hiding for the day - and he told Vice President Dick
>Cheney to stay put in his bunker. We were all frozen in front of our TVs,
>scared out of our wits, waiting for our leaders to tell us that we were
>going to be okay, and there was nobody home. It took Bush a couple of days
>to get his bearings and devise the right photo op at Ground Zero.
>
>That was George Bush's moment of truth, and he was paralyzed. And what did
>he do when he'd regained his composure? He led us down the road to Iraq - a
>road his own father had considered disastrous when he was President. But
>Bush didn't listen to Daddy. He listened to a higher father. He prides
>himself on being faith based, not reality based. If that doesn't
>scare the crap out of you, I don't know what will.
>
>A Hell of a Mess
>
>So here's where we stand. We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for
>winning and no plan for leaving. We're running the biggest deficit in the
>history of the country. We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia , while
>our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs. Gas
>prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy.
>Our schools are in trouble. Our borders are like sieves. The middle class
>is being squeezed every which way. These are times that cry out for
>leadership.
>
>But when you look around, you've got to ask: "Where have all the leaders
>gone?" Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people
>of character, courage, conviction, competence, and common sense? I may be a
>sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.
>
>
>
>

[boogaloo]

No dissent lately? em

[boogaloo]

Arrow, That's awesome! Do you mind if I post that on other boards?

If you get a reply, please post it.

By the way, I agree completely... and it burns my ass to think about those things.

[ypsiCPA]

Nice! eom

[Arrow335]

Becoming Illegal:

The Honorable Tom Harkin
731 Hart Senate Office Building
Phone [phone]
Washington DC, 20510

Dear Senator Harkin,

As a native Iowan and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the Department of Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process for becoming an illegal alien and they referred me to you.

My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to illegal alien stems from the bill which was recently passed by the Senate and for which you voted. If my understanding of this bill's provisions is accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for five years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine and income taxes for three of the last five years. I know a good deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone figures it out.

Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of taxes in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply to be illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and my family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.

Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local emergency room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost $10,000 a year.

Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter would receive preferential treatment relative to her law school applications, as well as "in-state" tuition rates for many colleges throughout the United States for my son.

Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden of renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome car insurance premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have college age children driving my car.

If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal (retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance.

Your Loyal Constituent,
Donald Ruppert
Burlington , IA

Get your Forms (NOW)!! Call your Internal Revenue Service 1-800-289-1040.

Please pass this on to your friends so they can save on this great offer

[string]

He's planning a picnic for USSE on the 24th.

[m_stone_14]

To the board, I'm sorry. This is how it is when you express and opposing opinion I guess, and the other side is desparate to discredit you.

[davidam]

Ohh it happened alright and matt banned you not RonnieD
banning info from the GBDX board
m_stone_14 3/16/2007 1:48:36 PM 2744

[boogaloo]

Jeez guys, let's keep the posts here relevant or at least close to relevant. How say you? This is not the personal attack and threat board. Thanks.

[m_stone_14]

Sorry there Gordon.

[m_stone_14]

Pretty incriminating don'tcha think...Hey Gordin..hope you aren't upset. I'm just DISSENTING ok.

[m_stone_14]

Bill Panetta has a theory about this topic let me dig it up. Posted by: Bill Panetta
In reply to: None Date:1/2/2007 11:42:39 AM
Post #of 2190

Stocks That Make Kool-Aid Status: How Popular is my Stock?

By Bill Panetta
President of Breakout Trading
www.breakoutrading.net

That ghost of Jim Jones works in mysterious ways on the OTC BB and Pink Sheets Exchanges. There’s a special type of ‘Kool-Aid’ drink that traders and investors enjoy when trading small cap stocks, and this article will give you some insight into how to identify and protect yourself from sucking in too much of the red stuff. Let me stress, this article is not to degrade or put down traders or investors for buying these type stocks at all (I make good money on these type of plays all the time), we’re merely looking to get better at selling rather than hanging on and taking a positive trade that turns into a losing situation.

We have all invested or traded some big name penny stocks in our trading career. We all know the type of stocks that I'm talking about. We’re going to try to make some sense of when to sell these types of stocks.

In this article we are going to look at the Psychology (Message Boards) combined with Technical Analysis. (Charts). The Psychology part of trading is very important to my success as a full-time trader. A big motivation for me in writing this article is I have seen plenty of good buy-side traders, some of them close friends, make great buying decisions and then have no idea or clue when to sell a stock that they have nice profits in. The investors and traders that we are talking about had tons of profits in these stocks. What were going to try to accomplish today is getting better at taking profits, especially on KOOL AID (cult) Stocks.

Kool Aid Stocks have stories that claim will revolutionize the world. You have heard them before, Cures for Cancer. Billions in Diamonds. A blimp that was supposed to revolutionize Wireless Communications. Big contracts with Circuit City. Recently a CEO that claimed his penny stock was worth upwards of $50/share. When these types of stocks get mainstream exposure, they suck in novice investors what I call the 9-5 crowd and the frenzy begins. Now friends and relatives are in. The message boards are packed, with multiple posts per minute. Everyone is going to hit it big. Any detractors of the company are considered ‘bashers’ or believed to be ‘illegally short’ the company. They get banned, insulted, and attacked in groups. It can get pretty ugly. As the stock continues higher, the 9-5 crowd is hooked and now looking for that ‘retirement’ profit. They have no trading experience nor do they understand what Mass Psychology (Message Board Hype) , is or what to look for on the technical side (Charts). The fortunate part is that some of these people get lucky enough to make some money, but then, almost inevitably, the GREED kicks they drink the KOOL AID and something mysterious happens, there dream investments starts to go south.

Let’s see if we can figure out a way to find a top in a very popular stock using both MASS PSYCHOLOGY (Message Boards) and a very basic technical indicator like the MACD (Moving Average Convergence Divergence)

Let’s look at the MASS PSYCHOLOGY (Message Boards) first.

NOISE LEVEL: An indicator that I really like is a feature over at Investors Hub that gives me some really nice clues on stocks that have reached KOOL AID Status and could be nearing a top. Remember were looking for clues. One of the easiest ways to find out what the noise level is of a stock all one has to do is go to IHUB and click on the hot button http://investorshub.com/boards/most_read.asp and start looking at stocks that are the most read. Notice I specifically said most read (not the top boards or most posted). Not everyone posts. In fact, most people are just content to sit and read. The more people ‘lurking’ around a board show the larger audience the stock has. Browse a few of the most read posts and look for ‘cult-like’ activity. More than likely, you’ll see multiple posts giving the company glowing reviews. You might even catch a price target or two, well in excess of any reasonable share appreciation. It all sounds great, but what a lot of the people posting do not realize is that they all could very quickly become long-term shareholders in a go-nowhere company. You want to carefully time heavy ‘noise’ companies with those that are on a clear and sustainable uptrend, otherwise it’s akin to being sucked into a black hole.

Most of the stocks that you will see on this list are what I call broken stocks. Cult stocks that have gone bad. As you look at this list of companies especially in the top 5 most of these stocks have the biggest stuck holder bases on OTC & Pinks. You have to sell aggressively as your stock climbs into the top 5. Again this exercise is part of topping process of a stock. So check and monitor the list on regular basis to see what your stock is doing.

TECHNICAL ANALYSIS:

MACD: Lets talk about the MACD indicator. The MACD is one of my favorite indicators because it identifies the trend and the strength of the trend. We’re looking for a stock that crosses above the zero-line on the MACD, which can create a powerful move that can last weeks at a time. You want to see some sense of direction in this indicator. Although there are plenty of stocks that are ‘bottomed out’ as far as MACD is concerned, without any indication of a reversal, you could be waiting for months for a move higher. To illustrate this, I’ve included some stocks that gave us some pretty convincing warning signals as far as MACD is concerned. Let’s look at some charts and see if any of this makes any sense.

[d indian]

blind leading the blind. where in hell is Jones from Guyana when you need him.

[m_stone_14]

But the Kool-Aid is strong over there...tons of believers..

[d indian]

which is a joke.

[m_stone_14]

GBDX

[m_stone_14]

Starfire..one of a legion of freebie pumpers at GBDX that are all in cohoots..some from days at RB..gubbly, eliot..man. These are world class pumpers.

[boogaloo]

The saga continues... check out the latest SLJB PR.

[starfire]

any stock that you have negative comments about!!!

[d indian]

starman, you lost me. what are you talking about, and what company are you referring to.

[starfire]

though most pinks are scams..not all of them are!! if you are going to bash, substantiate with meaningful evidence.

[starfire]

grow up kid!! what's the matter....did you loose all your marbles while at school???

[RonnieD]

yo. I wasn't even mod when you were banned. So there goes that theory. Ihub itself banned you.
You're going to eat your words on GBDX, boy. I expect you to avoid saying you were wrong all along.

[m_stone_14]

You guys really don't need to delete Davo's posts..nothing I can't handle on my own. I've done it so long, I bet I got more deleted posts than any poster at GBDX.

[m_stone_14]

GBDX..I will flip the turd at the first opportunity I'm calling for a retrace back to .004 for starters and new lows to follow as traders take advantage of baggers trying to support the bottoms...selling is in the cards here. BEARISH.

[m_stone_14]

This guy is the livin' end when it comes to pumpers..Davo coming over here to post is like saying to my face.."You win the arguement"..I'm not allowed to post over there but thanks to the freedom of speech he can come here and rag on me..Oh by the way Matt never contacted me about an eblast I supposedly sent out from this computer to GBDX holders..because it never happened.

[m_stone_14]

I was baned by a drunk mod and a peon asst. that can't take a joke..That GBDX is a pos in small letters. Dav..I don't need to get into another dozens match with you but if you tempt me I will contact Matt about you harassing me.

[davidam]

tell the real truth m-stone
you were banned because you aided in sending around an e-mail emploring people to sell gbdx in an attempt to crash the stock so you and others can get in at a new bottom

[m_stone_14]

But I take your opinion in all seriousness there budge...like I said I learned a lesson on GBDX that I won't repeat..I just sit by now and lament the mm's motives and other nonsense that the baggers blame..it's a natural progression I guess.

[budge]

part of the problem is that many of those who post contrary stuff are driven by ego and tend to be harsh and ridicule. it degenerates into schoolyard antics and someone get's censored. bashing would be much more educational if it wasn't done out of malice.

[m_stone_14]

Yeah and get banned for "bashing" or a warning from Matt when the conversation digenerates to name calling because these "nubs" can't take a hint...like a hammer in the face when their, "averaging down" on a turd like INXR or GBDX, because TAKI said thats what he's doing.

[m_stone_14]

Like asking a skunk to let you pass without a toot.

[budge]

"pinksheet investors"? that's an oxymoron if i ever saw one. there are always lambs being born, and the scamsters know it. without the bitter pill of experience they go gamboling about collecting what they think is truth.

what i hate is the conflict of interest that concern on my part for the education of the newby's, and the need on my part for someone to sell to, brings to the game.

[boogaloo]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm constantly amazed at how many pinksheet "investors" still think that asking the company questions and being given verbal answers... still qualifies as good DD, even after the company has already effed everyone over previously. They don't seem to learn from mistakes, and fail to realize or understand why talking directly to the company is often the absolute worst (least reliable) form of DD in the pinksheet world. There are quite a few recent pinksheet CEO clowns who prove this train of thought valid.

That's my dissent-like commentary for the evening. lol

[m_stone_14]

Well I flipped lsmj for a profit..can I say that here? Without being called names?

[m_stone_14]

Somehow..I didn't want to see that Arrow..Sheesh.

[Arrow335]

Jim Plants next vacation.....

[boogaloo]

Thanks stoner! em

[m_stone_14]

I'm still waiting for Matt to get back to me about the emails to holders of GBDX he's suppose to have copies of. Humm. That was one strange accusation..never happened to me before...I must be effective still since I been banned from GBDX board for couple of months.

[m_stone_14]

Why sandy..your just so popular!!

[boogaloo]

Hey, I'm assistant mod! LOL! How did that happen? I found out by accident! ha

[SPIN]

Enron's lawyers charged by SEC

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Litigation Release No. 20060/ March 29, 2007
Securities and Exchange Commission v. Nicor Inc and Jeffrey L. Metz, United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois Eastern Division, Civil Action No. 07C 1739

On March 29, 2007, the Securities and Exchange Commission filed a settled civil injunctive action against Nicor, Inc. and Jeffrey Metz, alleging financial fraud lasting from 1999 to 2002. Nicor, a major Chicago-area natural gas distributor, and Metz, its former Assistant Vice President and Controller, will pay more than $10 million to settle charges that they engaged in improper transactions, made material misrepresentations, and failed to disclose material information regarding Nicor's gas inventory in order to meet earnings targets and increase the company's revenues under a performance-based rate plan administered by the Illinois Commerce Commission.

The complaint alleges that in 1999, Nicor, acting through Metz and senior officers, devised a method by which it could profit by accessing its low-cost last-in, first-out (LIFO) layers of inventory. As a result, from 1999 through 2001, Nicor, with the assistance of senior officers, entered into a series of improper transactions designed to shift inventory off of its books so that Nicor could access a substantial portion of its low-cost LIFO layers of inventory. These transactions allowed Nicor to ensure that it met its earnings targets. By entering into these transactions, Nicor inflated its reported income for 2000 and 2001, and for each of the quarters within those years ("Reports") and the financial statements filed with those Reports.

Additionally, Nicor failed to disclose, in either its Management's Discussion & Analysis section of its Reports, or in its financial statements filed with those Reports, that it had recorded material credits to income resulting from LIFO liquidations.

Without admitting or denying the Commission's allegations, Nicor has consented to a permanent injunction from violating the antifraud and reporting provisions of the federal securities laws. Specifically, Nicor has consented to be enjoined from violating Section 17(a) and of the Securities Act of 1933 ("Securities Act"), Sections 10(b) and 13(a) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 ("Exchange Act"), and Rules 10b-5, 12b-20, 13a-1 and 13a-13 thereunder. Nicor has also consented to pay $1 of disgorgement and a civil penalty of $10 Million which will be placed in a Fair Fund for distribution to affected shareholders of Nicor's fraud. The settlement is subject to approval by the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois.

Without admitting or denying the Commission's allegations, Metz has consented to a permanent injunction from violating and/or aiding and abetting violations of the antifraud and reporting provisions of the federal securities laws. Specifically, Metz has consented to be enjoined from violating Section 17(a) and of the Securities Act, Section 10(b) of the Securities Exchange Act, and Rule 10b-5 thereunder, and from aiding and abetting violations of Sections 13(a) of the Exchange Act and Rules 12b-20, 13a-1, and 13a-13 thereunder. Metz has also consented to pay disgorgement of $7,404, prejudgment interest of $2,647, a civil penalty of $50,000, and to be barred from serving as an officer or director of a public company for five years following the date of entry of Final Judgment. The settlement is subject to approval by the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois.

The Commission's investigation in this matter is continuing.

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2007/lr20060.htm

SEC complaint: http://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2007/comp20060.pdf

and Enron-based suit vs. J.P. Morgan dismissed