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I do not, but I think my daughter does.
Looking at the upcoming cast, this does not look like something I'd have patience for.
A few of these new shows lately I find way too fake to sit through. The Deal or no deal island made me want to poke out my own brain.
Oh....it would have been a tough choice for me. At first it was Mitch..then Mary....then Star....then Mary again....then Kyle.
I know you rated this season highly. I did not. I thought too many sat back and did nothing.
Kyle was smarter than me in taking Eva and Joe.....I would have never thought to do that..
On second thought, my favorite was Shauhin....he was fun.
Hated Sai and Cedrick....so glad Sai didn't get to come back on and talk.
Big Brother does fan favorite
OK, how in heck is Eva allowed to work with out Navy?? We should send her to North Korea.....yeah, she has a bragging montage that she couldn't wait to tell everyone about, but if anything doesn't go her way, she breaks out in a fit! She dared to claim that she and Joe were working things out together when truth was, Joe carried her completely and everyone seemed to deem her untouchable due to her condition. Joe was just paranoid enough to not see straight and in the end, they were both there because Kyle made it happen AND, the players like Mitch and Kamilla had no game plan. I was SHOCKED to hear the jury say they would have given it to Kamilla no question, that's how poorly the game was played.
It drove me a bit crazy last night that Kyle was hesitant to toot his own horn, because you never know how jury will take it.....so Kamilla did all the bragging for him. Kyle should have jumped out there when someone asked what would surprise them about how he played? Instead he just said, "well I'm a lawyer"....in which Eva had to jump in to do her brag all over again.
Joe, had an awful last tribal to the jury. He had planned to go in and just say, "well I was strong", but every time he started to say something, Eva jumped in to put her spin on it. BTW, I loved it when she bragged about sneaking out in the night and Joe and Shahin shot that down. Almost as much as her bragging about getting out Shahin because he was going after her, and finding out she was set up.
I'd say Kyle played a good game, the others just rode along. I think he would have won had Mitch been there and if Kamilla had been there, (not sure what Kamilla was thinking by telling Kyle she would try to boot him if she won the challenge? I think she was just riding a high from her last win)
Oh yeah, if Eva was so great at puzzles, as she claimed. Why didn't she win any of them?.....I really disliked her more after last night than I did before. Joe came off as the great guy with compassion, but no chance to win the game.....don't they normally do fan favorite?
No need to thank us, everyone is welcome!
It is rare that someone I like early on wins. Even though I liked Kyle early I always thought Joe would win until last week. Kyle pretty much locked it up when he told how he got them to vote Shahin (sp) out last week.
It turns out that even though Joe was a strong competitor Eva and Kyle were better players.
I know derf doesn’t like Eva and I could almost hear him yelling at the TV but I think she was the most impressive player over all. Having worked with autistic kids her emotions were real. I will add that she was lucky to have someone as compassionate as Joe by her side. Had he or someone else not been there to help her with her emotions she may have imploded.
I rate this season a 9.
Oh well!
Eva has an impressive C.V.
Susie, fung_derf, thanks for letting me play along.
See you next season.
Why would Mitch ever win the game? Especially against Joe?
Mitch has played a truly awful game. He has played scared and he even admitted at Tribal the game is not going as he imagined.
Mitch is the swing vote, but can never win the game.
It's now either Kyle or Joe's game to win.
I believe Eva's idol and stuff is now null and void. It was Joe's paranoia that did him in.
I really liked Shahin, and he was devastated. His fault for knowing something was wrong with Joe but not probing more.
I don't know that Kyle needed to add in the part about Shahin having an idol, but admittedly it was genius.
Now, Kamilla needs to ride his coattails as she has done nothing in this game.
Mitch now has power thanks to Kyle....will he screw it up?
Why did Kyle vote out Mitch on the last vote? Was it jury management? Pretty gutsy.
Joe has to go next, but I'd love seeing Eva voted out. She annoys the heck outta me.
Will Joe admit to himself that he was conned? Does he take revenge? If so, there's the possibility Eva, Mitch, and he are final 3, and Mitch wins the money. Joe's got a huge problem . Who wins the next challenge is a major factor.
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Wow!
Kyle and Kamilla just flipped this game upside down. I didn’t think Joe would fall for their story but he bought it hook, line, and sinker.
Joe and Eva are now officially on the bottom. If Joe doesn’t win immunity next week he will probably get voted out because at this point I don’t think Eva would use it on him.
Survivor 48” star Mary Zheng details 'incredibly frustrating' final days
Story by Dalton Ross • 1d •
11 min read
"I felt like a pariah. It was as if people would be infected by my cooties if they made eye contact with me."
Robert Voets/CBS Mary Zheng on 'Survivor 48'
Robert Voets/CBS Mary Zheng on 'Survivor 48'
Key Points
Survivor 48 player Mary Zheng details painful final days in the game.
The ousted contestant says nobody was on board to vote out Joe.
She didn't even notice David standing. Seriously.
She tried. Lord knows she tried. But Mary Zheng just couldn’t get enough people to bite on her plan to take out the game’s biggest threat in Joe Hunter. So when push came to shove at Tribal Council on this week’s episode of Survivor 48, Mary was shoved right out of the game.
It marked the end of a long, winding road for Mary, who was on the outs on her original Vula tribe pretty much from day 1. A successful Shot in the Dark play kept her in the game (even though she previously dissed and dismissed the SITD as “wack”), and she appeared to gain at least a little bit of footing at the merge, but once new ally David Kinne was blindsided, Mary’s days were once again numbered.
Why didn’t other players like Kyle Fraser and Shauhin Davari buy what Mary was selling when it came to Joe? Was coconut etiquette to blame? And what did she make of David’s awkward standing at Tribal Council? We spoke to juror number 5 about all that and more.
CBS Mary Zheng on 'Survivor 48'
CBS Mary Zheng on 'Survivor 48'
Related: Shauhin is desperate to win immunity in Survivor 48 exclusive deleted scene
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Let’s start here. Do you still think the Shot is Dark is “wack”?
MARY ZHENG: Not at all. The Shot in the Sark is the most unwack thing there is about Survivor.
Did you remember even writing that down as your Survivor hot take for me before the game?
No idea. I completely forgot. I just remember afterwards I saw it and I was like, “Oh yeah.” I remember asking you, being like, “Is it okay if I just say the Shot in the Dark is kinda wack?” and you were like, “That's perfect!” And I was like, “Okay, cool. I don't know how professional we got to be here, but kinda wack.” It wasn't super whack. It was just kinda whack
Dalton Ross Mary Zheng of 'Survivor 48'
Dalton Ross Mary Zheng of 'Survivor 48'
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So let's bring that forward then to the episode we just saw last night. Since you had already used your Shot in the Dark heading into this last Tribal, did anyone even bother lying to you or did they all essentially tell you it was you?
There was one part where we were all sitting there in the shelter and I was just like, “Well, it's been nice playing with you guys.” And everybody was just kind of like [nervous laughter] and I'm like, “It's fine, guys. We all know what's happening. We don't need to lie here. And thank you, guys for respecting me enough to not tell a horrible lie.”
You were pitching everyone that Joe needed to go. Why ultimately did that pitch not land?
From the edit, it seems as if it didn't work because people didn't think that they could work with me after. But I have to say, after the game ended, I had quite a few people come up to me and be like, “You know what, Mary? Sorry we didn't work with you. Sorry we also didn't try to befriend you either. It's because we knew that if you got to final Tribal Council, you were going to get all the votes.”
And I know that from the edit it doesn't look like I'm a threat at all, but rightfully or wrongfully, my castmates did. And I think it was just because I had such a different story, and I came from Vula, and I had survived. So I think it was a lot of things, but ultimately people didn't want to work with me because they didn't want to sit next to me, and they also didn't trust that I was going to allow them to even sit next to me.
How frustrating was that? I mean, you're pitching the Joe thing, you're like, “This guy's a freight train has to be stopped. He's in this power duo with Eva.” Some people appear to be considering it, some people are just kind of struggling their shoulders. I have to imagine that was frustrating.
I took out my frustration on the coconuts. I was like,” I literally don't know what else I can do here. I am assuming that the people here are smart, and they are, and it's literally what is best for you and what is best for me.” I remember I had a conversation with Kyle, it wasn't shown, where I was like, “Dude, are you proud of the game that you're playing right now? Is this the way that you wanted to play?”
Because I could just tell that people were itching to make a move and I was like, “Guys, let's f---ing” do it. So yeah, it was incredibly frustrating, but after a certain point, after I got out my rage, I just kind of accepted that it was finally my time… after it almost being my time countless times.
Did this vote all come down to Kyle? Were Kamilla and Mitch on board to take Joe out?
Oh no, not at all. Nobody was on board. I actually, before seeing last night's episode, had no idea that Kyle had considered it so much. But yeah, there was a one point where I was asking Kamilla and Mitch, and Kamilla was like, “Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll think about it.” And I'm like, “I know what that means. It's not happening.”
Robert Voets/CBS Sai Hughley, Justin Pioppi, Mary Zheng, Cedrek McFadden, Kevin Leung on 'Survivor 48'
Robert Voets/CBS Sai Hughley, Justin Pioppi, Mary Zheng, Cedrek McFadden, Kevin Leung on 'Survivor 48'
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Did you have any idea Kyle and Kamilla were that close out there?
I didn't know they were that close, but I knew that they were close. It wasn't shown at all, but David and I were lockstep. We thought the same thing at the same time. So we knew that something was going on between Kyle and Kamilla and Shauhin. We didn't know exactly what exactly the dynamic was, but we were like, “They're working together and they are planning something.”
What is your take on coconut etiquette, Mary?
I think I had perfect coconut etiquette. I mean, everyone else was eating. It had been days since I'd eaten, so yeah, I think I had perfect coconut etiquette. Could not be more polite or courteous.
The thing about Survivor is you go through this experience and this jumble of emotions as you get voted out, and then you’ve got to go through it again nine months later when you watch it on TV. What was it like watching the episode last night for you?
I was really proud of myself watching it because I was like, “Wow, I'm literally serving.” I am making myself laugh at the coconut scene, I'm making myself cry when I'm crying to Jeff when I don't get picked for reward, and I'm making myself proud with me playing the way that I did fighting till the bitter end. I think that I had a lot working against me the entire season, but I did the best that I could and I had so much fun watching the episode last night. I really did.
CBS Mary Zheng on 'Survivor 48'
CBS Mary Zheng on 'Survivor 48'
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That's good to hear. And I had so much fun watching something very bizarre happen on the jury last night. What was your reaction when you saw David rising to his feet and standing there — looking very angry by the way — as you were walking up to get your torch snuffed?
That was a shock to me. I had heard about that moment. I know I was there, but was I really there? I was out of body when everything was happening, when I was getting voted out, but I had heard from people that David stood up, and this was my first time watching it and I am so grateful for it because I had wanted to cry because I was sad about my vote out. But instead, I was crying out of laughter because David was f---ing hilarious! And the music, and then also Star's just out there trying to be as polite as she can be, but it was so hilarious.
What was the reunion with David and the others like at Ponderosa?
I'm going to be honest, Dalton. When I was on that boat going back to Ponderosa, I thought to myself, “Wow, I'm really going to be like Venus. I'm really going to be someone who has no friends after this experience.” Because the last two, three days that I was out there, I felt like a pariah. It looked as if people were talking to me, but especially the last couple of days, it was as if people would be infected by my cooties if they made eye contact with me.
And so when I was on the boat, I was just thinking to myself, “Damn, I'm going to have to go to these viewing parties and I have zero connections to any of these people.” But then when I got to Ponderosa, Cedrek, Chrissy, David, and Star were standing outside and I saw them and… [starts to tear up].
Yeah, it meant a lot to me. It really, really meant a lot to me because I thought like, “Wow, these people actually care.” After feeling like nobody really cared for a long time. So it was so much fun. We stayed up maybe till one or two in the morning, everybody just out there eating, drinking, talking, laughing. I'm so grateful for my time at Ponderosa because I think I really, really took a beating out there playing. And so when I got to Ponderosa was really when I did a lot of healing.
Robert Voets/CBS Mary Zheng on 'Survivor 48'
Robert Voets/CBS Mary Zheng on 'Survivor 48'
Related: Survivor 48 exclusive deleted scene shows an elated Mary in her element
It's really interesting to hear you say this because you're right: From the edit, it looks like people maybe don't want to work with you, but it definitely doesn't give the feeling you're being ostracized. Tell me why you think that was. Do you think it was just people were afraid to be seen talking to you? Was it that they just didn't want to hear your pitch? Do you think it was a personal issue they had?
I knew it wasn't personal. I knew that with my head, but with my heart, there's kind of a lag between head and heart, and so all my heart could feel was that people didn't want to be around me. But I think the reason is what people said to me after the game. They were like,”Yo, we’re sorry we didn't talk to you. We didn't want to work with you because we saw you as a threat. We didn't want to sit next to you at final Tribal Council.”
And yeah, they didn't know that with a lot of Vula, I got lucky. It wasn't like I was this huge mastermind. I feel like throughout the game everyone's like, “She is this incredible mastermind.” I don't think I'm an incredible mastermind. I think I'm scrappy though. But people didn't know that. They just were like, “Wow, she really survived.” And so I think they didn't want to work with me for that reason.
But also you can see that everybody out there has day one connections. Those are all day one connections and people at that point. It was tense because everybody I feel wanted to prove their loyalty. I was talking to Shauhin, right? I was like, “This isn't a game of outloyal,” but everybody out there was so pressed on being loyal to each other that I think that if they were seeing talking to me, it would increase paranoia and really splinter whatever plans or connections they had.
Robert Voets/CBS Stephanie Berger, Sai Hughley, Justin Pioppi, Mary Zheng, Cedrek McFadden, and Kevin Leung on the Vulu tribe of 'Survivor 48'
Robert Voets/CBS Stephanie Berger, Sai Hughley, Justin Pioppi, Mary Zheng, Cedrek McFadden, and Kevin Leung on the Vulu tribe of 'Survivor 48'
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So you and David seemed really close in the game and I asked him about that two weeks ago and he said: “Mary sort of latched onto me and I did the best I could to keep her at arm’s length, but she was just everywhere and she was following me around…It was Mary sort of inserting herself into the group and then attaching herself to me. And it just came to the point where I'm like, ‘I can't do anything about Mary. She's here. We might as well use her for a number.’… She was always going to be the sixth boot, which I don't think was ever really truly clarified.” Was that ever clarified for you?
David saying that was hilarious. I love David. Let me just preface that. But from the first day of new Lagi, David, Eva and I collectively agreed that we were going to work together and join forces. It was mutually beneficial, and that was a group decision. Eva and David wanted numbers, and I wanted people who wanted to work with me who I could trust.
Eva and David were the first people since day five when Kevin got voted out who wanted to work with me, who I felt like I could trust. I think a lot of people don't realize the desperation that I felt, and also the desperation that I think anybody coming from Vula who survived Vula would have felt. I had been continuously on the bottom… and I know people are going to be like, “How many times is this bitch going to say she was on the bottom?”
It was true!
It was true. I was, and when David and Eva wanted to work with me, listen, if you're selling, I'm buying — especially people who I can tell really value being honest, Eva has been incredibly honest this entire game. She literally was like, “Hey, sorry, I can't protect you." Also, the reason I asked Eva if she would use the idol on me is because when she got the idol, she was like, “Hey, I'm going to use the idol on you and us. It is our idol.” So I was just shooting my shot.
Robert Voets/CBS Eva Erickson, David Kinne, and Mary Zheng on 'Survivor 48'
Robert Voets/CBS Eva Erickson, David Kinne, and Mary Zheng on 'Survivor 48'
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Did you have a moment in the game after Sai and Cedrek went on the same night where you were like, “How am I the last Vula standing here?”
I actually didn't have that moment because I knew I'd be the last Vula standing. But I felt incredibly grateful because at that moment I felt like I could finally begin to play. There's also something that wasn't shown. I was quite responsible for the Cedrek vote-out. When that vote happened, I was like, “Guys, let's do Cedrek. I want to work with you guys. I don't want to work with him. I don't trust him. He's a liability. I want him out.”
They were like, “All right, that's great, Mary, but you are going to have to make him feel comfortable. You are the one who's linking him with us right now.” And so I was like, “I got you.” So I made Cedrek feel safe enough where he didn't play a Shot in the Dark. But yeah, I felt so free. You know that picture of Nicole Kidman after she gets divorced from Tom Cruise? That's how I felt when Cedrek and Sai were gone.
Anything else that happened out there that didn’t make it to TV that you wish we had seen?
I just want to say, I did not intentionally manipulate David. Sorry to disappoint the fans, but I am not chaotic evil. I'm chaotic good. David did not need to be manipulated. He liked me and trusted me. And I also don't have any regrets with working with him because honestly, trying to work with Kamilla, Mitch, Chrissy and Star would've been like herding cats.
Also, I just want everyone listening to this to remember: I have a lot of grace for myself, but I extend that grace to my fellow players. Everybody was playing for the first time. Everybody was making the move that they thought was best for them, and that's all you can do.
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David isn't gonna be controlled.
Joe and Eva will stick together.
Mitch should be pissed and isn't. Kamilla should be pissed at Kyle.
I think this cast sucks.
Mary deserves at the very least favorite money.
BTW, another thing that grinds my gears.....people who talk about having the time to spend with their kids.......after they leave them for months to be on a game show.
At this point, Jury Management becomes key.
Just watched Wednesday night's episode and I'm pissed. I haven't yelled this much at my TV in a while.
Last night, without question was the time to blindside Joe! Mary was playing a great strategy, but with no one listening.
I'll give a pass to Shauhin, he thinks he can win at final 3.
Kyle is playing so selfishly. He says he's in a final 2 with Kamilla but leaves her out to hang week after week.
Mitch is playing stupid scared. What does he have to lose crossing the group? He knows he's on the outside!
Kamilla the same, but she needed Kyle to pull his head out.
Joe pissed me off. He's telling one of the people he plans to vote for that they should be willing to take a vote to protect him? Then he's ticked they won't?
I have come to hate Eva. She is so condescending and cocky, after playing up the sympathy card earlier....and she'll probably win!
David was showing his loyalty for Mary. A 21 gun salute for her. He must be miserable at Ponderosa. This may be an angry jury year.
True. Editing 24 hours into an hour and a half does eliminate a lot.
I don't know whether it was last night or last week when Eva said she'd use her idol to save Joe.
But it's a shame. They weren't playing Survivor.
Wonder how intelligent David is.
I think there was much more happening than what we saw.
If they really were planning on voting out Joe, I am convinced that Eva would have used her idol. Maybe that would have been an even better reason to vote for him to flush the idol but then you still have a strong player and now an angry one.
The coming attractions are interesting. Kyle tells Joe that Shaohin flipped but we can see by the votes that he did not.
What was going on with David (jury member). Was he making a statement by standing after Mary was voted out? The jury is supposed to act invisible and by him standing he was making a statement without saying a word.
What's with the niceties? Doesn't the tribe realize the game, at this point, has become cut--throat? Mary's gone, her advice was spot-on, and Joe remains---a threat. Eva and he can win challenges. Who's next to go? My guess is Mitch. That leaves five, and Kyle will probably opt to take out Kamilla, leaving Joe, Eva, Shauhin, and him as the final four. Disappointing.
You're forgiven. There's nothing more to say. The matter is closed.
LOL....feel free to send one on the weekend when they open the door to all. I don't know what I said that was so offensive, but apparently you have something on your mind to say to me.
I'm hard as nails. Only a softy would be troubled. But be thankful I'm not a subscriber and can't send PM's.
I guess. Did I hurt your feelings?
IHUB was having glitches that day Guess you were too.
What the heck?? That was meant for bullnbear.
The last one I thought went publicly......IHUB was having glitches that day
Are you so bored with life that you need to extend this diatribe?
On May 1, I posted: Solved. I did. I need to go to jury for that.
You replied with not one, but two posts, both the same yet with a different time stamp calling me an unworthy name because I made a mistake.
Life is filled with mistakes. But, you, fung_derf, have probably never made one in your life.
Opps! Weird now my posts aren't showing or going? posted by you on May 1, 5:29pm.
I have no clue what you're talking about. I just did an advanced search and show no pm's ever sent to you.
What did I supposedly say about your character?
Pity I deleted your 2 PM's making an accusation as to my character. But I chuckled when I read them, so you're forgiven for your grievousness.
crude?? What did I say?
Oops! Did I in my haste put a 'c' in front of the 'r'? Apologies, fung.
Derfie crude????
Yeah that’s probably true.
Alas, fung was being crude, but I took it as humor.
You’re welcome????
Hard to say with all the editing.
I sure agree with your PM. Thanks to Susie, not you, I fixed it.
Kyle talks too much. He's going to be overheard talking to Kamilla, and he's a goner. No one likes being duped.
So, Star didn't have an advantage other than her shot in the dark.
She went yesterday from my favorite who had no chance to that numbskull who is neither underthinking or overthinking, but just not thinking.
Mary has the most laissez faire attitude ever. She has played this entire game on a day to day basis which has been great so far for her. She thought she found a savior in David, but he blew up his own game and any chance she had.
I have come to really dislike Eva. Everyone treats her with kid gloves and now she has become extremely cocky about it. I hate the players who when in control are cocky, when they come under fire, act like a victim. Watch, if she doesn't win, it will happen with her. Something you see more on Big Brother.
Poor Mitch can't catch a break, but right now it's his own fault. He doesn't know who to trust and I understand his not wanting to go after "his group", but he GOT to see he's the extra guy who will get cut first. It's a series of decisions every time there are an odd number of people and he needs to figure how to be the swing vote.
Kyle is playing a great game......until he isn't. He may win it all or get caught in many lies.
Weird now my posts aren't showing or going?
At least when I posted to toys
Thanks for letting me know what I might have done.
You aren’t the first person to do that and you probably aren’t the last.
Solved. I did. I need to go to jury for that.
That must be the problem. Do you know how I unignore?
I see them all.
Did you put yourself on ignore?
I did that once and still don’t know how
My previous posts don't exist.
If you look now, the two posts don't exist on the subject list.
Last night after I wrote my post, I wanted to edit it and it was gone. Then I looked at all the posts. Mine are all gone. Even now, I looked, none are there. That's the reason for the post. I even posted on Soundhound where fung posts and wrote: Ousted. That post has disappeared.
Nothing like trouble in Paradise.
Over so many years, so many contestants leave with their advantage. Overconfident they won't be voted off?
Ousted from where?
David sure sent angry looks to the tribe.
Whoa! If looks could kill!
Ten minutes into the game I was worried for Joe because he seemed too confident.
That particular immunity challenge looks so stressful. I would have given up so quickly, which is why I could never be on Survivor!
Star should have used shot in the dark. She knew she had a 50/50 shot of going so why hold onto it.
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