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Here's Stanton's bio from Bloomberg's Businessweek.
Look at the number of times the word SERVES comes up.
I took the liberty of adding a line at the end.
Mr. John D. Stanton, Jon has been the Vice President of Government Affairs at SolarCity Corporation since March 2010. Mr. Stanton oversees SolarCity's work with federal and state government organizations on a wide range of renewable energy policy issues. Mr. Stanton has been the Chairman and Chief Financial Officer of Nanobac Pharmaceuticals Inc. since March 2001, Chief Executive Officer since July 23, 2004 and also serves as its Principal Accounting Officer. He serves ... as the Chief Executive Officer at Alternafuels, Inc. Mr. Stanton has been the Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer and President of PanGenex Corporation since July 2009. He serves as President of Octofoil Inc. He served as the Chairman of Bulova Technologies Group Inc. from July 1, 2007 to July 12, 2011, and served as its Principal Financial Officer until July 12, 2011. He served as Vice President for Energy, Climate and Transportation Programs at National Environmental Trust (NET). Prior to NET, he served as Legislative Counsel for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, where he advised Congress on the Clean Air Act. He served as the Chairman of Earthfirst Technologies Inc., (formerly, Toups Technology Licensing Inc.) since May 15, 2000, Chief Executive Officer since February 13, 2006 and from August 2002 to May 2005, President since February 13, 2006 and from August 2002 to October 9, 2003 and also served as its Chief Financial Officer. He served as Secretary of PanGenex Corporation. He served as the Chief Executive Officer of Renew Energy Resources, Inc., from May 2007 to January 21, 2008. He served as the Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of American Enterprise Corporation. Mr. Stanton served as Chairman of the Board of PowerCerv Corp. and served as its Chief Executive Officer until September 22, 2005. Mr. Stanton served as President and Chief Financial Officer of PowerCerv Corp. He served as Chief Executive Officer of Nanobac Pharmaceuticals Inc. from March 2001 to January 2004. Mr. Stanton served as Chief Financial Officer of Nanobac Life Sciences Inc., since March 2001, Chief Executive Officer since July 2004 and also served as its President. Since 1990, Mr. Stanton was involved in turn-around management for financially distressed companies, providing both management guidance and financing. Since 1981, Mr. Stanton served as Chief Financial Officer for Florida Engineered Construction Products Corp. Mr. Stanton served as President and Chief Executive Officer of Florida Engineered Construction Products Corp. since 1987. Mr. Stanton served as Chairman of Centrics Holdings Corporation since December 23, 2003 and also served as its Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial Officer. He served as the Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of White Knight Publications Inc. (now White Knight SST, Inc.), a subsidiary of Centrics Holdings Corporation. Mr. Stanton worked as an Auditor with the international professional services firm, Ernst & Young LLP from 1973 to 1981. Mr. Stanton has been Chairman of the Board of US Energy Initiatives Corporation (formerly, Hybrid Fuel Systems Inc.) since December 23, 2003. He has been Chairman of Renew Energy Resources, Inc. since May 2007. He serves as Chairman of SolarDiesel Corporation and AlternaFuels. Inc. He serves as Assistant Chairman of Board of Directors at MTS Medication Technologies, Inc. Mr. Stanton served as Chairman of Nanobac Life Sciences Inc. since March 2001. He served as Chairman of the Board of Zeons Corporation. He served as a Co-Chairman of Nanobac Pharmaceuticals, Inc. since March 30, 2006 and served as its Executive Chairman from March 2001 to March 30, 2006. He served as Vice Chairman of MTS Medication Technologies Inc., (formerly, Medical Technology Systems Inc.). He has been Director of MTS Medication Technologies Inc. since 1996. He has been an Executive Director of Nanobac Pharmaceuticals, Inc. since March 1, 2001. He serves as a Director of Nanobac Life Sciences, Inc. and Bulova Technologies Group, Inc. Mr. Stanton serves as a Director of Med-Tech. He serves as a Director f The Online Outpost Licensing Corporation. He has been Director of Renew Energy Resources, Inc. since May 8, 2007. He serves as a Director of Zeons Corporation. He has been Director of PanGenex Corporation since March 2007. He serves as Director of He serves as a Director and Member of Military Advisory Board of US Energy Initiatives Corporation. He served as a Director at ioWorldMedia, Inc. until April 2011. He served as a Director of Centrics Holdings Corporation. He was an Executive Vice President and General Counsel at Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA), where he oversaw legal and government affairs for the solar industry's pre-eminent trade association. He played a pivotal role in the 8-year extension of the solar investment tax credit (ITC), the most significant legislation in the industry's history. He is a Vietnam veteran of the United States Army. Mr. Stanton earned the designation of Certified Public Accountant in 1974 and was a Sells Award winner in the Certified Public Accountant examination. Mr. Stanton graduated from the University of South Florida with a Bachelors Degree in Marketing and Accounting in 1972 and holds an MBA in 1973. Presently, he SERVES time in a federal prison.
yeah, I realize that, it was just a rhetorical question, since I also was not sure how far the Toups apple had fallen from the tree when you first asked.....but as someone who was once associated with Stanton, I was skeptical (also since he was still involved in penny stocks)....just didn't have anything too concrete to show it at the time....
now it seems we have more evidence that the apple did not fall very far at all......shocker.....
peace out!!!!
http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaeltoups
Michael Toups
CFO
Tampa/St. Petersburg, Florida Area Capital Markets
CFO, Director
EarthFirst Technologies
June 1997 – January 2001 (3 years 8 months)
Tampa, FL
Commercialization and manufacturing of environmental and alternative fuels technologies.
• Launched company from concept and directed strategic planning through public listing
• Established and managed multiple departments - finance, administration, sales, marketing
• Prepared financial statements according to GAAP standards, managed SEC filings, corporate governance and investor relations for publicly listed company
CFO
Longwei Petroleum Investment Holding Ltd.
June 2010 – Present (2 years 8 months) Taiyuan City, Shanxi Province, China
• China-based petroleum distributor and wholesaler; $500 million annual revenues
• Manage all financial functions, including financial management, financial reporting, risk management, and management and oversight of financial budget, SEC compliance
• Negotiating $110 million USD petroleum storage facility acquisition
Managing Director, Asia Investment Banking
1. I had asked about Michael, not the father, and you did not provide any information that was unknown to me.
2. I also never defended M. Toups.
3. I have no position in LPH and have not had one in a long time.
re: "how do you feel about Toups now????"
how do you feel about Toups now????
(he has 14 mentions in this LPH piece)
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1092561-longwei-petroleum-the-most-brazen-china-based-u-s-listed-rto-to-date?source=feed
The following photo of the entrance to LPH's corporate office (where CFO Mike Toups claims to spend half the year working) was taken from our Camera 2 on December 2, 2012:
Mr. Gentry then asks LPH CFO Mike Toups:
"To what extent have you verified what we're seeing on the ground what we're told in the financials is accurate?"
Mr. Toups replies:
"Dave, I've spent a considerable amount of time here in Taiyuan City working with the company, working with the management. I've really rolled up my sleeves in terms of understanding the financials…"
Mr. Toups then announces that LPH would set up webcams on its new website so investors could view the facilities and see the tanker trucks fueling. Nine months later, after repeatedly making excuses for delays
Our video surveillance proves that CFO Mike Toups' claim of 50-60 trucks per day fueling at LPH's Taiyuan facility is an outrageous exaggeration that Mr. Toups should be well aware of every time he visited the nearly idle Taiyuan facility. The real reason LPH never installed the webcams is because they have no business to film, as we observed during our 7 weeks of time-lapse video surveillance. LPH is defrauding its investors, just like China Integrated Energy, only on an even larger scale.
etc, etc
Prosecutors said Stanton drained the company of at least $43 million, directing cash to himself or shell companies he controlled
Will there be any attempts to go after whatever monies that are available in the pinks that he got involved with?
There's still 161M preferreds held in his name that RNDR is trying to get back.
Jurors find former Cast-Crete president Stanton guilty in tax case
By William R. Levesque, Times Staff Writer
Posted: Dec 17, 2012 05:24 PM
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/stanton-found-guilty-in-tax-case/1266521
TAMPA — John D. Stanton III's attorney told jurors his tax case was about the envy of enemies upset at his enormous success as president of Cast-Crete Inc.
A jury instead sided with prosecutors who said the case was about something else: greed.
Jurors deliberated four hours Monday before returning a guilty verdict against Stanton on eight charges that he failed to file corporate and personal income taxes in the last decade and obstructed the IRS even as the Seffner building-supply company earned record profits.
Stanton, 64, stared straight ahead, showing no emotion as a clerk read the verdict. In court behind him, his pregnant girlfriend quietly sobbed, covering her mouth with a hand in shock.
Stanton, jailed as a flight risk since his September arrest, turned in his chair and told supporters, "Stay positive."
U.S. District Court Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington scheduled Stanton's sentencing for March 7 and could impose a prison term of up to 10 years. Stanton's son said the family expects an appeal of the verdict.
"He's a good person," said the son, John D. Stanton IV. "And I love him."
Shea Hughes, whose father, Ralph Hughes, was chairman of the board at Cast-Crete until his death in 2008, said he was saddened by the ruin of Stanton, a man he once respected.
"I think it's a shame that so many people got hurt," said Hughes, who had not worked for Cast-Crete before his father's death but now serves as its president. "I think justice was done."
Hughes, 51, said he will never understand why Stanton decided to ignore the taxes and take the path he did. "I don't think John understands either," he said.
The elder Hughes was a power in Hillsborough County politics, using his money and influence to back candidates who supported small government and low taxes.
Cast-Crete is today on the rebound, though its current revenues of $24 million are a far cry from its peak of $150 million a few years ago. It employs 135 people, down from 450.
This year, the company expects to earn a profit of $2.5 million. But the IRS will get every penny of profit this year and for years to come, Hughes said, until it recovers $140 million owed in back taxes, interest and penalties.
Prosecutors said Stanton drained the company of at least $43 million, directing cash to himself or shell companies he controlled. With payments to Ralph Hughes, prosecutors said, Cast-Crete was near bankrupt with nothing left to pay the IRS.
But rather than shutter the company, force layoffs and auction assets, the IRS allowed a new management team headed by Shea Hughes to bring Cast-Crete back from the brink.
"This is a case about greed," prosecutor Matthew Mueller said in his closing argument. Mueller, who tried the case with lead prosecutor Robert Monk, told jurors that Stanton failed in the "simplest, most basic obligation of our nation's tax laws."
Stanton's attorney, Paul DeCailly, told jurors his client rightfully earned the money he took out of Cast-Crete as a part-owner. He scoffed at prosecutors' mention of luxury cars and homes Stanton purchased.
"So what?" DeCailly said. "It's not illegal to own a new car. It's not illegal to own an old and beat-up car. ... He earned the cash. It was his cash."
He then added, "There is no evidence of greed in this case."
DeCailly sought to shift the blame for the unfiled taxes to Ralph Hughes, who also took millions of dollars from Cast-Crete as majority owner, and the obstruction of the IRS to the company's financial controller, who admitted embezzling funds from Cast-Crete.
Stanton testified the situation at Cast-Crete was so confused, including incomplete plans of a merger with other companies, he decided it was better to file taxes late than to file inaccurately.
As jurors left the courthouse in downtown Tampa, it's unlikely any would have taken time to admire the large, concrete panels adorning the building's face.
Cast-Crete made them.
William R. Levesque can be reached at levesque@tampabay.com
[Last modified: Dec 17, 2012 07:52 PM]
Copyright 2012 Tampa Bay Times
nice to see some justice served on STANTON......guilty on ALL counts!!!!
thanks for the updates.......that's a sticky for sure....
12/17/2012 55 JURY VERDICT as to John D. Stanton III. Guilty on Counts 1-8. (LYB) (Entered: 12/17/2012)
Doc 55 PDF file
http://www.scribd.com/doc/117181728/USA-v-Stanton-Doc-55-Filed-17-Dec-12
Pacer update 13 Dec 12 USA v. Stanton CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:12-cr-00343-VMC-AEP-1
https://ecf.flmd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/iquery.pl
Date Filed # Docket Text
12/17/2012 59 NOTICE OF HEARING as to John D. Stanton, III. Sentencing set for 3/7/2013 at 11:00AM in Tampa Courtroom 14 B before Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington. (LYB) (Entered: 12/17/2012)
12/17/2012 58 DEFENDANT'S TRIAL EXHIBIT LIST (LYB) (Entered: 12/17/2012)
12/17/2012 57 GOVERNMENT'S TRIAL EXHIBIT LIST as to John D. Stanton, III (LYB) (Entered: 12/17/2012)
12/17/2012 56 Court's exhibit list as to John D. Stanton, III (LYB) (Entered: 12/17/2012)
12/17/2012 55 JURY VERDICT as to John D. Stanton III. Guilty on Counts 1-8. (LYB) (Entered: 12/17/2012)
12/17/2012 54 Minute Entry for proceedings held before Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington: JURY TRIAL (DAY SIX) as to John D. Stanton, III held on 12/17/2012. Defendant found guilty as to Counts ONE through EIGHT of the Indictment. Sentencing set for March 7, 2013, at 11:00 a.m. Court Reporter: Paul Spangler (LYB) (Entered: 12/17/2012)
12/14/2012 53 Minute Entry for proceedings held before Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington: denying 52 Motion for acquittal as to John D. Stanton III (1); JURY TRIAL (DAY FIVE) as to John D. Stanton, III held on 12/14/2012. Court Reporter: Paul Spangler (LYB) (Entered: 12/14/2012)
12/14/2012 52 ORAL MOTION for Judgment of Acquittal; RENEWED ORAL MOTION for Judgment of Acquittal by John D. Stanton, III. (LYB) (Entered: 12/14/2012)
12/13/2012 51 Minute Entry for proceedings held before Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington: JURY TRIAL (DAY FOUR) as to John D. Stanton, III held on 12/13/2012. Court Reporter: Paul Spangler (LYB) (Entered: 12/13/2012)
U.S. District Court
Middle District of Florida (Tampa)
CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:12-cr-00343-VMC-AEP-1
Case title: USA v. Stanton
Date Filed: 08/15/2012
Assigned to: Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington
Referred to: Magistrate Judge Anthony E. Porcelli
Defendant (1)
John D. Stanton, III
represented by Paul DeCailly
DeCailly Law Group, PA
19455 Gulf Blvd.
Suite 8
Indian Shores, FL 33785
727/824-7709
Email: pdecailly@dlg4me.com
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED
Designation: Retained
Pending Counts
Disposition
26:7212A.F CORRUPT OR FORCIBLE INTERFERENCE
(1)
26:7203D.F WILLFUL FAILURE TO FILE RETURN/INFORMATION, ETC.
(2-8)
Highest Offense Level (Opening)
Felony
Plaintiff
USA
represented by Robert Monk
U.S. Attorney's Office
Middle District of Florida
400 N. Tampa St., Suite 3200
Tampa, FL 33602
813/274-6000
Fax: 813/274-6103
Email: robert.monk@usdoj.gov
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED
https://ecf.flmd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/iquery.pl
12/13/2012 50 EXHIBIT LIST by John D. Stanton, III (DeCailly, Paul) (Entered: 12/13/2012)
Doc 50 PDF file
http://www.scribd.com/doc/116712934/USA-v-Stanton-Doc-50-Filed-13-Dec-12
Pacer update 13 Dec 12 USA v. Stanton CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:12-cr-00343-VMC-AEP-1
https://ecf.flmd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/iquery.pl
Date Filed # Docket Text
12/13/2012 50 EXHIBIT LIST by John D. Stanton, III (DeCailly, Paul) (Entered: 12/13/2012)
U.S. District Court
Middle District of Florida (Tampa)
CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:12-cr-00343-VMC-AEP-1
Case title: USA v. Stanton
Date Filed: 08/15/2012
Assigned to: Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington
Referred to: Magistrate Judge Anthony E. Porcelli
Defendant (1)
John D. Stanton, III
represented by Paul DeCailly
DeCailly Law Group, PA
19455 Gulf Blvd.
Suite 8
Indian Shores, FL 33785
727/824-7709
Email: pdecailly@dlg4me.com
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED
Designation: Retained
Pending Counts
Disposition
26:7212A.F CORRUPT OR FORCIBLE INTERFERENCE
(1)
26:7203D.F WILLFUL FAILURE TO FILE RETURN/INFORMATION, ETC.
(2-8)
Highest Offense Level (Opening)
Felony
Plaintiff
USA
represented by Robert Monk
U.S. Attorney's Office
Middle District of Florida
400 N. Tampa St., Suite 3200
Tampa, FL 33602
813/274-6000
Fax: 813/274-6103
Email: robert.monk@usdoj.gov
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED
https://ecf.flmd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/iquery.pl
LOL Two days of non trial.
Where's the video feed, scion? lol
12/10/2012 47 Minute Entry for proceedings held before Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington: JURY TRIAL (DAY 1) as to John D. Stanton, III held on 12/10/2012. Court Reporter: Paul Spangler (LYB) (Entered: 12/10/2012)
Doc 47 PDF file
http://www.scribd.com/doc/116554894/USA-v-Stanton-Doc-47-Filed-10-Dec-12
12/11/2012 48 Minute Entry for proceedings held before Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington: JURY TRIAL (DAY TWO) as to John D. Stanton, III held on 12/11/2012. Court Reporter: Paul Spangler (LYB) (Entered: 12/11/2012)
Doc 48 PDF file
http://www.scribd.com/doc/116554994/USA-v-Stanton-Doc-48-Filed-10-Dec-12
Pacer update 05 Dec 12 USA v. Stanton CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:12-cr-00343-VMC-AEP-1
https://ecf.flmd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/iquery.pl
Date Filed # Docket Text
12/11/2012 48 Minute Entry for proceedings held before Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington: JURY TRIAL (DAY TWO) as to John D. Stanton, III held on 12/11/2012. Court Reporter: Paul Spangler (LYB) (Entered: 12/11/2012)
12/10/2012 47 Minute Entry for proceedings held before Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington: JURY TRIAL (DAY 1) as to John D. Stanton, III held on 12/10/2012. Court Reporter: Paul Spangler (LYB) (Entered: 12/10/2012)
12/07/2012 46 EXHIBIT LIST by John D. Stanton, III (DeCailly, Paul) (Entered: 12/07/2012)
12/07/2012 45 WITNESS LIST by John D. Stanton, III (DeCailly, Paul) (Entered: 12/07/2012)
12/07/2012 44 WITNESS LIST by USA as to John D. Stanton, III (Monk, Robert) (Entered: 12/07/2012)
12/07/2012 43 EXHIBIT LIST by USA as to John D. Stanton, III (Monk, Robert) (Entered: 12/07/2012)
U.S. District Court
Middle District of Florida (Tampa)
CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:12-cr-00343-VMC-AEP-1
Case title: USA v. Stanton
Date Filed: 08/15/2012
Assigned to: Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington
Referred to: Magistrate Judge Anthony E. Porcelli
Defendant (1)
John D. Stanton, III
represented by Paul DeCailly
DeCailly Law Group, PA
19455 Gulf Blvd.
Suite 8
Indian Shores, FL 33785
727/824-7709
Email: pdecailly@dlg4me.com
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED
Designation: Retained
Pending Counts
Disposition
26:7212A.F CORRUPT OR FORCIBLE INTERFERENCE
(1)
26:7203D.F WILLFUL FAILURE TO FILE RETURN/INFORMATION, ETC.
(2-8)
Highest Offense Level (Opening)
Felony
Plaintiff
USA
represented by Robert Monk
U.S. Attorney's Office
Middle District of Florida
400 N. Tampa St., Suite 3200
Tampa, FL 33602
813/274-6000
Fax: 813/274-6103
Email: robert.monk@usdoj.gov
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED
https://ecf.flmd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/iquery.pl
Looks like Monk is going to earn his salary.
He better not take shares in pinksheet companies as payment. ( :
12/05/2012 42 RESPONSE in opposition by USA as to John D. Stanton, III re 41 Motion in limine to exclude evidence of flight (Monk, Robert) (Entered: 12/05/2012)
Doc 42 PDF file
http://www.scribd.com/doc/115922317/USA-v-Stanton-Doc-42-Filed-05-Dec-12
Pacer update 05 Dec 12 USA v. Stanton CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:12-cr-00343-VMC-AEP-1
https://ecf.flmd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/iquery.pl
Date Filed # Docket Text
12/05/2012 42 RESPONSE in opposition by USA as to John D. Stanton, III re 41 Motion in limine to exclude evidence of flight (Monk, Robert) (Entered: 12/05/2012)
12/04/2012 41 MOTION in limine to exclude evidence of Defendant's Family Court Contempt and Evidence of Flight by John D. Stanton, III. (DeCailly, Paul) (Entered: 12/04/2012)
12/04/2012 40 RESPONSE in opposition by John D. Stanton, III re 36 Motion in limine to preclude defense opening statement (DeCailly, Paul) (Entered: 12/04/2012)
12/04/2012 39 NOTICE of filing declaration of authentication of business records by USA as to John D. Stanton, III (Monk, Robert) (Entered: 12/04/2012)
12/04/2012 38 RESPONSE 34 Order by USA as to John D. Stanton, III (Monk, Robert) (Entered: 12/04/2012)
12/03/2012 37 PROPOSED VOIR DIRE questions by John D. Stanton, III (DeCailly, Paul) (Entered: 12/03/2012)
12/03/2012 36 MOTION in limine to preclude improper opening statement and irrelevant evidence by USA as to John D. Stanton, III. (Monk, Robert) (Entered: 12/03/2012)
12/03/2012 35 PROPOSED VOIR DIRE questions by USA as to John D. Stanton, III (Monk, Robert) (Entered: 12/03/2012)
11/30/2012 34 ENDORSED ORDER: The Government filed proposed jury instructions on November 23, 2012, 28 . The Government is directed to provide any additional legal support it may have for the following proposed jury instructions on or before December 5, 2012: (1) "Middle District of Florida, Special, Officer Liability - Limitations Thereof," (2) "Middle District of Florida, Special 8, Deliberate Ignorance (As Proof of Knowledge)," (3) "Middle District of Florida, Special, False Exculpatory," and (4) "Corporate Obligation to File Tax Returns." The Court notes that the defendant has not provided any proposed jury instructions, and the deadline for the parties to file such instructions has passed. Signed by Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington on 11/30/2012. (MEB) (Entered: 11/30/2012)
U.S. District Court
Middle District of Florida (Tampa)
CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:12-cr-00343-VMC-AEP-1
Case title: USA v. Stanton
Date Filed: 08/15/2012
Assigned to: Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington
Referred to: Magistrate Judge Anthony E. Porcelli
Defendant (1)
John D. Stanton, III
represented by Paul DeCailly
DeCailly Law Group, PA
19455 Gulf Blvd.
Suite 8
Indian Shores, FL 33785
727/824-7709
Email: pdecailly@dlg4me.com
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED
Designation: Retained
Pending Counts
Disposition
26:7212A.F CORRUPT OR FORCIBLE INTERFERENCE
(1)
26:7203D.F WILLFUL FAILURE TO FILE RETURN/INFORMATION, ETC.
(2-8)
Highest Offense Level (Opening)
Felony
Plaintiff
USA
represented by Robert Monk
U.S. Attorney's Office
Middle District of Florida
400 N. Tampa St., Suite 3200
Tampa, FL 33602
813/274-6000
Fax: 813/274-6103
Email: robert.monk@usdoj.gov
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED
https://ecf.flmd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/iquery.pl
looks like a slam dunk.....I wonder what other legal issues await for his other antics, such as fleeing from the bankruptcy and child support courts......
11/28/2012 30 PROPOSED verdict form filed by USA as to John D. Stanton, III (Monk, Robert) (Entered: 11/28/2012)
Doc 30 PDF file
http://www.scribd.com/doc/114934583/USA-v-Stanton-Doc-30-Filed-28-Nov-12
Pacer update 28 Nov 12 USA v. Stanton CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:12-cr-00343-VMC-AEP-1
https://ecf.flmd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/iquery.pl
Date Filed # Docket Text
11/28/2012 32 ORDER granting 31 motion to allow electronic equipment as to John D. Stanton III. Counsel is directed to bring a copy of this Order with them upon entering the Courthouse. Signed by Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington on 11/28/2012. (LYB) (Entered: 11/28/2012)
11/28/2012 31 MOTION to allow electronic equipment, specifically laptop computer and cellular telephone by USA as to John D. Stanton, III. (Monk, Robert) (Entered: 11/28/2012)
11/28/2012 30 PROPOSED verdict form filed by USA as to John D. Stanton, III (Monk, Robert) (Entered: 11/28/2012)
11/26/2012 29 TRIAL CALENDAR for trial term December as to John D. Stanton, III Jury Trial set for date certain: 12/10/2012 at 9:00 AM in Tampa Courtroom 14 B before Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington. Signed by Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington on 11/26/2012. (LYB) (Entered: 11/26/2012)
U.S. District Court
Middle District of Florida (Tampa)
CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:12-cr-00343-VMC-AEP-1
Case title: USA v. Stanton
Date Filed: 08/15/2012
Assigned to: Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington
Referred to: Magistrate Judge Anthony E. Porcelli
Defendant (1)
John D. Stanton, III
represented by Paul DeCailly
DeCailly Law Group, PA
19455 Gulf Blvd.
Suite 8
Indian Shores, FL 33785
727/824-7709
Email: pdecailly@dlg4me.com
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED
Designation: Retained
Pending Counts
Disposition
26:7212A.F CORRUPT OR FORCIBLE INTERFERENCE
(1)
26:7203D.F WILLFUL FAILURE TO FILE RETURN/INFORMATION, ETC.
(2-8)
Highest Offense Level (Opening)
Felony
Plaintiff
USA
represented by Robert Monk
U.S. Attorney's Office
Middle District of Florida
400 N. Tampa St., Suite 3200
Tampa, FL 33602
813/274-6000
Fax: 813/274-6103
Email: robert.monk@usdoj.gov
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED
https://ecf.flmd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/iquery.pl
Thanks Scion - Here is a quote from the link:
11/23/2012 28 PROPOSED JURY INSTRUCTIONS by USA as to John D. Stanton, III (Monk, Robert) (Entered: 11/23/2012)
Doc 28 PDF file
http://www.scribd.com/doc/114464642/USA-v-Stanton-Doc-28-Filed-23-Nov-12
Pacer update 23 Nov 12 USA v. Stanton CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:12-cr-00343-VMC-AEP-1
https://ecf.flmd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/iquery.pl
Date Filed # Docket Text
11/23/2012 28 PROPOSED JURY INSTRUCTIONS by USA as to John D. Stanton, III (Monk, Robert) (Entered: 11/23/2012)
U.S. District Court
Middle District of Florida (Tampa)
CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:12-cr-00343-VMC-AEP-1
Case title: USA v. Stanton
Date Filed: 08/15/2012
Assigned to: Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington
Referred to: Magistrate Judge Anthony E. Porcelli
Defendant (1)
John D. Stanton, III
represented by Paul DeCailly
DeCailly Law Group, PA
19455 Gulf Blvd.
Suite 8
Indian Shores, FL 33785
727/824-7709
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USA
represented by Robert Monk
U.S. Attorney's Office
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Go directly to jail.
Do not pass GO.
Do not collect $200
Or anymore money from pinky gamblers, for that matter!
Pacer update 20 Nov 12 USA v. Stanton CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:12-cr-00343-VMC-AEP-1
https://ecf.flmd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/iquery.pl
Date Filed # Docket Text
11/20/2012 27 ORDER: Defendant John D. Stanton, III's Motion to Dismiss 18 is DENIED. Signed by Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington on 11/20/2012. (MEB) (Entered: 11/20/2012)
U.S. District Court
Middle District of Florida (Tampa)
CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:12-cr-00343-VMC-AEP-1
Case title: USA v. Stanton
Date Filed: 08/15/2012
Assigned to: Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington
Referred to: Magistrate Judge Anthony E. Porcelli
Defendant (1)
John D. Stanton, III
represented by Paul DeCailly
DeCailly Law Group, PA
19455 Gulf Blvd.
Suite 8
Indian Shores, FL 33785
727/824-7709
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(2-8)
Highest Offense Level (Opening)
Felony
Plaintiff
USA
represented by Robert Monk
U.S. Attorney's Office
Middle District of Florida
400 N. Tampa St., Suite 3200
Tampa, FL 33602
813/274-6000
Fax: 813/274-6103
Email: robert.monk@usdoj.gov
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I'm waiting for the sentencing. ( :
Somehow, I feel that we haven't heard the last from him.
GL
Bob
I'm not familiar with BK lingo. ( :
Either way, it's good to hear Stanton news.
It looks like an error by the writer. The way that I read it is that those "properties" were all in bankruptcy and the cases were joined with the bankruptcy case of the official owner of the Cascrete plant - EME Modular Structures Inc.
GL
Bob
I know, Bob. It just doesn't read right. Do you think it was an error?
The post was copied straight from the link.
GL
Bob
"properties" or parties?
The other properties included in the bankruptcy is EarthFirst Technologies Inc., Electric Machinery Enterprises Inc., World Environmental Solutions Company Inc. and Solar Diesel Corporation. Those cases were consolidated in July 2008
Castcrete plant's sale before federal court
They must think that DynaPep makes great Koolaid!
GLTA
Bob
I take it you think the figures tossed around aren't realistic?
Or even true?
Remember, sime of them are just "expectations". ( ;
If Stanton is no longer running RNDR, he has taught his replacements well. Just read the farcical PR put out by the company this morning:
Farcical PR
GLTA
Bob
Commissary Account Balance: $766.76
Leon Toups, of Toups Technology, which "became" EFTI....looks like he had a son Michael.....not sure how connected the son was to Stanton....
http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaeltoups
CFO, Director
EarthFirst Technologies
June 1997 – January 2001 (3 years 8 months)
Tampa, FL
Commercialization and manufacturing of environmental and alternative fuels technologies.
• Launched company from concept and directed strategic planning through public listing
• Established and managed multiple departments - finance, administration, sales, marketing
• Prepared financial statements according to GAAP standards, managed SEC filings, corporate governance and investor relations for publicly listed company
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/09/10/Northpinellas/Loved_ones_celebrate_.shtml
PS: Cast-Crete was supposed to merge with EFTI, Stanton's penny stock "flagship"....forget if that was after Leon Toups passed....
Key Executives for EarthFirst Technologies Inc (EFTI)
John D Stanton
Chairman
Jaime Jurado
Vice Chairman
Leon H Toups
President/CEO/Co-Founder
Frank W Barker Jr
Chief Financial Officer
http://google.brand.edgar-online.com/default.aspx?companyid=6764&formtypeId=335
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/subject.aspx?subjectid=21673
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/EFTI:US/profile
Yes, I do. Whether they'll bother, I don't know.
We've yet to find out what's going on with this transition.
Don't you think Rounder needs to change their name? Rounder will always be associated with poker, Vegas, entertainment, and Stanton. It reminds me of when Allied Signal bought Honeywell, where I spent 10 years working after I left Cast Crete. There is still Honeywell, but no Allied Signal because their name was mud at the time. It just doesn't make sense to me to continue the name for a energy drink unless you market it to stay awake for 20 hours of gambling.
RNDR going to .05 or higher stanton is out
More Stanton fallout. This time, RNDR.
Rounder Inc. Announces Plans
WASHINGTON, Oct 05, 2012 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Rounder, Inc (Pink OTC Market: RNDR) today announced its plans to increase the number of members on its Board of Directors and to hire a new corporate President, along with other corporate management. The Company has been actively searching for parties to fill available positions since September 16, 2012. An updated business plan will be prepared and once completed it will be made available for public viewing.
The Company's goal is to remove all vestiges of the John Stanton era along with any affiliates and or past associates. Rounder Inc. looks forward to a new era of profit and growth.
Former President and Chairman of the Board of Directors John Stanton filed a bankruptcy petition on December 13, 2011 in Tampa Florida. The case was converted to a Chapter 7 liquidation on February 22, 2012. The court appointed Larry Hyman as the Chapter 7 Trustee. By operation of bankruptcy law, the Chapter 7 Trustee is vested in ownership of all nonexempt property owned by John Stanton as of the bankruptcy filing date. The Trustee has taken steps to recover stock owned by John Stanton for the benefit of the bankruptcy estate and is also pursuing action to recover shares that may have been transferred to affiliates. On October 3, 2012, the Bankruptcy Court held a hearing in which it granted the Trustees motion for a preliminary injunction. The injunction will enjoin the transfer of stock owned by John Stanton. United States Bankruptcy Court, Middle District of Florida, Tampa Division - Case No. 8:11-bk-22675-MGW Chapter 7.
Furthermore Rounder Inc. intends to take legal action to disclaim the debt purportedly owned by Mr. Stanton's affiliated company and or companies. Action has been taken via a demand letter for the return of the shares or the money received and the value of the services given by any affiliated company or companies.
John Stanton had to spend his 64th birthday in jail.
He is just so misunderstood.
http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-news/2012/sep/20/deadbeat-millionaire-stanton-denied-bail-says-hes-ar-507964/
GL
Bob
MLM
Is there a connection between this crook Stanton and Michael Toups (CFO of LPH and a few other companies)?
Michael Toups also lives close (blocks away) to where Stanton's last address in Belleair (in Pinellas County) Florida.
thanks,
CSP
Stanton signed that while a fugitive......what you posted was only the tip of the iceberg, Stanton has been a shady character now for many, many years.....just a sample:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=77301978
indeed....Mr. Birmingham has a long shady history with penny stocks.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=77301691
PS: lol!!!!
Hmmm Mr. Stack met with the management and to the best of his knowledge nobody associated with Rounders Inc is in any legal trouble.
Interesting reading on Norman Birmingham:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/msgsearch.aspx?searchstr=Norman%20Birmingham
GLTA
Bob
Thanks, Bob. Not enough interest shown in Norm.
He deserved so much more, it seems. ( :
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Multi-CEO John Stanton appears to have ties with a large number of companies. These companies include or may include EFTI[.ob] (update: defunct), OSSG[.pk] (update: now GRWT[.pk]), NNBP[.ob], USSE[.pk], SSTP[.pk], RENW[.ob], GSNH[.pk] (update: now DVAR[.pk]), IWDM[.pk], CYBR[.pk], USEI[.ob], ACMG[.pk], GRLY[.ob], NCSH[.ob] (update: now PGXC[.pk]), JMCP[.ob], ONYI.[ob], VTBD.[ob] (update: now REER[.pk]), (update 1/11/09) GETG[.pk] and (update 8/14/09) BLVT[.pk]. These companies have been notorious for destroying shareholder wealth but seem to keep investors' appetites whetted by putting out a continuous stream of press releases announcing deals and events but which most often never come to fruition.
This may not be a complete list of companies related to John Stanton. There also appear to be associations of various forms between all of these companies.
An article also recently appeared in Forbes regarding some the members of this group of companies. The article can be found at...
http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2007/0226/078.html
These companies often (but not always) focus on the socially-appealing "Renewable Energy" sector and tend to spend the vast bulk of their time on pushing the stock of their companies through press releases and promotion agencies such as Redwood Consultants, LLC. While most of these companies indicate that they are close to production, none ever seem to provide any indication that they even have a commercially viable product, few have shown any revenues whatsoever and all are operating significantly in the red. Funding appears to historically have been exclusively from shareholders. Of those that file with the SEC, the reports show that millions of dollars find their way out the door and all these companies seem plagued with setbacks which for various reasons stop them from making any progress toward becoming commercial.
The two exceptions to no revenues is Earthfirst (EFTI) and U. S. Energy Initiatives (USEI). However EFTI generated substantially all of its revenues as an electrical contractor, not through the renewable energy concept it heavily pushes. Likewise, U.S. Energy Initiatives seems to try to market itself as a company providing dual-fuel hybrid conversion kits for diesel engines but substantially all of its revenues seem to be derived from prototyping and designing electronic components. Both of these companies operate at continuous losses despite the revenue contribution of non-core business segments.
Here is a synopsis of some of these companies:
EarthFirst (EFTI.OB}
CEO: John D. Stanton
-604,010,294 shares outstanding, current price $0.10. (Update 8/3/08 current price is $0.003, recently moved to the pink sheets)
-Pushes "Catalytic Activated Vacuum Distillation" or C.A.V.D.
-Tried unsuccessfully for many years to use CAVD to render used tires into useful materials. Still unsuccessful. Currently trying to market a palm oil based biodiesel.
-Formerly Toups Technology, previous shareholders lost the bulk of their money.
-Accumulated Deficit - $71,470,920 (total losses since inception)
Nanobac Pharmaceuticals Inc. (NNBP.OB)
CEO: John D. Stanton
-Attempts to research nanobacteria.
-Hired WallStreetResearch for a research report on Nanobac
9/11/06. $0.10. 12 month target $0.91. Currently: $0.09. (Update 8/3/08 price is $0.017)
-WallStreetResearch used market capitalization prices of companies worth 3 to 7 times Nanobac to estimate Nanobac?s value. The report states the basis for their comparisons in valuing NNBP at $0.91: "All three firms listed in the 'Comp' table are publicly-traded comparables to Nanobac, in that they are all development-stage biopharmaceutical company focused on research and development, reporting recurring losses. Like Nanobac, they also have existing and pending patent applications as well as collaboration agreements with major partners. This is where the similarities end."
- Accumulated Deficit: $20,490,865
IOWorldMedia Inc. (IWDM.PK)
CEO: John D. Stanton
-WallStreetResearch Report 11/8/2006. Price: $0.80. 12-mo target: $2.28. Currently: $0.19. (update 8/3/08 price is $0.038)
-For valuation 'comparables' to estimate IWDM's worth, WallStreetResources used eight other companies as comparisons. Five of these eight companies were Google, Yahoo, Clear Channel Communications, XM Radio and Sirius Radio.
Accumulated Deficit - Non-reporting company.
U. S. Sustainable Energy (USSE.PK)
-CEO John Rivera has significant history with John Stanton.
-John Stanton and John Rivera together own 500 million of the 644 million shares outstanding.
-Company appears to have little in the way of assets other than a 'tube' for what appears to be simply for pyrolysis.
-Mr. Rivera has been working on this concept for at least eight years. Previously he ran an unsuccessful development-stage company called GWE Systems which had the same concept but pyrolyzed waste tires instead of the soybeans he's currently trying to profitably process.
-Got listed on pink sheets by reverse merging with defunct Laforza Automobiles
-Tried to reverse merge with CyberCare but failed. CyberCare shareholders lost all value. Company promised to compensate CyberCare shareholders in terms given with attempted reverse merger with Global Realty but that also failed and finally the company reverse merged with Laforza. CYBR shareholders are 'hopeful' of some compensation. USSE is now planning to reverse merge with Diversified Ethanol (ONYI.OB) to get off the pink sheets. Update: Reverse merger with ONYI.OB failed.
-Hired WallStreetResources to write report. 11/6/06. Price then: $0.42. 12 month estimate: $5.55. Current: $0.20. (update 8/3/08, price is $0.009. CEO John H. Rivera recently received SEC action, complaint for alleged fraud.)
Accumulated Deficit - Too early and company doesn't report.
Sustainable Power Corporation (SSTP.PK).
-500 million shares will be owned by John Stanton and John Rivera when share dividend from USSE paid.
-Created and spun off by USSE. No identifiable assets but market cap purported to be at least $150,000,000 based on the addition of 644,000,000 shares from USSE dividend.
-USSE shareholders are expecting their dividend but currently can only buy SSTP shares on the market. Update: May 2007, SSTP dividend fell through and USSE decided to do a 2:1 split instead to 'compensate' shareholders.
- Accumulated Deficit - Company doesn't report
(Update 8/3/08. Current price $0.029. Controlling shareholder John H. Rivera recently received SEC action, complaint for alleged fraud)
Renewable Energy Resources, Inc. (RENW.OB) (Update: Changed to NGRN.OB, Craig Huffman is the CEO again).
CEO: Kenneth Brown, formerly Craig Huffman
-Appears to have ties to John Stanton
-Company paid EarthFirst (CEO: John Stanton) $100,000 for partial payment of a C.A.V.D. license but never proceeded with anything related.
-Former CEO stepped down, replaced by new CEO coming from EarthFirst.
-Company pushes a "low-impact hydro" unit which is basically a piston-driven machine which runs on water pressure.
-Routinely announces forward-looking press releases which invariably fail to happen. Has been working on concept for six years and currently has no product produced.
-Accumulated Deficit - $13,011,411
-Update: April 2007, company put in their 10-KSB that they are once again moving production back. This time to the second half of 2007 for the production of the initial ten units.
-Update: Aug 3, 2008. Company recently changed it's name to NGRN.PK and did a 1-for-30 reverse split. Stock is trading at $0.16.
-Update: Jan 11, 2009. Company recently purchased C.A.V.D license and resumed putting out press releases again after a lengthy hiatus.
Bulova Techologies.
- Linked to John Stanton
John D. Stanton is also the CEO of Online Sales Strategies, Inc. (OSSG.PK) and private companies, Pangea Ultima and Cast-Crete.
March 6, 2007: John Stanton transferred some of his share holdings from OSSG to another entity--VitalTrust (VTBD[.ob]). The assets transferred were as follows:
Trading Symbol ... Number of Shares ... March 5, 2007 Value
EFTI ... 120,000,000 ... $13,200,000
NNBP ... 20,000,000 ..... 1,800,000
USEI ... 20,000,000 ..... 1,700,000
USSE ... 225,000,000 .... 47,250,000
SSTP ... 225,000,000 .... 49,500,000 **
NCSH ... 36,000,000 ..... 24,120,000
** (update 8/14/09) SSTP shares were based on spin off of SSTP shares announced by USSE. The spin off never happened.
Updated:
Trading Symbol ... Number of Shares ... March 5, 2007 Value ........ May 2008 value ..........................Jan 11, 2009 value of those original shares
EFTI ........ 120,000,000 ........ $13,200,000 ....... Defunct (-100%) .............................................................defunct (-100%)
NNBP ........ 20,000,000 .......... $1,800,000........ $500,000 (-72%) (now NNBPE.OB) ..........................$120,000 (-93.3%)
USEI ........ 20,000,000 .......... $1,700,000 ....... $40,000 (-97.6%) ............................................................$10,000(-99.41%)
USSE ........ 225,000,000 ......... $47,250,000 ....... $4,050,000 (-91.4%) ................................................$1,125,000(-97.62%)
SSTP ........ 225,000,000 ......... $49,500,000 ....... $6,750,000 (-86.4%) .................................................$6,525,000(-86.82%) (Update 8/14/09, these don't exist as the USSE spin off of SSTP shares never happened as announced by USSE.)
NCSH ........ 36,000,000 .......... 24,120,000 ........ $741,176 (-96.9%) (name change to PGXC.PK and 1-for-17 reverse split) ....$14,824(-99.94%)
The total value of these holdings based on the share price is $137,570,000. Much of this 'value' is tied up in USSE and SSTP. USSE's only assets appear to be a pyrolysis reactor tube (to heat material and condense vapors). SSTP, which was recently created and spun off by USSE (update, SSTP spin off failed), doesn't appear to have any identifiable assets at all. The share price leading to SSTP's extraordinarily large market cap seems to be simply a function of a very small float. The assets in SSTP shares transferred to VTBD are also valued based on the share price even though the bulk of shares aren't in the float. (Update 8/3/08. VTBD has recently changed its name to Renewable Energy Resources (REER) and currently has a price of $0.01, down from $0.16 at Mar 6, 2007)
(update 1/11/09)Relatively new on scene: ... Jan 11, 2009 value .... Aug 14,2009
REER[.PK] ............$0.031 (was VTBD) ...................................................$0.0045
PGXC[.PK].............$0.007 (was NCSH) ..................................................$0.01
NGRN[.OB]............$0.063 (was IHDR) ....................................................$0.023
GETG[.PK].............$0.92 .............................................................................$0.22
BLVT[.PK] (New add) ..................................................................................$0.45
Jan 11, 2009 NGRN (originally IHDR then RENW then RWER now NGRN) did a 30-1 reverse in 2008.
This also should spawn a list of some of the people involved. Note: Only a court of law should determine fraud. But if the people in this list show up somewhere on a stock you own, it might be worth a little caution as these people have demonstrated an uncanny ability in consistently destroying shareholder wealth:
John D. Stanton
Alexander H. Edwards III
Jens Dalsgaard
Dr. Matthew Zuckerman
Craig Huffman
James Thomas, Esq.
John H. Rivera
(Update 1/19/09. On Nov 26, 2008, Renew Energy Resources (REER) received a cease and desist order from SEC. http://idea.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2008/33-8986.pdf )
(Update 8/14/09. New Green Technologies (NGRN.OB) announced CEO Craig Huffman and director James Thomas were stepping down. George Ring is the new CEO and John Stanton himself became a director.)
This board was set up to discuss this group of companies associated with John Stanton and whether or not any of them have any merit other than momentum plays when they start their PR campaigns. It is difficult to talk about the relationships between John Stanton and these companies individually and in some cases the moderators of the individual boards are paid by the company involved to keep the board free from negativity.
This board will be unmoderated so positive and negative opinions alike will be allowed. The philosophy behind this is that readers can form their own opinions from what they read and don't need to be protected by a moderator. Adverse opinions can be refuted by other posters. Most on these boards are adults and are expected to act that way without supervision.
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