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[IH Admin [Meghan] (former)]

What do you mean by ‘there is no ignore functionality?’ There is an ignore function on here. I can send you a PM on how to use it if needed. As far as ‘being lured into a dialogue with someone,’ don’t you always have the option to not respond to someone? Even in a face to face situation, I can, in less time than it takes to blink, choose to respond or ignore someone speaking in the room. Is this not an ability that everyone has?

[IH Admin [Shelly]]

Ok, let's start here. As I understand it, you are suggesting that Moderators (fellow Users who volunteer their time to moderate a board - not paid employees) be reviewed and rated by other Users. Correct?

Assuming that's the case, what specifically is the criteria that other Users are judging and rating other Users moderating skills/ability on?

[Perfectson]

I can say from your prior response, you're not digesting what my recommendation is or your mind is made up and you're finding reasons to justify your answer. You mentioned something around your opinion of a feedback model, which actually didn't address what I'm asking. Then I see 20 messages back and forth about the validity of "rate my teacher", which while I used it to help conceptualize a quality rating system wasn't necessarily the exact same model.

Follows does not address my suggestion - it cant even be used as a proxy. You can have people follow someone but that poster may make very poor posts as an example. Just like there's a difference quantity and quality. Reputation is merely a qualitative metric and feedback tool especially for self governance. I believe it would be way more effective and require less feedback from Admin for members to "check" themselves. Other similiarites is the social score used in China or your credit score. Not sure how these systems are flawed especially in the microcosm of a b-board.

I would like to know what are "membermarks" I have never heard or seen it and would like to evaluate , if that does actually do what I'm suggesting. Is there a link somewhere? - I checked the handbook and searchIhub and that term didn't come up.

[IH Admin [Shelly]]

An Admin, myself, has already explained that what you are suggesting is flawed in it's conception.

There are "follows" or "membermarks" for others to "review" or "rate" their fellow Users.

[Perfectson]

It's good that you realized that. If you like to input your ideas to help build/design the framework I've set up, feel free. Otherwise, I'll wait for an admin who can actually forward the suggestion, to opine and request details.

[Perfectson]

The post made leaves a lot to be desired in both facts and tone. I would like to have civil discourses and the responses I'm receiving are those that lack a civil tone.

Also, does the “rate my professor” thing ever actually accomplish anything and, if so, what?

It annoys professors. The only kind of comment from students that's useful is the kind they have to write on their own, in which they evaluate the things that are important to them. Multiple choice questions are pointless.

And of course college students have a tendency to think they know much more than they do...

Again more of the same in the above post. Just filled with a lack of actual facts. Those rating systems are reviewed by schools and the professors themselves. Who better to provide feedback then the people being "subjected" and/or paying to/for the teaching? But alas, there's two perspectives I'm seeing - the other one being a top down authoritative perspective - which is fine. I am again suggesting that we do something that allows reputation for all members not just moderators. This should remove the dissent from those who responded to me (many if not all are serial moderators) and I would not expect that persona to agree to be "moderated" by members.

[Perfectson]

Let's continue to put civility in the forefront.

You're kidding, right?

rhetorical question - but just in case, No I am not kidding. Are you kidding?

And in a sense, we have a means to measure "reputation", at least roughly. See "followed by" in any poster's profile. Naturally that metric generally, though not invariably, favors pumpers, but what can ya do?

many websites have user reputation. We can do it easily with mods or all posters. To be frank, it should probably be for all posters which would encompass moderator. So that's a better idea.

You can have positive reputation and negative reputation. It's basic social scoring and as you said, it's a way to help users/mods self govern themselves. Also since there's no ignore functionality - it would be beneficial to see ahead of time who you're engaging with. Imagine this scenario
someone with a negative score jumping into your conversation that was not intended for that person to answer - you can quickly decide if you want to respond back vs. being lured into a dialogue with someone who was going to be negative and has a history of such.

[Perfectson]

Yes, I agree the entire world seems to lack the ability to digest what civility is. Especially in politics where people tend to govern in a way that allures themselves to specific groups and special interests. 100% agree with you.

[IH Admin [Shelly]]

Yeah, as I said, my daughter's are good in academics, I trust them when they give me examples and tell me that a professor is simply checked out or a buffoon.

[janice shell]

I'll bet that would have done the trick!

[Paulie Cashews]

Had I been forced to sit through that class discussion, I'd emit a silent-but-deadly fart, and then say, "Do I smell popcorn?" so everyone takes a whiff.

"Let's put our chairs in a circle and discuss Picasso's Blue Period!"

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[janice shell]

Fabulous!! A gift of Plus One would be a HUGE incentive! Dare I say an INSPIRATION??

GAMIFY ME!!!

[janice shell]

But the extreme between "good" and "bad" professors is just jarring.

But how do you know whether they're "good" or "bad" based only on what students say about them? Over the years, I had some I only came to appreciate later on. There's also the question of style. Some teachers encourage lots of class discussion; others would rather simply lecture. And there are students who strongly prefer one or the other. I always favored lectures over discussion or, worse yet, seminars (though they were required). After all, if I wanted to find out what my fellow students thought, I could simply ask them after class.

lol, I once had a colleague who'd tell his class: "Let's put our chairs in a circle and discuss Picasso's Blue Period!" God help us.

And a hard truth is that a great many--perhaps most--college and university level faculty are teaching to pay the bills, and to finance their summer and holiday research activities. (Unless they're in the sciences, in which case they may be doing some of that during the academic year, depending on the school's facilities.)

[Homebrew]

Each month, the "best" moderator gets a prize of 10 Plus1 coins !
That would incentivice us to up our gamification.

[IH Admin [Shelly]]

It might annoy professors but it's used by a lot of college kids understanding that there's going to be problematic or skewed results. I've seen a lot of reviews and you know it's like any other review system. If you see someone with a 1 star or whatever they use and one reviewer then you know that's maybe doesn't have any validity. But if you see 60 with 4 stars that also tells you something.

And, my girls have always been good students and they know how to recognize a teacher that isn't going to jive with the way learn. For ex, this professor has a heavy homework and busy work for this class. For example: "If you have a lab, you might not want to schedule this course this semester". So that's helpful too.

Frankly, I've been shocked at the disparity of the level of teaching between professors. I mean most of them are pretty on par. But the extreme between "good" and "bad" professors is just jarring.

[janice shell]

Shelly!!! You failed to address the idea of "gamif[ying] the role of moderator"!! Do you believe it would lead to "more collaborations" thanks to its "holistic communal approach"?

Can we have avatars that fight with other users' avatars?? COOL!!!

[janice shell]

Also, does the “rate my professor” thing ever actually accomplish anything and, if so, what?

It annoys professors. The only kind of comment from students that's useful is the kind they have to write on their own, in which they evaluate the things that are important to them. Multiple choice questions are pointless.

And of course college students have a tendency to think they know much more than they do...

[janice shell]

That is my guess as well. But apparently it needs to be "gamified" as well. Will that involve lots of popups and flashing lights?

If so, no thanks!

[janice shell]

Hmmm... Perhaps we could add "pretty feet" to "best ankles".

Would that be a holistic communal approach?

[Homebrew]

I think it's a roundabout convoluted way of requesting popularity contests for moderators based on some undefined "criteria".

[Homebrew]

I was told I have nice feet.

[janice shell]

Have you ever heard “rate my professor” - I would envision a similar concept but less formal and more easier to rate.

Board moderators are not your teachers. You do not have to agree with them or believe what they say. Their purpose is to enforce the TOU and, by doing so, prevent the board from descending into chaos.

Top 10 moderators could be a thing! Wouldn’t that be awesome?! Where would you rate?! It also would be fun - almost like a side quest to the main board .

NO to all of that.

And I'll ask: Since you feel so strongly about mods and moderation issues, why don't you moderate any boards?

[janice shell]

I envision it to work like an NPS score .

You need to forgive us old fogies. I doubt many here have any idea what an "NPS score" measures. Oh HOLY SHIT!!

It incentivized better feedback from posters, more collaborations and holistic communal approach to the board, and gamifies the role of moderation which leads to overall improvement of said tasks.

I am GOBSMACKED!! Do you realize "gamification" is generally regarded as a Bad Thing? Have you checked out what Gary Gensler has to say about it? (After all, this is a site about securities and trading.) And wtf is a "holistic communal approach" to a message board??

Should you decide to support "reduced jargonization", though, I'll support you.

[janice shell]

I think it'd make IHub HOT HOT HOT!!!

[IH Admin [Meghan] (former)]

So risqué!

[janice shell]

What information would you use to rate moderators ?

I'd insist on a "best ankles" category.

[janice shell]

Can we have poster feedback implemented for Moderators, something similar to a Net Promoter Score.

Similarly, we could have "reputation" points for posters as well. But the initial focus would be those who moderate.

You're kidding, right? If you feel a mod is doing a poor job, you're free to write to an admin about it. If the mod really is outta line, he or she may be warned, or even removed. Simple. Much more simple than a "Net Promoter Score", whatever that may be.

This is a way for the community here at IHUB to be more collaborative with one another.

Why do we need to be "more collaborative"? What kind of "collaboration" do you have in mind? The purpose of the message boards is, in my view, communication, not collaboration.

And in a sense, we have a means to measure "reputation", at least roughly. See "followed by" in any poster's profile. Naturally that metric generally, though not invariably, favors pumpers, but what can ya do?

[IH Admin [Shelly]]

The information on "Rate my professor" is to offer opinions on professors. The information on this site is to offer opinions of companies/stocks.

We ask that it be done in a civil manner and, unfortunately, the entire world seems to have difficulty remembering or even understanding civility.

[IH Admin [Shelly]]

Your model is flawed because Users have no real idea how other Users are as Moderators. They don't know how many or which messages each moderator removes or restores and/or if those are made in a biased manner (i.e. only removing people's TOS violation when they have a different opinion about the company). Unless clearly labeled they have no idea what they contribute to the iBox or don't. Users have no clue unless they scrutinize another User at the exact same times they are on the site and screenshot every post made to see how well they abide by the rules across the site. They have no idea whether the User has issues with sending vile PMs to other Users.

On this site, those are the things that are valued.

The "community" is supposed to be a common interest in the same security. It doesn't matter if your interest is positive, neutral or negative. It's simply a place to discuss the same stock that they have a common interest in.

Admin are the only ones that have the insight to the information that makes a User valued in this role.

[Homebrew]

You haven't answered my question.

[Perfectson]

If an admin is interested, I’d be happy to help design the program out. I’m still in ideation phase. However , What would you suggest as a contributor ?

[Homebrew]

Again, what information would you base your rating on ?

[IH Admin [Meghan] (former)]

How would that not push people to agree with each other on everything, which would essentially turn debates into echo chambers, or push people to be as wildly oppositional as they could be, which would eventually end up as virtual screaming matches? Perhaps I’m not following, but that boils down to, say, Televangelist vs Shock Jock in the simplest of comparisons.

Also, does the “rate my professor” thing ever actually accomplish anything and, if so, what?

I’m genuinely not seeing the benefits. Help me understand what you’re suggesting.

[Perfectson]

Hey brother. Appreciate you delving more into this topic. I envision it to work like an NPS score . So it could be a range of ratings . It incentivized better feedback from posters, more collaborations and holistic communal approach to the board, and gamifies the role of moderation which leads to overall improvement of said tasks.

Have you ever heard “rate my professor” - I would envision a similar concept but less formal and more easier to rate.

Top 10 moderators could be a thing! Wouldn’t that be awesome?! Where would you rate?! It also would be fun - almost like a side quest to the main board .

[Homebrew]

So, rather than discuss stocks on a stock board there should be more focus on popularity, cliques, and influence.
No thanks.
There's a "like" button already available for post feedback.
Admin already "coaches" moderators when needed.

[IH Admin [Meghan] (former)]

As in, “IHub influencers?” Care to elaborate on that?

[Homebrew]

What information would you use to rate moderators ?

[Perfectson]

NPS for Moderators.

Can we have poster feedback implemented for Moderators, something similar to a Net Promoter Score.

So for each Moderator (and/or board they are on) posters should be able to give feedback 1-5 or 1-10 on how the moderator is doing. It's a really good way to give instant feedback and give transparency to posters and also allows mods to be coached up properly to oversee a board. This is a way for the community here at IHUB to be more collaborative with one another.


Similarly, we could have "reputation" points for posters as well. But the initial focus would be those who moderate.

[Perfectson]

Congrats - you took a simple site suggestion to follow TOU and slant discussions to the poster and turned it into some extreme draconian hell that no one is even suggesting. Then you have additional posters not offering any suggestions but extrapolating that even more. I went through a few pages of the site suggestions and I have yet to see a suggestion stir up this much controversy to the point that people jumped from one board to another to join forces ridicule the poster.

Again a very small suggestion was offered up, no need to create false narratives and ridicule the poster. If it's not accepted that's fine - move on. Civility as you said matters and what you're doing is ironically the same lack of civility that you're bemoaning and that is not how you treat your fellow person.

I understand the issue though - some of you are taking the critique has a slight against either your jobs or the "culture" you've built and are lashing out negatively instead of being "civil" about it and allowing the discourse. No one is purposely trying to offend you all.

[IH Admin [Meghan] (former)]

That’s pretty rare, though. Thankfully.

[janice shell]

Yes, and Jailboard posters are sometimes banned from posting...

[IH Admin [Meghan] (former)]

Yep. Jailboard posts get removed occasionally, too.

[janice shell]

That's true. And then they'd all end up in Jail when the IHub Purge ended. Come to think of it, the Jail board might give them the freedom to trash other posters they seem to desire.

But they could only do it three times a day, and they'd need to be careful not to go TOO far.

[IH Admin [Meghan] (former)]

It *might* be a viable suggestion if we did not have the 48 hour rule for post deletions. If we were to allow The Purge: iHub Edition, everyone who actually appreciates the TOS and the civility we prefer to maintain on the site would report all of the willynilly TOS violations and Admin would spend HOURS deleting everything anyway.

[janice shell]

I think it's valid. At bottom, all they want is to be able to attack other posters. They appear to feel asking to be able to do it only once a week would be a concession on their part. Such generosity!!

[IH Admin [Meghan] (former)]

Haha! It does, doesn’t it? Hadn’t really thought about it, but that comparison seems accurate.

[janice shell]

I and a lot of others won't care to have one day a week dedicated to turning the site into an all holds barred shitshow for the entertainment of a few that like that sort of thing.

Exactly. What they seem so eager for sounds kind of like The Purge...

[Slojab]

"but the moderators can decide how best to govern"

Exactly. And that's in accordance with the existing TOS.

You have to understand that this site has operated under the present guidelines since before I joined. And that was in 2006. So, what you and "a few others" are suggesting has been suggested ad nauseum for a number of years to no avail

Accept the fact that civility matters here because I and a lot of others won't care to have one day a week dedicated to turning the site into an all holds barred shitshow for the entertainment of a few that like that sort of thing.

[Perfectson]

that's not a site suggestion, that's your suggestion to another poster. Meaning you're gaslighting the conversation now.

If every site suggestion is going to be met with random posters negative insights then it's counterproductive to the this forums intent.

Just my 2 cents but the moderators can decide how best to govern. Just wanted to point out and hopefully be supportive of the boards intent.

[Slojab]

It's still a discussion board.

And I wasn't insinuating anything. Just pointing out the fact that if another board which already has a policy that allows uncivil posts is preferred, they can opt to post to that board.

Consider it a suggestion.