Politics and Money

[fuagf]

dropdeadfred, Again you display your lack of comprehension, you have just been reminded that covid is still among the top 10
causes of death. That would most certainly contribute to deaths being over any five year average. Another fact you ignore.

[fuagf]

One fact you cannot deny so you ignore it ..
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=171976833 .

[dropdeadfred]

I'm glad covid is over and now we only have to clean up the injuries from the vaxx jab

[dropdeadfred]

He reminds me of you on your Tornado Board back in 2020..

he says, "I'm vaccinated why aren't you, you stupid fucking fucks" Brian Jeffery Bowers

Fully vaxxed film-man Brian Jeffrey Bowers, who called us all fuckers for not taking the vax, has died suddenly aged 48. pic.twitter.com/a1DiQODsgp

— Man of Kent (Manofkent2022 on Gettr) (@pplatesrgrate) May 18, 2023

[fuagf]

dropdeadfread, People die in the US every year from heat and from cold. Fact. Seems you also have a comprehension problem as we've known from the start that getting sick from covid opens you up to being sick from other diseases. Also we have known from early on that most who died from covid also had a pre-existing medical problem. And we have known from early on that covid stretched medical systems in some places, the UK for one, that many, including old-aged, did not continue regular check-ups as normal. So some who normally would have been caught and saved are now dying. You sick fuck.

[fuagf]

One fact is clear, you have no evidence he died from a covid vaccination.

[dropdeadfred]

from the same people who told you the jabs were safe and effective..

even your article acknowledges excessive deaths - stop being a rube and stop selling lies

Covid is making us sicker and more vulnerable to other diseases (research suggests it may contribute to delayed heart attacks, strokes, and dementia); an ageing population; an extremely hot summer; and an overloaded health service meaning that people are dying from lack of timely medical care. This winter, the cost of living crisis and concerns about fuel poverty will add to these contributory factors, given the links between deprivation and ill health. So we may see these excess death numbers continue.

HAHAHAHAA CLIMATE CHANGE IS THE CAUSE OF EXCESSIVE DEATHS

Second, Office for National Statistics data has shown that mortality jumped on days with extreme heat.

so you agree, we have a problem and you blame climate change... lol hahahaha

[fuagf]

Your repeating it for the reason you did gives you ownership too. We know old people die from many things, increased anxiety over the covid period could have contributed to more aged deaths. No doubt covid caused more deaths incidental to death by the disease itself. Not turning on heaters in very cold times could contribute. Not so good medical care no doubt contributed. There is plenty of evidence supporting excess deaths for different reasons.

We know one thing for certain: There is no evidence the excess deaths you slobber over were caused by covid vaccines. Another one:

The real reason is as mundane, and tragic, as an underfunded NHS still struggling with the terrible effects of Covid

[...]

It’s likely to be a mix of factors: Covid is making us sicker and more vulnerable to other diseases (research suggests it may contribute to delayed heart attacks, strokes, and dementia); an ageing population; an extremely hot summer; and an overloaded health service meaning that people are dying from lack of timely medical care. This winter, the cost of living crisis and concerns about fuel poverty will add to these contributory factors, given the links between deprivation and ill health. So we may see these excess death numbers continue.

[...]

Second, Office for National Statistics data has shown that mortality jumped on days with extreme heat. We know extreme weather events are becoming more common, and that higher temperatures can lead to strokes, heart attacks and blood clotting in elderly and vulnerable groups. This problem is not going away as climate experts warn that what we see as unusually hot temperatures will become the norm over the next 50 years.

But most importantly: Covid-19 is still circulating and killing people, especially those in elderly groups and those who are unvaccinated. While it has dropped from being the leading cause of death, it is still one of the top 10 causes of death in the population, and even with a much-reduced fatality rate due to vaccination and prior infection, it is contributing to that 10-13% jump in summer excess mortality. In fact, as these figures show from the ONS, many other major causes of death are slightly below the five-year average.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/13/whats-behind-the-mystery-of-thousands-of-excess-deaths-this-summer

[dropdeadfred]

this dude didn't die of inequality and the soaring cost of living. what ever hogwash you want to believe

Fully vaxxed film-man Brian Jeffrey Bowers, who called us all fuckers for not taking the vax, has died suddenly aged 48. pic.twitter.com/a1DiQODsgp

— Man of Kent (Manofkent2022 on Gettr) (@pplatesrgrate) May 18, 2023

[dropdeadfred]

it's not my claim, it's the paper's claim.

I actually know why :)

Your claim "and we don't really have any idea why" is not exactly true. .

LOL you're going with excessive deaths as "inequality and the soaring cost of living"

okay, I'm sure other will chime in and pat you on the back with that

[fuagf]

dropdeadfred, Your claim "and we don't really have any idea why" is not exactly true.
Many experts and researchers do have an idea as to causes of excess deaths.

You know, there has not been one single case of myself or others here searching misinformation of yours where we have found something you said was true. Not one. We have always found stuff debunking yours which you could have found IF YOU CARED. Problem is you don't give a fuck what is true and what is not. In fact you prefer the incorrect junk you post because it feeds your preconceptions. Here is yet another satisfying that long established pattern:

Britain’s excess death rate is at a disastrous high – and the causes go far beyond Covid

Owen Jones

A deadly, avoidable crisis is under way, fuelled by NHS cuts, the neglect of social care, inequality and the soaring cost of living
Mon 16 Jan 2023 01.09 AEDT
Last modified on Tue 17 Jan 2023 03.37 AEDT


Ambulance workers in London, January 2023. Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images

When most people hear that phrase “humanitarian crisis”, they think “abroad”, “somewhere far away”, and certainly not in Britain. But how else to describe the tens of thousands of bodies avoidably piling up in the nation’s mortuaries? One funeral home worker says that they’ve run out of spaces for the deceased and “are having to keep some encoffined in office rooms”; another hospital porter reports that the mortuary has been near capacity for two weeks. This national issue should be splashed on every front page and leading every bulletin. It isn’t: why?

Last year in the UK there were nearly 40,000 excess deaths .. https://news.sky.com/story/excess-deaths-reach-highest-level-since-pandemic-peak-how-much-are-nhs-failings-to-blame-12780446 – that is, deaths above a five-year average. That’s nearly as many as were killed by the Luftwaffe in the blitz. In the last two weeks of 2022, deaths were a fifth higher than the average from 2016 to 2019 (the last pre-pandemic year), and that’s taking into account factors such as a bigger, ageing population.

According to the Office for National Statistics, there have been about 170,000 ..

From the week ending 13 March 2020 to the week ending 30 December 2022, the number of excess deaths above the five-year average in England and Wales was 169,603.

Of these:

▪️162,142 were recorded in England
▪️ 8,715 were recorded in Wales

— Office for National Statistics (ONS) (@ONS) January 10, 2023

.. excess deaths in England and Wales since the pandemic began. Most of these can be directly attributed to Covid-19 itself: after all, the virus’s name is scrawled on the death certificates of more than 212,000 UK citizens .. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom . Some of those who died may have been vulnerable or infirm, but in other circumstances years away from death. As the pandemic waned, we could have expected excess deaths to shift to below average levels over time. This has not happened.

By the beginning of last year, the number of deaths was similar to 2019. As the actuary Stuart McDonald points out .. https://twitter.com/actuarybyday , we had been through the worst of a pandemic in which many frail members of society died, and normally mortality falls year on year, so to only equal the death toll of 2019 was already indicative of a worrying trend.

Even this data uncovered something disturbing – higher death rates among relatively young adults, and as spring came, more dying than in 2019. And here’s the thing: while the dreadful Covid death toll continues to mount, many of these excess deaths are driven by other factors.

Britain is scarred by features that have made it particularly vulnerable, both while the virus raged before mass immunisation, and in the aftermath. Some are the direct consequences of Tory policy, some are more profound: about the way our society is organised. That means today’s excess deaths go way beyond Covid.

One, the crisis in our NHS. There were about 2,200 additional deaths .. https://covidactuaries.org/2023/01/11/are-nhs-waiting-timescontributing-to-excess-deaths/ .. in England associated with A&E delays in December alone. Average ambulance response times in England are now the worst on record, and more than half of patients are waiting for more than four hours at A&E .. https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-england-waiting-lists-fall-slightly-for-first-time-since-may-2020-12784873 .. for the first time since records began in 2011.

Now consider former health secretary Jeremy Hunt’s confession that he was partly to blame for an NHS staffing crisis .. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/nhs-workforce-crisis-staff-shortage-health-social-care-committee-b1014398.html .. that left Britain more vulnerable to the pandemic and its after-effects. Consider the impact on retention and recruitment of the Tories’ scrapping of the nurses’ bursary .. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/18/why-is-matt-hancock-bringing-bursaries-back-for-student-nurses , and the fact that nurses have lost, on average, £5,000 a year in real terms pay .. https://www.tuc.org.uk/news/nurses-will-suffer-ps1600-real-wage-hit-year-if-ministers-impose-3-pay-settlement .. since 2010: there are about 50,000 vacancies in England .. https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/workforce/nurse-vacancies-reach-record-high-of-almost-47000-in-england-01-09-2022/ .

There is no question that Covid has resulted in high levels of staff absenteeism, and burnt-out health workers who, normally, would have had some respite outside the winter months. A larger, better-resourced workforce would surely have absorbed the impact better.

Consider, too, that one of the crises currently afflicting the NHS is that medically fit patients who nonetheless need support cannot be discharged. A major driver of this is a lack of capacity in social care – which, since 2010, has suffered hundreds of millions of pounds’ worth of cuts .. https://www.tuc.org.uk/news/social-care-spending-england-still-ps600m-lower-2010 , despite there being ever greater demand for it from an ageing population.

There is also a more structural factor at play. Our society is defined by inequality, and poverty breeds poor health: conditions such as obesity, high blood pressure, respiratory disease, even cancer. So what happens if you throw a pandemic at an under-resourced healthcare system, in a profoundly unequal society ravaged by poor health?

What if you add a cost-of-living crisis which – just as an example – leads vulnerable people to fear turning on their heating in cold snaps such as the one we endured in early December? What if you also have a government that has spent years obliterating the public health budget .. https://www.bhiva.org/file/5be18f317f82f/Public-health-and-sexual-health-funding.pdf , which is intended to promote healthy lives and prevent illnesses that impose pressures on the NHS?

This is the British tragedy: a country left exposed to disaster because of the fatal conjoining of a broken economic system and an ideologically crazed government. This is a humanitarian crisis, and it should be framed as such. But as those bodies pile up in our mortuaries and funeral homes, remember this – it was all avoidable.

Owen Jones is a Guardian columnist

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/15/britain-excess-death-rate-covid-nhs-cost-of-living

[DesertDrifter]

Probably not something you need to worry about. If you ever went to school past elementary school, remember the school sponsored religious invocation at graduation time and were some sort of religious blessing done with school money. Politics is local, so I suggest you go heckle your local high school graduation ceremony. Make a difference, instead of a nuisance of yourself.

[dropdeadfred]

this is so progressive. black only graduation ceremony

The University of California Berkeley proudly hosts a "black only graduation ceremony," where participation is based on race, contradicting the very laws established during the Civil Rights movement, which vehemently outlawed racial segregation.https://t.co/icfiwCIgcC

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) May 21, 2023

[DesertDrifter]

You had to dip to your next troll file to drop something unrelated to bolster your premise? Damn, you are really getting pathetic.

[DesertDrifter]

People die every day, idiot. You claiming any particular death without evidence is caused by the vaccine is really a waste of bandwidth... over 70% of people have been vaccinated so it would stand to reason that some of them die from various causes. The people dying from covid are overwhemlingly unvaxxed fools. Even a labrador retriever can follow those dots.

[dropdeadfred]

go save the world

[DesertDrifter]

so you have a reputable, repeatable source that points to an autopsy that the death was vaccination caused? Of course not, because you never do. Go whine somewhere else. We have heard your misinformation so many times that no one cares since it is bullshit.

[dropdeadfred]

I guess this kid didn't understand epidemiology or basic statistics.. Wait, the jab was mandatory in Canada.

World's sixth best young water-skier 'dies suddenly' aged just 18: Micky Geller competed for Canada and was studying at University of Louisiana-Lafayette when he passed away

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12100589/University-Louisiana-Lafayette-waterskiing-champion-dies-suddenly-aged-just-18.html

[dropdeadfred]

Unexpected Karma = Vanderbilt University Medical Center employee

39 year old Vanderbilt University Medical Center employee Shana Harrell suffered from an “unexpected medical emergency” that put her in a coma. Unfortunately she did not recover and has passed away. pic.twitter.com/hUyRLiaRd5

— Nashville Angela (@angelanashtn) May 14, 2023

[DesertDrifter]

It is particularly "sad" for people such as you that do not understand epidemiology or basic statistics and probability or analytical stochastics, and get totally culted into believing anti-vax propaganda.

[dropdeadfred]

it's sad how many lives have suffered from the jab because you people either shamed or mandated.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/health/brits-dying-tens-thousands-dont-29955386

'Brits are dying in their tens of thousands - and we don't really have any idea why'

Tens of thousands more Brits died than usual from May to December 2022, excluding Covid as a cause of death, raising serious questions as to why so many died

[fuagf]

Since when is stating some one had a stroke a slip-up if indeed the person had one. You've been pushing the
stupid and dangerous misinformation line that covid vaccines killed more than they saved for too long now.

[DesertDrifter]

[dropdeadfred]

safe and effective.. Listen to Mike Tyson talk about Jamie Foxx.

Mike Tyson accidentally slips up about Jamie Fox having stroke pic.twitter.com/xWW0Oj1pVy

— calfkicker (@calfkickercom) May 20, 2023

[dropdeadfred]

I hope you got your chance, that you've always wanted, to get the rainbow one piece swimsuit where you can "tuck it" because American has spoken. It's gone.

BREAKING: Target just pulled their pride display from a store after parents pushed back, keep up the heat. pic.twitter.com/oCtybRceSB

— Merissa Hansen (@merissahansen17) May 23, 2023

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1661162630437023745

[dropdeadfred]

[fuagf]

Sorry i didn't give you due credit there. My bad. And your

"I just don't like to see trolls get away with posting their misinformation without any response. Any
newbie visiting the site might think they have a valid point. That's the only way they can win."

is exactly why i replied to him so regularly before. And still occasionally do. Well done, and thank you.

[DesertDrifter]

[lesgetrich]

I've been around this board long enough (5+ years) to know what a troll he is. I just don't like to see trolls get away with posting their misinformation without any response. Any newbie visiting the site might think they have a valid point. That's the only way they can win.

[fuagf]

lesgetrich, Because you may not know the guy as well as some of us do, virtually every post he makes is misinformation. Since covid first appeared that's been a focus. For a time i, and others just not so much, catered to him. Very early on i thought maybe he might be interested in the questioning/debunking of his posts, but he isn't in the slightest. It's like throwing flowers into a sewer. We finally banned him from Tornado Alley because of his constant stream of crap and i for over a year spent a lot of time replying to him on this other board .. https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/memberpoststoboard.aspx?user=21270&boardid=37584&page=2 . There came a time when enough was enough. No point in feeding water to a minnow in a pool.

[lesgetrich]

You can tell the quality of his information from his last post.

BREAKING: A new study by researchers at Northwestern University claims millions of deaths in the early days of COVID were caused by ventilators

According to the CDC, thru May 13, 2023 there have been a total of 1,128,903 deaths from Covid in the US.

His sources can't even do math right.

CDC COVID Data Tracker

[fuagf]

dropdeadfred, No, even on this board i am not going back to correcting your misinformation. I know what i would find if i fact checked yours.

If you at all cared for correct information i'd do the odd one for you, but you have shown clearly to all you don't give a damn.

[dropdeadfred]

wow, imagine that!

BREAKING: A new study by researchers at Northwestern University claims millions of deaths in the early days of COVID were caused by ventilators, which gave patients ventilator-acquired pneumonia.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) May 21, 2023

[dropdeadfred]

Wow - TURBO Cancer

The mRNA Covid vaccine was unlike any technology in vaccine history. People had no idea what they were having injected into their arms.

Get ready to see a LOT of cases of post-mRNA rollout “turbo cancer”.

It’s very real- and it doesn’t spare anyone.

Not even it’s most loyal… pic.twitter.com/OWcHLlLrN6

— DiedSuddenly (@DiedSuddenly_) May 20, 2023

[dropdeadfred]

[dropdeadfred]

What happened to PegnVA?

[fuagf]

Merry Christmas to you, and all here. And Many Happy New Years.

[Elroy Jetson]

Penguin and Pussy Galore taunt Americans that they'll never be convicted for their crimes



Treasonous scum convicted. - Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes and Kelly Meggs, another member of the far-right organization, guilty of seditious conspiracy in connection with the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

These two and another three on trial were also found guilty of obstruction of an official proceeding and aiding and abetting for their actions on Jan. 6.


. . . and what a dream come true for prosecutors when criminals like Donald Trump repeatedly confess all their crimes publicly on "Truth Social" and in court filings,

When will you invade the other Presidents’ homes in search of documents, which are voluminous, which they took with them, but not nearly so openly and transparently as I did? - Donald Trump in a "Truth Social" posting"

Yes, of course I robbed those banks, but what about all the other Americans robbing banks every day, as I'm told so many people are talking about. They're all saying it's so unfair to prosecute me, Donald J Trump, when tens of millions of Americans do exactly the same thing and worse every single day - so unfair. I'm not going to participate with the American justice system because it's so biased against criminals.


These clowns are actually dress like villains from a James Bond film

[DesertDrifter]

[DesertDrifter]

Let's see... an antivax conspiracy nut transphobe... sounds like someone we know. And why his rhetoric is not welcome here.