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Hey, Plugger,
A thought out of nowhere popped into my feeble mind about NAGP. It must have been your voice in the wind.
Well, it's good to revisit and see the old gang hanging around the halls. Truthfully, I missed you and everyone. I hope all are well.
I guess misery loves company, good company.
The Marine Corps' birthday is November 10. If I'm not here posting that day, right now I'm shouting, "Happy Birthday!"
Take care,
Trueheart
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it." ~ George Halas
Hey Foxwoods, it was not just a scam----it was a very good scam...probably right in there amongst the top 10 scams....they did make themselves some $$$$$$$ ----Now the important stuff, VEGAS, we put off our trip also. No idea when the Diamond Lounges will open and the Paris where we like, they may never open the Lounge again.. Over the years we have met some really nice folks out there. OH WELL, maybe in time, get this election over and hopefully people will resume some type of normal living. The one good thing about NAGP Board, although folks never met in person, I feel right at home here.....99.9% germ free
This "company" has been a scam from day one and I was sucked in along with MANY of us here.
It is no more....and in reality it never was anything..just a scam all along and those who pumped it it were also victims but also enablers extraordinaire who got others to throw away their money
Chalk it up to an expensive experience,,,
Good thing is that no future investors will be harmed...
Oh....Plugger....had to trash my September Las Vegas trip...should be there NOW, Exchanged it for St. Thomas October 9-16...poor replacement but there is water to look at
Gee, did I miss something?
Did they finally declare bankruptcy and go home?
It is not "fka NAGP" without good reason.
OT: Gale Sayers was a class act, a good man.
Not a single post in three months. I guess the quitters all quit. But some people gotta dream in these desperate times. Maybe we need a George Halas half time speech to wake ya all up....
This board has been nothing but entertainment for years, I can't remember the last serious moment here
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED???!!!!!!!!
I resemble that remark
Remember that one?
Ahhh, the good ole days
We were just too cool for school
and wait for it many, many more
-or-
I got a million of 'em.
enough for now.
Be safe, be well.
yep, like me, you ain't right...
Yes, late 1950's to early 1960's
So, yes, we are getting close to old.
I'll be a gentleman and let you go first
I can't remember if that was around in my High School days or shortly there after.....that would be 60 yrs ago, HUMMM ? reckon that makes me getting close to old
You're a good man, Charlie Brown.
I still say that occasionally, I just get funny looks when I do.
Oh, well. Their loss.
Just as true, anyway.
I just can't believe that ole Raj lied to us.....TELL me it ain't so Joe!!!! I tell you though it was a good ride. even if I did fall in hook, line & sinker. Any one here that remembers or went to Fla. when Loman got a set up an investors meeting? I went and met some really nice folks who had tossed ole raj and Co a few dollars.......notice ole raj don't rate a capital R any longer.......YEP!! I got a screw loose up there somewhere. I think over the time I was in NVMG I bought & sold and probably broke even, then when it went up I was really up, then we went away on vacation and bang it fell apart & I did not get to sell in time.....win a few & loose a few, but I don't think I ever lost in anything and had as much fun as here.....think about it, this thing fell apart yrs. ago and some of are still chatting-----probably go a long way to find that. It just might be a stock and many of our paths will never cross but 99% is good relations.....to me that is a good thing........Now for raj/joe&co, I hope they all "P" the bed every night.
Probably be a good thing if we once a month at least drop in to the board and see how folks are doing...God Bless and as Foxwoods taught us----"My Money goes further at Foxwoods". --I think that is the way he use to put it----To my ole Marine buddy, Trueheart---Semper fi & RIP Loman
You a good man Charlie Brown --- as years ago we use to say
Nice find....and I am SHOCKED!.......only kidding
I will say that if they started a new "company" tomorrow there are still many numbnuts that would send them cash. They were schemers 30 years ago and will always be corporate grifters and there will always be suckers for them to prey on..
I would say this is a little interesting tidbit
SECURITIES AND BUSINESS INVESTMENTS DIVISION ACTIVITY
Native American Energy Group, Inc. and Raj S. Nanvaan f/k/a Tejbir Singh
?(CRD No. 2801400) Each Fined $100,000
On March 13, 2020, the Banking Commissioner entered an Order Imposing Fine (Docket No. CRF-20-8480-S) against Native American Energy Group, Inc. of 61-43 186th Street, Suite 507, Fresh Meadows, New York 11365. The corporation is a purported development stage company specializing in oil, natural gas and alternative energy systems.
Also on March 13, 2020, the Commissioner entered a separate Order Imposing Fine against Raj S. Nanvaan , the company’s Chief Financial Officer.
The Orders Imposing Fine had been preceded by a January 28, 2020 Order to Cease and Desist, Order to Make Restitution, Notice of Intent to Fine and Notice of Right to Hearing (Docket No. CRF-20-8480-S) which, in addition to naming Native American Energy Group, Inc. and Raj S. Nanvaan as respondents, also named Joseph Gatano D’Arrigo , Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer of the company, and J.R. Bautista, Jr. , a company consultant. Bautista had been the subject of a January 17, 1990, agency Consent Order based on allegations of unregistered agent activity. That Consent Order resulted in an 18 month bar being imposed against Bautista.
The January 28, 2020 action had alleged that respondents Native American Energy Group, Inc. and Bautista violated Section 36b-16 of the Connecticut Uniform Securities Act by selling unregistered common shares of the company to at least one Connecticut investor. The action had also alleged that all the respondents violated the antifraud provisions in Section 36b-4(a) of the Act by failing to disclose to the affected investor that the investment proceeds were actually being wired out to respondents D’Arrigo, Nanvaan and Bautista rather than being used to invest in oil or gas investments.
Each of the respondents was afforded an opportunity to request a hearing on the allegations in the January 28, 2020 Order to Cease and Desist, Order to Make Restitution and Notice of Intent to Fine. Since respondents Native American Energy Group, Inc. and Nanvaan failed to request a hearing, the Order to Cease and Desist and Order to Make Restitution became permanent as to them on February 16, 2020 and February 23, 2020, respectively.
Similarly, respondents Native American Energy Group, Inc. and Nanvaan did not request a hearing on the Notice of Intent to Fine, and the March 13, 2020 Orders Imposing Fine were therefore entered by default. Finding that Native American Energy Group, Inc., violated Sections 36b-16 and 36b-4(a) of the Connecticut Uniform Securities Act, the Commissioner fined the company $100,000. Likewise, finding that Nanvaan violated the antifraud provisions in Section 36b-4(a) of the Act, the Commissioner imposed a $100,000 fine against Nanvaan.
Well I guess it's the monthly "Make sure everyone is alive" posting and I guess at least three of us are still sucking in breath. Yup....country is definitely going down a path that will be hard to reverse BUT maybe.....
Trip to Belgium in July just became morning toast...thought it would but the AZ/LAS trip at the end of September still has some hope...
Hang in there...no mask needed to post
OH BOY !!!! Thank You, there for a moment I thought everyone dried up and blew away....There is still life here.....good to know......might want to stand back a bit, I am not wearing my mask this morning
Thousands upon thousands of young men & women have given their lives for our freedom, and I imagine that millions upon millions have served to protect our freedoms...........And now at almost 77 I can not for the life of me understand how America has fallen so far from grace.....
Would not want this board to die of neglect.
I hope every one is safe and healthy.
We welcome the inevitable seasons of nature, but of business and our economy – not so much. Hopefully, April showers will bring May flowers.
I finally determined what the CEO was really saying in this March 24, 2020 press announcement. It is simply that, "as long as the roots are not severed, all is well, and all will be well in the garden." Did anyone else get that impression?
Keep love in your heart. ...
Good idea to run up the pole at the press dept.
Hiya, Sir90 and all,
I heard another story about Raj Laboratories working on a COVID-19 vaccination. The info said there were no side effects and it even made people look better. Can anyone here back up the rumor?
Trueheart
"TB, or not TB, that is the vaccination!"
‘Striking’ evidence emerges that TB vaccine may be effective against Covid-19 — countries that use it have TEN TIMES fewer cases — RT World News
https://www.rt.com/news/485206-tb-vaccine-covid-19/
"TB, or not TB, that is the vaccination!"
‘Striking’ evidence emerges that TB vaccine may be effective against Covid-19 — countries that use it have TEN TIMES fewer cases — RT World News
https://www.rt.com/news/485206-tb-vaccine-covid-19/
After this health crisis the Lords will then want to chip you so they can control when you & the rest of the peasants can leave the house, so welcome to being herded.
Well that explains a lot....
Hmmm, Uranus. At least we know where your head is.
The mysteries of space and time beckon ....
Let's talk about the mystery of Uranus, instead.
https://on.rt.com/aebf
Rest at home or rest in peace
Please, remind me. What did they do in Montana?
Did they accomplish anything positive? Did they ever pump any oil?
If they did, did they sell any of the oil? Was any of this profitable?
Did they ever find that rework drill(?) they "bought" in China(?) but it was back logged(?) and they couldn't get it shipped(?) but then it was backed up in customs(?) or some such story?
The story and excuses went on and on and on. The many, many variations of the story and excuses are the reason I use so many question marks.
**** Everyone please take care and stay well.
I'm plenty annoyed enough with this virus, but you don't have any recollection of all of the efforts in Montana? How can that be, plugger? You were invested.
WOW !! You really are up tight, calm down before this gets you down.....Raj/Joe& co are what Raj/Joe&co. are, nothing more --- nothing less. Maybe if someone could explain just 1 thing they ever did that they said they were going to do-----well maybe then Raj/Joe&Co. would appear to be more than a mirage. I give them credit though, they keep testing the waters to see if us past investors are still alive or passed on.......
For my optimistic side, it is always good to hear a word or 2 from the old crew, it was a fun ride, a little costly but a fun ride and although I have never met these fine folks from years past I treasure the good and poor years we traveled together..........."""May I ask, were you invested in Raj/Joe&Co. back during the oil, housing, gas, home manufacturing, uranium, wind turbine, etc, etc, years????""""School Of Hard Knocks
Plugger - It just beguiles me that some folks will sit on their comfortable couches and whine whine whine that the bull market has ended and how they just can't be happy unless their stocks are going up every day, when they could be having a nice, quenching Quarantini (VODKA AND VITAMIN C). We know that there is no alternative to the future (unless the virus gets you) and the future will be here soon enough. I can see that you recognize, being religous by nature, and older, that failure can follow successes and success can follow failures, and that you are able to take it in stride, whatever the challenge. It would be hard not to see that we are in an evolving multi-part crisis, so most bets are off on predictions. I'm just kind of surprised that some people are so obsessed that they have chosen to talk about just about anything else but the content of the most recent PR. Based on the recent news, however, I think that new forces at play may positively influence the future. That's what is sounds like to me.
Mbaa519 - These discussions are not meant to be one-way streets. That's why I may show all the optimism I want in the midst of your negativity and lies. I thought about what you said, and you know, it makes me want to punch myself in the chest when I see that you are making up your own facts, again! You make one statement that is true and then you prey upon the unsuspecting with a complete falsity in the same breadth. I'm saying that you are being intellectually dishonest because you know better; you've certainly read all of the filings and press releases of Native and are aware of the content. Unfortunately, if there's one thing I know about you, mr mbaa, it's that your college education didn't educate you enough to admit when you are wrong. You just made a couple of bold statements that "nothing has occurred in Alaska" and (it was) "mainly all hype with no substance." I'll just remind you that the company was required to report on it's material developments and accomplishments in Alaska, since probably a million dollars of company funds were spent on that project. That cannot be considered hype. If you will just go back and look at the details in the filings, etc., regarding the Alaska drilling project, you will find that that they made statements indicating that they had picked up a very hard-to-get permit to drill a pilot well in order to extract coal-bed methane to supply the Matsu Borough of Alaska for the benefit that community, as well as to bring value to the company and its shareholders and other stakeholders, and further, that they were expecting substantial funding, so they established an office there and relocated personnel, and they built roads and even completed the construction of the well pad on the well-site. So, in fact, plenty of things did occur in Alaska. It's just very unfortunate that, thru no fault of their own, the funding fell through.
Did you have to come here to deceive people? You need to get your facts right, instead of being so utterly disrespectful by posting these big lies of yours.
Let me ask you something. If you made several billion dollars in the stock market, would you come here and spread the wealth(?) because that's what they were trying to do.
I congratulate you on sharing my principles.
something in the water, I think...but on the other hand, you speaking of Unicorns and rainbows, well Noah did build an ark in the middle of the desert where those folks did not even know what rain was. HUMMM, one just never knows........can you folks tell how bored it gets being locked down....
You good folks keep safe and enjoy your week
I hate when intelligent people respond with facts. (sarcasm...thanks for the response) This company was never into facts just promises and ideas and the enabler always backed them up with zero data. She is typical of a paid company hack but really did't (doesn't) make an effort to make anything she says be believable so I really doubt it. No clue why it continues now though....
I just feel for those who fell for the pomp and no circumstance and, again, I am just glad that no one else can be hurt by this scam.
There's been talk of unicorns and rainbows a while back.
Very difficult to understand how anyone would promote, even defend, this company and it management.
There is a lot of interesting chatter which makes for a good read. Let's be honest. There are still suits showing up of potential fraud. The latest from January of 2020. This is not a clean company, nor has it produced revenues of any significance since operations. They have no bonding or authorizatiuon to produce produce any oil or natural gas in any region for quite some time and all wells are abandoned in Montana and nothing has occurred in Alaska. Mainly all hype with no substance. They have raised millions with no operating outcome. I do not understand the latest press release for it has zero revallence to any business operations. Check out the latest link below for one of the current securities enforcement suits in CT.
https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/DOB/Enforcement/Securities/2020-SBID/Native-American-Energy-Group-Inc-et-al-CD-Rest-NOIF.pdf?la=en
Do not know what the cheerleader is basing his optimism on, but in my opinion it is not based in fact but rather fiction, or if he is directly involved with the company which he should disclose or a paid hired gun.
All be safe and healthy and take care of your families.
Fox - Shake the cobwebs out of your head and follow along.
Rather than taking any salary, salaries have been accruing since October 1, 2012. This was stated in the NAGP 2012 10-K filing. It simply means that no employee could possibly be squandering any money on salaries & bonuses as VH Gambler has asserted.
And, prior to Oct 31, 2012, salaries were ?????
SMH
thanks, FW. I would not be surprised.
I'm missing the point of an 8 year old PR stating that the officers of this now defunct company deferred their compensation
What is pertinent to 2020?
“ The Company has no pension, annuity, insurance, profit sharing or similar benefit plans; however, the Company may adopt such plans in the near future. On September 14, 2012, the Company entered into employment agreements with Joseph G. D’Arrigo, Raj S. Nanvaan, Richard Ross, Doyle A. Johnson and Linda C. Chontos. All Executives’ salaries are being deferred until sufficient capital is available. “
footnote(4)from 10-K - Beginning October 1, 2012, the Company began accruing salaries for its five (5) employees in accordance with employment agreements executed on September 14, 2012. Each employee receives an annual salary of $48,000 at the rate of $4,000 per month. Currently the salaries are currently being deferred until the company is in a financial position to pay such salaries.
No, Gambler, you didn't deliberately tell lies here today, you just decided to make up your own facts, which were pure b.s.
And, no, I don't tell lies. However, I don't consider proving my statement as a worthwhile endeavor.
Read the financials (what there are of them) and draw your own conclusion as to where the money went.
SMH
I guess you can have newbies in the sense of imagining the newbie can buy imaginary stock, just as you can imagine the company is worth supporting?
Stay safe and keep well, all.
Just curious...How can there be "newbies" when there is no listed stock? Can you make believe buying something which would actually fit since the whole "company" was make believe anyway...
Nobody can be harmed anymore...the harm is complete. Just don't fall for the next scam by this group...and there will be one for sure
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Native American Energy Group
Corporate Office:
Native American Energy Group
61-43 186th Street
Fresh meadows, NY 11365
Phone: none listed
Fax: (718) 408-1471
Email: info@nativeamericanenergy.com
Website: http://www.nativeamericanenergy.com
SEE LOWER PORTION OF IBOX FOR MOST CURRENT INFO
NOTE: NAGP HAS BEEN DELISTED AND NO LONGER TRADES
MISC. INFO
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/NAGP/financials
http://www.sec.gov/edgar.shtml
Initial Info on SEPT. 2010 lawsuit brought by investors http://www.courts.state.ny.us/Reporter/pdfs/2010/2010_32524.pdf
http://www.reznetnews.org/blogs/tribalog/fort-peck-tribes-agree-explore-develop-energy-resources-reservation-31860 This link notes another company that is doing work with the tribes on Fort Peck. NAGP Had this vision to do the same, although to date there is no info that they will be able to do this. The only info one could find really on this matter by doing some DD is that there are articles out there that says NAGP actually got thrown off the Fort Peck reservation. Do your own DD to confirm.
Current info
Ticker Symbol: | USOTC:NAGP DELISTED | ||||||||
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Security Type: | Common Stock | ||||||||
NAGP Address: | 108-18 Queens Blvd. Suite 901 Forest Hills, New York 11375 | ||||||||
NAGP Country: | USA | ||||||||
NAGP Phone: | 718-408-2323 | ||||||||
NAGP Fax #: | 718-793-4034 | ||||||||
Website: | http://www.nativeamericanenergy.com/ | ||||||||
Description: | Native American Energy Group (NAEG) is an independent energy resource development and management company specializing in oil, natural gas, and alternative energy systems. For additional information, please visit: www.nativeamericanenergy.com www.youtube.com/nativeamericanenergy www.facebook.com/nativeamericanenergy | ||||||||
SIC Code / Description: | 1311 / Crude petroleum and natural gas | ||||||||
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Key Executives: | Raj Nanvaan - Founder Linda C. Chontos - Admin. Officer Joseph D'Arrigo - Founder Richard Ross - Corporate Secretary Doyle (Tony) Johnson - Chief Geologist | ||||||||
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Incorporation State: | Delaware | ||||||||
Incorporation Country: | USA | ||||||||
Incorporation Year: | 1996 |
Native American Energy Group announces dismissal of lawsuit 1-31-2012 http://ih.advfn.com/p.php?pid=nmona&article=50971525
This is brief of release click link for full release
The Latest info on the lawsuit brought by investors is that it was settled. The Plaintiffs agreed to dismiss all claims alleged in the lawsuit with prejudice and on January 30, 2012 filed with the Court a Notice of Voluntary Dismissal with Prejudice. Nonetheless, in an effort to avoid further litigation, we, on behalf of the Company and the other Defendants, have agreed to issue to the Plaintiffs an aggregate of 606,756 shares of the Company's common stock in addition to the 1,738,750 shares already held in escrow for a total of 2,345,506 shares of our Common Stock (the "Settlement Shares"). We have further agreed that within 30 calendar days of the removal of the global lock by DTC, we will issue each Plaintiff an individual warrant. The term of each individual warrant shall be for two years from the date of the removal of the DTC global lock and shall be for the purchase of a number of shares of the Company's common stock equal to the number of Settlement Shares received by that individual Plaintiff, with an exercise price of $0.70 per share.
14-Apr-2016
Regulation FD Disclosure, Financial Statements and Exhibits
Native American Energy Group, Inc. corrected and replaced its release issued on April 13, 2016 - "Native American Energy Group Announces Transfer Agent Change" due to multiple revisions to the "Effective Date" in the first and bottom section. The corrected release reads: CORRECTION - Native American Energy Group Announces Transfer Agent Change.
Native American Energy Group, Inc. changed its transfer agent for NAGP common stock from Pacific Stock Transfer Company to Manhattan Transfer Registrar Company ("Manhattan"), effective, April 25, 2016 (the "Effective Date"), with its current address at 57 Eastwood Rd, Miller Place, NY 11764. Registered stockholder accounts will be transferred automatically to Manhattan Transfer Registrar Co. without interruption in service. No action is required by stockholders. A copy of the Company's press release to its stockholders is attached hereto as Exhibit 99.1 and incorporated herein by reference.
Most recent update of operations provided by MBAA519 on 6/9/2017...and thanks for this go out to this concerned investor
1. Montana is inactive and has not produced any oil or has reported to the state since 9-2012.
http://bogc.dnrc.mt.gov/WebApps/DataMiner/Production/ProductionByWell.aspx
2. Alaska has stalled and there is no bonding in place nor is the a bond in place for Montana
NOTE 6 – SECURITY DEPOSITS from last 10-K/A
The Company had an aggregate of -0- and $50,000 as of December 31, 2012 and 2011, respectively, deposited in two financial institutions as collateral for posted surety bonds with various governmental agencies in Alaska and Montana as assurance for possible well-site reclamation, if required. The Company is obligated to maintain a surety bond in conjunction with certain drilling permits. In March 2011 and in September 2012, the Company cancelled two of its oil and gas surety bonds in the aggregate amount $150,000 issued to the Alaska Oil & Gas Conservation Commission (“AOGCC”) and the Matanuska-Susitna Borough Planning Commission (“Mat-Su Borough”) for its Kircher Unit state and borough drilling permits in Alaska. As a result of the bond terminations, the financial institution returned the $150,000 cash collateral to the Company. In the event that the Company re-applies for the state and borough drilling permits with the AOGCC and the Mat-Su Borough, it will be required to re-post bonds in the amount of $100,000 and $50,000, respectively. During the year ended December 31, 2011, the Company forfeited an $8,590 deposit held as security for its corporate office lease in New York.
3. As for the wind generation Windaus was acquired by another public company so I don't know what the position for NAGP is with that project for they were in default of the original agreement that was modified for missing the payment schedule.
https://www.windstream-inc.com/
4. As for Oklahoma I cant find any well info in their database assigned to NAGP.
This is current knowledge that is available for NAGP not negative not positive just current knowledge.
https://biz.yahoo.com/e/160414/nagp8-k_a.html
Shareholder updates and press releases from the company website:
http://www.nativeamericanenergy.com/investors/press-releases/
Note: This information seems out of date but is due to the fact that the company has little or no current info available to investors other than what is on the webiste listed above. ANY new information, filings and evidence of current operations will be added when they are made available.
NAGP SEC Suspension for delinquent Financials/Filings:
https://www.sec.gov/litigation/suspensions/2017/34-81608.pdf
Order:
https://www.sec.gov/litigation/suspensions/2017/34-81608-o.pdf
Admin Proceeding
https://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2017/34-81609.pdf
Company statement re; Delisting:
https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2017/10/09/1142936/0/en/Native-American-Energy-Group-October-2017-Update.html
FRESH MEADOWS, N.Y., Oct. 09, 2017 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Native American Energy Group, Inc., an active Delaware corporation (OTC-PINK:NAGP) (the "Company") announces that on October 4, 2017, the Securities and Exchange Commission ("SEC" or the “Commission”) and the Company jointly submitted a signed settlement offer to the SEC that would provide that pursuant to section 12(j) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (the "Exchange Act"), the registration of the Company's common stock and any other class of securities will be revoked. On October 6, 2017, the SEC accepted the referenced settlement proposal and revoked the registration of the company common stock pursuant to Section 12 of the Exchange Act, resulting in NAGP now being delisted from trading. The Company’s NAGP security last traded at seventeen and a half cents ($0.175).
Company statement re: Website changes
https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/09/28/1586528/0/en/Native-American-Energy-Group-Offers-Stakeholders-Ability-To-Communicate-Via-Interactive-Web-Content.html
FRESH MEADOWS, N.Y., Sept. 28, 2018 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Native American Energy Group, Inc. (formerly OTC-PINK:NAGP) (the "Company"), an active Delaware corporation and independent energy resource development and management company specializing in oil, natural gas, and alternative energy systems, recently effected changes to its website - Investor Relations Section, offering stockholders and stakeholders, alike, a means to communicate with management in order to facilitate the Company’s evaluation of a potential share repurchase program. The Company website now includes an Interactive Preliminary Informational Survey & Contact Form for this purpose that can be submitted electronically by interested parties.
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