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~ This Is Correct ! ! ... "COOP" ... the mr cooper group, (NationStar) was "Acquired" by WMIH back in 2018 ~
some ol' cactus tweeks in red;
BTS, this was just a clarification on ‘actual value’ ,legacy UQ would receive for a potential 36,000,000 share distribution, at a hypothetical and predetermined pps. Sadly the value is just minuscule.
Boarddork, I get all that.
I just dont see the P issue not being addressed in any COOP distribution since WMIH owns/is COOP. IMO
We shall see as this unfolds. If it unfolds.
2221, it’s interesting you say Sunday the 28th, as Hold on BP has the Monday the 29th as one of the potential dates for the overall case.
They would have to have the details by Sunday.
Good luck to all of us
The word soon means always tomorrow never today, this saga taught me that
👉👉👉COOP Q1'24 earnings THIS WEDNESDAY, April 24 (pre-market)
See: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20240404446961/en/Mr.-Cooper-Group-Inc.-to-Discuss-First-Quarter-2024-Financial-Results-on-April-24-2024
As I have said many times, 2 buckets. Coop and JPMorgan
AZ has read so many documents that he alone knows facts about COOP (like the mysteriously unnamed “XXXX is the parent of COOP”) which even COOP‘s own management doesn’t know.
You should ask AZCowboy. He may know since he has read all the documents and, therefore, is the most informed on this board. In my opinion, if he doesn’t know all bets are off.
Obviously you’re fixated on this. Keep up your good work and can we please move on. Good luck to you!
Good morning people Ol’Cactus “ well, why not ? (ol' cactus is not asking any questions')” And here I thought you were a community minded person, sorry if I read wrong , but ok ! hehehe, as for the why not , my K’s will or will not payoff as this stock has been great to me and keeps on giving…..
GoGooooooCOOP
“just sayin”
Have a great day people-Ts 😉😙
Nobody other than true insiders have those numbers.
But you can use this post for estimates
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174266361
Any idea how much they were paying KKR.
No fat finger, but a VERY SMART INVESTOR ...IMO
COOP doesn’t own legacy P preferred assets. WMIH owns COOP, and WMIH separately owns P preferred assets.
COOP (frmrly nationstar) can’t own P preferred assets without paying for it…and I don’t know if that’s even ever gonna be on the menu. P preferred assets are instruments for WMIH (legacy WMI) benefit. Remember that’s how WMIH paid KKR’s preferreds A & B among other things. But KKR has been paid off years ago, and WMIH’s P preferred managing sub, has been storing the income ever since.
running off at the mouth as usual!!!!.... what courts , banks, governments, and FDIC is corrupt?....WAMU failed because Kerry Killinger and the BOD ran it in the dirt with billions in Loans, and HELOCS, who were not qualified to get loans from banks, so WAMU engaged in creating SUB -PRIME LOANS to unqualified lenders....blaming everyone but yourself is cowardly....you are to blame for your losses because you did not bother to read any documents, but listened to AZCowboy, L.G. and others who have failed to deliver on their promises that money is coming back... you are not entitled to jack s***t because your equity values were cancelled, along with the preferreds.... Lodas
Xoom, you think P owners will allow Coop to utilize assets without Ps getting paid? Aint gonna happen.
Maybe they could issue new Ps but that looks unlikely.
This is far more complex. Its not a simple calculation to the benefit of commons.
Nothing in this case is certain, but this is undoubtedly the closest we have come to seeing an escrow payout. In fact, several.
My concern is the corruption of the courts, banks, government, and Fdic. We are up against grave corruption.
Having said that proceed with caution until funds appear in your account. I'm not holding my breath. But I do like our chances at this time. I have particular confidence in Judge Buckwald that she will do the right thing.
Coattails
Xoom
how many more buckets will be coming to UQ ?
would you mind naming them, and putting behind each
one your estament on our return. ( $$ )
thanks kindly
J&J'
Yes $1.5 per UQ legacy but only for this bucket via new COOP shares.
Please see calculation in post below :
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174276840
Zoom you are saying $1.5 per uq legacy !
Is that $1,50 / per share or some other figure for uq legacy?.
help me out.
thanks
So if you revealed the soon….it is considered insider knowledge……..you have insider knowledge of the “soon”….just as you claim you are friends with Doreen and Gallagher……and part of the inner circle….you say this to continue putting a carrot in front of your followers……no insider information has been given to you….this is just too laughable and complete BS…..
Yes Nova...i will contact both COOP and IRS too in regards to the IRS form filed by COOP about former equity receiving Liquidating Trust Interests INEXCHANGE for the ASSETS transferred to WMI Liquidating Trust.
That is because Coop is the Tell….watch it rise…
I know… did you see that fat finger trade on Friday?
Yet still no news of any predictions coming true…
Yet your “soon” could be years!!!!! While coop is the tell and has been ever since you sold at 50.00 and stated coop was no longer the tell…..we could be above 80.00 and rising….
Roger that JWW... not for nothing but I like the $85 as a minimum of the group.
AIMHO, STRIKE
LATEST $COOP price targets==>Compass Point:$95, Piper Sandler:$88, DEUTSCHE BANK:$88, UBS:$86, KBW:$86, Barclays:$85, Wedbush:$85
AZ wow, multitudinous posts today!
Did Alice buy you a tall cappuccino this morning?
LOL
But seriously with shares, Libor, and more coming yikes. Happy days on the way.
~ LOL', WMIH / COOP(s) version of ... "rip-van-winkle" ... LOL' go bk to sleep ~
n' take 36k etc., along with ... LOL
just sayin'
AZ
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Upon emergence from bankruptcy on the Effective Date, we had no operations other than WMMRC’s legacy reinsurance business with respect to mortgage insurance which is being operated in runoff mode and we have not written any new business since September 26, 2008. Because WMMRC’s business is in runoff mode, we currently have no competitors in that line of business. However, because we are pursuing an acquisition strategy and competition for acquisitions generally has increased, we will compete for acquisition opportunities and some of those potential competitors for such opportunities are substantially larger and have considerably greater financial, technical, and marketing resources than we do.
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so, AZC.... are you saying that WMIH is reporting outside the SEC requirements, when this link to the WMIH 10-K says otherwise?......this link is from the 2013 SEC 10-K filing by WMIH.... look it up......
~ Hi XOOM, well in my opinion ?, COOP(s) squaring away of the necessary return to the original 100million shares, ? ? ? ~
is the reason why, I believe that COOP needs to go first' ... reconstitute the 36million shares, and simultaneously' maintain the pps above $50.00 ... then there would be other considerations' ... interest accumulated and still owed, etc. etc. ... "napkin math" so to speak ... I simply believe that it will ultimately be ... "Fair and Equitable" ...
I'm just a very happy cowboy, watching this finally coming together and I'm VERY GLAD that I DID NOT Drink any of the coffee flavored Kool-Aid, and as recommended and asked to consider the voting package inserts promoting that everyone, NOT to vote' NOT to Participate in the Judges Plan, while those inserts, and their directions to NOT Participate in the Plan WERE Promoted by bop' ... glad I didn't pay attention and ALSO glad I bought WMB Notes' after the Reorg and Before Globic Settled' ... which were all also discouraged at the time LOL' ... go figure ... and added, then in 2019', the failed attempts "filed" to once again, attempt to disrupt the plan, Thankfully ALL ALSO Failed', ... ! ! !
just sayin'
AZ
Hi AZ, speaking of ‘reasonable’ , what in your personal opinion or SWAG , would you consider ‘reasonable’ for a legacy UQ ?
Just for the record, the $1.5 ish per legacy UQ accomplished with the 36 million COOP new shares, is no way ‘reasonable’.
TIA
AZCowboy, please eat some German Schnitzel and friend potatoes for me :>)
They are soooo good. Have fun.
ND9
~ Oh and Added JustNormal, ... Contrary to numerous postings, by a few ad-hoc groups, ... NationStar and its Subs, Were "Acquired" by WMIH, in between July and October of 2018' ... NationStar, was earmarked to be the Company's SEC "registrant" Reporting with only ONE Operational Sub ... NationStar LLC. ... Xome', was also acquired, but Xome Is Never Listed in a COOP 10-K ... because merely a portion of what was acquired back in 2018' is being used for SEC reporting allowances, ... For the last 6 years (ish) Only LLC, the Loan Servicer was necessary, Now' Things Are Changing ~
also, contrary to ad-hoc group postings, ... the WMI Pre-BK and Post Reorganization, ... "Preferred Managing Sub" ... can very easily be reviewed on the SEC site, with the accounting revealed of BOTH, the Cash In and the Cash Out ! ! ... openly SEC reporting for many, many years, well Beyond the 2012 Reorganization ... so, NO Nothing was cancelled as there are those that continue to profess this' ... only the WMI Holding Company's wmi-lt completed its Court Ordered functions, and has Now' shut down ... (verified)
anyhew' Have A Nice Day
just sayin'
AZ
~ Hello JustNormal, a well known WMI / WMIH / COOP Long Time Participant', ... and You Are More Than Welcome ! ! Yes, I believe that WE will all be treated in a "Fair & Equitable" Manner, "COOP" is now on deck, and prepared to begin the party', using its 36 million shares, now Bought Back' ~
the word used so flippantly, "reasonable" is NOT Applicable ... everyone's opinion of "reasonable" could never have been accomplished.
I'm still considering a part time flat in Garmish, and I just visited the Duaco' in Milan and looked around there as well ... a nice mug of EichBahm and hot potato salad sounds wonderful' ... :)
Have A Great Day, and My Very Best To You and Yours ... Have A Nice Day Old Friend'
just sayin'
AZ
Hi AZCowboy thanks for your information. Hope you and your beloved doing well. Hope to meet some day to have a good beer together.
Looking forward to see you in Germany.
Greetings just
Libor disbursement of funds starting. Ours could be next.
40210 4/20/2024 MOTION for Disbursement of Funds AFTER DETERMINATION OF REASONABLE FEES DUE, IF ANY. Document filed by David Klusendorf. Return Date set for 5/6/2024 at 11:59 PM.
If I counted how many”soons” were lobbied to expectant escrow owners I’d be counting for days.
JHD
You just wasted a post!
Yes, coming up with a magic day would reveal itself to perhaps someone having insider knowledge and of course we can’t have that Martha Stewart so better to keep it general, but …The word, “soon” is such a wonderful adverb that encompasses everything and nothing at all..😊
JHD
~ "ppffftt", Really ?, the "When" ? is obviously still a secret', COOP's "When" Revealed Here ? ? ?, could be considered "insider knowledge" (duh) ~
... always good for a small chuckle' ... here ya go, ... When = Soon'
"COOP" will "Tell" (LOL, pun intended)
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174278000
life lesson ! ! LOL', ... "the pea isn't under any of them" ... now, pay-up and move along ! ! LOL
just sayin'
AZ
When...lets see how good you are..When?
JHD
~ 2018' ol' cactus, 1st Time: "Watch The Newco WMIH / COOP It Is The "Tell" ... Now ?, 2024' ol' cactus, 2nd Time: "Watch The Newco WMIH / COOP It Is The "Tell" ... k ? ... ~
Make Sure That Your Brokerage (or bank, if used) Accounts Are All Up To Date; ... and Pay Attention (pun intended)
It Is My Opinion, that "COOP" will correct back to its original 100 million shares' ... reconstituting 36 million shares (ish) ... the final numbers will be perfect ! !
And', ... the Preferred Managing Sub' ! ! ... will settle up with the original' WMI Releasing Fixed Income Bonds' ... Separately ...
the SEC accounting filed and placed on the SEC site for this WMI Preferred Managing Sub, BOTH pre BK, and post reorganization is able to be reviewed by everyone' ... Showing the Cash In and the Cash Out Transactions, and I may add, ... "WELL BEYOND THE March 2012 WMI Plans Implementation" ...
The WMB Notes, ... are again, a Separate Consideration, and will transition with the Bank as described in the P&AA ... Oh, looked this morning, those WMB Bonds Are Doing Just Fine ! !
It Is My Opinion That, ... Things Are Gettin Better All The Time ...
"Abba Da Ayy"
just sayin'
AZ
"I have already posted and others have as well who XXXX is"
Then why not STOP using XXXX, and just state the name in your posts?
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Mr. Cooper Group Inc. (NASDAQ: COOP) provides quality servicing, origination and transaction-based services related principally to single-family residences throughout the United States with operations under its primary brands: Mr. Cooper® and Xome®. Mr. Cooper is one of the largest home loan servicers in the country focused on delivering a variety of servicing and lending products, services and technologies. Xome provides technology and data enhanced solutions to homebuyers, home sellers, real estate agents and mortgage companies.
Upon completion of the merger between WMIH Corp. and Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. on July 31, 2018, WMIH became the parent company of the Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. family including Mr. Cooper (Nationstar Mortgage LLC, d/b/a Mr. Cooper), Xome and Champion Mortgage (Nationstar Mortgage LLC d/b/a Champion).
As of October 10, 2018, Mr. Cooper Group Inc. is the new name of WMIH Corp. On July 31, 2018, WMIH, now Mr. Cooper Group, became the parent company of the Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. family including Mr. Cooper (Nationstar Mortgage LLC, d/b/a Mr. Cooper) and Xome.
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