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Don't they have members on the WMIH BOD now? no obligation to update, inform or give a damn at all? are you sure? This stock is at multi years lows and nobody at WMIH or KKR gives damn. ok got it. yeah, nothing personal just business, whatever helps you sleep at night.
That was stupid u should buy low sell high.... this PIG is
going lower, better sell fast while u still can
The bank was not bailed out, it was sold to JPM.the holding company is ours and KKR will do just fine on this deal as we will.no whining from me my friend.
As long as Kosturos is The Treasurer and Rosen is the LT Lawyer....WMIH is not going anywhere but STALE old Trash....M&A managers won't be able to do anything without our Escrow Equity Money Merged in with WMIH....Period.....Best
Its just business. Period. All the whining on this board needs to end. WMIH people/homeowners were duped by a corrupt entity (Washington Mutual, hell even I was.) its about time for the whining about KKR to cease. THEY BAILED OUT THE BANK. PERIOD!!!
Who cares about the drop lately, nobody is bring up the fact that it taking baby step to $.05 so far. It's up.
"Change in Control"
Who thinks this will be all over this month lol
AZ, shouldnt there be an 8k filing by now if WMIH no longer has the $6b NOL available for use?
PPS have been sky rocketing
-> AZ is Right <-
Volume is back to normal it appears, unless naked shorting drove price down, how soon till shorts cover? Btw ... thank you for your input. My dry powder is gone or I would be chasing.
Banks will be closed on Monday, October 9, for Columbus Day; however, the stock market will be open.
Azcowboy, I also bought some this morning.
Thanks Azcowboy. I am still here too!!
Ref: What agenda could the BOD have that would make them want to drop the share price?
Comment:
Greed! Executives / BOD, from my personal experience will do what they can, to control what they can, so as to personally profit. A lions share of compensation comes from stocks.
It's not uncommon to have Executives / BOD focus on their own personal prosperity.
Step 1 - Be able to accumulate more shares, PPS taking a nose dive.
Step 2 - Build Corp value, to this end PPS sling shot up.
My two cents, I see significant future value.
That's not happening.
or the market expects a corporate rate of 15%
CBA09, What agenda could the BOD have that would make them want to drop the share price?
There's no agenda. There are just some who know that he's wrong; something AZ will simply not acknowledge.
I have read all posts this morning. To put a lot of this to rest, GOOGLE "value WMIH NOL Jan.,1 2017" & see what you get.
I believe GOOGLE over the opinions here. Do not think there has been any change this year
AZ COWBOY & his D. D.
For all those whom attack, criticize, and undermine his educational posts you do so with agenda. Az has only shared his incredible grasp of issues and legal road map of this 9 year ordeal. He has stated only what he has determined to be of importance for equity and the financial outcome there within the stock.
If you are long or short a lot is to be learned from someone who at least, has a master’s comprehension of this case. I have never made decisions, placed trades, or bought or sold anything because of him. We all hopefully wear big boy pants and make our own decisions and will level with the reward or loss.
However what Az has provided is a road map for many including myself so I may make better decisions for myself. Az is a legit solid person for doing what he has done here. I personally am extremely grateful for his sharing his knowledge of this case and the issues at hand. So if you are long or short, a thinking human, have a good intellect, and are not arrogant to information that has credibility you would be wise to at minimal be glad he has shared what he has here and do with it what you may.
Cowboy regards,
Thanks’
B
Ax thanks for all your hard work. I understand exactly what you are saying. Once you showed what was said in court about the Capital Gain being more or the same dollar amount as the NOLs. It's all good far as I see it. Thanks again your input has been invaluable.
~ Lodas, Well Done & Thank You ~
I am a fan of yours, as I read all of your common sense presentations' you are also a true "investor"
... Thank You, ...
I basically stopped adding WMIH-Corp in Nov of 2013' ... and as the year transitioned, I began accumulating WMB Fixed Income Securities between Jan 2014 and June of 2015' ... (no easy task) ... the WMB Bond purchases on the secondary' dried up around March of 2016, just ahead of the "Settlement" signing in June of the same year'
anyway, ... IMO, WMIH-Corp is trading for less than simple value at these numbers, ... so I placed an AON order at the open and was filled (I was actually surprised') ...
good luck to you' as well ...
AZ
Do you have any idea why when they reincorporated in Delaware, that they authorized so many additional shares? That's always puzzled me.
AZCowboy..... don't let them goad you into any response about the accurate DD you have provided to this board... "Divide, and conquer" is their goal now that these mofos got the price moving downward...as You and Yanik just posted.. value is the play here, not the price movement... I just bought more stock myself this morning, and will continue buying the dips... Lodas
Yank..... I could not have said it better than your post.....got stock???. I do... buying all dips and have been here since Nate Toma spilled the beans and before.... good work... Lodas (who dares, wins)
disagree, if AZ were right this would be under a dime or lower.
~ Again, I Won't Argue ~
... "It Is What It Is" ...
Just about ? ... everything that I can think of has been attempted to discourage any retail participants from remaining involved' on this WaMu / WMIIC / WMI / WMIH-Corp ...
I have absolutely no idea who everyone truly is ? or, what their intentions may be' ...
... I added this morning' ... a lot' ... for two reasons' ...
1st, I can afford to'
2nd, I believe as S. Landefeld stated, that the "Equity Interest" in WMI Investment Corp, is worth more than 206 million shares X's 90 cents per share' ... 9 years later ?
... Not To Mention the value of WMMRC, which can now be sold (the original zelin' plan)
as in 2012 when I loaded up at the 50 cent level' ... once again, WMIH-Corp is able to be purchased for less than true value' and is now without debt' ...
(my own DD, and my own money)
AZ
IMO yes, RSI completely oversold
Chart: http://schrts.co/vnpXz3
well we are trading @ .88 so the market thinks AZ is right.
I have been here a long time and I will be glade when its over, I wish it was over this month...
Bounce Time
Or the Clay trader affect , the technicals are suggesting a bounce off 88 cent support.
~ Thanks Bond' Yes, It Can Be Confusing ~
These issues are complex, and this WaMu intertwined "dual tracking" legal process' has been a process like no other that I ever remember' ... World Class Firms' ...
... We' ... were never expected to ever initially be involved, yet were ... We' ... still expected to still be here after all of this time' ...
Plan 6 was supposed to end at the PIERS', and the WMB Noteholders were supposed to accept a Class 12 General Unsecured placement' ... That ? didn't work out' ...
... I'm still here' ...
AZ
I remember this conversation on BP with sarge and AZ , sarge provided a 600 ph. Link where on page 243 the conversation in court describes exactly what AZ is saying... my 2 cents
Yanik, very good post...Thank you
My 2 cents on the PPS
MVHO, the downwards movement of the stock price is driven by 2 key factors:
1. The pay off of the RONs, which is a legitimate reason to shave off 10 cents from the valuation
2. Fear that the SBP is expiring and it might...it seems likely that it will not be renewed.
It is all nuance, the execs have said that they prefer to continue to do business with KKR (before they look for alternatives in terms of financing). Nothing has changed fundamentally since Dec 2013 when the "first deal with KKR" was announced and the PPS is reflective of that. Of course, the company has burned through some cash for salaries and expenses etc. over the past 5 years since the exit. But the premise at least in the public eye has remained the same - large NOLs, SPE which needs financing etc. Yes, a lot of impatient hedge funds which came along and got out, since they were hoping to make a quick buck - it didn't happen.
Uncle Bo
You are confusing things here. The abandonment of WMB stock was a capital loss (CL), which could have been offset only by capital gains in the year the losses occurred, or IMO carried forward only 5 years. They asked the IRS, and they allowed to treat the loss as ordinary loss (OL), which can be carried forward as NOLs for about 30 years.
We have to be happy that it was treated as OL and NOT as CL!
Totally wrong...
IC what your saying!
or they lawyered up an are renegotiating the conversion price with this price drop.
AZ you claimed that WMIH's NOLs are gone. Now, caught making an obviously errant statement, you are pretending to have asserted something else, which btw is also wrong.
~ Simply Separate the Issues' ~
... As I said back in 2013' ... a Capital Loss IS NOT an NOL' ...
WMIH-Corp as the reorganized Washington Mutual, Inc. ... still has the availability of a Capital Loss Tax Advantage' ... within the IRS guidelines' ... timing issues were extended due to the Stay placed on the continuing litigation, ... now "Settled"
WMIH-Corp as the reorganized Washington Mutual, Inc. ... NO LONGER has the ability to claim NET OPERATING LOSS (NOL's) Tax advantages associated with the banking sub, WMB' ... now that WMB has transitioned to JPMC with the completion of the P&A Agreement' ...
... The NOL Tax Advantage is no longer available' ...
AZ
That is not the question. Of course NOL's can be offset by (any) capital gains. That is what they are for, right?!?!
ron and you said, WMIHs NOLs are gone!
WMIHs $5.9 bln NOLs resulted from the "worthless stock abandonment" of WMB. Abandonment!
And if more money has been paid for WMB, not WMIH would benefit, but the WMILT. Right? So it would make WMIH worthless without any NOLs and any payment received (payment wnet to WMILT) right?
IMO big big BS!!!
TD Ameritrade To ELIMINATE ST FRIP program
Any ST investors should call their brokers and voice their concern. I also called TD Ameritrade to let them know they will lose my business if they do away with this program.
Plenty of other brokers begging for my cash.
I was told they are taking note of all calls regarding this, both companies. Do your part if you enjoy your FRIP program, which is the best in the industry.
In my opinion it could be either of those, but not likely. I think you need to totally disconnect this company/stock from anything logical or fundamental when it comes to its trading.
No material events in a negative light have been represented recently, but rather one positive press release regarding the company paying cash to close out those notes which were draining funds slowly with interest every quarter that they were not paid off.
I for one am glad they are now paid in full and is one less thing the company has as a obligation to deal with. As far as the recent price movement is concerned like i said its nothing based on news or rational. Someone or some groups of people with not even that sizable margin accounts can short//purchase/manipulate a stock like this one easily due to the low volume and share price.
It does not take a lot for them to move it in one direction or another on such small volume. Sentiment also plays a role in those peoples strategy. Funny how some certain names keep beating the same drum beat day in day out while others only show up to post something outlandishly negative based on no facts when its moving in said direction.
To sum up I do not concern myself with the daily movements of pennys in one direction or another. Material events and facts are what really matters going forward. everything else you hear is just noise and static trying to goad a reaction out of you or to stress some holders out of their positions. I dont let the ramblings of someone with alterior motives effect me or the facts on the ground.
My position could be underwater upwards of 75% and i still would not budge a inch because i know its just trading based on no material information and low volume movements which can easily be controlled daily.
I feel secure actually that so many people are so interested in some no name company with no business to speak of, limited volume, and share price. with all the easier targets and other places to be they still spend so much time here? why is that you have to ask yourself. Once you answer that question ask why the major hedge funds and investment grade funds are not budging either. they usually know of material events before the common man does, but yet they watch the daily low volume movement and just sit on said positions. might it be because they know what they have and have the patience to realize a longer term gain on a longer term investment? I personally think so.
I think its very telling when the same group of people are trying to shift sentiment to the negative spectrum based on what? peoples lack of patience? low volume to the downside? Just remember material events are what will determine the earnings potential going forwards as well as future valuations. Nothing negative nor positive has happened materially so it does not reflect reality. When a material event like a M&A Only then will the share price start to reflect its true value or at least start to move in a logical direction and not what has been going on during the long period of radio silence to the public from the company by which any individual or group with deeper pockets coupled with low volume and a loud bullhorn can try to shift sentiment to their favor to grind out money from those people without the patience or realization of whats going on.
This is all just in my opinion of course. Hence why i rarely post these days as nothing has materially happened and I like many others are waiting for the company to deploy its financial assets to drive earnings forwards for its shareholders.
Have a nice weekend everyone. back to lurking.
AZ: Then why have WMIH's SEC filings continuously referred to the existence of the $6 billion in NOLS? Are you suggesting that the officers, directors, accountants and lawyers for WMIH are lying? That is the only possible way to square the filings with your posts.
I think this particularly obvious errant conclusion of yours will ultimately cause many on this board to finally question the validity of your other conclusions.
He's wrong about the NOLs. There is no doubt about that whatsoever.
~ JusticeWillWin, Well, I Just Believe J. Carreon To Be Correct ~
To be more specific, I agree with him' and I also agree with his premise and his presentation to Judge Walrath' ...
As a business owner myself, ... what he said has always made sense to me' ...
I am legally able to utilize an IRS Tax Advantage associated with any "LOSS" ... However, ... If I decide to SELL, or COMPLETE a contractual arrangement TO SELL' the asset associated with the depreciation I am claiming, SO GOES The Tax write off' ...
Beyond reading the case files in BOTH Judge Collyer and Judge Walrath's Court, ... I also listened attentively to all of the Court Proceedings and took notes associated to what I believed would become relevant into the future' ... I found Carreon's presentation to Judge Walrath quite interesting' ... to me ? ... it made sense'
I believe that J.Carreon Told Judge Walrath the TRUTH regarding this issue' ...
AZ
I am not saying AZ is right but I think he is saying that the assets from wmi caused a capital gain and that absorbed the nols. I am spit balling here.
No, the current conversion range of the Series B is between $1.75 and $2.25, and because of the current VWAP far below $1.75 it is the floor $1.75 that will be used for conversion. That should support the current PPS, not bring it down. Then KKR has 30.7 million warrants for $1.32 and another 30.7 million for $1.43. And the KKR Series A convert @ $1.10. IMO all these prices should support the PPS IMO, not bring it down...
Honestly, I don't know what is going on here, but I added yesterday below $0.89
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