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COOP can be $95+ OVERNIGHT when NEWS about the successful MONETIZATION of their subsidiary XOME hit the wires IMO...
This is a long planned strategic initiative as the BOD confirmed in the last earnings call...
I care not about the existence or non existence of WAMU assets and even less about your narrative regarding the aforementioned! Just LMAO that one’s ego is so big that his/her opinion is valued as much by others as his/her own.
HOLDING COMPANY WAS NOT TOUCHED SUNSHINE !!!!!!!!!!!!! FACTS ARE FACTS !!!!!!!!!!!
Q1 ends in a few days, has COOP given any guidance for earnings?
the values that you held in WAMU, and WMI ceased to exist when the chapter 11 was ratified by all claimants to the agreement.. WMI abandoned its ownership of all outstanding stock in WAMU..you are not a shareholder in WAMU anymore, nor do you have any rights to assets of WMI....WMI retains Title to all assets outside the chapter 11 closing, and BELONG TO THE REORGANIZED DEBTOR.... this fact is clearly stated in the amended POR 7 which you did not read..... now, MAKE YOUR CASE WHY YOU WILL BE PAID MONEY OUTSIDE THE CHAPTER 11 CLOSING!!!!!!!!...state clearly your assertions with documentation that will refute what the official documents say.... in addition, submit a rebuttal to the statement that Rosen said in the WMIL-T FAQ that WMI held no SAFE HARBOR ASSETS, and that they were all sold off to the GSE's.... Lodas
LATEST COOP short-interest today AFTER 4:00 p.m. ET
https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/coop/short-interest
Boris,
So you know of escrow marker holders that have been contacted by wealth mangers concerning their upcoming payments for their markers? I haven't seen anyone say that but hope it's true. Is there a link to someone saying this?
Regards
Excellent logical Point!
"(If ? our returns were to be so easily ratio divided by the wrongfully promoted, 75/25' nonsense, then only ONE Cusip would have been used' ."
That is why you should own both…
JPM : $196 ish
COOP : $76 ish
JPM : COOP Ratio : 2.5 ish
COOP’s volume has dried up. Less than 63,000 shares traded so far and it’s 1.:24 PM EST.
But the saddest part of your post, is that you are responding to a Spam Advertisement!!!! WOW.
MRPENNYS
Sad part is, ifin we get anywhere NEAR the amounts that have been discussed here, ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL HERE WILL BE POTENTIAL TARGETS
And, IF IF IF there is any kind of $$$ coming back to the estate, it will ALL go to impaired Class 18, and there will be nothing left for 19 and above.
If anyone on this board feels that this is unfair and unreasonable, you should file a claim with the FDIC:
FDIC as Receiver of Washington Mutual Bank
1601 Bryan Street, Suite 1410
Dallas, TX 75201-3479
Attention: Claims Agent
(888) 206-4662
WAMU and WMI does not exist anymore....shares were cancelled, extinguished, and all rights of preferred shares under the prospectus were deemed null and void...JPM did not want the unsecured debt, those went to the FDIC and is holding them for the 14 billion dollar deficit in the balance sheet of WAMU...Rosen said WMI held no Safe Harbor assets...this fact is borne out in the 2013 WMIH 10-K SEC document... there will be no additional recovery for common and preferred classes 19, and 22, as they were deemed "impaired" by the chapter 11 closing document... all escrow "markers" were deleted by WMIH when it exited chapter 11 as being "worthless"... now , make your case why you will be given added recovery... sunshine.... Lodas
AND ""IF LEFT ON IT'S OWN to move forward with NO FORWARD SPLITS will be 500 in time, aprox 10 yrs"" imho
I remember you saying that BOB... well done!!!!... time for us to take another leg up here.
AIMHO, STRIKE
I never doubted as the company has been OVER BUILT from day one.
I said once we exited BK that we would be 50-150 in 5 yrs
BOB... the trajectory of COOP has been truly amazing... I've done well so far here but really wish I loaded the boat of course. I remember when I added in the low $30's and wondered how much more this would truly go... SMH... LOL
AIMHO, STRIKE
Strike
As you and all here know, I HAVE NEVER DOUBTED what COOP will be
""A HUGE MEGA MULTINATIONAL FINANCIAL CONGLOMERATE"", with a VERY VERY WEALTHY GRANDFATHER able to make it so
Roger that BOB... I agree Coburn WAS a man to be respected and trusted (before his demise)... it's the many corrupt slugs that he and others dealt with day in and day out that worry me. I never close a door but let others do that (burn the bridge)... looking back to my first attendance in DE and fast forward to now just boggles my mind. To say it would be nice for an eventual positive outcome here is an understatement.
Each of my careers has required me to work in an environment of irrefutable evidence... as you have said for so long... this is going to either be a hero or zero. I prefer the hero... LOL
For now, COOP and a few other holdings of mine are the tell.
AIMHO, STRIKE
STRIKE
Remember one thing
Senator Tom Coburns call to me
""THIS WAMU THING ISN'T OVER BY A LONG SHOT and it will be taken care of""
He was a very honorable man and one of the FEW in DC I respected and trusted
$COOP price targets====>DEUTSCHE BANK👉$88, Piper Sandler👉$88, UBS👉$86, Wedbush👉$85, KBW👉$81, Barclays👉$80, Compass Point👉$76
For those of us wondering why things take SOOOOO long... Mastercard just settled their swipe fee lawsuit that stemmed from a class action lawsuit back to 2005!!!! Amazing how some can drag things out without any repercussions for that length of time... not always what you know, but who you know.
AIMHO, STRIKE
Then how is it possible that JPMC was able to sell off Washington Mutual’s headquarter building, works of art, aviation assets, etc?
Source: DefenseWorld.net (this morning)
Vanguard Group Inc. raised its holdings in Mr. Cooper Group Inc. (NASDAQ:COOP – Free Report) by 1.1% in the 3rd quarter, according to the company in its most recent 13F filing with the SEC. The fund owned 7,234,258 shares of the company’s stock after purchasing an additional 77,838 shares during the quarter. Vanguard Group Inc. owned approximately 10.98% of Mr. Cooper Group worth $387,467,000 as of its most recent SEC filing.
As PICK said... COOP is the Tell... LET'S SEE $80+ !!!! Pre-market up $0.42
FACT, STRIKE
Lol … 80 and a new all time high will be nice. Let’s go!!
WOW....I GUESS I WAS RIGHT SUNSHINE !!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CANT TOUCH WMI HOLDING COMPANY !!!! PERIOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"". Excluded from the transaction are the senior unsecured debt, subordinated debt, and preferred stock of Washington Mutual's banks. JPMorgan Chase will not be acquiring any assets or liabilities of the banks' parent holding company (WM) or the holding company's non-bank subsidiaries.""
MANY.....MANY BILLIONS of DOLLARS coming to ESCROWS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MARK IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote: “We may get paid and we may not.”
Either you believe or you don’t….you have provided better dd than Cactus, large green or others….the question now is either you believe or you don’t….april right around the corner…..for now coop is the tell…
Correct Ron. Few know about the FDICC. Thats possibly where our money resides.
My fear has always been the corruption and evil pervasive in this fd up country. Our court system is a mess. Will justice prevail for us, or did the crooks rob us and get away with their crime, as many do these days.
We may get paid and we may not.
And What JPM Did Acquire.
JPM will be paying for.
“WMB and it’s assets”.
“Willful Misconduct”.
IMO, JPM has been making payments to the FDIC-C for WMB and it’s assets to keep the interest rate accumulation down.
The FDIC-C just hasn’t passed the numbers yet to the FDIC-R. The FDIC-R is still generating the final numbers due to the LIBOR litigation.
Resolution in process.
Ron
I got lucky... bought before it popped... I'll sit on it... and yes, tomorrow will be exciting, no doubt!!
AIMHO, STRIKE
You never know it could be huge….
It is going to be a fun day!!!!
PICK... I did that with NVDA backed "SOUN"... rode it to $10 and stayed in... money I can lose but feel this AI play could actually be something down the road... who knows... (NOT WORTHY OF INVESTMENT ADVICE FOR ANYONE).
AIMHO, STRIKE
Roger that PICK... I'm going to do the same!!
FACT, STRIKE
B3... I hope all of the crooks rot in H or somewhere very cold (or very hot). So many to list... there is no way this bankruptcy was on the "up and up"... NFW.
AIMHO, STRIKE
Just trying to get the facts and understand how everyone is thinking here............
So we had JPM paying $1.9 Billion to the FDIC in 2008, and taking over ownership of WAMU.
But you are saying that somehow they left $800 Billion on the table .
And now old Equity Shareholders can just walk in 15++ Years later, declare ownership. and become Millionaires?
I find it interesting. BK Vultures usually eat 99.999% of the Carcass.
I hear ya BTS... with the passing of so many years here... most are frustrated for many reasons... me too.
"Nothing is for sure"... other than many of us are still here and we seemingly STILL have some unanswered issues/questions. I do feel resolutions to open items will come to pass (sooner than later)... relative to the 15 years (SMH).
I for one am glad for all contributors on this board... no matter what... some more... some much less...
And yes... it would be nice if justice prevails!!!!... I'm still focused on COOP.
AIMHO, STRIKE
Is Hold2wm cactus alias as he too is predicting something soon…
DMDMD posted stuff in 2008….but nothing recent….by May1, 2024…..you will either validate or post more theories…
This was documented in 2008….anything more recent…..
Roger that GOODIE... thanks BTS!!
STRIKE
IF... there is a pot of gold for some... it would seem this is where the flow (might) come from... my door is always open if it comes back to me.
AIMHO, STRIKE
THANKS SPLIT T
"". Excluded from the transaction are the senior unsecured debt, subordinated debt, and preferred stock of Washington Mutual's banks. JPMorgan Chase will not be acquiring any assets or liabilities of the banks' parent holding company (WM) or the holding company's non-bank subsidiaries.""
We've been saying this now for HOW MANY YEARS and some just can't see it or read it
OH and BTW that includes
1. 3 WELLS FARGO ACCTS
2. DST
3. POSSIBLE MINERALS
4. Brick and mortars THAT I CONTEND THE HOLDING CO HELD ( THAT's THE WAY WE DO IT)
ECT ECT ECT
Boris, Thank you for the reply.
BTS... I missed it but will go back and check it out... thanks.
EDIT... interesting... and seems to me to be "irrefutable". I would be curious what some (anyone) think of the filing with respects to the holding company.
STRIKE
Did you read the filing Split posted?
Roger that BTS... "irrefutable"... would you kindly let me know the source?... much appreciated!
AIMHO, STRIKE
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Mr. Cooper Group Inc. (NASDAQ: COOP) provides quality servicing, origination and transaction-based services related principally to single-family residences throughout the United States with operations under its primary brands: Mr. Cooper® and Xome®. Mr. Cooper is one of the largest home loan servicers in the country focused on delivering a variety of servicing and lending products, services and technologies. Xome provides technology and data enhanced solutions to homebuyers, home sellers, real estate agents and mortgage companies.
Upon completion of the merger between WMIH Corp. and Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. on July 31, 2018, WMIH became the parent company of the Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. family including Mr. Cooper (Nationstar Mortgage LLC, d/b/a Mr. Cooper), Xome and Champion Mortgage (Nationstar Mortgage LLC d/b/a Champion).
As of October 10, 2018, Mr. Cooper Group Inc. is the new name of WMIH Corp. On July 31, 2018, WMIH, now Mr. Cooper Group, became the parent company of the Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. family including Mr. Cooper (Nationstar Mortgage LLC, d/b/a Mr. Cooper) and Xome.
As early as late 2006, WaMu would begin to become a victim of what would eventually become the worst recession in US history since the Great Depression of 1929. WaMu's aggressive business strategy would begin to unfold throughout the end of 2006 and become increasingly disastrous through 2007. As housing rates were at all time highs before the recession began, WaMu would use its considerable leverage and assets to make large amounts of loans in both subprime mortgages and subprime credit cards. The banking division of WaMu at one point before the end of 2007 had nearly 336 stand-alone branch buildings where various types of home loans were processed and approved. WaMu would eventually over leverage themselves due to the high number of Adjustable Rate Mortgages (ARMs). As the US economy slowed down, the number of home loan defaults began to rise in quick succession. This coupled with the falling home prices throughout most of the US meant that even with foreclosures and the properties back in the hands of the company, they were unable to sell them back into the market, or were not able to derive enough revenue from the sale to cover the loan that was made on them. In the mean time, the credit card division was also seeing a surge in the number of late and non payments being made.
By September of 2008, WaMu's stock price had fallen to $2 from its previous highs of around $50 just two years earlier. Amid strong voices from the shareholders, then company CEO Kerry Killinger was dismissed by the company board. In the meantime, the company went looking for a buyer for part of its banking division. WaMu had been unsuccessful in finding an appropriate buy until its seizure by the FDIC. Overnight the companies banking division was bought by JP Morgan Chase in a secret deal brokered by the FDIC for 1.9 billion dollars. Washington Mutual Inc. has reorganized to Washington Mutual Holding Inc. WITH SHAREHOLDERS INTACT
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