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But the saddest part of your post, is that you are responding to a Spam Advertisement!!!! WOW.
MRPENNYS
Sad part is, ifin we get anywhere NEAR the amounts that have been discussed here, ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL HERE WILL BE POTENTIAL TARGETS
And, IF IF IF there is any kind of $$$ coming back to the estate, it will ALL go to impaired Class 18, and there will be nothing left for 19 and above.
If anyone on this board feels that this is unfair and unreasonable, you should file a claim with the FDIC:
FDIC as Receiver of Washington Mutual Bank
1601 Bryan Street, Suite 1410
Dallas, TX 75201-3479
Attention: Claims Agent
(888) 206-4662
WAMU and WMI does not exist anymore....shares were cancelled, extinguished, and all rights of preferred shares under the prospectus were deemed null and void...JPM did not want the unsecured debt, those went to the FDIC and is holding them for the 14 billion dollar deficit in the balance sheet of WAMU...Rosen said WMI held no Safe Harbor assets...this fact is borne out in the 2013 WMIH 10-K SEC document... there will be no additional recovery for common and preferred classes 19, and 22, as they were deemed "impaired" by the chapter 11 closing document... all escrow "markers" were deleted by WMIH when it exited chapter 11 as being "worthless"... now , make your case why you will be given added recovery... sunshine.... Lodas
AND ""IF LEFT ON IT'S OWN to move forward with NO FORWARD SPLITS will be 500 in time, aprox 10 yrs"" imho
I remember you saying that BOB... well done!!!!... time for us to take another leg up here.
AIMHO, STRIKE
I never doubted as the company has been OVER BUILT from day one.
I said once we exited BK that we would be 50-150 in 5 yrs
BOB... the trajectory of COOP has been truly amazing... I've done well so far here but really wish I loaded the boat of course. I remember when I added in the low $30's and wondered how much more this would truly go... SMH... LOL
AIMHO, STRIKE
Strike
As you and all here know, I HAVE NEVER DOUBTED what COOP will be
""A HUGE MEGA MULTINATIONAL FINANCIAL CONGLOMERATE"", with a VERY VERY WEALTHY GRANDFATHER able to make it so
Roger that BOB... I agree Coburn WAS a man to be respected and trusted (before his demise)... it's the many corrupt slugs that he and others dealt with day in and day out that worry me. I never close a door but let others do that (burn the bridge)... looking back to my first attendance in DE and fast forward to now just boggles my mind. To say it would be nice for an eventual positive outcome here is an understatement.
Each of my careers has required me to work in an environment of irrefutable evidence... as you have said for so long... this is going to either be a hero or zero. I prefer the hero... LOL
For now, COOP and a few other holdings of mine are the tell.
AIMHO, STRIKE
STRIKE
Remember one thing
Senator Tom Coburns call to me
""THIS WAMU THING ISN'T OVER BY A LONG SHOT and it will be taken care of""
He was a very honorable man and one of the FEW in DC I respected and trusted
$COOP price targets====>DEUTSCHE BANK👉$88, Piper Sandler👉$88, UBS👉$86, Wedbush👉$85, KBW👉$81, Barclays👉$80, Compass Point👉$76
For those of us wondering why things take SOOOOO long... Mastercard just settled their swipe fee lawsuit that stemmed from a class action lawsuit back to 2005!!!! Amazing how some can drag things out without any repercussions for that length of time... not always what you know, but who you know.
AIMHO, STRIKE
Then how is it possible that JPMC was able to sell off Washington Mutual’s headquarter building, works of art, aviation assets, etc?
Source: DefenseWorld.net (this morning)
Vanguard Group Inc. raised its holdings in Mr. Cooper Group Inc. (NASDAQ:COOP – Free Report) by 1.1% in the 3rd quarter, according to the company in its most recent 13F filing with the SEC. The fund owned 7,234,258 shares of the company’s stock after purchasing an additional 77,838 shares during the quarter. Vanguard Group Inc. owned approximately 10.98% of Mr. Cooper Group worth $387,467,000 as of its most recent SEC filing.
As PICK said... COOP is the Tell... LET'S SEE $80+ !!!! Pre-market up $0.42
FACT, STRIKE
Lol … 80 and a new all time high will be nice. Let’s go!!
WOW....I GUESS I WAS RIGHT SUNSHINE !!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CANT TOUCH WMI HOLDING COMPANY !!!! PERIOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"". Excluded from the transaction are the senior unsecured debt, subordinated debt, and preferred stock of Washington Mutual's banks. JPMorgan Chase will not be acquiring any assets or liabilities of the banks' parent holding company (WM) or the holding company's non-bank subsidiaries.""
MANY.....MANY BILLIONS of DOLLARS coming to ESCROWS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MARK IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote: “We may get paid and we may not.”
Either you believe or you don’t….you have provided better dd than Cactus, large green or others….the question now is either you believe or you don’t….april right around the corner…..for now coop is the tell…
Correct Ron. Few know about the FDICC. Thats possibly where our money resides.
My fear has always been the corruption and evil pervasive in this fd up country. Our court system is a mess. Will justice prevail for us, or did the crooks rob us and get away with their crime, as many do these days.
We may get paid and we may not.
And What JPM Did Acquire.
JPM will be paying for.
“WMB and it’s assets”.
“Willful Misconduct”.
IMO, JPM has been making payments to the FDIC-C for WMB and it’s assets to keep the interest rate accumulation down.
The FDIC-C just hasn’t passed the numbers yet to the FDIC-R. The FDIC-R is still generating the final numbers due to the LIBOR litigation.
Resolution in process.
Ron
I got lucky... bought before it popped... I'll sit on it... and yes, tomorrow will be exciting, no doubt!!
AIMHO, STRIKE
You never know it could be huge….
It is going to be a fun day!!!!
PICK... I did that with NVDA backed "SOUN"... rode it to $10 and stayed in... money I can lose but feel this AI play could actually be something down the road... who knows... (NOT WORTHY OF INVESTMENT ADVICE FOR ANYONE).
AIMHO, STRIKE
Roger that PICK... I'm going to do the same!!
FACT, STRIKE
B3... I hope all of the crooks rot in H or somewhere very cold (or very hot). So many to list... there is no way this bankruptcy was on the "up and up"... NFW.
AIMHO, STRIKE
Just trying to get the facts and understand how everyone is thinking here............
So we had JPM paying $1.9 Billion to the FDIC in 2008, and taking over ownership of WAMU.
But you are saying that somehow they left $800 Billion on the table .
And now old Equity Shareholders can just walk in 15++ Years later, declare ownership. and become Millionaires?
I find it interesting. BK Vultures usually eat 99.999% of the Carcass.
I hear ya BTS... with the passing of so many years here... most are frustrated for many reasons... me too.
"Nothing is for sure"... other than many of us are still here and we seemingly STILL have some unanswered issues/questions. I do feel resolutions to open items will come to pass (sooner than later)... relative to the 15 years (SMH).
I for one am glad for all contributors on this board... no matter what... some more... some much less...
And yes... it would be nice if justice prevails!!!!... I'm still focused on COOP.
AIMHO, STRIKE
Is Hold2wm cactus alias as he too is predicting something soon…
DMDMD posted stuff in 2008….but nothing recent….by May1, 2024…..you will either validate or post more theories…
This was documented in 2008….anything more recent…..
Roger that GOODIE... thanks BTS!!
STRIKE
IF... there is a pot of gold for some... it would seem this is where the flow (might) come from... my door is always open if it comes back to me.
AIMHO, STRIKE
THANKS SPLIT T
"". Excluded from the transaction are the senior unsecured debt, subordinated debt, and preferred stock of Washington Mutual's banks. JPMorgan Chase will not be acquiring any assets or liabilities of the banks' parent holding company (WM) or the holding company's non-bank subsidiaries.""
We've been saying this now for HOW MANY YEARS and some just can't see it or read it
OH and BTW that includes
1. 3 WELLS FARGO ACCTS
2. DST
3. POSSIBLE MINERALS
4. Brick and mortars THAT I CONTEND THE HOLDING CO HELD ( THAT's THE WAY WE DO IT)
ECT ECT ECT
Boris, Thank you for the reply.
BTS... I missed it but will go back and check it out... thanks.
EDIT... interesting... and seems to me to be "irrefutable". I would be curious what some (anyone) think of the filing with respects to the holding company.
STRIKE
Did you read the filing Split posted?
Roger that BTS... "irrefutable"... would you kindly let me know the source?... much appreciated!
AIMHO, STRIKE
Thanks split t.
Yes WMI assets were not involved in the seizure. Many still dont understand that! Thats where the big money is.
Plus Jpm still must pay for the bank as Ron has stated repeatedly here. The 1.8b was just an administrative fee. Geesh.
The silence of the hedgies is deafening. They know much more than we peons.
This is going to be a big year for escrows IMO.
Coattails
"JPMorgan Chase will not be acquiring any assets or liabilities of the banks' parent holding company (WM) or the holding company's non-bank subsidiaries."
This says it all about the WMI assets.
A beautiful thing.....irrefutable.
Thanks split t.
Yes WMI assets were not involved in the seizure. Many still dont understand that! Thats where the big money is.
Plus Jpm still must pay for the bank as Ron has stated repeatedly here. The 1.8b was just an administrative fee. Geesh.
The silence of the hedgies is deafening. They know much more than we peons.
This is going to be a big year for escrows IMO.
Coattails
Goodie, we dont know how long disbursement from a Libor settle will take. My guess is a few months. It depends on how big the settlement is. Once details are announced I agree with some that our brokers will offer loans to those clients who wish to get funds sooner.
We should know something by Apr 12 one way or other.
The next date is Oct 4 when discovery is due.
Hard to say. I know hold2wm has stated he thinks this could happen any day now.
General Discussion - WMILT and Escrows / WMI Assets that the WMILT had no jurisdiction over
IMO...I decided to start a new topic because this is important to point out since there is some major confusion.
Bankruptcy process of Chapter 11 cases of WMI and WMIIC:
1) Judge Walrath repeatedly stated that non-banking bankruptcy remote assets were not allowed into the bankruptcy proceedings
2) What are the non-banking bankruptcy remote assets?
a) legacy WMI shareholders own the beneficial interests to $101.9 billion original face amount of securitized loans into MBS Trusts (the current value is potentially between $800 billion to $827 billion)
*Long Beach Mortgage (which securitized $165 billion into MBS Trusts) was a non-banking subsidiary. In fact, the regulator for Long Beach Mortgage was not the FDIC or OTS but rather the State of California, thus the FDIC had no jurisdiction over Long Beach Mortgage
**FDIC has stated explicitly that the securitized loans in MBS Trusts are isolated from the jurisdiction of the FDIC
b) real estate (unknown value)
c) mineral rights (unknown value)
d) other miscellaneous assets
3) FDIC LIBOR litigation potential settlement proceeds ($400 billion claim against defendant banks, potential payout to WMI is unknown)
4) There was a press release as of September 25, 2008 that explicitly stated that the FDIC did not seize (or transfer to JPMC) any WMI non-banking assets.
Per joint press release by JPMC and FDIC on September 25, 2008:
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/19617/000119312508201638/dex991.htm
" New York, Sept. 25, 2008 – JPMorgan Chase & Co. (NYSE: JPM) tonight announced it has acquired all deposits, assets and certain liabilities of Washington Mutual's banking operations from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), effective immediately. Excluded from the transaction are the senior unsecured debt, subordinated debt, and preferred stock of Washington Mutual's banks. JPMorgan Chase will not be acquiring any assets or liabilities of the banks' parent holding company (WM) or the holding company's non-bank subsidiaries. As part of this transaction, JPMorgan Chase will make a payment of approximately $1.9 billion to the FDIC."
5) The WMILT only has jurisdiction over bankruptcy estate assets, not any non-banking bankruptcy remote assets
]Courtesy of dmdmd1
" Libor is looming"
How long after a settlement is announced, will they say where it is going and when it will get there?
By the end of April you will have your and cactus assumptions answered or you will be coming up with new theories…..big money coming soon in 2050….
While big dog is no longer a secret..”The Big Dog" ... (XXXX)”. Just say it by name…..tell everyone how great an investor you are to buy single digits and sell 46-50……than state you no longer had any shares of coop to now you still have a bunch of shares….as the pps goes beyond you 50.00 mark…..
~ Kilshaw, Not Specific only to "COOP", ... Not My Research ! !, (Thanks to Another) ... However, IMO', "Applicable" to OUR Own WaMu Process, Our "Segregated" Submitted Releases' and W-9's Submitted to OUR Brokerage Accounts, Maintaining OUR ... "Specific Ownership to a released, P' a K' or ... or wamuq Ownership" ... "Tracking Markers" ~
"book-entry securities are to be transferred from the account of a DTC participant to the account of a Clearstream Banking SA participant or a Euroclear participant, the purchaser must send instructions to Clearstream Banking SA or Euroclear through a participant at least one business day prior to settlement. Clearstream Banking SA or Euroclear, as the case may be, will instruct its U.S. agent to receive book-entry securities against payment. After settlement, Clearstream Banking SA or Euroclear will credit its participant's account. Credit for the book-entry securities will appear on the next day (European time)."
The escrow positions in our account history will be reactivated soon. Libor is looming and will likely be the first avenue of several payment possibilities.
This looks like a great year for our escrows.
Pliss, And and and don’t forget the massive amount of $$ all naysayers are earning, putting in all those extra hours and on weekends !!!
I held various classes of Lehman Brothers (preferred, equity, and hybrid CTs) and CUSIPs for several of them were no longer showing in my account, but recently, they returned and it says "possible future distribution."
Is this what we may see happen with our disappeared WMIH CUSIPs?
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Mr. Cooper Group Inc. (NASDAQ: COOP) provides quality servicing, origination and transaction-based services related principally to single-family residences throughout the United States with operations under its primary brands: Mr. Cooper® and Xome®. Mr. Cooper is one of the largest home loan servicers in the country focused on delivering a variety of servicing and lending products, services and technologies. Xome provides technology and data enhanced solutions to homebuyers, home sellers, real estate agents and mortgage companies.
Upon completion of the merger between WMIH Corp. and Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. on July 31, 2018, WMIH became the parent company of the Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. family including Mr. Cooper (Nationstar Mortgage LLC, d/b/a Mr. Cooper), Xome and Champion Mortgage (Nationstar Mortgage LLC d/b/a Champion).
As of October 10, 2018, Mr. Cooper Group Inc. is the new name of WMIH Corp. On July 31, 2018, WMIH, now Mr. Cooper Group, became the parent company of the Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. family including Mr. Cooper (Nationstar Mortgage LLC, d/b/a Mr. Cooper) and Xome.
As early as late 2006, WaMu would begin to become a victim of what would eventually become the worst recession in US history since the Great Depression of 1929. WaMu's aggressive business strategy would begin to unfold throughout the end of 2006 and become increasingly disastrous through 2007. As housing rates were at all time highs before the recession began, WaMu would use its considerable leverage and assets to make large amounts of loans in both subprime mortgages and subprime credit cards. The banking division of WaMu at one point before the end of 2007 had nearly 336 stand-alone branch buildings where various types of home loans were processed and approved. WaMu would eventually over leverage themselves due to the high number of Adjustable Rate Mortgages (ARMs). As the US economy slowed down, the number of home loan defaults began to rise in quick succession. This coupled with the falling home prices throughout most of the US meant that even with foreclosures and the properties back in the hands of the company, they were unable to sell them back into the market, or were not able to derive enough revenue from the sale to cover the loan that was made on them. In the mean time, the credit card division was also seeing a surge in the number of late and non payments being made.
By September of 2008, WaMu's stock price had fallen to $2 from its previous highs of around $50 just two years earlier. Amid strong voices from the shareholders, then company CEO Kerry Killinger was dismissed by the company board. In the meantime, the company went looking for a buyer for part of its banking division. WaMu had been unsuccessful in finding an appropriate buy until its seizure by the FDIC. Overnight the companies banking division was bought by JP Morgan Chase in a secret deal brokered by the FDIC for 1.9 billion dollars. Washington Mutual Inc. has reorganized to Washington Mutual Holding Inc. WITH SHAREHOLDERS INTACT
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