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AZ or anyone...........
Please help..............
I have escrows hidden away on my Schwab acco.
What do I need to do in reference to this post from AZ ??
Thanks kindly
where do you see any reference in this document that this DTCC is related to WMI, WMIH?????.........this document references shares in the DTCC only!!!!!!.... has nothing to do with the chapter 11 closing, or payments to equity holders outside the chapter 11 closing......also, give proof for your assertion that escrows removed from brokerage accounts pertain only to the chapter 11 closing.....your post is a pile of speculation at best, and a pile of cr*p at the worst......Lodas
Hi Folks, I phoned at least two banks, banks that have S.1 portfolios, I asked how long ESCROW will remain in the historic register.
The bank agent told me: until 2036.
Ergo: Nothing is lost, everything is prosecutable in case of need.
Those moles who scribble here in the room, do so for private reasons.
Folks everything will be fine bye bye
AZ
AGAIN we seem to agree on some things
"""~ Merely "Deemed" Worthless, as Applicable to the Completed wmi-lt' ... NOT' worthless as applicable to a Released Ownership of the Completed entire' WMI Holding Company's Reorganization ~
... Individual Plan' Participation Releases and W-9's submitted to one's Broker or Bank ... by cusip and by an individual's amount owned' ...
Also, This is the ... FIRST ... time I've read a reference to a Class A, ... AND ... a Class B Preferred ... I've only ever found the Accounting for the Preferred Managing Subsidiary, directly related to a Released P' ... However, I'm thinking that an original released K' ... COULD BE ? ... considered a Class B' ... ? ... ? ... ? ... 1st time I've seen that reference'"""
The """K SHARES""" were nothing but a subset of ""P""" BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT at a ratio of 40/1 which has been stated here many times over
~ Go COOP' and the Share Buy Backs', ... Oh and I Thought That This Paragraph Was Beautiful ! ! ~
"This reallocation process is required to be done at least once every three years. Since the last reallocation occurred in 2021, a reallocation is scheduled for 2024. The 2024 reallocation is currently anticipated to be completed on April 30, 2024 (the “Settlement Date”), and will be based upon the use of services of the Clearing Agencies from January 1, 2021 through December 31, 2023. Voluntary Purchaser Participants will be notified through the DocuSign® electronic signature service of their opportunity to purchase or obligation to sell Common Shares during the first week of April 2024. Mandatory Purchaser Participants will be notified via email from Computershare Web Service that a notice concerning their obligation to purchase or sell Common Shares is available on Computershare’s
Investor Center during the third week of April 2024, and these purchases are expected to settle on the Settlement Date. Please refer to the following pages (Questions and Answers on the DTCC Common Stock Reallocation) for additional information"
https://www.dtcc.com/-/media/Files/pdf/2024/4/1/MBS1317-24.pdf
Abba Da Ayy ... :) :)
just sayin'
AZ
~ Merely "Deemed" Worthless, as Applicable to the Completed wmi-lt' ... NOT' worthless as applicable to a Released Ownership of the Completed entire' WMI Holding Company's Reorganization ~
... Individual Plan' Participation Releases and W-9's submitted to one's Broker or Bank ... by cusip and by an individual's amount owned' ...
Also, This is the ... FIRST ... time I've read a reference to a Class A, ... AND ... a Class B Preferred ... I've only ever found the Accounting for the Preferred Managing Subsidiary, directly related to a Released P' ... However, I'm thinking that an original released K' ... COULD BE ? ... considered a Class B' ... ? ... ? ... ? ... 1st time I've seen that reference'
Great Information that, according to the actual Doc, has just renewed 04/01/2024 ... Yeppers, Good Stuff' ...
https://www.dtcc.com/-/media/Files/pdf/2024/4/1/MBS1317-24.pdf
"The holders of the Common Shares are entitled to elect all of the directors on the DTCC Board, other than the two directors who are elected by the holders of the Series A Preferred Shares and the Series B Preferred Shares. The holders of the Common Shares are also entitled to vote on any matters submitted to shareholders for a vote"
just sayin' :)
AZ
Boris, to be more accurate one should print a copy of Feb. 2022 as all our Escrow was removed from account on 02/11/2022 it shows this removal as:
2 WASHINGTON MUTUAL INC
ESCROW CUSIP
POSITION DELETION
AS WORTHLESS
02/11/22 WASHINGTON MUTUAL INC
ESCROW CUSIP
POSITION DELETION
AS WORTHLESS
939ESC968 Expiration-565,000
02/11/22 WA FUNDING TR III
CONV PFD ESCROW CUSIP
POSITION DELETION
AS WORTHLESS
939ESC992 Expiration-5,500
02/11/22 WASHINGTON MUIN BE
DPS 144A ESCROW CUSIP
POSITION DELETION
AS WORTHLESS
9393ESC84 Expiration-
CASH IS COMING TODAY to the participants unless they steal
DTC has received notification from Bank of New York Mellon/IPA DTC #1541, the issuing paying agent for GS Finance Corporation (GSG4), base issuer cusip 36255H, 40054K, 40054L, 40055A, 40055Q, 40056E, 40056F, 40056Y, 40057C, 40057E, 40057F, 40057H, 40057J, 40057K, 40057L, 40057M, 40057N, 40057P, 40057R, 40057T, 40057W, 40057X, 40057Y, that #1541 has refused to pay Interest Payments, Maturity Presentments and Reorg Presentments for this Issuer’s Medium Term Note that are due and payable on 04/01/24 through DTC. Therefore, in accordance with DTC’s rules and procedures, this Issuer’s Medium Term Note will not be completed. Bank of New York Mellon/IPA DTC #1541 has notified DTC that they received the funds after the DTC cutoff to make a funding decision and that they will pay Interest Payments, Maturity Presentments and Reorg Presentments for this Issuer’s Medium Term Note that are due and payable on 04/02/24.
DTCC.COM
www.dtcc.com
https://www.dtcc.com/-/media/Files/pdf/2024/4/1/19919-24.pdf?fbclid=IwAR33d4PL8kf5SObvLggjKn-N2tfVNHPpeYOHq_ApglXrZRsZLyLARO4dJbo_aem_ASCHm8EIltMc0r45pZZzFtlpnbZOzann7q0iackY3397M5wru9ddLuRlc646ft7TmpBN5T6NEtMr5uf8prWqLAYL
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Look at the market today DJI DOWN 453
3 gap down formed today. Bullish reversal tomorrow or next day. Thought?
Be well
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Thanks
Clears that up nicely
P K TPS Class 19, U's Class 22 not sure this is what they are after but It's all the numbers we have to work with
Just received (via email) from Annette at the DTCC
1317-24 is the Notice number. The participant number would be the account of Washington Mutual Bank who, if they are an MBS member and are eligible/required to purchase shares will receive the communications from DTCC. We do not send information to investors of the participants.
FACT, STRIKE
Roger that BOB... I have the CUSIP #'s... "class"?... P or U?
STRIKE
Strike
I wonder if that would be the CUSIP NUMBER or possibly the CLASS number
Thanks for the response Royal
Question... I contacted Annette Nichols at the DTCC... and she asked me what MBS Participant # I am affiliated with...
Anyone??
FACT, STRIKE
👉👉👉COOP BOD wants to "...COMPOUND tangible BOOK VALUE at a DOUBLE-DIGIT PACE..."
The COOP BOD said at the 4Q'24 earnings call on Feb. 9, 2024:
Class 19 & Class 22.
What an odd response.....
ReikoBlack........it is my understanding from reading the documents that the Litigating Trust, which was part of the WMIL-T tried to sue the FDIC for 20 billion dollars in illegally seized assets, but the case was denied to move forward because WMI could not substantiate certain claims they were trying to make to the court... also, Rosen stated that the Litigating Trust did not pursue court action to retrieve assets because of the delays, and costs to the estate which would diminish the funds necessary to pay creditor claims....in addition, the delays in coming to an agreement between all cross claims finally set up the GSA whereby all parties were to resolve claims against each other, so as to make the Litigating Trust moot....WMI got 6.5 billion in allowances from the GSA settlement, plus 5.8 billion dollars in NOLS without having to sue the FDIC, and JPM...WMI got 12.3 billion dollars in settlement out of the 20 billion dollar they would have had to sue for, and probably might not have prevailed, and got nothing... 12.3 billion settlement out of a 20 billion dollar claim is 62% recovery for their claims....IMO, when releases were signed, equity claims were satisfied by the terms of the chapter 11 documents, and classes 19, and 22 are impaired from future recovery, both from, and after the chapter 11 closed 11 years ago....LIBOR settlements will not accrue to WMI (which is now defunct) because the FDIC was harmed, not WMI....how was the FDIC harmed?... the FDIC was insuring the liabilities of Banks which were inflated by bogus interest rates, which caused the FDIC to OVER INSURE THE LIABILITIES ON THE BANKS BOOKS.....LODAS
Naught, I cant do pm. Not that I cant afford it, just dont need it.
Yes, all brokers will have our escrow positions in our account history. Those positions arent going anywhere.
When money comes those positions will be reactivated and money will flow in. Like Niagara Falls.
So you are kicking the bucket to 2031…..does not surprise….
300 x 4,000 = $ 1,200,000 4.5x face
There is a happy hour every Friday where all those premium features are free on IHub
Happy Hour is every Friday, from 4-5pm EST.
Sorry ..try again that number need to go way down
Taking a screenshot of an escrow position that was deleted because it was deemed worthless, with no further distribution, in your "History"... In case you need proof in the year 2031, is definitely not proof they are "alive and well"....
This is desperate irrational foolishness.
No doubt, you will be here in 2031, talking about your contacts, fantasy riches coming soon, and your cool screenshot of escrows that were deleted decades ago, for being worthless, with no further distribution.
Everyday is a desperate scramble to feed denial with wild foolish nonsense.
Escrows are in fact, gone forever. Worthless history, that will never see another distribution. Hence the reason they were deemed worthless with no further distribution, and deleted.
Forgive me if I misunderstood
RD, EXCELLENT deduction if the one-percent fee proves accurate then this makes perfect sense.
…
Could anyone beside Royal tell me what you/everyone else is expecting back? I have 300P's, no U's.
Greatly appreciated.
Side note: YES, I've made it abundantly clear I think there is only a 5% chance of anything coming back based on history of false alarms. But 5% means I have a foot holding the door open. I'm not here to pick fights, I've got a life, I don't do that sh1t.
Royal,
Dude, I'm on here once every three weeks. 19 of what to 1 of what?
And by the way, why the fuc# would I "try to aggravate" anyone? How does that get me any f'n answers? Jesus f'n Christ, be better at reading people or stop trying to do it.
Boris you speak the truth <><
Thank you Boris!
Escrow history update.
So, for those who think our escrow positions are gone and deleted forever, wrongo!
Here's what you each need to do. Depending on the broker, go into their system, log into your account, and go to History or Statements.
Select the year 2021. That's the last year the escrows will show up in your account. Print out that year so you have hard copy proof of your positions, and file that away. You can go back as far as 2014. Print out that year too just as a previous backup for your escrow history.
Brokers are only required to hold your escrow positions record in your account for 10 years, so as of 2031 they will be gone from your history. So make sure you do these printouts just in case you need proof of your positions in the future.
So while the escrow markers have been deleted by the LT, the escrow positions are alive and well in your account, as wwhatthe has accurately said.
I hope this gives you some comfort in knowing there is a record available of your positions. Let's hope we hear something soon.
Vod, you are just trying to aggravate here. 19:1 is the relational value. Give it a rest
Must be at least 300B if 1% fee for a total of 3 billion
IF...IF IF, it is NOT 75/25 to the end, and the U's get the bulk rather than the P's, what is the current estimate of per/P in $? I can't figure out how much people are expecting will come back to escrows in total, nor how the divide goes re: P vs U.
I hold no U's, just 300 P's.
Although still Believe a part of the process our brokerage are participants for the use of DTCC services. Use of 3 billion for their services.Schwab is my participant imo
Very sorry I meant 50.000
goodie Re: wwhatthe. Correct. I forgot that. Not sure if he has premium.
Anyway, I just wanted to let him know what I found out about our escrow positions with our brokers. He can read it here. I will post it next.
Also goodie or zoom.....please copy over my escrow position post to the BP folks. I'm having trouble with that login....thanks.
P's were capped, you could only have so many. I can't remember the number but 500k was definitely not the number 🤣
Boris, Your post: "wwhatthe. Please PM me."
I don't think he can.Just like you can't PM him. I believe one has to be a paid subscriber to use that function. The green dollar sign after ones name.
The only way you two might be able to PM each other is to wait until, usually Friday, they have a special couple of hours, later in the afternoon, where anyone can use these functions.
You might want to contact ADMI and find out when the next one is.
My Way
it appears you posted you have 500K class 19 Wampq 's commonly known on the msg board as P's
There were only 3M issued @ $1,000 face value , with 2.9M released
so if true that would put your P holdings @ 17.24 % of released shares
thinking you meant 500 shares as 17% would out number the big boys...
Yes, Class 18 wasn't made whole. I believe Class 18 received about 84% on their claim. Now, i'm not a huge believer on us receiving anything from LIBOR. It remains to be seen. However, if it looks as if something is to come our way and it's more than what's needed to pay off what's left of Class 18's claim then what remains after would all go to Class 19 & Class 22. Class 18 will not be enriched with more than their claim. All in my opinion.
wwhatthe. Please PM me.
The big question is why is he here…..usually when they disagree they think you do not belong or signed off…
I have 500.000 class 19 what are you talking about.
Reiko- I agree with you on the statement "Those who signed their release(s) became eligible to receive a distribution, per the GSA, and were also given the right to receive any potential future litigation proceeds."
However, it looks like since Class 18 was not made whole, they will receive all the 'future litigation proceeds' BEFORE Class 19 and 21 see any additional compensation. There could be something from Libor, but wouldn't Class 18 take it all ??
Please explain
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Mr. Cooper Group Inc. (NASDAQ: COOP) provides quality servicing, origination and transaction-based services related principally to single-family residences throughout the United States with operations under its primary brands: Mr. Cooper® and Xome®. Mr. Cooper is one of the largest home loan servicers in the country focused on delivering a variety of servicing and lending products, services and technologies. Xome provides technology and data enhanced solutions to homebuyers, home sellers, real estate agents and mortgage companies.
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