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Here is my take:
* Nothing about the biogas program at Cape Breton University in Canada that was the subject of so much of their publicity in 2018. - It was probably in the 'lets discuss it' phase when Moller ran with the story already and it never moved past the 'lets discuss' it phase.
* Not a word about the revoking of Moller International's shares. - Denial much?
* Nothing about the strategic partnerships with Stratus Environmental and Alturair (announced December 8, 2018, and then never referred to again). - What I have learned from my years of following Moller's companies is that the term 'strategic partnership' does not mean the same to everyone. In the real term it means a partnership that will benefit both parties. Moller has nothing that can benefit anyone. All he wants is someone to give him money with no guarantee of getting any of it back. He wants grants. Handouts. Every single one of his investors throughout the decades can attest to that...
* No further reference to the "software problem" that eliminated all comments on the blog. - No 'software problem'. Only tried to silence their critics.
* No indication of what benefit (if any, apart from the ability to stay in business) resulted from the $107,000 harvested from the StartEngine crowdfinding in late 2018. - CEO's of non-revenue producing companies also wants to eat...
* No further information about their (revived) partnership with Alife Air Automobiles of Singapore, and no verifiable proof that Alife still even exists. - Lets face it, the average IQ of a Moller fan is low enough to believe this excrement.
Okay, what do they say that they did?
"We have accomplished a lot this year and we will continue to do so next year. We truly believe year 2020 will be the year of continued success and many accomplishments. A summary of accomplishments in 2019 follows…" - They copy and paste this line year after year after year, they just change the date.
Signed MOU’s with many partners and formed incredible partnerships
* No specifics of what was signed with which partners, and MOUs aren't binding in any case. - Another BS line that comes up year after year after year and these never come to anything. Like you said, MOU's, LOI's and IOU's are not contracts. They know it, but the fans probably does not.
Received firm orders for 3.4 million engines
* Is this in addition to the 3.3 million fantasy orders that have been floating around for the last decade, or have they just added 100,000 extra fantasy orders to the pile? - Like you said, fantasy pile. Think they added another 100k for the 'wow' factor. Or they wanted to compensate for years of inflation. It's been 3.3 million engines for well over a decade now...
Received support from many investors and continue to do so - Yeah, support.They do have support, but no 'financial' support, only 'emotional' support. Go to the FB page, many "Go Moller's" going around.
* I'm sure that there are shareholders left "holding the bag" when Moller International evaporated that would dispute this.
Building a prototype of our 150cc engine to run on Hydrogen fuel
* Oh dear. Changing directions again. What happened to saving the world through biogas? - Moller 101. Change direction often. This way you always seem busy, but always have an excuse why nothing ever gets DONE. Nothing is ever finished. Always tinkering, never selling for well over 50 years now...
How do you know new patents to file
From https://freedom-motors.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/MI-FM-Moller-Granted-US-Patents-v2.pdf -- some information on items that Freedom Motors plans to file patents on:
Patent to be Filed
“A specific combination of engine displacement, engine RPM and brake mean effective pressure (BMEP) that allows the Rotapower engine to operate on the Otto cycle while using diesel fuel”
Patent to be Filed
“A much improved fuel/air charge pathway through the rotor developed to improve cooling of the rotor and vaporization of the charge”
Patent to be Filed
“A compound version of the rotary engine where two rotors are able to function in series rather than parallel”
Patent to be Filed
“Unique one-way valve to allow the charge to flow in one direction while not allowing it to flow in the reverse direction”
Patent to be Filed
“A rotor cooling arrangement employing a phase change of a liquid that allows almost unlimited cooling of the rotor”
Patent to be Filed
“Developed a seal and rotor housing coating material combination that along with a proprietary rotor housing wear surface finish, allowed the wear surface and seal life to exceed a documented 20,000 hours”
All stuff to do with improvements to the rotary engine.
Tesla never made money and went from 20 to 300
Yes you are correct, that is their website
A sale is when the cheque is cashed
Moller.com freedom motors confirmed engine orders
They have engine orders and then they have to still test the engines jmo weird, I say
What a joke their update was. I for one am upset about the D listing. Shows no consideration for share holders. They probably want to give Mler share holders the opportunity to trade to FM because they are gonna file chapter 11 and that would decrease their liability.
In reading the latest Freedom Motors blog entry (a 2019 year-end wrap up), I can't help but take note of the things that it *doesn't* say.
* Nothing about the biogas program at Cape Breton University in Canada that was the subject of so much of their publicity in 2018.
* Not a word about the revoking of Moller International's shares.
* Nothing about the strategic partnerships with Stratus Environmental and Alturair (announced December 8, 2018, and then never referred to again).
* No further reference to the "software problem" that eliminated all comments on the blog.
* No indication of what benefit (if any, apart from the ability to stay in business) resulted from the $107,000 harvested from the StartEngine crowdfinding in late 2018.
* No further information about their (revived) partnership with Alife Air Automobiles of Singapore, and no verifiable proof that Alife still even exists.
Okay, what do they say that they did?
"We have accomplished a lot this year and we will continue to do so next year. We truly believe year 2020 will be the year of continued success and many accomplishments. A summary of accomplishments in 2019 follows…"
Signed MOU’s with many partners and formed incredible partnerships
* No specifics of what was signed with which partners, and MOUs aren't binding in any case.
Received firm orders for 3.4 million engines
* Is this in addition to the 3.3 million fantasy orders that have been floating around for the last decade, or have they just added 100,000 extra fantasy orders to the pile?
Received support from many investors and continue to do so
* I'm sure that there are shareholders left "holding the bag" when Moller International evaporated that would dispute this.
Building a prototype of our 150cc engine to run on Hydrogen fuel
* Oh dear. Changing directions again. What happened to saving the world through biogas?
It sounds to me like 2019 was a lot like like 2018 and 2017 for Freedom Motors (2019 was *certainly* a different kind of year for Moller International!), and I figure on more of the same for 2020.
How much does moller make off the engine, seems different, does it apply to us
3.4 million engine firm orders. Look at freedom motors news
The FORCE is strong with this one......
I am sure freedom goes public and we make$$$$$ with moller shares converted into freedom
Maybe we get a big contract government
I’m assuming the absence of your response from the 2nd part of my question means there is not a plan for the continuation of Mler in the event of Dr. Moller’s passing
Freedom motors could go to the moon
They could do a r m and freedom motors things could happen
dcsastry, once again, MLER stock was revoked;
It will never trade again, cannot be sold, or made a market for (i.e. exchanged or converted).
There is no value and any reincarnation of the company would not include past shareholders.
Good luck.
Sorry I should have been more clear in my post!
I am electing to retain my shares until I see the FM conversion price that is determined by the board and approved by the SEC. I don't want to sell or give them away to anyone before that time.
Why are you electing to retain your shares instead of trading them in for FM stock? I hope DR Moller understands he needs to keep a social media presence in today’s time if he wants to attract future investors or keep the ones he has.
In the event of Dr. Moller passing, what will happen with the Mler company, now a private company? Are there arrangements in place to have someone take over or will it just disappear, like my entire investment. Which is basically gone anyway at this point. I see ch. 11 in the near future for Mler and the creation of a new flying Moller company, that’s if any actually revenue is produced out of FM.
Hi Everyone,
Sorry I haven't posted in a long time, and of course I have not been blogging at all on the FM website. As some of you already guessed, I am not as engaged as I was previously with FM or MI. You should know I am still working on behalf of FM, but I have also taken on additional work with a company in the semicon industry. In addition I had some personal health issues from May through July, but I have fully recovered.
I was as sad as everyone that MLER got de-listed, but I guess it was inevitable. We did work to comply with SEC requests to keep MLER from being de-listed, but in the end MI didn't have the financial resources or the personnel needed to meet all the SEC deadlines and requirements. So effectively, MI is now a private corporation. If you own MLER stock, Dr. Moller is working on a program to exchange MI for FM stock if so desired. I am personally keeping my 1.2 million shares.
Freedom Motors is currently working on three collaborative projects using the Rotapower engine. Hopefully FM can share more about these projects in the future, but as of now they are under NDAs.
FM is also still working with the Canadian company to build a biogas generator, but unfortunately they have been focused on other alternative energy projects since the beginning of the year. Two weeks ago FM started to help them with getting their first prototype running on natural gas as a precursor to running on biogas. So they are making progress, but they are the ones setting the pace. We offered to buy back the engine from them, but they are committed to completing the prototype.
Our CEO, Dr. Paluru, has been working hard on fundraising for FM - he has managed to raise several small investments to keep the company funded through this year, but he is actively working on closing a much larger investment deal that will allow FM to jump-start manufacturing prototypes here in the US as well as start the development of volume manufacturing in India. More information on all this should be included in the December newsletter.
So for now, please don't expect any more communication beyond just the newsletter, but please know that I am still very much involved. Dr. Moller writes the newsletter, but I am the one who proofs and sends it out.
If you have questions, you can leave me a message here, or even better, send me email: david@freedom-motors.com
Best Regards,
Dave
I agree that just the decline in blog posts by itself doesn't mean that much.
But combine that with the fact that *nothing* from Moller/Freedom Motors has mentioned David since July (recall that for the past two years, he has largely been the public face of the company), and it strongly suggests that he has reduced his involvement.
Two years ago, I predicted that David's "arc" with Moller/Freedom Motors would match that of many others (Zack, Ed De Reyes, even Jeff!) -- Initial enthusiasm, followed by gradual disillusionment as the nature of the company came clear, and ending with departure. We seem to have witnessed that arc over the past two years.
If David parted ways with MI/FM, then another reason for "but this time is different" has gone out the window.
On the other hand, the decline in blog posts can also just be due to the lack of anything to report on...although, in the past, Moller would release monthly newsletters full of nothing covered with 'we are making progress' like statements and fanboy investors would be giddy with joy. By now they should know their audience. Baffle them with BS and they are happy as can be.
They did lose a mighty disciple in Jeff. He would keep conversations going for weeks based on the absurd conclusions he made from the newsletter.
Another reason for the lack of blog posts could be that it is perhaps pointless to waste energy on something only three people will read. And of that three people, two, perhaps are critical of the company.
An interesting question - is the Freedom Motors blog going the way of the dodo?
Postings have certainly slowed down. There have only been ten posts in the last nine months, and the only posts since the end of July have been to prompt people to look at the Freedom Motors newsletter. The most recent newsletter didn't even generate a post in the blog.
So it sounds like the blog is dying out. Another interesting question is whether David's involvement in Freedom Motors/Moller International is going with it, or is perhaps already gone. David hasn't been mentioned in any communication from Freedom/Moller since the end of July, and the reminders of updates to the blog that used to be sent in his name are no longer being sent. Any communication to people on the mailing list is now from Paul.
Circumstantial evidence, at a minumum, suggests that David has either reduced his involvement, or has gone away entirely.
TRUSTUNITS1000000, sorry to hear that. Your investment is gone. EOM
TRUSTUNITS100000, 10 years from now there will be no news. MLER stock is gone. EOM
Maybe we get a government contract
Maybe freedom will be rolled in to mler
I wonder about mler becoming a shell
You mean the scooter from Alife, which went out of business two years ago, and only ever made twenty scooters (all of them with conventional, non-rotary engines? (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/end-of-the-road-for-home-grown-motorcycle)
Of course, Freedom Motors says that Alife is back in business, and they never, ever, ever, ever tell untruths.
Freedom motors I wonder how they are doing
TRUSTUNITS1000000, MLER will never trade again at any share price. EOM
This stock is delisted. Why are you still pumping it?
Terrfugia I think they have a flying car, we have patents
Are we getting a billion dollar contract
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The Rotapower® Engine
Moller International (MLER) has developed a lightweight cutting edge rotary engine technology, called Rotapower®. It is vibration free with twice the power and one third the weight and size of the engine it is replacing designed AND the company has developed for the first and only feasible, personally affordable, personal vertical takeoff and landing (VTOL) vehicle the world has ever seen. (Flying cars called volanters the future is here!) It produces 3 Hp per each 1lbs
Moller International (MLER) has exclusively licensed its Rotapower® rotary engine production and distribution to Freedom Motors except for aircraft and ducted fans. Everytime Freedom Motors sells an engine Moller International (MLER) gets a cut!!
Freedom Motors agreement with Moller International (MLER) provides for a 5% royalty on engine sales and 30% of any revenue Freedom Motors receives from sub-license agreements it makes.
Freedom Motors has contracted with Moller International (MLER) to provide all engine development and now owes Moller International (MLER) approximately $4 million for these services
BUT IT GETS EVEN BETTER:
Moller International (MLER) focusing on it's sky car production has already received orders with deposits for its Skycar 200 and Firefly volantors. The Skycar is capable of vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) similar to a helicopter and flies from point of departure to destination much like an airplane. However, the Skycar has been designed to also travel at low speed for short distances on the ground like an automobile. It has fold-up wings which make it narrow enough to be usable on roadways. All this and, incredibly, it's easy to fly!
Neuera/Firefly volantors
There is an exception in the FAA rules for airplanes that weigh less than about 1400lbs. They are called Light Sport Aircraft (LSA). Moller International (MLER) plan to work with the FAA to create a category for powered lift aircraft which has the advantages of the LSA category. The Neuera/Firefly is a is particularly suitable for: Border Patrol, Search and Rescue and Utility Use or ATV replacement. Getting the Neuera/Firefly is now the priority, since it will talk the least amout of FAA Regs to jump over to get it certified.
Awesome share structure, as of February 19, 2015 there were 150M A/S and 69,379,796 shares of common stock outstanding meaning that when the share price rises it can rise quickly with the limited number of shares available!
Moller International (MLER) will eventually be uplisted to a senior exchange if it is not purchased by a bigger company which is highly likely! Currently MLER shares are trading around a penny, with it's new revenues and continued growth look for MLER to be trading in the multi dollar range within 12 months.
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