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John Pavlovitz
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Here's the biggest problem with MAGA Americans:
It's not that J.D. Vance repeated a horrible story about Haitian immigrants that turned out to be false.
It's not that he doubled down and repeated it over and over, despite anti-Haitian violence, school and hospital bomb threats, and Proud Boys marching through the streets.
It's not that Trump repeated this at a presidential debate and still keeps calling immigrants "animals."
Those are all vile and disgusting and should alarm everyone.
The WORST thing, is that despite this story being COMPLETELY FABRICATED, Trump voters have made the story true in their brains. It is not open to debate.
They will file that in their minds with all the other nonsensical stories and abject lies that fuel their anger and justify their allegiance to him.
They don't want the truth, they want the narrative that they need to allow themselves to vote for him and still tell themselves they're decent human beings.
That is why the rest of us grieve them.
As for the fear did they fear him the first four yrs?
I know I did. I'm pretty sure anyone who voted for Hillary--more than people who voted for Trump--feared him for the first four years. And their fears were justified by J6, when Trump's goons sacked the Capitol and tried to prevent the certification of Biden's victory.
as far as the rest of the world fearing him I see no evidence of that.
Then you haven't been following along. Our NATO allies are terrified of him. You should know that.
Trump is the leader of a cult. EVERYONE should fear cults.
thats a false statement
It is not. He asked poor Dr Birx is perhaps exposing ones organs to light "inside" the body might work, or whether injecting or drinking bleach would be effective.
Those were extraordinarily stupid questions. The average third-grader would come up with the right answers. But not Trumpty. He thought he was being clever. To her discredit, Birx just sat there. She should have told him he was a contemptible idiot who needed to stop talking.
However, as a result, some people did show up at emergency rooms, having drunk bleach.
Sorta like what Harris is using to run on then right? In other words Harris has jack shit.
She has everything she should need. She wants to preserve our democracy. She wants to make sure Trump the wannabe Putin does n't return to office. It shouldn't be all that hard for you to see that he's utterly losing it. He lies every time he opens his mouth.
And he makes utterly bizarre statements about all kinds of things. Like this:
Trump: I don't think I've ever said this before. So we do these rallies. They're massive rallies. Everybody loves, everybody stays till the end. By the way, you know, when she said that, well, your rallies people leave. Honestly, nobody does. And if I saw them leaving, I'd say, and ladies and gentlemen make America great again and I'd get the hell out, ok? Because I don't want people leaving. But I do have to say so I give these long sometimes very complex sentences and paragraphs but they all come together. I do it a lot. I do it with raising cane. That story. I do it with the story on the catapults on the aircraft carriers. I do it with a lot of different stories. When I mentioned Doctor Hannibal Lecter. I'm using that as an example of people that are coming in from Silence of the Lambs. I use it. They say it's terrible. So they say so I'll give this long complex area for instance that I talked about a lot of different territory… You know, for a town hall, there's a lot of people but the fake news likes to say, the fake news likes to say, oh, he was rambling. No, no, that's not rambling. That's genius. When you can connect the dots. Now, now, Sarah, if you couldn't connect the dots, you got a problem. But every dot was connected and many stories were told in that little paragraph
"When I mentioned Doctor Hannibal Lecter. I'm using that as an example of people that are coming in from Silence of the Lambs." https://t.co/WPgwYnWKwy
— The Daily Beans Podcast (@dailybeanspod) September 18, 2024
He is on his restrictions now for the day... so no point in ....whatever it is you're doing, he can't reply
Actually a staff member from Vance's campaign did fact check and was told it was false and Vance's still went with it a day before the debate and then Trump blew it up and both are doubling down. They knew it was a lie all the time
Statement from Vice President Harris on the Federal Reserve’s announcement
Statement from Vice President Harris on the Federal Reserve’s announcement pic.twitter.com/J5kdwFIh4R
— Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) September 18, 2024
We just reached an important moment: Inflation and interest rates are falling while the economy remains strong.
— President Biden (@POTUS) September 18, 2024
The critics said it couldn’t happen – but our policies are lowering costs and creating jobs.
I’ll speak tomorrow about what this means for Americans.
This is the major problem with social media. Some woman in Springfield posts about Haitians eating animals and it goes viral.
That itself is insane. And without fact checking it Trump and Vance are all over it like it was factual. Even after the woman who made the first post regrets what she did. (Sorry dear the damage is done.) She posted a lie and it spread like wildfire.
And now Vance even trying to defend himself said the media is to blame because they don't fact check.
He is nothing but a stooge for Trump.
Spend less time rolling around on the floor and more time trying to back up your bullshit.
Takes time to fix what Trump broke through his stupidity and negligence.
Move your lips, if it helps your poor reading comprehension, and read again. All of it is accurate and verifiable....
Rate Cut Would Cap Winning Streak for Biden and Harris
September 18, 2024 at 5:58 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 0 Comments
https://politicalwire.com/2024/09/18/rate-cut-would-cap-winning-streak-for-biden-and-harris/
"SNIP...........
New York Times: “Recent weeks have brought a run of good data on consumer prices and interest rates for the administration. The price of gasoline has fallen below $3 a gallon in much of the South and Midwest and is nearing a three-year low nationally. Spiking grocery prices have slowed to a crawl. Mortgage rates are down more than a percentage point from their recent peak. The Census Bureau reported last week that the typical household income rose faster than prices last year for the first time since the pandemic.”
“The overall inflation rate has returned to near historically normal levels, and the Fed is poised to begin cutting interest rates from a two-decade high.”
Supply chain generated shortages, and price inflation, that you wouldn't blame Trump for then became something to blame Biden for?
The Biden/Harris Chips and Science Bill will help assure no more chip shortages like we endured during the Trump pandemic; and much of the supply will travel over new and repaired roads and bridges made possible by the Biden/Harris Infrastructure Bill. That's a BILL, not an endless succession of Trump's 'infrastructure weeks'.
What do you think of his morals? Think we should have a rapist for a POTUS?
Fed slashes interest rates by a half point, an aggressive start to its first easing campaign in four years
Published Wed, Sep 18 20242:00 PM EDTUpdated 2 Min Ago
Jeff Cox
@jeff.cox.7528
@JeffCoxCNBCcom
Key Points
The Federal Open Market Committee chose to lower its key overnight borrowing rate by a half percentage point, or 50 basis points, amid signs that inflation was moderating and the labor market was weakening.
It was the first interest rate cut since the early days of the Covid pandemic.
“The Committee has gained greater confidence that inflation is moving sustainably toward 2 percent, and judges that the risks to achieving its employment and inflation goals are roughly in balance,” the Federal Reserve statement said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/18/fed-cuts-rates-september-2024-.html#:~:text=Fed%20slashes%20interest,2%20MIN%20AGO
Congrats. 5 a day works. You're cluttering up the board.
Well I can see that you're at the point where you are buying what he's selling, so to speak....not much anyone can say will make you see what damage he would do.
It's funny that we have a minimum age to become a President but no maximum.
yes i did look and replied. As for the fear did they fear him the first four yrs?
as far as the rest of the world fearing him I see no evidence of that.
Trump's false or misleading claims total 30573 over 4 years
The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com › ... › Fact Checker
Jan 24, 2021 — When The Washington Post Fact Checker team first started cataloguing President Donald Trump's false or misleading claims, we recorded 492 ...
?Fact Checker · ?Washington Post logo · ?A term of untruths
Final tally of lies: Analysts say Trump told 30000 mistruths
The Independent
https://www.independent.co.uk › ... › US Election 2020
Jan 21, 2021 — Donald Trump made more than 30,000 false or misleading statements during his four years as president of the United States, analysis suggests ...
Medicare for all US Citizens of course....and I was talking about a viable 3rd choice because most people would fear Trump....the rest of the world is terrified of Trump getting in...it would be a disaster...didu look at his 10 worst video yet??
ya know you seem like a very reasonable person thxs its nice to beable to discuss things without being called names.
https://rooseveltinstitute.org/publications/the-causes-of-and-responses-to-todays-inflation/?
and supports social programs like medicare for all
I'm totally against that, where would the money come from? and with the open border many are getting medicare that you me and others have paid into all our lives.
I wonder if this is why Trump is a threat.. why do you believe he is a threat? we saw him for four yrs and times were good.
I think it's time now that there needs to be a viable 3rd Party....one that represents the majority and supports social programs like medicare for all and higher taxes for the 1%. Losing your livelihood and your retirement because of poor health or bad luck shouldn't happen in the richest country in the world.
I wonder if this is why Trump is a threat...it's not that folks want him but more that they hope for a change and Dems are not as Left as the media makes them look.....I call the Dems ...the Right Lite
I agree the man isn't perfect and I have said many times here I don't like him, But the times were better under him than Biden period. And I see most were alleged
What does allege mean?
To allege is to make an accusation or claim, especially about a crime or wrongdoing. The word often implies that the thing claimed has not been confirmed or proven or that the claim has been made without proof or before proof is available.
I don't have access to the W Post...what didu think of the 10 worst for Trump...I thot it was well balanced and gave stats too
your explanation was just that your opinion which means nothing
I cut and paste what the pro's say.
remember you said we need the links or did you forget that??
This might help....
10 Worst Things About The Trump Presidency | Robert Reich
I explained what led to high inflation. Now please stop with the fake facts.
research it and stop spreading false hoods
Why was he talking about bleach as a cure?
Surely you can't be that naive.
rotflol and they still are no ware near as low as they were when Biden Harris took office, but I guess Dems see this a winning strategy.
First we get it up to where people just can't afford anything then we bring it down half way and ther people think were great. rotflol
Indeed Biden/Harris and the Fed have done their jobs. And now the Fed embarks on a new job.
Rate Cut Would Cap Winning Streak for Biden and Harris
September 18, 2024 at 5:58 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 0 Comments
https://politicalwire.com/2024/09/18/rate-cut-would-cap-winning-streak-for-biden-and-harris/
"SNIP...........
New York Times: “Recent weeks have brought a run of good data on consumer prices and interest rates for the administration. The price of gasoline has fallen below $3 a gallon in much of the South and Midwest and is nearing a three-year low nationally. Spiking grocery prices have slowed to a crawl. Mortgage rates are down more than a percentage point from their recent peak. The Census Bureau reported last week that the typical household income rose faster than prices last year for the first time since the pandemic.”
“The overall inflation rate has returned to near historically normal levels, and the Fed is poised to begin cutting interest rates from a two-decade high.”
Trump didn't start the pandemic and did a good job on it,
Nonsense. He was stating on TV that bleach and florescent lights would be a cure.
Now that took some work. And today its walkie talkies.
I can agree to part of that, but then lets also agree that Trump didn't start the pandemic and did a good job on it,
as far as Bided doing a good job, well ask people that are just getting by that question.
Yes prior to the pandemic prices were lower. But the pandemic led to the entire world shutting down and the supply chain shutting down. That was the mess Biden had to clean up and has done an excellent job doing it.
yea I do agree that someone should pay the debt, but no one has even balanced the budget since I think it was Clinton, so mute point. Certainly Kamala isn't as the middle class pays most of the taxes and she cliams she is going to cut taxes on the middle class.
GOP Mayor to Trump: Don’t Come to Springfield After Your Dog-Eating Slurs
NOT WELCOME
Mayor Rob Rue would prefer that Trump doesn’t travel to the city and bring more chaos with him.
David Thompson
Updated Sep. 18, 2024 8:38AM EDT Published Sep. 18, 2024 1:11AM EDT
https://www.thedailybeast.com/springfields-gop-mayor-suggests-trump-should-stay-away?ref=home?ref=home
Amid bomb threats to local schools and other city buildings that are leaving residents in fear, the mayor of Springfield, Ohio, says he would prefer Donald Trump didn’t visit the beleaguered city after his inflammatory comments about immigrants eating pets.
“It would be an extreme strain on our resources,” Mayor Rob Rue, a Republican, said on Tuesday, speaking with members of the media at City Hall, reports NBC News.
“So it’d be fine with me if they decided not to make that visit.”
Rue’s frank comments follow repeated false claims by the former president and his running mate JD Vance that Haitians are kidnapping and “eating the dogs” and cats of local residents.
NBC News also reported that plans are afoot for Trump to visit Springfield “soon,” prompting the mayor to voice his displeasure.
Springfield authorities have denounced Trump’s bizarre claims as false.
His outrageous comments have led to bomb threats–so far proven to be fake–school closures and other city buildings to be evacuated.
Meanwhile, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, also a Republican, said at the news conference that a visit by Trump would be difficult for the city to handle.
Though he said a visit would “generally be very, very welcomed,” he added, “I have to state the reality, though, that resources are really, really stretched here,” according to NBC. DeWine has said he will deploy extra police to protect Springfield schools.
Vance hasn’t yet confirmed if he is planning to visit Springfield. “I haven’t made plans to go just in the last few days,” he told reporters on Tuesday. “I know the president would like to go but also hasn’t made any explicit plans.”
Trump's tax cuts added $4T to the national debt. The middle class tax cuts expire in 2024 while the corporate tax cuts don't.
What you're missing is someone has to pay that debt.
have a good day, I really need to trade
I see alot of people that don't understand how to make money trading have chat sites where they just blabber all day and then pat themselves on the back saying how good they are at it.
History confirms his 'I think'. And let's be candid, a medical practitioner's 'I think' carries much more weight than a belief centric, 'read between the lines', weak-ass supposition.
And the following are NOT opinions but data supported conclusions. And you can't find a single article that substantiates the opposite from all these conclusions.
Political party affiliation linked to excess COVID deaths
CIDRAP
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu › covid-19 › political-part...
Jul 24, 2023 — Excess death rates were 2.8 percentage points (15%) higher for Republican voters compared with Democratic voters (95% PI, 1.6 to 3.7 percentage ...
Excess Death Rates for Republican and Democratic ...
JAMA Network
https://jamanetwork.com › journals › fullarticle
by J Wallace · 2023 · Cited by 52 — Question Was political party affiliation a risk factor associated with excess mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic in Florida and Ohio?
Republicans' excess death rate spiked after COVID-19 ...
NPR
https://www.npr.org › 2023/07/25 › covid-deaths-demo...
Jul 25, 2023 — A new study finds a gap in excess deaths opened between Republicans and Democrats in 2021, after vaccine access was widened to all adults.
Republicans Die More From COVID-19: Why We Care - PMC
National Institutes of Health (NIH) (.gov)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › articles › PMC10003493
by A Morabia · 2023 · Cited by 3 — compared the excess mortality among Republicans and Democrats from 2018 to 2022. Excess deaths during the pandemic were computed relative to the number of ...
The uneven toll of the coronavirus pandemic
NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com › data-download › uneven-t...
Jul 30, 2023 — A new scientific paper out this week shows a larger increase in excess deaths among Republicans after the Covid vaccine became widely available.
Once COVID Vaccines Were Introduced, More Republicans ...
Yale Insights
https://insights.som.yale.edu › insights › once-covid-va...
Nov 15, 2022 — A new Yale study co-authored by SOM's Paul Goldsmith-Pinkham found that once vaccines were introduced, the rate of excess deaths among ...
Were those exploding pagers made by Boeing?
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"But I think even though vaccines were widely available, I think a lot of the mortality that happened over the summer – during that major Delta surge – was happening on unvaccinated individuals," Fox said.
He thinks lol
Covid deaths in '21 were largely among the unvaxxed, and we both know who those people voted for.
another one of your opinions means nothing.
have a good day, I really need to trade
I see alot of people that don't understand how to make money trading have chat sites where they just blabber all day and then pat themselves on the back saying how good they are at it.
10 Worst Things About The Trump Presidency | Robert Reich
It is NOT ten million and everyone but you knows that whatever the number they take jobs Americans won't do. How many architects, engineers, doctors, lawyers, teachers, cops and firemen are on unemployment rolls?
Covid deaths in '21 were largely among the unvaxxed, and we both know who those people voted for.
From a Jan '22 article:
Despite the vaccine, why are there more deaths this year?
Spencer Fox, associate director of the University of Texas COVID-19 Modeling Consortium, said the first thing to consider when it comes to looking at 2020 and 2021 pandemic statistics is that 2020 is a ten-month period while 2021 is a full pandemic year. Much of the COVID-19 deaths happened March 2020 and onward; only 26 deaths involving COVID-19 were recorded for January and February 2020.
Additionally, the U.S. experienced a surge in cases starting winter 2020 near the end of that year, Fox said. Many people died from those 2020 infections in early 2021, and that was well before vaccines were widely available. So while many of the infections in that wave happened in 2020, they were part of the 2021 mortality statistics.
There was also a delta variant surge in summer 2021, after vaccines had become widely available to the public.
"What we've seen basically since that surge is really just continued spread," Fox said, noting that the delta and omicron variants surprised a lot of people.
The delta variant was more infectious and had increased transmissibility, according to the CDC.
"But I think even though vaccines were widely available, I think a lot of the mortality that happened over the summer – during that major Delta surge – was happening on unvaccinated individuals," Fox said.
Fox noted that even though many people were vaccinated, vaccination rates were low. "There was plenty kind of fuel for the COVID virus to spread on," Fox said.
Timothy Bray, University of Texas at Dallas professor and director of the Institute for Urban Policy Research, noted there was not clear guidance at the beginning of the pandemic on how to record a death that was COVID-19-related. The institute runs the North Texas COVID Data Viewer and works with local governments on COVID-19 reporting.
"It didn't even have a cause of death code. And so, in the early days, we were asking local health departments to tell us how many people have you had that have died from COVID," Bray said. "Eventually, that process became a little bit more concretized and was hung upon the death certificate process."
Detecting and determining COVID-19 deaths has been an evolving process, Bray said, adding that numbers have become more accurate as officials got better at detecting the virus and knowing its complications.
So while there have been more COVID-19 deaths counted in 2021, it's also important to note that individual medical professionals and local hospitals have gotten better at tracking deaths. And all that data on the local level rolls up to become the national-level data.
"Over time, the medical community's understanding of the disease, and the complications of the disease, has changed," Bray said.
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/01/16/fact-check-did-more-people-die-covid-19-2021-than-2020/8858993002/
Hezbollah is hit by a wave of exploding pagers that killed at least 9 people and injured thousands
rotf lol you just cannot be honest, he created 15m jobs since he took office and allow over ten million illegals to come in and take them, quite an accomplishment.
remember when Kamala spoke about abortion in the debate? she said that women were working to jobs to get by lol thats under her and Bidens watch ya great paying jobs.
https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2022/1/4/22858917/opinion-will-history-judge-trump-as-harshly-as-his-critics-on-covid-19-biden-pandemic-testing/
In fact, as it turned out, more Americans died of COVID-19 in 2021 than 2020, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Johns Hopkins University. And while this was in part because of the emergence of more contagious variants, these deaths occurred under Biden’s watch with vaccines available and no shortage of personal protective equipment like the U.S. saw in 2020.
Taking into account all Trump's term, and Biden's Bill laden, job creating, declining inflation, more Covid immune population, not dying by the 10's of thousands from Covid middle class?
Yeah, we're better off now.
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