Hydrogen for the future

[noblynx]

HYSR "joins forces..." is kinda funny, but anyway:

https://www.sunhydrogen.com/news-posts/sunhydrogen-announces-commitment-to-mch2

I'm going to keep my eyes on it, at least.

[hopester]

Semiconductors are used just almost everything produced for electricity power. Lightwave semi has the lead when it comes to H2 production.
Those semis have everything to do with hydrogen.

[noblynx]

My apologies for being obtuse, peafunke. But here’s the connection I was getting at…

I believe semiconductors will be used in any successful use of sunlight to generate green hydrogen, and here’s a quote from today’s pr from Sun Hydrogen to back this up:

“Our scientific team is also working closely with the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) and the University of Iowa to integrate existing state-of-the-art, low-cost semiconductors into our nanoparticle-based system to substantially improve the overall power conversion efficiency of our hydrogen panels.”

It seems likely to me that THE lowest cost semiconductors - which will also enable the lowest possible energy consumption during use - will be polymeric. And right now, the name of the game - or the only major “player” - in polymers for semiconductors is Lightwave Logic (LWLG).

[peafunke]

What does this have to do with hydrogen??!

[noblynx]

The hydrogen generation. More power to them!

https://www.lohud.com/story/opinion/2023/01/24/wild-center-youth-climate-summit-model-can-adapt-to-any-region/69831852007/

Oh, wait… I mean, less power to them!

No, wait… I mean, less power to data centers, computers, automobiles, and much more! LWLG all the way, baby. And with chromophores (think chlorophyll) in a stable plastic the functional heart of their (LWLG’s) technology, I’m intrigued by their potential to assist in development of a hydrogen-generation technology modeled much more closely on “Mother Nature.”

[noblynx]

There’s another effort to “mimic photosynthesis” involving the University of Michigan. I think it, too, shows some promise, but with a similar time frame probably needed.

[noblynx]

I’ve become convinced they’re failing, and they know it.

[soflodiver]

Solar-powered artificial LEAF that takes in water from the air and produces hydrogen gas.
I believe this has huge potential in areas with high humidity.

https://hydrogen-central.com/scientists-develop-solar-powered-artificial-leaf-takes-water-produces-hydrogen-gas-when-exposed-to-sunlight/

[soflodiver]

Airbus is modifying the A380 jumbo jet to use hydrogen.
https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/green-machine-the-a380-superjumbo-gets-hydrogen-power?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0l7I--wEjrnAu83SlWzs4QkChFgwbBTqNH6TCxHpS90XxIR0L5bWOXfjY#Echobox=1672101272

[XenaLives]

Loop Energy , Canadian company claims to have a superior hydrogen fueled engine.

https://loopenergy.com/solutions/technology/

https://loopenergy.com/

[soflodiver]

I agree the battery options which are currently available are only a short term solution. This is because long charge times and the short travel distances currently available from a charge make them impracticable for long distance trips.

[XenaLives]

HYSR is a penny stock - so what do they have going for them?

[north40000]

Might add HYSR to your list—SunHydrogen. Numerous PRs lately since 10/11/2022 about development of its process and receipt of funding. Sunlight + any source of H2O to produce H2.

[XenaLives]

List of U.S. listed hydrogen stocks from Google - if you know of others please let me know:

AFC,APD,BE,BLDP,CE,CMI,FCEL,FHYDF,HDRO,HJEN,HTOO,HYDR,HYZN,ITM,LIN,MCPHA,NEL,NKLA,PCELF,PLUG,TECFF,VIHD

[XenaLives]

We aren't just talking about using natural gas to produce hydrogen any more...

Steam-methane reforming is a widely used method of commercial hydrogen production
Steam-methane reforming currently accounts for nearly all commercially produced hydrogen in the United States. Commercial hydrogen producers and petroleum refineries use steam-methane reforming to separate hydrogen atoms from carbon atoms in methane (CH4). In steam-methane reforming, high-temperature steam (1,300°F to 1,800°F) under 3–25 bar pressure (1 bar = 14.5 pounds per square inch) reacts with methane in the presence of a catalyst to produce hydrogen, carbon monoxide, and a relatively small amount of carbon dioxide (CO2).

Natural gas is the main methane source for hydrogen production by industrial facilities and petroleum refineries. Landfill gas/biogas, which may be called biomethane or renewable natural gas, is a source of hydrogen for several fuel cell power plants in the United States. Biofuels and petroleum fuels are also potential hydrogen sources.

Electrolysis uses electricity to produce hydrogen
Electrolysis is a process that splits hydrogen from water using an electric current. Electrolysis is commonly used to demonstrate chemical reactions and hydrogen production in high school science classes. On a large, commercial scale, the process may be referred to as power-to-gas, where power is electricity and hydrogen is gas. Electrolysis itself does not produce any byproducts or emissions other than hydrogen and oxygen. The electricity for electrolysis can come from renewable sources, nuclear energy, or fossil fuels. If the electricity for electrolysis is produced from fossil fuel (coal, natural gas, and petroleum) or biomass combustion, then the related environmental effects and CO2 emissions are indirectly associated with that hydrogen.

Other methods of producing hydrogen
Research is underway to develop other ways to produce hydrogen and a few include:

Using microbes that use light to make hydrogen
Converting biomass into gas or liquids and separating the hydrogen
Using solar energy technologies to split hydrogen from water molecules
Categories of hydrogen
Hydrogen producers, marketers, government agencies, and other organizations might categorize or define hydrogen according to the energy sources for its production, and they use a color code to categorize hydrogen. For example, hydrogen produced using renewable energy might be referred to as renewable hydrogen or green hydrogen. Hydrogen produced from coal may be called brown hydrogen, and hydrogen produced from natural gas or petroleum might be referred to as grey hydrogen. Brown or grey hydrogen production combined with carbon capture and storage/sequestration might be referred to as blue hydrogen. Hydrogen produced with nuclear energy may be called pink hydrogen or clean hydrogen

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/hydrogen/production-of-hydrogen.php

[noblynx]

Alright… I’m here… just found the invitation, Xena, thanks… and yes - as Amory Lovins started writing about long ago, HYDROGEN asap.

More another day.

[MeghanStar]

Hydrogen indeed.

Thanks for the invite. I am attempting the same idea related to EO Polymer.

[XenaLives]

Also interesting..
Lots on this page titled:

‘Consensus’ On Man-Made Global Warming Collapses in 2008
July 18, 2008 -
Posted By Marc Morano – 3:25 PM ET – [e-mail]

Gore’s (Really) Inconvenient Timing – ‘Consensus’ On Man-Made Global Warming Collapses in 2008

U.N. Warning of 10-Year 'Climate Tipping Point' Began in 1989

Former Vice-President Al Gore came to Washington on July 17, 2008, to deliver yet another speech warning of the “climate crisis.”


“The leading experts predict that we have less than 10 years to make dramatic changes in our global warming pollution lest we lose our ability to ever recover from this environmental crisis,” Gore stated. But the former Vice President, who has been warning of a 10-year “tipping point” for several years now, appears to be unaware that the United Nations already started the 10-year countdown -- in 1989!


According to July 5, 1989, article in the Miami Herald, the then-director of the New York office of the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP), Noel Brown, warned of a “10-year window of opportunity to solve” global warming. According to the 1989 article, “A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ‘eco-refugees,’ threatening political chaos.” (LINK) & (LINK)


While Gore repeats his standard stump speech promoting man-made climate fears, much of the international science community is now openly dissenting from human caused global warming fears.

https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases-all?ID=37AE6E96-802A-23AD-4C8A-EDF6D8150789

[XenaLives]

Thank you!!! I think that is the reference I was thinking of ...

I tried to source that and came up with the following, I don't trust "fact checkers" either but this seems to be accurate:

He added: “Some of the models suggest to Dr [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75% chance that the entire north polar ice cap during some of the summer months could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years.”

Gore cited findings from climatologist Dr Wieslav Maslowski, a research professor at the Naval Postgraduate School (here).

However, it appears he mis-stated the forecast, according to reporting at the time.

In an interview with The Times published on Dec. 15, 2009 (here), Dr Maslowski said: “It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”

According to the report, Gore’s office acknowledged after his speech that the 75% figure was used by Dr Maslowski as a “ballpark figure” in a conversation with the vice president several years before COP15.

Gore made several, similar statements in the late-2000s about ice melting during summer months due to climate change.

In the 2006 documentary “An Inconvenient Truth”, which illustrated his global warming activism, Gore said studies suggested “in the next 50 to 70 years in summertime [the Arctic ice cap] will be completely gone” (here).
,,,,
In his 2007 Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech (here) he also said: "One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-climate-change/fact-check-al-gore-did-not-predict-ice-caps-melting-by-2013-but-misrepresented-data-idUSL1N2RV0K6

[duderaja]

In 2007 Al Gore said that the Earth was warming to such a degree that the entire Arctic ice cap would melted away by 2014. Today the Arctic ice cap is larger than when Gore made his prediction. I don't believe anything Democrats say or most politicians for that matter.

[XenaLives]

I'm not totally convinced that climate change isn't just a boogeyman.

One of the reasons is that the government is totally hypocritical.

If the US military, the world's biggest by expenditure, were a country, it would have the world's highest per capita emissions, at 42 tonnes of CO2 equivalent per member of its personnel.

When one of its F-35 fighter planes flies 100 nautical miles, it hurls into the atmosphere as much CO2 as the average British petrol car does in a year, the experts wrote.

Ukraine has started to calculate emissions linked directly and indirectly to the invasion launched by Russia on February 24, a first for a country at war.

Fires in buildings, forests and fields sent into the skies 23.8 million tonnes of CO2 equivalent, and the fighting itself 8.9 million tonnes, according to the project called the Initiative on GHG Accounting of War.

The displacement of people caused 1.4 million tonnes, said the project created two months into the war, while reconstruction of destroyed infrastructure will cause another 48.7 million tonnes of carbon emissions.

The total comes to nearly 83 million tonnes as a direct consequence of the war, now in its eighth month -- compared to around 100 million tonnes produced from all sources by the Netherlands over the same period, according to the initiative..

https://www.ibtimes.com/scorched-earth-ukraine-war-takes-heavy-toll-climate-too-3634504

[XenaLives]

Solar, battery and nuclear- tech, which will power the future?

It's all about physics and economics.

Nuclear is the only one of the three that is economically and environmentally viable.

Nuclear and hydrogen:

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/energy-and-the-environment/hydrogen-production-and-uses.aspx

[XenaLives]

12 Best Alternative Energy Stocks To Buy Now

12. FuelCell Energy, Inc. (NASDAQ:FCEL)

Number of Hedge Fund Holders: 10

FuelCell Energy, Inc. (NASDAQ:FCEL) is a Connecticut-based company specializing in fuel cell technology, which is an alternative to conventional combustion-based power generation. FuelCell Energy, Inc. (NASDAQ:FCEL) operates in the renewable energy, fuel cells, carbon capture, and energy storage industries.

Canaccord analyst George Gianarikas on October 21 initiated coverage of FuelCell Energy, Inc. (NASDAQ:FCEL) with a Hold rating and a $3.25 price target. FuelCell Energy, Inc. (NASDAQ:FCEL)’s management embarked on "a rather aggressive and transformational turnaround in 2019" and appears to be well positioned to benefit from the increased global interest in hydrogen, said the analyst. While he is bullish on fuel cell technology, the analyst needs to see more orders before becoming incrementally positive.

According to Insider Monkey’s second quarter database, 10 hedge funds were long FuelCell Energy, Inc. (NASDAQ:FCEL), compared to 16 funds in the prior quarter. D E Shaw held the leading stake in the company, comprising 8.3 million shares worth $31 million.

Like NextEra Energy, Inc. (NYSE:NEE), Enphase Energy, Inc. (NASDAQ:ENPH), and First Solar, Inc. (NASDAQ:FSLR), FuelCell Energy, Inc. (NASDAQ:FCEL) is one of the best clean energy stocks to invest in.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/12-best-alternative-energy-stocks-203334654.html

[XenaLives]

Exxon and FuelCell -2016 presentation in D.C.

Streamed live on Jun 13, 2016
The CSIS Energy and National Security Program is pleased to invite you to a presentation on the application of carbonate fuel cells for power plant carbon dioxide capture with ExxonMobil and FuelCell Energy Inc. Vijay Swarup, Vice President of Research and Development at ExxonMobil and Chip Bottone, CEO of FuelCell Energy, Inc., will present on their recent agreement to pursue the application of this technology in capturing carbon dioxide from natural gas power plants. The presentation will incorporate an overview of their plans going forward, as well as the key challenges and enablers in pursuing greater levels of carbon capture and storage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=RtFPwLxR0-w

[XenaLives]

An interesting Wordpress essay that raises some excellent issues. This is a twitter acquaintance and I believe she is a physicist. Some of the issues that I have been concerned about are expressed here and in the comments. I am just quoting because it is more informed than anything I could come up with...

https://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2022/10/24/renewable-hoax/

From the comments by Ian Miller:

The solar and wind lobbies have got where they are by offering politicians “a solution” without pointing out what it is a solution to. My feeling is with the possible exception of solar being useful in places where air conditioning is in demand, solar and wind can only be bit players. You are correct that coal-fired stations take hours to heat up from a cold start. However, gas turbines can start up quickly and are useful for peak loads.

The varying loads depending on time of day is a problem. But “renewables” (the equipment has a lot of rare metals in it so it is not exactly renewable) cannot be a main load solution.

Ah, Patrice, it is not what is spent that matters; it is what is done. I watched this farce in the US, and recall a number of “renewable projects”. As one example, one company raised 100 million dollars from the US government to make fuels from biomass. I saw what was proposed and it was painfully obvious this could not work, at least not vaguely with any thought to economics. Basically, it was how to spend $100 million of someone else’s money, have some fun doing engineering, then go off and find some other way to waste money. There was no preliminary analysis of the available data! For what this is worth, I consulted for one company and more or less designed their research. They spend $3 million NZD and got much further that a couple of companies in the US using the same raw material (microalgae) got while burning through $100 M. We got our raw material from sewage treatment, so apart from the cost of harvest, it was free, and we got to the stage of having about half a tonne of bench scale material with some refined up to aircraft fuel standards, as well as petrol and diesel., That failed, however, because it needed refinancing, and their time-scale put them up for financing about a month after Lehmans. Oops.

You can make fuels from biomass, BUT to make money you have to make something else at the same time because nothing is cheaper than Saudi crude. Except when the Saudis don’t pump enough.

Response from Patrice:

Right now huge investment is needed in hydrogen: it’s the low hanging fruit. Huge advances in fuel cells efficiency (60%) and how to make green hydrogen from electricity have apparently been achieved in the labs… Already hydrogen electric fuel cell cars are price competitive with state subsidized BEV (Battery Electric Vehicles)…

At this point the US seems to have understood energy, manufacturing, technological and science independence is crucial. Biden is pursuing Trump policies: Biden just slapped interdiction of advanced electronic chips exports to China, boosting the Trump policy… and the Intel CEO applauded (while his stock collapsed)…

Europe does not have achieved the same understanding, and this is creating Franco-German drift. Germany wants US system against missiles… neglecting the better MAMBA system of MDMA and Thales, Franco(-Italian) Aster. So Macron met Georgia Melloni less than 10 hours after she became Italian PM….

Biofuels? My car in California uses lots of biofuels… still goes to 100km/h in less than 6 seconds, enough to make Tesla drivers furious (so they race with me, and then get out of the freeway within a few minutes, their cars half exploded and out of juice…)… Also it goes 800 kilometers on one tank, no problem, although I often go at 90 mph… Turbo-diesel with biofuels…. where was I…
Too much growing of bad corn in bad places using too much water… But it’s the law in CA, so I fill up with my biodiesel….

Was not that NAZI synthetic gasoline highly inefficient? In any case, thanks to aerial bombing, the NAZIS ran out of fuel to the point they couldn’t fly, drive, let alone train… Let’s bomb whatever needs to be bomb in Putinreich…

The HYDROGEN MARKET is super easy to develop: it already exists. The French showed how to put hydrogen in gas lines… A CENTURY ago…. Any mix works…
Just a paper in Science this week about using LESS Platinum…

Nearly all hydrogen FUEL STATIONS are in the SF Bay Area, where I fester, infuriating hopefully everybody.The TRUMP (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) adminstration found the Alameda COUNTY (Berkeley Oakland) buses to work splendidly (Hydrogen + fuel cells). I see them everyday… Biden is discreetly financing and expending…
Paris too is going hydrogen, they have a deal with a taxi company….

AIRBUS has given up (discreetly) on massive flying batteries projects and instead is reasonably going to develop hydrogen planes

[Hoghead7]

I agree, batteries are likely part of the solution, short term at least. Until they figure out there's going to be a waste issue in the long run.

[XenaLives]

I believe Hydrogen is the future of energy. Storing energy in batteries just doesn't seem practical or environmentally sound in the long run.