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Art of War..
Patent warfare is such that you actually want your adversaries to go years, and make billions. The pursuit is to eventually say hey look how much money they made using our IP. The betting market growth will be exponential, more states will adopt. And betting & losing money on your phone will be as easy as betting & losing money on the stock market. Life is to be gamified at all costs!
I am not sure how aware most are about these deuling lawsuits, many traders jump into tickers without rhyme or reason these days. A hot tweet turn a stock into hot shit in minutes. But, many now are bagholders & will start to see the bigger picture. If GAME's first earnings release on NAS is a hot turd, then this company will be dubbed a patent troll, and that's a title they won't easily shake.
Lockton & WinView(old) did have these patents- they didn't seem to ever have the capital to chase the enforcement. If you look back, they were one of the first to have that sort of predictable game app, it never got legs but they for a while did have a product. The giants came in & they are not going anywhere. And now to defeat them it will be a long drawn out battle. With the takeout/merger of WinView the patents got bundled up & taken. They didn't need the creator anymore it would seem. I'm still kind of amazed it got taken from him. But money trumps many things in warfare.
When I mentioned "wait till they expire" I was joking. Once they've filed, the declaration of war has begun. Now it's about who has the better soldiers on the battle field & who can outlast who. [as an aside, NLST has been a banger of a stock from under 50c, and on the OTC you never know how high it will go]
Hmm, so GAME is at ~35M rev run rate, then 1.5x/sales would be ~52M Cap, which would be ~$3.7/sh...so yeah $4.. but at $4 who knows what the picture looks like there. One might say hey they have $20M in cash, well that cash best do some work if their earnings are a dud. So I do think a lot hinges on this release coming 1st week of August. If it gets the official "patent troll" stamp due to that, then it will find a trading range & just trade in channel. Right now you see it developing between ~$6-8, with volume tapering off weekly. When interest is lost, the volume will likely find it's way back under 100K/day. The CNBC/FoX pumps failed, but I am sure they will be revisited. At the same time, they could release a turd of an earnings & shoot up 25%, that's the markets we exist in. I will sit on the sidelines for the game.
Watch you gladiators battle it out for the $7,$8,$9,$10 goal lines...any bet takers on if it sees $10 again before 2022??
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"“According as circumstances are favorable, one should modify one's plans. “All warfare is based on deception”
I agree with you. Only point I was making was the 500 point drop killed the gap up that most likely would have followed the next days open and then the stock would have gone down the rest of the day.
Seems to me these patents are EXTREMELY valuable because they are foundational and David Lockton is a legendary inventor. I think the stock would have performed much better if Lockton hadn't signed the amended lawsuit the same night Game filed against DNKG. So I wonder if that was strategic on Locktons part?
When you mention patents expiring how come Netlist doesnt seem to have that issue?
If you look at Locktons patents that DKNG and Fanduel are supposedly infringing upon they are patents built on prior Lockton patents from circa 2005. Foudational.
So I always felt that if Lockton wasn't on the team then how would the patent portfolio continue to evolve and grow?
Appreciate your replies. Again, you are the most intelligent guy on these boards I've ever encountered.
So you are thinking $4(1.5x revs) you might buy back? Should be there this week. LOL
Round 1 Fight!!
Really if the GAME was truly on, the 500 pt gap down on the broad markets would not have buckled it.
The GAME got turned off that Wednesday evening, and really the morning was just the continuation & the beginning of the new slide down.
I did take time to read Lockton's suit, really good reading. Everyone should read this salacious tale!!
https://www.diamondmccarthy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/2021-0058-07-08-21-First-Amended-Verified-Complaint.pdf
And if you read through GAME's SEC filings they certainly acknowledge the risk of the suit causing hindrance to the future pursuits ahead with it's IP protection filings.
How does it look that the patents they are suing on, they are being sued for essentially theft of intellectual property? There's a bit of goodwill that gets lost with patent trolls, but this is on a whole other level. The public markets generally frown on patent trollers -until they get a payout, then new chapters begin and the cash windfall rolls in-happy times. But with this suit, it would appear that whatever they recover may have to be parceled out to the owner/creator of the IP. Either way, those large companies will not settle for years & they have the capital to bleed Engine out. Maybe they get it to last so long in courts the patents expire LOL
Lockton will now get help with this lawsuit from the true giants [DKNG/Flutter/etc ] The enemy of thy enemy easily becomes friends. He truly is in the driver's seat, obviously they[GAME] seem to think the patents are worth money, and have for years now. This is not anything new, but there was a failure then to persue, and now after the grand larceny, it off to the courts on all fronts. You take a man's life work in that manner, there's little chance he'll come on board. Gonna have to pay the man, but he now has no reason to accept any payment when the future will dictate what it's worth in the courts..Just my thoughts, don't mean much.
Look, the lawyers will eventually get the pound of flesh. 2027, 2030,2035,...when they say go long, patent cases are just that. If they ever get GAME to bleed to a possible delisting,,I will be a buyer there, or maybe at 1.5x sales. These roads are long & winding. I wish you the best on it, but there are a lot of unhappy people in 2 countries on this ticker, and all thought & were told this was the best/next thing coming!!
Kingsknight, I agree on all points you made. You are well versed in the hype of this name. I couldn't have spelled it out better. I'm hoping its not $5 by Wednesday.
I'd be curious to know your thoughts on the Lockton suit, being you are the most intelligent person on these boards I've ever chatted with. And how much that actually hurts investors perception of the patent suit and patent portfolio. DKNG and Flutter's next moves?
Jeffrey Parkers patents are tops in their class and what makes it such a standout to me is he is the guy orchestrating the suits. Most trolls dont have the inventor front and center like Parker. What does engine lose not having Lockton on board?
Thanks
So the only point you left out was the 500 point market gap down the morning after the stock popped to $14.
Bear Trap...
So here's the thing on the action that happened that Wednesday when they released the filing vs DKNG news- social platforms picked it up & it became a hot ticker. With no DD, many retail traders in frenzy & with online pump touting it, got the stock rocking and pushed it up 25% to over $14 with about 1M volume flowthrough. Most had about 2 hours in this frenzy zone to act. Quickly, the erosion began and a classic trap was laid where some smart IBs [get to that later] dumped to retail at inflated prices. The ticker has not breathed air since.
The IBs are investment banks, with GAME share structure the way it is where all the shares are freely available, it's clear that the banks/hedgies are the ones holding most of the available shares. This was not retail with capacity for have those kind of share holds. So they likely are in control & retail will be at the mercy of their moves for the duration. That after hours frenzy created a great bear trap, many bag holders on the retail side with entries at $11-14(all the way to $7 are bags) This stock has not been kind to retail holders for years. There were multiple trading halts in Canada for months, 3 reverse splits, a year long NAS review to uplist, and the crash on launch. But for a couple of hours yeah, the exit door opened. There are many that at the advice of IBs in Canada went large last year on this ticker, it was well touted in circles & a rosy bloom was apparently ahead. They dangled the carrot & many horses nibbled. Those folks are now wondering when they'll ever see their money back in the green. The next 2 weeks will be critical for this ticker!!
KingsKnight, Very refreshing. You know the game for sure. I agree patents take a very very long time. And I agree with your move. Im just a bit surprised you didnt sell on the DKNG suit? Being you know it was going to be years and the stock acted like crap. By the way what is the abbreviation IB? Thx
That's correct Sir!
Correct, no more mod here, so I left the iBox as it was, no more updating there.
Will leave that to another passer by. Trade was flat, higher returns available elsewhere.
Actually, I know quite a bit about the assets. I also am quite aware of what happens to patent trolls on public markets. While they may have value, IBs love to tank them to the ground & pick them up extremely cheap. They of course have the capacity to wait 5-10 years for an asset holding to pay off. Look at the NLST/CROC/etc patents suits,they are well into 10/15 years. It's only now NLST is getting it's reckoning, 10 years into the process. Go back & look at the TiVo case, how long that took. Thing is TiVo had a truly viable market share & business. Engine, really has to show themselves as being able to be a rev grower, but with 14M O/S, this may lose $1-3/sh on earnings. Plus the cost of revs are quite high. Look, the market wants this lower. The IBs/funds wants this lower. It matters not what you or I want/ed here.
As for StreamHatchet, data powerhouse for sure. but that really doesn't matter at the moment does it??This is now under $100M cap. This will take it's sweet time to give holders $10 again. The bullets have been shot. KingsDuel! BagHolders Unite till hands turn dust to diamonds !!glta.
Nice trade KingsKnight. So no more moderating here?
So I guess there wont be anymore postings! lol
No one left.
I always thought you knew a good amount about Engine media.
Guess you really don't know much about Engines true asset value.
Do you know the value of Stream hatchet? Probably more then the entire co currently trades at. Good luck.
End GAME...
Well I had to go back & peep my first post on this board. Glad to say this Game has reached it's end & I'm done here.
Folded up shop & I will be on my way.
This went down exactly as I had posted & once again a new low was established...What a hoot that a year or so ago this was still at sub $7, and here it is again. I wish you fellas the best. Traders are chasing GAME now for the bleeding knife,,I wish them the best with that. 1st week of August will dictate a lot about the future of GAME. Those earnings best not spell PATENT TROLL else this stock will be branded as just that.
Scary shit with no filings… Game? Ever going to stop? Every time I look at it it’s down more
Garbage..? I was scared of it before as it is defunct lol.. I’m up a bit and getting out
You are nuts holden, get out of that EGOC......before you get trapped
I put a few grand in your egoc at the .021 level. So it will surly go down from here. I’m other news, looks like game is on its way to the basement
Your Chart looks like a bottom to me based on stochastics.
Last Q revenues grew quite nicely. You are too bearish
Yeah, no shares of each. Missed the boat on the EGOC and not sure how far it will sail. Looking to get back into engine somewhere between 80-92 cents which at this point is more then generous on my part, in fact I think they should pay me to hold shares for them but that’s for another red day.. oh wait, that’s everyday…
Hi Henry
Blown Game..
It seems most are playing GAME now for the "it can't get any worst" pick.
They see the chart & think it has to get better. What I see is GAME shooting their shot and missing. The FanDuel filing, moved nothing. The volume is tapering & they are going into a buzzsaw with that earnings. Market saying this is a sub $8 stock, and nothing on the horizon that's got pop potential. This is a TROLL and nothing more. If those earnings are really atrocious, look out below. 52 week low is $5.18. Alot of traders have lost a lot of money here, and many bagholding!! not a good vibe. Many Canadians hurting on it too
HoJ,
yeah EGOC has rocked out. Passed you it on the 14th, sub penny.
EGOC…. To bad I didn’t get any but nice work bud
Henry, thanks man, hope all is well
Ya they said they were going to file a suit against Fandual.
Oh, hello
Jho, Back On Board the SS Rogers!!
Wow, figured the graveyard lost a body when you folded shop! But you have resurrected like a zombie in the game..some may say, a spawn or a respawn.
I do wish you the best on that position. I didn't like what I saw out of the trading today. It was a nice run from the 7 low to $7.80, but there was zero buy side pressure to keep it going & it gave back all of it to close red again. There's going to be 10 to 13 or so trading days prior to the earnings release. GAME will show it's colors over them. If we see more down days, or sideways days, and volume starts to drop, there could be a wreckoning! There's nothing but negative pressure on it at the moment, until that momentum lifts, it's not going to look good. You have to figure there's quite a bit of bag holding here. I wonder if we lost Ten Ten, Over & Out???
Now Ya tell me LOL.. I grabbed 5k shares at $7.16 like a dumb fuck just to have something. I bought at the end of day anticipating that the make or break would be dropping below 7 today.. then the AH went from 7.19 to 7.04 in 200 shares all the sudden. What a joke. This stock will be the end of me
Well Now, 1 Month In. Heartaches & Pains
No Gains currently. Had to pull up a weekly, to visualize how this has gone. It's not pretty. 1 Month into its NAS debut, it would appear GAME is not ready for the big leagues. Felt today was a critical point, if it could establish some upward movement off the lows yesterday. Instead, it did a new low today at $7. Hasn't been this low since week of Dec 21 2020 when it was as low as $6.80. The "rally" off the $7 low was not convincing, and this remains a falling knife. Careful if you catch it, remember 1st week of August is going to be a major catalyst!! I suspect next week it will breach the lower BB Band & test some lows in the 6s!
1010… get on that phone bud and tell them to keep bringing this down please.. thanks bud
Well looks as though it tested and might be the bottom. How disappointing
Freaky Friday...
Let's see if it again hits red tomorrow. Another dip & it's in the 6s.
Sustained bleeding will make the big holders question a weekend hold. If a few big hands fold up for greener pastures, down she goes. We shall see. Important day ahead, it bounced off the 7.02 bottom and closed at 7.26.
The Twits are saying it can't get any worse..lol. They too new to this $_hit :)
Coming down this fast I doubt it will stop in one shot and on a dime.. I figure right above a whole USD but I’m going with one other then 7…. I’m going to have my timid sight set at the X2 line at 80M MC… Should be somewhere about 20% below us
7.02 Bottom HO??
Let's see how it deals with that, another red day. People who bought this at that Wednesday after hour session in the $13-15 zone are in some deep reds now. BagHold4Gold, at a certain point it may be cheap, that would be when it trades at 1x sales. That would be about $40M cap lol. GAME has to prove to the market it is more than a patent troll. August earnings release will boom or bust it!!
Yes, I’m thinking I might get a chance at getting some of my money back. At some point this has got to be undervalued assuming GAME can at least get something going. I don’t know where rock bottom is but we have to be getting close. Thinking if this gets to low 5’s it got to be worth ??? $5.05 and I’m in it… But at this rate who knows. Be just my luck to loose even more money
"We Got GameD, We Got GameD"
This one's looking like she a bottomless B!
When the social medias get wind of the Lockton suit, essentially a bit of jacking of his proprietary IP through WinView it will be interesting. The SJWs don't take too kindly to theft of built work, then on top of that they're claiming infringement on it to gain $$. You might get a shot at this at much cheaper prices. This certainly has been entertaining. Glad my bag ain't too heavy. Sure others are now true long investors! $7.30 Lows printing!
Thanks man, I’m not going anywhere. I still have faith in the game and will get back in if this keeps going down. My gut tells me the big lawyers for game would not be around if they felt the lockton issue was overwhelming. Not to mention I’m curious what 1010 comes back with on the c-suites scoop. Yeah, if I could find stocks that would give me a buffer of 50% fall in quick manner I’d have it made. I got my ass kicked here so I have a feeling I will have to lick my wounds for a bit before I set anything in motion. I’m looking at SRGA right now but, as stated, a bit timid:)
Been A Hectic Month...
For all the long awaited anticipation GAME had for about 1 year to get this NAS debut, it certainly hasn't been a kind month. The immediate look at a 3 month chart kind of is screaming it has to stop bleeding. But the wise market adage of don't try to catch falling knives might be more indicative of what's happened here. The next two days will close out 1 month from the listing debut, and likely provide some indicator as to if it has bottomed. Some slight alarming things, it's fallen below the 200 day moving average at $8.70. These are not small volume selloffs, this has managed to pace at above 1M volume daily, and it keeps sliding. Obviously no buy support to inch it up! I kind of think they anticipated that going at the king would go better, but dkng has a lot of market goodwill having been one of the first SPAC plays to enrich early holders, they're a loyal flock over on dkng & they've had detractors show up. GAME, is a fly on the hippos ass at this point. Every $1 this sheds is ~15M off the market cap. Currently it's at $118M Cap! With earning approaching in 2 weeks, it could see it shave off about $45M in cap and test the $5 zone if the earnings are horrible. Let's see how it deals with $8 as a possible floor..I do think it hit a 5 month low today.
Jho, as for other picks. it's a hunt for sure. Trying to find good undervalued plays that have run capacity. Sometimes the wait is long, but the key is to be in early & to have a focus on share structures & market caps. You want a stock to be able to shave off 50%, and your position still be up 100%+. Hunt for 10x and 1x become underperformers LOL, good luck with whatever ship you jump on next..
Well your APLD did alright. How do you find stocks, like EGOC, that you think will move?
Yes, not so much GAME when you are suing everyone you can think of and everyone of past is suing you. What a mess. Though I sold today at 7.75 so that will be a sure bottom for now as the chart shows. I have always said if you want to make money just do the opposite that I do.
Crooked GAMEs...
Here you go. This is the big picture!!..When you lay in bed with crooks, wallets often disappear!!
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/engine-media-holdings-patent-portfolio-ownership-clouded-by-suit-against-tom-rogers-chairman-of-engine-and-former-chairman-of-winview-inc-over-breach-of-fiduciary-duty-886866444.html
https://www.diamondmccarthy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/2021-0058-07-08-21-First-Amended-Verified-Complaint.pdf
I’m out completely.. should have listened to you all along LOL yeah, I’ll be interested for sure in hearing the scoop from the c-suites. I still need to learn the big picture of a stock getting massively shorted. Where this pig lands is anyone’s guess now.. I bet the Canadians are chapped. Yeah, awesome, NASDAQ!!! Ended up being the means of just getting slaughtered
GAME,Stopped!!
What a turd..Think 7.50 will be the first floor, there's a bit of warrants that maybe are in that zone that perhaps find execution. BUT, why execute $7.50 warrants when this will be $5, or $3. The IBs holding this are either shorting a pig which it might be at the bloated market cap, or organized in a beautiful takedown. Probably more money to be made shorting this than going long at the moment. This is a $40M rev, heavy loss turd that's been polished up to look shiny. Can see it going to $50M-70M market cap if this continues.
Ten Ten, what's going on in them C-suite meetings LOL! Let us know the scoops of dog poop
Any guess where this will bottom out? I’m thinking 7.5 for awhile then work it’s way down into the 6’s for months to come… What a disaster, one thing is clear and that is some big hands folded here. It seems most knew this was a major troll position though
It seems this is structured. Almost the same percentage and timing the past few days.
LOL… Thanks mate.. no, I cut my position by 60%… Sold 12,172 shares in the 8.8’s… I still have around 9k shares which, the way this has been going I’m sure I will dump tomorrow and try to put the ss Rogers in the rear view for good other than hopeful someday figure out what happened here.. I still can’t figure out why this is circling the drain so quickly.. I was positioned very well to start but I messed up and added at 12.5. But that aside I feel my 15k at 8.44 was untouchable but even that looks like a shit position within a day or two
hey Jho...
I will throw you a tip...maybe you take it, maybe you don't..
Throw some $ at EGOC...Yeah it's a penny, but it can't do you worse than the game did!!!
Trimmed down to 40%.. have yet to crunch the numbers but definitely not the story I had hoped for. Still can’t figure out with what I assume to be some what good news this has been headed down so aggressively well below pre news. What do you know of course it’s headed even deeper after hour. Takes me back to the unsettled litigation with the original patent owner. Well, after another good ass kicking tomorrow I’m sure it will be on to the next one.. The good news for you two is that if I get out the only sure thing is that it will go up right after
We Got LAME...
With all the Volume, this is clearly the IBs stroking one another.
This supposed float has already churned through. This is officially a $.hit stock. It has it all, bag holders, shorters, bashers, and a ton of red. Who's winning with GAME right now? Forget all those warrants about closes over $30/$15, this is back to $7.50 warrant zone soon, but maybe that's the plan for the big boys!
LOL… Yes, I agree 100% .. I’m hoping for a dead rogers bounce to position down to a zodiac
Ship Shape JHo..
Had to laugh, first thing that came to my mind after your lovely sea tale was this:
Congrats on officially becoming an investor! Somehow we all started here for a trade & the tail & trail winds have slammed the SS Rogers over a few rocks and the ship is taking on water. Have to agree with Hen Ten Ten, I see zero positive catalysts to move the ticker on the horizon higher, actually think the earnings in first week of August will sink this to 7s. This is not a gambling stock, it's a gaming one. Lots of people are giving it comparisons to gambling..it's not.
Well, was hoping this would pop and I could cut my position but it’s not looking that way. I would say it’s official, I am a major investor in the game and at the mercy of the trolls and some crazy ass east Texas judges who unfortunately like to rule by which ever way the money blows.
I knew you would finally come around 10 10… this must be a sign
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