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lol. Option for cash also. Seems strange the whole deal. Lots of ?
jehu
Jehu been studying it for an hour now!
Interesting--Cordia has been trading a about 3.95 per
and FCNCA is going to pay 5.15 per--- hasn't een that high in years!!!
New did you read this?
5.15 for Commons of cordia,...interesting number payable 4th quarter...interesting time....wonder if they the BOD use this to comaflauge another matter. Conspiracy theories
jehu
.........the deal with uwbi is OFF, frankie........................you might want to lawyer up........
.........and not with venerable LLP/attn. John E. Bowman...........dat is the dude who got you into this uwbi MESS to begin with, frankster.................couple of rich crazies over at uwbi, frankie, who want to take you down - - low..........BUTNER, low, frankie........just a couple of miles from your CRIB, frankie..........very convenient, frankie.........
...also, frankie, could be time to let hope take over - at least the uwbi matter - it seems you BLEW this MONSTER, frankie.......literally...................
...the uwbi problem ain't goin' away any time soon, frankie...................place at least the $176.214MM for the uwbi DTA back on the table, frankie..............then the uwbi folks take the DOJ and BUTNER off the table..........see how easy that is, frankie...........??????............now put hope back on, frankie...............tyia..........aimho............
..........PLEASE join me in WELCOMING Mr. GUY A. GIBSON to the First Citizens Bancorporation BOARD OF DIRECTORS...................
...Mr. Gibson comes to us by way of Palisade, COLORADO.........a seasoned banker.............................................
...Mr. Gibson previously was a director and major shareholder in United Western Bancorp.............................
...let's give a round of applause to Mr. Gibson..................
..........NEW:......................significant observation relative to the western united SEIZURE debacle.................
...guy is hiding........................in a fortified BUNKER, imo...........................not approachable, nor or his peeps.................
...very, very good sign...................although WE - WE are not surprised....................................
...HOPE (HOPE) guy is getting groomed over at FC........er, here............wherever......................aimho..........
......word is the uwbi security holders have BK provision 510(b)........AFFIRMATION.........affirmation......?????.....sounds like a larry word..............
...only means the uwbi BRONIES might get sum..............gotta have sumptin' to git.......................
...the FDIC crafted this failed bank BHC sale PROPOSITION, which the FDIC claims, the FDIC controls................don't know about you tranies, but we don't like handsome gents in BROWN SHIRTS controlling US - US..............however, IF those FASCIST JACKBOOTS got bales of CASH or stacks of hope bryant stock certificates........................will make an exception re: the western united CRIME.......................
...so drag this mofo out as long as you like, mr. gruenberg...............and SHOCK the uwbi tranies to the UPSIDE.............$5.50 per, as requested.........tyia........aimho...............
....no clarity on the uwbi BOD 'meeting' wherein a proxy vote was taken for specified O&D compensation.............their (the 4 horsemen) BK 'claims' were only a formality, imo................denied, as expected......
...may have been a secret uwbi BOD meeting, but doubtful........there has been communication but 1 lone individual makes all.......ALL decisions for uwb/uwbi, imo........probably guy, but there is some oddball lurking in the uwbi shadows - - jeff lippa or the atty who represents the buyer of the HIGHLANDER CAPITAL 16mm-share block.............even heard auntie li monitors the uwbi progress...........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......
...IF............IF............the fdic controls the uwb/uwbi CLOSURE.........................we're in some payola, imo........and, FC is the most likely and probable failed bank BHC 'absorber'.......................the math is on auto-pilot, imo.........450/150/50/100/30 = 3.25......purr, with a choice, imo.......and so is the legal process..........
...hope (ahem!!!!!) larry had a happy holiday..................aimho.........
Interesting
4. No objections to or requests for hearing on the motion/application were received by
the undersigned, or filed with the court and docketed in the case file by the date designated in the
notice, or have been resolved by Docket No. N/A.
Case:12-13815-TBM Doc#:548 Filed:04/26/16 Entered:04/26/16 11:12:31 Page1 of 2
Show me the money!!
...uwbi STOCK CANCELLATION AND LIQUIDATION AGREEMENT..........................
...we (uwbi BRONIES) envision (don't we, larry.....????) a choice between taking fcnca common stock, or cash............how much in stock...........1 of those for 70 of OURS..........or about $3.25 per share of ours in cash.............???????............
...we like these MATH problems, don't we HOUSTON........er, I mean larry..............??????.............
...bottom line......................very cool.......aimho................just get the paper stamped and keep kimmie's dirty little stubby fingers off, if possible.....tyia........................
Find it interesting that Guy brought Paul E Maxwell (CEO Sterling Trust Comp.) with him to First Citizens Bank
Let me know if you want any of this deleted----I get pissed off with the rest of the people here, they don't do any DD at all--they are just LAZY
.........follow guy.........we don't want to blow his cover or rat him out................and that rumor/fact about the FC BOD may only be a board seat and not co- or vice-chairman...........but a BOD seat is still HUGE for a $32-BILLION dollar bank..............................
...brings us back to the uwbi HIGHLANDER CAPITAL 16mm-share BLOCK BUYER...........................guy could have been in on that because he won't give any clear answers and alludes to controlling a mountain of uwbi common..............
...also, you know about venable llp and jackboot job kickback johnnie, etc................how could the FDIC and venable llp be 'structuring' the uwbi POL.............?????.......WINK WINK, but WEIRD by any metric...........
...off the record, ahem, we or our peeps will be in Denver very soon.............................the "help" might NOT know what is going on with western united (heard the littles get all of their uwbi gossip from a deranged lunatic on the internet...???) but we plan on obtaining some clarity on a few uwbi matters of interest...................700 17th St., 80202 is on my phone locater..........1st one.........aimho...............
I should clean my previous post up---- Of the 20 people listed for First Citizens Bank and Trust Comp @ corporationwiki Denver---5 of those people were formerly associated with , and 10 are still associated with United Western Bank Inc.
So 15 of the 20 people listed as forming First Citizens Bank and Trust Comp ( Denver) all came from United Western Bank Inc.
You know what they say about that damn DUCK
...IF First Citizens BANK bought United Western BANK - - which it did...................and the FCNCA BHC absorbed the failed United Western Bank's BHC - - which some believe it did...............there you go..........................
...as for one guy a. gibson.................no comment, really....................Palisade National said he was 'away, for awhile'...................FC refuses to comment............no denial, however..........................NEWSIES in Denver are 'investigating'.......................same old, same old, relative to western united.................................but the end is definitely NEAR, imo...........................
Funny --looking at corpwiki of the people listed at First Citizens Bank and Trust Comp. 15 of the 20 have something to do with or are listed as previous + 10 of them are listed both places.
Gee does that mean that FCNCA merged with UWBKQ???????????????
Learned a long time ago to check on some of the things you post off hand.
When you first posted about Guy's new job I checked!
guy a. gibson= chairman @ First Citizens Bank and Trust
I guess no one else here or should I say in UWBKQ cares or they are just too damn lazy to look it up!
Guy A. Gibson
Guy's current roles include:
Chairman
First-Citizens Bank & Trust Company
Curious thing---I called Colorado National Bank at there Palisades phone number and asked to speak to Guy, Lady told me he wasn't at that address and wanted to know if I would like to be transferred to the Denver office.
...New: in regards to the uwbi ITR.........remember, kimmie got tommy mac to allow the ITR to be released from the BK CT jurisdiction...............................GONE.......but, attached to the motion was a settlement AGREEMENT by and between uwbi and some dudes in BROWN SHIRTS............45% to uwbi and 55% to the BROWNIES..........................
...so kimmie gets to host the interns for another summer.........another $30 box of tootsie pops and $222K for doing absolutely nothing............................
...transparency city in that western united case study..........
...wonder if uwbi gets remunerations in the form of hope HOLDING connell bryant SCOTT chattel certificates........??????........
...and guy a. gibson could be a vice-chairman or co-chairman or large shareholder in fcnca......................aimho.......
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Hope RODDY don't run off to the Netherlands with the ITR money
....WHY ARE YOU HIDING FROM THE NICE LADIES OVER AT UNITED WESTERN BANCORP, frankie............?????..........
...guilty conscience..............?????.............from what, frankie.........?????..............did you conspire with another demon to do a nasty, frankie..........?????........
...isn't BUTNER, NC only about 8 miles from your PRINCIPAL RESIDENCE, frankie..................??????.........how convenient........
...might be a very good IDEA to close out that united western bancorp matter, frankie.......................imo..........
...put HOPE HOLDING CONNELL on the line, frankie..............she must be the voice of reason regarding the united western bank PROBLEM.................................
...the uwbi common stockholders NEED CLOSURE, frankie and you, frankie just ain't gettin' the job done...........and who committed this ATROCITY, frankie.....????.......you and JOB KICKBACK JAHIDI JOHN BOWMAN......................nasty, frankie.......what you did to those poor folks...............
...so REPENT, frankie...........pay up, make a deal on the uwbi BHC/NOL.............and, actually, make some nice cash in the process, frankie.....under the tutelage of the FDIC........AND WE MOVE ON DOWN THE ROAD TO BUTNER, frankie.....hello, frankie.....?????...
...so put HOPE on the wire, frankie...........tyia.........aimho........FULL DISCLOSURE: the folks over at UWBKQ do not like you, frankie..............they are repulsed by you....................hatred would not be strong enough on how the uwbi ladies feel about you and JOB KICKBACK JOHN BOWMAN........................not close, frankie.......tootle.....
...close out the United Western Bancorp settlement, FRANK............and there won't be any collateral damage........and you won't get any closer to BUTNER...........
...alternatively, FRANK, the UWBI folks make a mess of this matter.................and your bro, JOB KICKBACK JOHN BOWMAN........bigtime trub for him, too..............
...your call, FRANK.............or VENABLE's...............just get 'er done and all is well.............and the uwbi 'arrangement' is a WIN WIN WIN for you and HOPE, FRANK.....
...do it now, FRANK..................the uwbi ladies are running out of patience..................tyia and aimho...........
...UNITED WESTERN BANCORP arrangement is long consummated, frankie.................................
...why not WE - WE go public.............?????.........what are WE - WE hiding, frankie................?????.........there was NOT a JOB KICKBACK, frankie..................and carmen bailed in disgust but carmen's actions were NOT a result of YOU and JACKBOOT JOHNNIE seizing that cute little Colorado bank.........was it, frankie.......???........aimho.........
...heck, you practically live in BUTNER at present, frankie........what's the RUB on western united's settlement.....????........pay the little people, frankie...........
...might be time to CLOSE OUT the COLORADO SCANDAL, frankie.......................not worth the risk in dragging out this WRONGFUL SEIZURE.....................just sayin'...........frankie...............wire the money.........tyia.............
...guilty conscience, FRANK...............stole that little western united bank under COLOR of LAW.......................
...very bad karma, FRANK......................buy the failed bank's BHC and all will be forgiven..............otherwise, FRANK, might be a curse placed upon you and yours........................
...congrats Mr. HOLDING.........you conspired to STEAL united western bank, did so and got away with it......CLEAN..........jahidi john bowman got his JOB via a JOB KICKBACK................................all is well..........
...you the man, FRANK.............carmen doesn't think so but she is a flake...............................rock on, frankie........aimho.........................
.......FRANKIE...........close out the united western BHC transaction, please...........................................
...the 5-year PICKLE is ripe.................wire the money and no one but you and me and Bernie will know where BUTNER, NC is..........tyia.......................
.......that's $176.214-million......fdic abbreviated................
...which means frankie presumably merged with uwbi's BHC and the BHC carried a NOL of about $525MM.............frankie stretched the purchase out FIVE F/-ing years...........greedy SOB...........but we love him, nonetheless, don't we...........?????........hello.....????........carmen.......is that you, darling..........????........ok, ok, we don't really love frankie, we respect him and his $176.214mm..................
.........time frame, frankie, or tommy mac or two dudes from VENABLE LLP who PRESUMABLY, again, authored the uwbi BK/pol docs........?????????????.............soon, we hope.............
...mayhaps we cross paths someday down in caribbeeeheeeee, frankie.......or at the next fc board/shareholder meeting............we probably would not have visited you in BUTNER, frankie...............just sayin'........tootle.....aimho........
........uwbi BK is definitely CLOSED................................
...are frankie's fingerprints on the POL or whatever format the CLOSURE took...............?????..........
...fc's FS on fdic forms indicate a mysterious DTA for $176,214......20% was initially taken for TE 2014 in the preliminary TR, then reversed or not utilized YET..............
...so, IN THE EVENT, frankie is involved in the uwbi BK.........mofo musta bought the BHC mothership........he already bought the BANK, remember...............?????........
...all's well that ends well, frankie.................
...btw, frankie................of that 176mio.........should we assume $2 in cash and $1.50 worth of your FC-A rum......?????.....dat be for the nice ladies over at colorado national/highlander capital block buyer LLC and family........................aimho...................
10q states a different number, just saying.
On October 27, 2015, the Board of Directors approved a stock trading plan that provides for the purchase of up to 100,000 shares of Registrant's Class A common stock. The shares may be purchased from time to time from November 1, 2015 through October 31, 2016. The board's action approving share purchases does not obligate BancShares to acquire any particular amount of shares and purchases may be suspended or discontinued at any time. Any shares of stock that are purchased will be canceled
....searching for the uwbi BHC NOL DTA in frankie's financial statements................couple of clues..........shrouded in legal/financial/fdic gibberish......................
...so we are bouncing a couple of questions off the fdic......is that ok with you, Mr. HOLDING............?????........why so secretive about all of the uwbi opportunity...........???????...
...the nice ladies over at uwbi are nervous, Mr. HOLDING.......you took their little boutique bank and now you are buying the failed BHC, Mr. HOLDING...................?????.........ok, we're in....we just would like CONFIRMATION of the 'arrangement' and a few details on the pricing and timing, if possible, Mr. HOLDING......
...might we increase the pace of this transaction, Mr. HOLDING, sir......??????........and keep the old FCNCA legal bitty off my back.............nasty gal said she has had enough of that Scott AH.........................we have too, Mr. HOLDING.........but she (caitlyn scott) wants her uwbi money back.................and as always, Mr. HOLDING, tyia.....................wonder what the weather is like in BUTNER, NC today, Mr. HOLDING........??????.........
.....BK withdrawal or POL stamp = either way, same effect, imo..........
...re: kimmie and any amount of money, in any category must be dutifully publicized...................which means there is much more than $800K in kimmie's drawer, imo............and $45MM worth of HUNGRY ANIMALS who signed away their souls and litigation rights and all other liberties via a NDA attached to the certification......FOR FULL PAYMENT..........................
...so, kimmie doesn't move OUR - OUR needle.......in the least bit..............'cause some BIG PEOPLE are moving around GARGANTUAN chunks of frozen iceberg legal tender, imo.............
...appears as if the fdic is going to get a quickie closure stamp or BK withdrawal (longshot, but possible) on the uwbi filing, imo......could come 12/9/15..........fc was whispered on more than one occasion, with a $120MM, total, pkg. and this was cash and stock of some sort.......?????......."it's the gov't"............"they want the full five years"............"first citizens is messed up"...................aimho............
With draw from bankruptcy----
From the research I have done---the trustees and BK judge don't like to sign off on bankruptcy withdrawals if they feel the claimants might get stiffed in some way.
That's raises the question -- If all the claimants are 100% paid in full, and there is enough left for the Trustees and legal beagles-- would anyone have a problem with a withdrawal?
If memory serves me correctly---Kimmy spoke of one of the large settlements coming into the BK estate was for $800 grand and that was more than enough to pay some of the people that had already submitted bills to the BK estate.
I don't recall any of the adversary proceedings with that kind of money attached to it. Where the hell did that money come from?
ONE OF THE LARGE SETTLEMENTS COMING INTO THE BK ESTATE!!!!!!!!!!
.....solution to the COLORADO need for a bank which can process cash for businesses in the cannibas trade = congress giving a WAIVER to the Treasury dept................with the endorsement of the fdic........................and guess which bank will be the 1st and possibly the only bank permitted to process the legal weed dealers.........?????........
...COLORADO NATIONAL BANK...........who's principal is one Guy A. Gibson.............and Mr. Gibson was the former Pres/CEO of United Western Bank..........and a very large shareholder in uwbi, the bank's HOLDING company............
...BIGTIME soap opera....................huge..............
...so, Mr. HOLDING.....................close out the FCNCA purchase of the uwbi BHC.....................and please hurry the F/- up, Mr. HOLDING............................tyia...............
...COLORADO NATIONAL BANK..........................very cool, stuff, Mr. HOLDING......................aimho.................
....FOUR CORNERS credit union is now suing the KC Fed for not approving four corners app. for a 9-digit routing number to process cannibas businesses in CO....................COLORADO NATIONAL BANK claims it has applied to the fed as well.........via the fdic.......
...this is only a side issue because the REAL ISSUE at hand is WTF Mr. HOLDING is paying for the uwbi BHC..........?????.......a lot or a little..................the uwbi shareholders want CLOSURE to the WRONGFUL SEIZURE of united western bank in the first place........hello........Mr. HOLDING bought the bank and we HOPE (ahem!!) he buys the failed BHC and its NOL - - nice, Mr. HOLDING.............
...the uwbi BK proceedings in early December might smoke out the FCNCA/uwbi 'arrangement'.......................mayhaps........
...pony up, Mr. HOLDING and all will be forgiven..............otherwise, BUTNER.................hello.......bunkmate to Bernie, Mr. HOLDING...........??????......................you choose, Mr. HOLDING..............tyia............aimho................
.....all biz, Mr. HOLDING.............................................
...absorb the uwbi BHC..........why not........???......pony up a combination of stock and cash, say $120MM............benefits = the uwbi NOL..................$368MM in losses on uwbi's books at the SEIZURE............might be more, but whatever........
...WIN WIN, Mr. HOLDING.........................sir.........sorry to hear about cousin carmen..............nice gal..............
...best of luck, Mr. HOLDING.......................certainly, the nice ladies over at the uwbi shareholders club are very much looking forward to being partners with you and HOPE, Mr. HOLDING.........
what the..? http://coloradonationalbank.com/index.php?cc=1
...we hereby ACNOWLEDGE that FCNCA and any affiliates MAY NOT be the entity which purchased/merged/absorbed the uwbi BHC and all related assets....................bank HOLDING company, by fdic definition................................
...but WE - WE believe strongly that FCNCA and/or its legal adviser is directly involved with the merger 'arrangement' and the BHC/uwbi...........
...furthermore, it is only SPECULATION that a JOB KICKBACK was given to any former OTS ACTING DIRECTOR by a party in any way associated with First Citizens, the HOLDINGS, venable llp or the Alice in Wonderland fan appreciation syndicate, nor any successors................
...there, frankie, now what are the general terms of the uwbi BHC purchase/merger....????.......and what is the estimated TIME FRAME on closing out the uwbi BK......????.......if you do not know the answer, send an email request over to JACKBOOT jonjon over at vennie poo LLP.............tyia............and time is of the essence, frankie.....................aimho you know how larry is about giving the opinion condition on every post on social media, frankie...........................oh, and frankie, one more request, could you give me carmen's phone number or personal email address......??????.............ty, again, frankie......
....agreed...........the CNB new cap PPM indicates approval is possible and likely, if any bank is approved..............the turn down two weeks ago was to a to-be-created credit union that would only process weed companies.................guy and tom are in the driver's seat, imo..................the fdic might just be in their court, so to speak, imo...................
...but, per guy, absolutely no connection between colorado national bank and uwb/uwbi.......................ok, fine...........we get it......
...believing in that fc/uwbi understanding...........gonna happen, imo..........................logic...............legal logic.....
...gotta get the BK POL stamp/closure without the BK CT minions touching the candy bowl.................aimho.........IP, imo......
colorado national might still get approval to process the cash for cannibas businesses.........
and will provide custodial services for certain alternative investments.
...agreed, the pic of guy sitting in a chair at 700 17th St., working for a new chartered bank CONVINCED US there would be a significant payout to uwbi shareholders - - we had to sleuth around to get the scoop on Colorado National Bank, etc.........but in the end, we felt tremendous relief and then we spoke to guy and a few others.......................
...carmen holding's behavior was of interest to us..........
...had a communication with drew sandler, who after giving us the canned "uwbi and uwb are separate entities and we represented THE BANK in it's action against the OCC"............etc.......he acknowledged, imo that uwbi's status was not complete........(wink)......
...the usb colorado national bank charter is being recapped by a group led by guy's partner, Tom Jackson - - we understand the deal could have been over-subscribed........colorado national might still get approval to process the cash for cannibas businesses...........good bank, LT, regardless, imo........
...still going with the fc/uwbi resolution........might turn out to be $3.00 cash p/s + that $1.50 p/s worth of Frankie-A.....that would match the $200MM total fc payout vs just the $50MM in stock to the uwbi 510(b) ladies........we'll see, shortly, imo.......
...we're close to CLOSURE...........HOLDING vs HOLDING..........
Guy was savvy enough to be sitting in his chair @ 700 17th St. right now!
No F/ing idea what is going to transpire ----- but can't believe Guy received a bank charter again, and is just going to sit there and bleed $$$$$$$$$$
....the highlander capital block buyer only paid about 20 cents p/s, imo...........it was an insider-arranged deal and the transaction was shrouded in secrecy........we actually traced the sale and contacted both billy blair and the account manager at highlander capital (he spoke initially and then freaked out and stopped all communications - had similar outcome with billy blair)......
...but, the highlander capital block buyer took control of 16MM shares - april/2011..............we believe guy was in on the entire transaction (as an observer) which is why guy remains so smurkie about the entire uwb/uwbi situation.............we have spoken with guy on more than one occasion - can't say much more but guy doesn't give much insight.....he wants to focus on Colorado National Bank, he says......he always shrugs off uwb/uwbi questions and states 'whatever happens, will happen'..........etc..................to me, this validates the frankie 50, 1.50 and 5-year lag (purposeful).........aimho.....we have been in similar situations with the fdic..........
The shares that Guy has, IMO were valued @ about $6 MM
What do you think was the amount invested to buy the highlander capital block ?
Not saying that we get $16.50 a share----but imo Guy and the highlander capital block buyer didn't sign off for $1.50 per.
...with the sheer number of secret postings, anything is possible in a legal case.............we read the entire case file - - which is no longer accessible, I was informed............but the internal communications between auntie li and the fdic lead was very, very informative......................and the uwb decision-maker (highlander capital block buyer atty, we believe) DROPPED THE UWB APPEAL a few days later..........................water under the Brooklyn Bridge, imo..........................
...this deal, whatever the F/- it is, WILL BE LONG OVER WITH AND CLOSED within 60 days, imo..................we are burnt out, regardless................
...and we all know CLOSURE of some sort would come before the end of time........................law of nature..........
...trying to get some confirmation on this frankie 50 yak.........paranoia is dem..............fdic musta sent out refresher threats recently........we didn't get one......?????.....wonder if the certified uwbi LUNATIC on the internet got hers................
I sure would like to be looking over TBMs shoulder when he reads the dispositive motions with supporting memoranda today.
...so frankie finally SETTLED with the nice ladies over at the western united credit union.................you and JACKBOOT johnnie took their nifty little adequately-capitalized bank and..............then what, frankie..........??????......
...should we get carmen HOLDING ame's version of what happened, frankie...........?????................
...so, frankie, FCNCA now absorbs the UWBI HOLDING company...........the HOLDING company, frankie..........ironic twist..............
...so you ponied up, $100MM, frankie..............$50MM for BK Claimants and $50MM worth of FCNCA-A slop for the uwbi cusip crowd...........?????.......nasty deal, frankie...........
...so, now, frankie, we are PARTNERS..............imagine that.......????..................you probably shoulda kept your dirty hands off of western united in the 1st place, frankie..................BUTNER, frankie.................just down the street from your primary residence...............just sayin'.......frankie................
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