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John Paulson wants the released. Hedge funds want them released. DJT works for billionaires hedgies he is friends with.
They want to make money on the stock.
The question is is 30 billion in preferred worth it to them and I would say it might be and commons might get screwed .
-we do not know if he will win, too close
-If he wins, not sure if he wants to fix this or close them down (think bush, corker, demarco, calabria, mnuchin: which party did they belong to ? and what did they do you have your answer. even scotus judges are against fannie freddie )
-assume he wants to fix, what is the guarantee we will not get another calabria or mnuchin type? what is the guarantee he/she will cater to special interests funding the election?
too much speculation and faith . if he says openly what he is going to do with gse's, then it matters, he never committed to doing anything.
media controls CNBC
(I am lost - and what was said on CNBC?)
wishing everyone well this Mother's Day Week
By the looks of it the election is Trump’s to lose. Arizona, Nevada. I have gone with the winner 89% of the time.
The spreads those states between Biden and Trump and enormous.
Georgia is 9-10 points Trump favor.
I really don’t like Trump, but it’s not like I love Biden.
Honestly, if Trump will release the GSE and make us all rich, I’d be more than happy to vote for him.
Shows how firmly my political convictions are!
link? did they tell the press to go ahead and sound the bells? media is fully in their control
My comment today on a Yahho business story, "Fact or Fiction: Congress Stole From Social Security and Should Return the Money It's Taken, With Interest" was rejected when I drew an analogy to the GSEs.
My comment;
The same principle--in spades or major greenbacks--applies to the Government's treatment of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which--unlike no other financial service companies operating in the 2007 housing finance crisis-- sixteen years ago were put into "conservatorship"--where they are still--and required to give well over $300 Billion in company/shareholder profits to various Treasury departments.
Even when the SCOTUS got involved, it rendered one of the more tortured judgments against the mortgage plaintiffs ensuring the bizarre arrangement would continue.
Yet, Fannie and Freddie still exist, locked into this federal hellhole with their shareholders, both still backstop the US mortgage market, and both are still forced to pay billions annually to the federal fund, in addition to their full federal taxes
Inner feeling, we need this, we need that, da moon ! Please be quiet for a week with the non sense. You sound VERY lost week after week, desperate and lonely!
Lmao !
Fannie & Freddie on CNBC - Unlocking Home Equity. Key Mortgage reform in focus.
We need the GameStop people to help us. I will call them right now. Stay tuned for updates.
50-50
RE the sweep - under DJT - CASH did not flow to Treasury !! - YUP
Cash stayed with F and F - YUP
Now - it was smoke and mirrors ---- as for every dollar that F and F did not send to Treasury under HERA --- Treasury got an IOU and increased the LP
SO ---- 50-50
If the LP is not killed or not dismissed or not viewed as paid off --- then the LP will wipe out every penny kept by F and F - either in receivership or by dilution of common and maybe JPS equity for about 80B or so of LP value GOV owns from this !!
If the LP is killed or dismissed or viewed as paid off (as I hope) then -- and only then !!! --- the smoke and mirrors cash and debt swap will super benefit us with equity
It could happen --- but DJT did not stop the growth of what F and F was in reality paying each quarter to TREASURY. DJT did not - in reality in the sunlight - stop the sweep. Read any unbiased account of what goes on each quarter.
I agree - a POTUS that wants to help us - or wants the good PR with spin - be it JOE soon or DJT - should declare the LP and indeed the total 200B "investment" paid off. That is very different from what did happen
The BO suit re ACA -
1. Had nothing to do with F and F - nothing (again if any POTUS can redirect money - DJT would have built a huge wall)
2. Was very small and had to do with one aspect of say 30-40 rules in the ACA - where insurance companies reimbursed hospitals which forgave deductibles and copays for poor patients. That is the law as written. But the R who sued were correct that money spent that way was not 100% specified in the final version of the written ACA legislation. So that one small aspect - friendly to about 1% of those on ACA - was killed. That was the key ruling
AND YES - as we all have learned in last 25 years - there is a limit to EO and FEDERAL power and the ACA and BO could not require states to participate in the expanded Medicaid to help working poor (the focus of the expansion - those who work and can not get Medicaid but while they work - they do not earn enough to pay premiums - lots of small business start ups) . I believe near 20 states brought the lawsuit - of which 11 or so now do offer the expanded Medicaid
I do
I think Calabria and DJT did nothing for equity in GSE and an R after BO and his NWS they blew a huge PR opportunity
so - I am amazed that a dozen or so posters here think DJT will save us --- even though we had four years of DJT and his picks for Justice (lawsuits continued to be defended) and Treasury
but why would historical facts bother DJT supporters on F and F - as they refuse to believe the data on DEBT overall by DJT being about eight Billion. DJT lovers prefer the alternative fact that debt in total rose more under BO --- BUT THAT IS 8 Years. On debt increase per year basis DJT was horrible for debt and laid the seeds for inflation ----- (note - I agree with the huge DJT funding to stop a recession - the stimulus - but the 2T to business was a joke and he will do it again -- causing more inflation
but - we will get a DJT rally in GSE prices if he stays even or ahead in polls -- just is this post WWII belief (despite all facts) that R curb deficits
Correct. The CRA was enacted under Carter and was the blue-print for the sub-prime loan catastrophe that led to 2008.
"Calabria is basically an idiot. His opinions are no better than an 8 year old and he knows little about what has gone on here.
Just a guy looking for a free meal."
He thinks he had a lofty job. As a gauge, just look at what replaced him. When the present one is gone, the next can be easily found in any cow pasture in the country.
We are a motley crew fighting windmills . . . the brunt of jokes for those in government.
I'm sure may retirees have died in squalor waiting to recover their retirement savings the government stole. Too late for many.
What exactly SHOULD those links show us, besides this:
NoSuchKey
Form ABS-15G/A FEDERAL NATIONAL MORTGAG
09:40:00 AM ET, 05/13/2024 - US Securities and Exchange Commission
http://archive.fast-edgar.com/20240513/AS2LV222H22282V2222R2M42M3MWZ222526209:34:00 AM ET, 05/13/2024 - US Securities and Exchange Commission
http://archive.fast-edgar.com/20240513/AS22V222H22282V2222R2M42M3MWO2225262
Filed on: May 13, 2024
Oh wow. To da moon Alice.
HAUT DAUGIES
If we can't get to the Moon,
we'll bring the Moon to us!
BOOM. CONSPIRACY YELLEN - SANDRA THOMPSON UNCOVERED.
Sandra Thompson's attempt to pass the Net Worth off as capital available, pretending that that's what is required, like in the requirements for sellers of mortgages to FnF (both banks and non-banks).
FnF are non-banks, but they have their own law FHEFSSA with capital metrics and capital requirements, recently updated with an authority in HERA, adopting the same Basel Framework for capital requirements that applies to the U.S. banks, and pursuant to the 2011 UST Report to Congress, as "recommendations on ending the conservatorships", at the request of the Dodd-Frank law: "Treasury recommends g-fee hikes to eliminate their unfair advantages in capital, as if the risk was held by the private banks. Etc."
They write the Net Worth amount. Then, they subtract the SPS.
— Conservatives against Trump (@CarlosVignote) May 13, 2024
LIke saying:"You see...The SPS are to blame. I've done everything great. Just proceed to cancel the SPS or a swap for Cs."
It's all about the Retained Earnings acct. Sole acct that absorbs the future losses.
Adj $-216B pic.twitter.com/2OgqOHyc9g
YELLEN & ST PRETEND TO BE BUSY
— Conservatives against Trump (@CarlosVignote) May 13, 2024
In FnF, soundness is about capital metrics, not NW.
ST, FHFA Deputy Dtr since 2013:
-Capital regulation: Critical C.level missing👇
-C.policy: C.deep in the red
-Financial Analysis: Financial Statement fraud(gifted SPS/offset are missing)#Fanniegate https://t.co/mqo7c4ZIb0 pic.twitter.com/L4k1SQ6Wjr
Here comes another push upwards this week! GLTA!!
My dad always said, "Hope in one hand and shit in the other. See which fills first." I do believe we have that situation here.
Probably just a little to much fiber for dinner 😂
Same here. I bought my first batch in Fannie in 2009. Uptill now, my investment return on the GSEs is 4%. This is a big big lesson to me. In a free world, 2 stocks with EPS of $10 for many years is now trading at $1.4. Over 10,000 documents are still sealed for 15 years under presidential privilege. Time for justice to prevail. Free World ?
Before the Nov election, we should see some major price hike. I would estimate that Fannie will see $3. You will get your $1.5 in the market. IMO.
Well, this ought to be interesting ... one has to wonder whose idea this was, they've been claiming all along everything is fine ... there will be a hidden agenda not necessarily discernible from whatever his initial address is ...
BIDEN TO ADDRESS US INVESTMENTS AND EMPLOYMENT ON TUESDAY
— FinancialJuice (@financialjuice) May 13, 2024
"It is getting better and I can see the light." how can you say that? what are you seeing?
Sorry, GSE shareholders got screwed and continue to get screwed by the govrats that created this mess. It is getting better and I can see the light. The end cannot come soon enough.
I’d rather have their all their finger nails hit with a 5 pound hammer, some harder than others depending on the damage they created. That would be the least.
1.50 reparations is way too low considering how many lives those lowlife greedy rats affected. How many retiree pensions were affected cannot be replaced.
Fnma
I wish they would have wiped out shareholders in 2008.
Pre conservatorship shareholders would have sued and won but companies still gone.
I would have never bought. Imagine where my portfolio would be without this loss since 2009.
We deserve this to end and get paid dividends, etc.
hypocrisy : he pushed back on treasury when it wanted to as per his podcast. he had everything lined up. the worst and has the audacity to post such bs.
and what is left there to fix?
he said in 2019 that he would wipe our shareholders, said the same in 2008. at least watt said he does not lose sleep over it. but catman repeated wiping out shareholders as if that is all he thinks about on how to. you wonder why would the previous admin put him as fhfa director? if they really cared about ending conservatorship? an architect of hera who started to write and plan the conspiracy since 2004 with the fellow travelers, cato institute.
i think it was intentional for admin to put him there and mnuchin so that they can lead on shareholders and finally towards the end put a nail in the coffin and do a letter agreement raising capital levels, hiding the stress test and solidifying the loot and lying and filing with scotus that net worth has stopped when it wasn’t. the intent of closing them was because they believe it is misused for affordable housing. even scotus judges hate fannie mae and freddie mac and him and the judges are all members of heritage foundation that propagates such feelings towards fanne mae and freddie mac.
not sure if either admin will do anything. your hopes are all on wrong path imo.
https://www.housingwire.com/articles/calabria-willing-to-wipe-out-fannie-mae-freddie-mac/
[Calabria told Congress in the hearing "I’m on the record as saying in 2008 what we should have done is wipe out the shareholders."]
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/president-donald-j-trump-announces-intent-nominate-appoint-individuals-key-administration-posts-3/
Not just hope, but an inner feeling
Would BS work?
Shorts are going to hell where they belong once and for all
Reason? Other than HOPE that is.
It will be much more than 15-20 cents
Don't forget my Prediction for next week:
Fannie and Freddie will gain
15 - 20 cents each next week...
Take it to the Bank and Load up
early Monday mornin'
Where in HERA does it say that it is Treasury's job to fix GSEs? That's the job of the conservator, FHFA, not Treasury — correct? If not, please point to the statute. You wrote the law, so you shouldn't have trouble finding it.
— Jeremy Cain (@jeremycain_usc) May 10, 2024
Warriors, 8 years as VP, 4 years as President, 50+ years in Government, I think our last hope will be Orange Man. Especially with only 6 months left. Especially since Orange Man knows how corrupt the system is. Just my opinion.
Shareholders who have been holding
from imposition of the NWS should be given
$1.50/common share as a
REPARATION
udge Collier(sp) DC Court ruled against BO twice for using the NWS to fund his projects. (Obama Care).
This is about 5% true and I have shown the facts with links before
I likely will lay out reality --- for those who still have 10% of their brain open for reality
(yes we all live in SILOS - and we all have a bias -- but there are NO - NO - Alternative facts)
if you are talking about credit default swaps -- the big WRITER - OWNER was AGI (and they only bet one side and lost by going long) Tons of money involved in CDS but 45% or it - or thereabouts was A to B contracts long and then A to C contracts short - such that A was only mildly exposied long or short. THEY (biggies) all did that ---- except AIG which went 100% long
I owned some Washingto Mutual and got beat up when they were taken over on a Thursday --- never before by FDIC
Along the way made a bit of money trading it
But note --- Washington Mutual is a mess and maze and arguments on both sides
BUT all debt owners - got every single penny back
I got a ton back on cheap over discounted Trust Preferred - deemed by that bank to be debt (lowest debt but debt)
They even had enough money at the end to make a lot of crooks EXTRA money and provide some minor relief to equity
Strange and Stranger - and seemed to me - a dumb ass court -- as it gave away tons of disputed money - nearly 100% to JPM v some more to equity owners - common and JPS
YES YES
1. F and F - via 30 year mortgages make housing far more affordable - adding liquidity to the mortgage industry (and stability and rules)
2. F and F do 95% of their business if not 99% - in the normal mortgage market
3. Talking about F and F in affordable housing - is correct given their mission and core activities - but it is not HUD and it is not a give away as in the LBJ approach of throw money at problems (maybe of mild value ONE TIME). It makes housing more affordable via the 30 year mortgage which would not exist direct from banks and the insane liquidity it provides to housing financing.
4. I have noted before the massive profits we all know F and F produce nearly every year --- and bluntly that is 100% not possible if their focus is on low income (no income) and "affordable housing associated with minorities and non working USA) "
All that said - they have 1000000000 programs --- PR ---- that suggests they do so so so so much more for the near poor . A tip of the hat to their PR folks for D and a tip of the hat to FOX and NEWSMAX for their constant implication money is being given away
ALL THAT SAID
DJT could have shift on BO and freed us ---- just could have under the simplicity of corporate America focus. He did not . Not at all
JOW can - and should - get great PR from some loud and a bit misleading "so called Program" to address AFFORDABILITY. They should create the impression it is huge and new and will solve tons of problems. That is smart politics even if not really honest politics. I DO HOPS they do something like that and brag about 300B on the 200B and - yes how 100B from options can do a lot with no increase in deficit by one penny ----- and along the way kill the LP - and yes suggest 4:1 dilution (tiny IMO) but kill any discussion of LP conversion to common --- and brag bout using private markets to raise that 100B say over 3 years ----- with a utility model F and F
OMG, MC is a complete hypocrite.
If DJT wins, we will will. If you don't believe that, you better forget Fannie and Freddie and move on to some other stocks.
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