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Why is this a surprise?
Why did you learn this today? Was Sandra’s nomination not a big enough hint for you?
Without Googling I'm not sure when Blueberry season is but I would like to know which year?
Still think it's not going to under a buck?? You're 3 red days away!!
Alright. That's a good summary
Business as usual
Their annual visit to the Senate for the lip service is done. Their offices will get back to each other offline for all tough questions
I totally agree this is a ticking time bomb that could eventually explode in our favor if the TSY and establishment powers are “forced” to act legally & legitimately. By “forced” I mean financial, economic, and rule of law realities that render the current thievery impossible to execute as a finality and cover up with any legitimacy. The time scale will depend on how strong the economy is over the next 2-3 years and how much FnF retain organically. If no economic surprises to the downside my guess is we will be on our way to release during the next admin, there will be a reality check on the capital rule, the warrants will either be allowed to expire or be bought back at realistic figures while there may be a secondary offering that does NOT damage current shareholders irreparably. Any economic clusterfucks could derail this but that’s always the case.
I think we will have a “Trump” rally leading up to the election, but I do NOT believe the powers that run things will allow a legitimate election nor a second T term. They have too much to lose letting him back in. Whoever they get for the second term after Biden will be the same puppet he’s been. We’ll see how desperate they are by who it is and what kind of actions they allow this new puppet to execute. Which could include the worst shareholders could imagine if things get as foolish as the whole COVID fiasco. All bets are off if Iran & Israel go to war and Russia v Ukraine is not resolved to the globalist order’s liking.
You don't know illiquid until you sit on very valuable CH 11 PFD/Hybrid securities with guarantees for years as little by little every distribution to creditors finds excess of every creditors claim per tranche.
2008 is a 15+ year process that benefits from a slow unwinding, opportunities in buying on OTC what accredited only IPO participants dump, and knowing just what the heck you are buying.
Similar principals make GSE common stock the 8th wonder of the world in that how could it be so overlooked when we can just use our PC/phones to learn how they work, how they're finances are, and how they are exiting conservatorship -> most importantly why they are meant to become private sector companies with public listed shares and the environment they are coming into being so much more profitable and simpler than the one they left in 2008.
Many things about 2008 remain out there, illiquid for the majority of valuable investments in the open market - but FNMA and FMCC are the exception. If these two are illiquid I find it funny in the past 6 months the volume has broken the top 50 lists with tight spreads of one cent more than a dozen times up there with all the NYSE and NASDAQ listed company's common stock.
Illiquid. That's funny. Can't remember the last time I saw a FNMA or FMCC spread over a penny.
Important news if you realize selling MBS and buying mortgages off only a handful of banks/non-bank lenders by comparison to pre-conservatorship is Fannie's most important operation and also where the big revenue (that we one day will see dividends and spot price movement from) is generated: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fannie-mae-mortgage-scoring-system-161232345.html
From Yahoo Finance! by Bloomberg LP Fannie Mae’s New Mortgage-Scoring System Aims to Lift MBS Demand
Just another big yet quiet step towards the end of this "temporary" conservatorship. Imagine if MBS products became offered using the connectivity of the internet we have in 2024 to retail for easy cash monthly disbursements for holders - unlike 2008 when the internet was simply not ready for that, nor software platforms running on the web.
We are conditioned since COVID especially to retail invest in just about anything imo. More competition is good for Fannie Mae selling MBS because you add the retail investor, the 401K portfolios of the employed worker, to the normal big institutionally filled MBS market in another US housing/home financing boom cycle and you make Fannie Mae ridiculously wealthy in the process and banks will benefit from this in big ways. One such way is offloading their risk faster for profits, offering lower rates on their mortgages, and offering mortgages to more diverse and larger populations of willing home buyers. It does work that way. Fannie and Freddie don't need the FED to buy their MBS anymore than the World needs to buy any more US Tbill debt. Time to invest in profitable, liquid, dividend paying instruments. New home demand remains high in many sections of the US despite "FFR % remaining high and 7% being the boogeyman all over the internet and press" -- that narrative is bogus. DR Horton just had a Q1 in Texas where despite high mortgage % rate they couldn't build fast enough to satisfy the demand and will continue building to keep demand for NEW houses satisfied. People pay too much attention to mortgage rates being tied to the FFR. Rates will lower when you free the GSEs to the public and do things that speed up the efficiency in buying loans off lending banks, banks profiting, bundles of responsibly originated mortgages being sold to investors - and increasing the amount of investors that can access MBS also allows the velocity of lending, bank profits and offloading risk + Fannies capacity to pack and sell these into MBS for larger sized populations with high demand is how the private sector doesn't need government to help it function. We can simply see Fannie and Freddie succeed if they give access to their MBS in ways like this news article proclaims to large populations using the connectivity we now have and also let the market demand that will rise with retail access to traditionally just institutions accessing MBS secondary markets make Fannie and Freddie wealthy enough to buy mortgages off mostly bank lenders in large quantities, faster speeds, making banks larger profits due to the velocity of sales. The rates banks will lend at will fall as they wish to lend to populations that need more affordable terms and also for the wealth and the building of new homes will flourish.
I would argue the FED ending it's purchase of MBS is the best thing you could have happen. Anytime government meddles with a system that could run better in the right free market private sector scenario, it hinders its productional capacity, capabilities, and value. Shareholders will flock to buy FNMA and FMCC common stock as well because with no gov't control comes dividends to the shareholders and in the proposed scenario I forsee - those profits will be turning heads as the excess waterfall from MBS sales at both higher velocity and larger populations increasing demand and competition, increasing MBS price and profits from = $5 dividends from the release day 1 thru it's first privatized quarter and who knows how far? In fact if they get unusually large I would imagine stock splits are in order. This is a 4.28 Trillion Dollar company by Ent Value. If you sold all of it's assets and gave it to its outstanding shareholders including the warrants in that total that's a whopping 3,784 USD per share of common stock. Wanna bet this company can handle expansion? I would expect a 10:1 split or two along the privatized future?
Once government stops hindering what the market can handle, you have a few banks gobbling up MBS for the first time since 2021 in JPM WFC B of A reported in January 2024 - and banks also are going to enjoy getting insanely rich from the profits of lending faster than ever before and expanding to the extreme demand for new housing as they can keep nearly all of the liability off their books because many Americans and immigrants alike can pay off their mortgage payments when the govt and FED gtfo out of the way. What lowers mortgage rates is not the FFR, but the capital banks will have to expand their lending on friendly terms with lower credit requirements because do you really need a 680 FICO and a six figure job to get housing to afford a $350,000 home with 30 yr fixed rates and a 6% interest rate going lower as banks become super capitalized? No. Also homebuilding creates jobs for many different industries. It all works better in the end.
My two cents. I wouldn't worry so much about a PURPOSELY popped bubble when a weeks time removed GSEs from the private sector and Lehman was forced into CH 11 because of a dispute in asset and liabilities valuation on its book with JPM Chase from a Fall 2007 FASB implementation of Mark to Market accounting (FAS 157).
I advise you read on that. Also $1.32? Steal of the century. You know the Trump pump will be >$10 before the election. Just like the first run of 15 months in the green began in Jan 2023, the Trump pump will begin sooner than October and November - heck you might even get a shocking release from conservatorship before the election because it's not a Biden or Trump admin that dictates the time for the need of private GSEs. It's more of a Jamie Dimon type ring of bankers that will select the time for the govt to gtfo the way. You'll see.
That's how the world works. MBNA since the 1990's into the 2000's bought Joe Biden. Trump may not be bought by banks but he sure as heck is private sector, wall street and bank friendly. JPow, FHFA, Yellen. None of these people run the show. That's the truth. Lawsuits are involved sure, but that's also sometimes as much theater as it is procedural for the future. You do realize the USA is a country where the legal framework and evolution of it has to be based on precedent. We are coming to the end of a reorganization where quadrillions of pages of legal proceedings set precedent in and out of courts.
This bullish post is brought to you by someone who doesn't gaf what the "leaders" of this GSE community think. I'm just sharing info as I invest heavily as well. Take it as a peace offering for anyone who is looking for answers to how this all ends/begins and will make you $FNMA folks a really nice amount of capital gains if you're holding here.
/should've tweeted this. Bill Ackman has shit on the length of this post.
At least the topic of release was brought up - when and who of stature will continue to follow-up on this will certainly gain attention and support from many who have been asking about this for the last 15 plus years.
$5 by blueberry season.
8:0 jury verdict means something government is grasping at straw's let's see tomorrow if we bounce off of April 5 low of 1.29 🛹🌵🇺🇸
Just like the day of getting put into conservatorship came out of nowhere... the exit will come out of nowhere.
Ain't no one going to give you even a day of advance notice.
Triple black diamond while he splashed the Ps with lime margarita. Expecting a P pop of at least 59%
I’ve posted previously saying that fundamental rights can be violated without any justice in cases where the details are so complicated that the judges themselves would never be able to understand the theft that happened. In this case, the accounting is possibly full of so many arcane details that it is making it possible for them to get away with this for over 10 yrs now.
The only good part with today’s hearing was the 2 minute schooling Senator Hagerty gave Thompson. She herself did not respond. In the end the schooling is going to have no effect. Clearly the Biden administration does not want the conservatorship to end. They need the GSEs to run their social programs. This is what I learnt today.
The Biden administration has NO INTENTION to release FNF this year or any year in the future !!
Yer blocked. 😆 🤣 😂
I heard Sen Haggerty giving sandra the business
On point
You are correct. When I say void, I am referring to my prior reasoning in multiple posts. You correctly state that the SPSPA is not void as a matter of court rulings yet. What I was trying to state, is that I believe the gov knows that if this verdict is aloud to stand then there will be a 8-0 finding of facts that the terms of the SPSPA result in a violation of common law contract rights as codified in Del, and Virginia law. The current arrangement of LP on the Seniors that increases dollar for dollar of net-worth is just a NWS part 2. The SPSPA has been found by the DC courts to violate common contract law. Full stop. I believe Lambirth shouldn’t approve the gov motion on the merits. But I dont think merits have anything to do with it. I believe that should the verdict stand, there is now the ability for injuntive relief based on the terms of the SPSPA itself. I don’t think the agreement will withstand any attempt to collect on the LP or warrants should there be a new lawsuit from any shareholder in any district court just by filing a little tucker act claim for illegal exaction. Kind of hard to dismiss that 8-0 jury verdict in DC. This is what I believe.
"this stock is still worth 50 with the warrants"
Easily, but the warrants have been satisfied so you now need to talk with Patswil.
"Courts will take years, so Trump in the next hope. then do we cut off our arm to get free (warrants)?"
In the case where Trump might win the election, is any process underway to educate his upcoming administration about the plight of Fannie and Freddie or do we have to begin anew next January? Release should be the FIRST order of business after the swearing-in because absolutely nothing is going to happen with these socialists . . oops, I mean Democrats.
"IMO the obvious was looking us in the face the entire time.
Biden admins goals NEVER included exit. they have their dream scenario in Cship. control housing mort market, doing uneconomical subsidy programs that cant be forced on comps Outside Cship.
trump/calabria want(ed) exit
— Tony Castelluccio (@T_Castelluccio) April 18, 2024
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Hey TONE! Wees got a problem. You knows some people. Let's get it taken care of!
"Senate Banking & Housing Hearing Begins @ 10:10 am EST ..."
What a waste of the auditory system!! You have five minutes Senator. Here's your soapbox.
"this is where the court system could completely break down, if any judge ignores the judicial process and gives in to Government pressure because they lost. we are truly in a banana republic or worse, communism, where Government does whatever they want for whatever greedy reason they want, and tells judges to ignore the truth and the people"
It's in a shambles now and it's totally the fault of those that play in it . . . the legal profession. QED
Look up the word "RIDICULOUS" in your dictionary. Below is what comes up:
Last Updated: April 17, 2024, 11:59 p.m.
Assigned To: Royce C. Lamberth
Citation: IN RE: FANNIE MAE/FREDDIE MAC SENIOR PREFERRED STOCK PURCHASE AGREEMENT CLASS ACTION LITIGATIONS, 1:13-mc-01288, (D.D.C.)
Date Filed: Nov. 18, 2013
Date Terminated: Oct. 10, 2014
Date of Last Known Filing: April 17, 2024
Cause: Civil Miscellaneous Case
Nature of Suit: 890 Other Statutory Actions
Jury Demand: Defendant
Jurisdiction Type: Federal Question
2013 to 2024!!!! And this comes under the "Speedy Trials Doctrine"??? And worse yet, NOBODY has received a dime as of April 18,2024!!!!
You said the spspa is void if the verdict is upheld. That is false, this was a claim for monetary damages nothing was for injunctive relief. Nothing that says the spspa will be void as a matter of law.
None of the goblins sold they are all dreamers expecting $300 per share.
Oh wow. Sherwin showed up on cue end of day for some downhill skiing. Black Diamond that is.
What's up with the plunge towards the closing bell? Which one of you goblins had weak hands?
Yes! All shareholders from the beginning of the NWS deserve Reparations
really?
Hey I want to be free and trading NYSE
AND for sure F and F were stolen from STOCK EQUITY owners ----- a crime, or at minimum a TAKING that should be completed by paying us say $25 a share
but ---- this illegal ugly action has not harmed people's ability to buy homes - future generations have not been harmed
rates are relatively higher as the FED tries to beat up the economy and cool inflation
indeed the very explicit GOV guarantee on paper issued by F and F likely keeps rates down say one tenth of one percent and - like it or not - "allows" F and F to buy up MORE mortgages from primary markets
And per one article I saw FMCC wants to LEND money to home owners on their equity --- eliminating the need for a second mortgage or HELOC application --- stay tuned as maybe maybe maybe that avenue to much more profit - will indirectly help free us
Big guns buyin' Fan and Fred like hotcakes as
marginal hands bail
Let me guess sandra did not say anything positive about 'gse release' today
I agree, unless the dividend and compensation to shareholders is enough to keep me around
I firmly believe that a Stockade level (Public Shaming) in the courthouse square would do wonders for "convicted" criminals.
Especially those who fall into the Nonviliant/White collar crime category, To Hell with house arrest & community lockup during
the week just to be let out on Fridays @ noon for the weekend.
i have stuck in this for 10 years, i'm with ackman - take the 50 and run now dammit no more waiting
this stock is still worth 50 with the warrants
The GSE's are like the rock climber who caught his arm in the rocks and cannot get free.
Do I cut off my arm (aka warrants) to get free or do I stay here and die?
warrants are not legal at this point but how else do we get free except court or Trump.
Courts will take years, so Trump in the next hope. then do we cut off our arm to get free (warrants)?
"Potttersville"-from It's a wonderful Life
unreal govt rats have sold out future generations from home ownership to fatten their wallets.
they should all be prosecuted and be publicly disgraced
> Given the exponential rise in unethical law-fare perpetuated by the industry over the last decades I see no other explanation.
Not to be cynical but appeals/delays also mean more billable hours for certain parties (which also means a new Mercedes, a second vacation home, etc.) It's in your best interest to advise your client that appeals/delays are in their best interest.
Ace
pet projects - votes ---- that is politics and political corruption. I have no idea why democracy and politics is socialism
We had a Republican WH - Treasury and Justice Dept and we did not exit
cash account - no borrowing
IRA or similar - no borrowing
Margin Account --- unless some companies have "strayed" --- the margin agreement always includes the account owner agreeing stock held in that account/margin can be borrowed by parent brokerage firm
Physical possession - no borrowing
And those other type "places" --- I suggest (have not read the agreements) that unless the agreement (account agreement or similar) says THEY can borrow - then no borrowing
very informative
and if he was over ruled - that IMO should end it --- at his level and at the level above him
i.e. it is COURT decided in our favor
Do I read your post correcttly?
lol thanks for comparing it in 2024.
I had been saying all along they nominated dumb idiot sandra for a reason.
He has consistently ruled against the Shareholders. Nothing could surprise us, now. Disappoint us, Yes—Surprise us, No.
Saying something is false or partly false without stating why you believe that with either an opinion or some facts is a waste of time. I have established over many posts why I believe part 1 and 2 to be creditable assumptions. You have not. So your post serves no actual purpose. I have no problem and would prefer you educate me so that I don’t perpetuate any falsehoods. Thanks. Dumb is one way to think of the attorneys. I prefer to think of their strategy as malicious and extremely effective if the goal is obfuscation and run out the clock. Given the exponential rise in unethical law-fare perpetuated by the industry over the last decades I see no other explanation.
i had read in the past that anyone who knowingly purchased shares after 3rd amend may not be part of any settlement as they knew going in. would ackman, berkowitz fall in that category?
but then i believe lamberth ruled ? that rights travel with shares and that logic does not apply.
what do you think? where is defense going with it?
Judge Lambert was very straight about it had to be 8-0 verdict ! Why? did he already know that the FHFA would appeal asking for this very thing and for him to deny the FHFA this motion and for it to hold up on appeal !!! The 8-0 makes it very clear to him which way he can decide this case.
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