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I don’t think the timing is right to monetize the remainder of the royalty. They don’t have enough in NOLs to offset the tax
I don’t think they should fund Covid unless there is some new data showing why they would change course
>> would it be a good move for them to fund the Covid phase 3 trials themself?
Hope not. Not after they committed couple times to only proceed with a partner.
That would tell everyone nobody actually wants its covid drug but themselves.
Monday. The best news we can hope for:
- partnership on either Covid or RSV
- seeking strategy alternatives including sale of the company
- clarity on Covid regulatory pathway
- sold the remaining royalties for around 200mm
- share buyback
By the way, New 13G filed on this name.
The market jumped so much this morning that even ENTA is up. Will wonders never cease!
Good time to get in...added this morning for $9.10
There are investors buying obviously
Just not as many as the irrational sellers
There is lot of value here.
Thanks DC. Agreed. Although DD and others continue to hype- let the truth be seen.
Irrational, except that the next big lead is "non-virology." Without providing any additional information and given the lag in new information on current programs there is nothing irrational about investors not purchasing - so the price goes down.
Dripping down to 60 percent of net cash level
Irrational just irrational
Estimates based on that price (made by dewophile) means about $8 billion in Paxlovid sales in 2024. That should be a positive for ENTA and its negotiations into getting a partner for EDP-235.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=173052487
Pfizer to more than double price of its COVID antiviral once drug moves to commercial market
https://www.financialjuice.com/News/7707571/-Pfizer-to-more-than-double-price-of-its-COVID-antiviral-once-drug-moves-to-commercial-market.aspx
What would impress me. European, Canadian, Central and South American governments telling their citizens that if they test positive for RSV, then they must receive treatment with EDP-938 because the burden on the health care system due to RSV is too great. That would impress me, and there is a precedent for it. Touche, Touche, Touche!
DeVincenzo and Wilkinson published together with respect to the viral challenge model so not a huge surprise that he is a panelist. Fergie has served as an advisor/consultant with Enanta for some time so not really additive in terms of broadly recognized support. Maybe, maybe new data will be released, but really, a last minute announcement for this event, come on man!
That's what Jay said! That's what she said too!
Dew, I recall a robust pipeline at Enanta BEFORE Covid. What happened to those programs? Seems like there were 3 or 4…
I've never paid attention to job openings for pharma so no informed opinion here
On the one hand lack of hiring (and indeed cutting costs per some posts) suggests no imminent cash coming in via partnership, but it could suggest interest via a buyout
enta is not exactly cash starved so at a minimum it suggests management realizes that the value if the clinical programs don't pan out is in the cash and remaining royalty, which even accounting for 2-3 quarters of burn is well above present prices
It seems like ENTA is due for some insider buying activity, but since there has been a lull in this activity it makes me think that there is real partnership activity.
"for partnership" Jake, you should have put "for partnership" in quotes.
What DD and other fail to recognize is repeated years of failures in the clinic with HBV and NASH programs. Investors have apparently lost all trust. The attempt to market these dead programs as for partnership is a complete joke!
PFE should just buy ENTA out, remove the patent risk, gain potential better drug for covid and potentially expand their RSV lead
Mouton,
I know it was from a retrospective study not from a trial. It is the best metric we have right now. The death rate was 2.4%-3.4% in the two untreated groups.
As Dew pointed out, EDP-235 would have to show non-inferiority. PFE clearly thinks newer and better drugs than Paxlovid are needed.
You're citing results from a retrospective observational study based on data that's a year or more old. Not exactly out of date, but we are two boosters beyond that and lots more infections as well. And different strains. So who knows that the current death rate is.
In any event, if you believe the Jama study, what trial is Enanta going to run? 235 v. Paxlovid in high risk 65 and over? In that population, per the article:
Is it normal for a pharm to have zero opening position? I got that they are in waiting mode for their programs but many companies would still list opening positions just to build up resume database for future positions
I think RBCs point is with vaccine, less harmful covid variant and natural immunity, hospitalization rate is lower than before, thus it’s harder than before to show stats significance on the same endpoint. (Reduce hospitalization rate)
So for 235, the regulatory pathway isn’t clear for them.
That’s probably one of the reason 235 get discounted by the market even it seems to be superior drug
Hope ENTA can work out the details with FDA and update the market soon
PFE expects Paxlovid 2023 sales to be around 8b, So I would think 325 is viable and worth more than zero. But the concern seems to be its regulatory pathway?
From RBC: "the U.S. regulatory path currently emphasizes demonstration of outcomes benefits (hospitalization, mortality, etc.) and this would be difficult to show in the current environment, barring a major mutation."
ENTA soared on expectations for the COVID program, but lately investors have (unduly, IMO) downgraded everything related to COVID as though the virus will just disappear.
Meanwhile, ENTA’s RSV program has taken longer than originally anticipated to develop, due to a low incidence of RSV infections during the pandemic, which has slowed patient enrollment in ENTA’s RSV trials.
See #msg-172945060 for related info on valuation.
Trying to understand this stock that I had a position in in 2020. At the time, it had a very promising pipeline.
This was $74 in Nov 21, and now it sits below $10. Can someone please express their opinion on what went wrong? It can’t be just a depression in biotech.
Thanks
Not to my knowledge.
Are any clinical programs being discontinued, to your knowledge? You didn't reply to my post in #msg-172923766.
Make sense, they are mainly in waiting mode, pending patent lawsuit result and potential partnership deal
Not sure how can Enta trade this low with so much option values plus cash
My post did not consider the posted positions, only those let go from existing roles. A total of 21 across almost all areas, mostly science roles , a few G&A.
Lots of speculation. I did notice that Jay did not participate in the last chat, but instead allowed his study to take it solo. I accept that as a natural progression of responsibilities and I recall seeing it previously with Ada shortly before she left.
I do not have enough information on this to know what is accurate. For the time being I trust that JK2016 is correct or that he made a mistake and his trusted source was the job postings on the Enanta site being removed. Could be that they were filled. I was concerned about the stated jump to a non virology initiative, but I cannot see hyping it and then abandoning it especially as the study did mention it in the most recent chat. Observing.
while a buyout could happen at any time, I feel like the for sale sign will be up next year if RSV trial(s) fail* and no progress w the covid PI. At that point the company would be wise to shut things down, and the value is the cash + royalty stream + the lawsuit as a wildcard. In this scenario you want to maximize the cash on hand, and I think the value would be at least 18 dollars a share if this worst case comes to pass. The chairman of the board is Bruce carter and this is basically what he did with ZGEN when their recombinant thrombin inhibitor was struggling
JMO
* This assumes they get readouts for the phase 2 RSV trials. I think they will I have heard of several RSV cases now in the NYC area and one infant I know hospitalized already and it is just the beginning of traditional RSV season
DD - I also know several people who got the RSV vaccine all got the GSK FWIW
Just a guess on my part but I think the headcount reduction may not be from layoffs but from the elimination of open positions. Enanta had around 20 open positions on the careers section of their website that were recently removed. If you consider approved positions that are not yet filled to be headcount, then cutting these openings could be construed as a 15% reduction in the workforce.
Where are the layoffs coming from? ENTA does not have a lot of corporate bloat.
If your info is accurate, I presume that the early-stage research in undisclosed non-viral disease (see slide #5 at https://ir.enanta.com/static-files/0b9a9564-339c-4501-8c98-eab636846bf4 ) will get the axe.
I don’t consider VERU's drug a competitor; VERU's phase-3 trial is restricted to hospitalized patients with ARDS, which is not the market ENTA is seeking to address:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/veru-reaches-agreement-fda-phase-123000795.html
Is there anyone who knows about sabizabulin of Veru well enough? They restart their phase 3 again on Q4.23. Which looks so potent as far as I've seen.
Their mechanism of act is different so it could be whole different market, though.
I wonder if it could be ENTA's potential threat.
A reliable source.
Me too! I would like to know where u find it out, if you do not mind, sir.
The poster in question may be an ENTA employee or family member of an employee.
That might save 3.5M per year. I try to have confidence in Enanta's hiring process and not believe that they would hire any less than the best. Let's see what happens, perhaps the poster made a mistake.
“Is this typical of pre-acquisition activities?”
My thinking is more inline with cutting costs to extend their cash while they continue to execute on the business plan. I don’t envision a buyout. JMHO
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