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Posted by: apac70 Date: Saturday, May 01, 2010 4:02:22 PM
In reply to: BACKNDAGAME who wrote msg# 22995 Post # of 22997
There is some wild stuff out there.
I was going to do a little DD this weekend but anything I do now would look minute to what you guys have already on the board. Seeing how this is developing I am getting excited just like everybody else in this stock so I thought I would do a comparison in layman terms of what I see for the future of the HMIT TRAIN illustrated below compared to other hot stock trains. So for any possible investors stopping by to check us out can get a fell on where this is headed. ENJOY>>>
1. Here is the ZVTK train, you know the ionic bulb. Old Steam train taking a while to get going breaks down a lot.
Gonzilee...this must the only board you aren't banned from. Too bad nobody on this board gives a shit what you say. Nor will we click that reply to your post. Good luck with your bashing. I'll laugh all the way to the bank with my piles of money from GOIG and HMIT.
well, that hmit "huge salivating news" cannot make 3.4 BILLION shares outstanding go away. the company has no cash, so any project they announce will require capital. this shell never had any revenues from mining, and even if they sold 2 billion of the 3.4 billion in the past 2 months, to raise capital, it would not have equated to much money at all for "movie or tv' projects, and i would bet they will need a heckuva lot more cash, especially for any "reality" tv show. so, the bottom line, would be dilution, dilution, and more dilution, unless they pr they have developed the first money tree seed that they can plant on the grounds of their company to grow and bear money on from it's leaves or branches. lmao anybody who thinks a cashless company with billions of shares out is worth millions and millions of dollars is being delusional. all imho. good luck
personally, i would expect a significant rise in the authorized share structure to pay for any idea they decide to undertake, since they have publically promised "no reverse split" also imho
gonzilee:"not one person can explain the actual value behind a mining company turned media company."
Oh I'm sure the HUGE SALIVATING NEWS to come will take care of all that.
Posted by: Make In A Livin Date: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:17:42 AM
In reply to: BRS0903 who wrote msg# 45524 Post # of 45528
Hey Everyone;
I just read this on another board regarding MM's. I thought it was extremely informative and valuable in our support of GOIG going forward. Enjoy!
this was posted on Monk's Den
Market Makers:
Posted by: Bill Panetta
In reply to: None Date:4/22/2007 1:36:26 PM
Post #of 2315
(UPDATED) Penny Stock Market Makers Who Are the Players in this Game
By Bill Panetta
Let Me Start off by saying this: Level 2 Does not have the same effect like it did 5 years ago except for OTCBB Stocks & Pink Sheet Stocks. What Do I mean By This? NASDAQ is all chart plays, level 2 has no meaning as it once did for NASDAQ Stocks, and too many games can be played now on level 2. Simply put if you don't know how to read the charts you will get killed on NASDAQ Stocks.
With all the changes on Level 2 Traders have been forced to learn TA, You could had a made a killing with level 2 before 2001 with out TA; I have witnesses that have proven this.
And when I make this comment I am talking about regular trading hours, after hour's different story. Bottom Line Level 2 does not have the same effect on NASDAQ Stocks that it did 5 years ago because of the New Super Soes Trading System being implemented in 2001 and along with 1 cent spreads, it was the worst thing NASDAQ ever did for traders IMO. The Traders from 5 yrs ago know what I am talking about.
Let's talk about the 2 exchanges where Level 2 has not changed and having level 2 is really important to your trading. I am talking about The OTCBB & PINKSHEET Markets.
If you learn how to read into Level 2 on the OTCBB & PINK SHEETS it will really enhance your trading. Let's break down the Market Markets.
There are 4 categories of Market Makers let's start by talking about the first one.
Retail Market Makers:
These are the market makers from very popular brokerage firms. They handle a lot of the order flow for small retail investors.
NITE: NITE
UBSS: Schwab (Not known as one of the good guys)
AUTO is being used by Ameritrade and Penson Brokers as an alternative to SBSH. if SBSH does not want the order flow he sends it to AUTO.
SBSH: Citibank
ETRD: ETRADE
BOFA: Bank of the American
Second Category: This is the list that you really have to master because these are the MARKET MAKERS that can kill a stock in a hurry when there are the sitting on right side of the box on Level 2.
HDSN: killed CKYS single-handedly
VFIN:
CGFL: new kid on the block for sub dilution
RBCM: Old CLYP. Has killed many sub penny stocks in the past to no-bid.
FANC: used to be a heavy S-8 seller. May show up once in a great while.
SSGI: aggressive on sub penny stocks
Third category: There are lot market makers in this category so I will break it down to who are the most important: These are some of the more friendlier market makers on the street.
DOMS: one of my favorites
MAXM:
VERT:
HILL:
SALI: can be a seller at times
JEFF:
FRAN: very friendly
ABLE:
QUIN: haven't seen him around much lately
VNDM:
SEAB:
MURF: getting active lately
STGI: getting active lately
VERT:
WDCO: can be a seller at times
PERT:
NIII:
BEST:
GNLN: nice to see him back again
EFGI: can be a seller at times
LAMP: LAMP the most dilutive POS ever (From 1geb)
Category 4: ECN MARKET MAKERS: Electronic Routes
these market makers are only used on OTC BB stocks. They do not work for pink sheet market.
ARCA: used a lot by promoters to sell stock
TRAC: rarely used any more taken over by EDGX
EDGX: new kid on the block
There are probably a few market makers that I left out or there will a few new market makers that show but for the most part these are the major players. Good luck hopes this helps.
Market Maker Speaks Out: Ways of a Market Maker
I was an OTC MM for about 10 years ending in the late 80's. Since then I have been strictly an investor. Since I have not been that up to date in MM rules I will only make statements that I feel fairly confident are still accurate regarding these activities. By and large most MM don't have a clue nor do they care to learn, about the fundamentals of the stocks they trade.
They just try to make orderly markets. When dealing with BB stocks it is very easy for a MM to get trapped into being short in dealing in a fast moving market. Reason being; most of the MM's in this stock are what are called "wholesalers" this means they don't have retail brokers "working" the stocks.
So they have to rely on what's known as the "call" from larger retail houses. If a "Big" retail firm like an E-trade calls up a market maker to purchase say 5,000 shares of a stock, they expect to get an "execution" from that market maker. If he turns them down, or only gives a partial then the "Big" firm will go to another MM.
If this second MM "fills the order" then that "Big" firm has a moral obligation to continue to give future "business" in that stock to that MM who performed (his life blood). This will go on until he "fails" to perform and so on.
Contrary to popular opinion the "Big" firms Do NOT neccessarily go to the "Low Offer" to fill a buy order (Or high bid for a sell). They "Go" to who they think will perform to fill the order and expect that MM to "match" the "low offer" in the case of a buy (bid in the case of a sell). Even though this MM might in fact be the "high bid" and not really want to sell any more.
As a wholesaler he must perform or he will get a reputation as a "non-performer" with the "Big" houses and will cease getting "calls" which means he will soon go out of business. I mentioned above that this activity is very significant to BB stocks. I say this because most of the trades in these BB stocks are "unsolicited" and are done through discount houses.
With the above groundwork laid, let me try to explain how market makers get short even if they like the Company; Lets say that a stock (shell) has been lying quietly at $.25 bid $.50 offered. A limit order comes into one of the MM's to Buy at $.50 for a thousand shares. Prior to this trade that MM may be "flat" (neither long or short any shares). He fills the order and is now short 1,000 shares. He may raise his bid hoping to find a seller to "flatten" out his position. But before he realizes it a wave of buyers have come in and cleared out all the $.50 offers. Now the stock is $.50 bid .75 offered. Here comes that "Big" firm he just sold the 1,000 shares to at .50 with another bid for 1000 at .75. He makes this print. Now he is short 2,000 at an average of .625. The market keeps moving and now its .75 bid 1.00 offered. Now he has to make a decision.
Just like investors, MM Hate to take a loss. So 9 times out of 10 he will now sell 2000 at 1.00 making him short 4000 but with an average .81. At this time he would love to see a seller at .75 so he can cover his short and make a few bucks.
But instead the market keeps moving up. Now it is 1.00 to 1.25 and here comes the buyer again at 1.25. He doesn't want to lose the call so now he needs to sell 4,000 at 1.25 to keep his break even point above the bid. Now he is short 8,000. Market moves up to 1.25 bid 1.50 offer here comes the buyer now he feels he must sell 8000 here because "stocks don't go up forever".
Now he is short 16,000. And so on and so on. If the stock keeps moving up, before he realizes it he could be short 50k or 100k shares (depending how big his bank is). _________________________
Finally the market closes for the day and on paper he may look all right in that his "break even" price may be around the closing price. But now he has to figure out how to entice sellers so he can cover this short. It is important to note that if this happened to one MM it has probably happened to most all of them.
Some ways MM's entice sellers; Run the stock up with a "tight spread" in a fast market, then "open" up the spread to slow down the buying interest. After it has "cooled off" for a little while lower the offer below the last trade right after a small piece trades on the offer then tighten the spread so that the sellers feel they can take a "quick profit" by "hitting the bid" on the tight spread.
Once the selling starts the MM's will walk it down quickly by only making small prints on the way down with the tight spread. Another way is by running the stock up in the morning, averaging up their short then use the above technique to walk it down in the afternoon.
Hopefully after doing this for several days, it will demoralize the buyers. The volume will dry up and the sellers will materialize thinking that the game is over.
Contrary to popular opinion, MM usually Do Not Cover in Fast moving markets either Up or Down if they are short. They Short More. They usually try to cover after the frenzy is out of the market. There are many other techniques they use but the above are the most popular.
This technique works about 9 times out of 10 particularly in a BB market. However that is because 9 out of 10 BB stocks are BS. Remember what I said above. Most MM's don't have a clue as to the value of a Company until they get trapped. If the Company has solid fundementals and a bright future. Then the stock will do very well. And the activity that caused the situation will prove to even help the future stock activity because it created an audience."
Market Maker's Operating Procedure
The savvy long-term investors never chase stocks up. For the most part that is momentum players and daytraders where most of it or what follows is dumb money. Instead the long-term investors use a couple of simple strategies in order to position themselves. One is to find a stock no one immediately sees has huge potential and accumulate. Long-term investors are not interested in trading against the public mind or the dumb money. That's where the majority of the money can be made but even more can be made if the base of a stock is held extremely strong by investors. However the second is not to doubt the research which is the underlying basis for going long and holding.
More and more investors are winning the game nowadays despite all bashers that float through the Internet that has become part of the game. Floor traders of market makers often watch CNBC, news wires and bulletin boards in order to follow the market during trading session. OTC BB market makers (MMs) don't use fundamental and technical analysis. However, what they do realize is a lot of dumb money does use this newest nitch charting or TA (Technical Analysis) to run a stock either up or down. To the MMs this is like taking candy from a baby. Simply they will paint the tape and use whatever tactic to affect the charting bands. Thus the public and dumb money they will have eating out of their hands. Effectively the MMs can show a strong stock growing weak by manipulating the close price in order to generate selling volume, delaying trading time to manipulate trading activities, or even stalling the ask without honoring orders to hold a stock price.
MMs follow a simple code of business when making a market in a stock especially an OTC BB. That is the level that stocks will seek that yields the most volume. Now this is very important because they make money on the volume buying at the bid and selling at the ask. In other words, by making the market they are buying low and selling high. Now smart money adheres to that rule, so do all the market makers. They could careless whether the stock is at $83 or at $0.23. All they care about is the action thus being able to sell stock at the offer (The high) and buy stock at the bid (The low). To increase their profitability, they make the spread as great as possible on as many shares as they can especially if the volume falls off.
When they have mostly all "buy" orders, that's not the price that's going to yield the most volume. They need both buy and sells to get the maximum action. Remember, MMs play the volume. If the volume decreases and there are mostly Buys that become a one way volume, Buy volume. So what they do is let the stock run up to a price where it runs out of steam. They fill all the buy orders there that they can and then comes the pullback one way or another naturally or induced. During the pull back they can buy tons of shares and flip them to those averaging down or trying to catch the bounce. At some price, the stock will be relatively stable and yield the most volume. Now that is the average price you will see
The average price is the point where a stock seeks a level where MMs can profit on the most volume. So during the day that is the price that MMs and momentum/day traders want to see the stock at. Why? Because they know the public and dumb money was chasing the price thing up. Most of the time, the MMs love a flurry of Market Orders which is a dead sign of an artificial run or momentum. Merely it is money in the bank for them. Most get hung in a momentum or day trade or by the tactics of Market makers, who are in the business to screw the public every chance they get and the NASD is not going to do anything about it. They are merely making the market liquid is there reasoning.
The market makers have created an added complication to the OTCBB's chaos of the already volatile intra-day price movements created by dumb money, momentum and day-traders. MMs can not relate to long-term holders in the OTC BB. That makes absolutely no sense what so ever. They feel a large percentage of trades in the OTC BB market consist of short-term or day-trades, MMs merely view the barrage of buy and sell orders as relatively neutral to the market. How they figure it is when the average dumb money buys shares in a company, the MMs feel or rather know with some certainty it is very likely that dumb money will want to sell back those shares relatively quick on the slightest drop.
Now somewhat comfortable with this logic the MMs merely short sells into the buying and attempts to take the stock down in an effort to "shake out" the weak. Since it is tough to know for sure whether a move is the beginning of a trend, or a routine shake out, this type of deception works quite well for the MMs. What the long-termers do to a stock is surprise the MMs because instead of falling the shorting has no effect and the price goes up. Now that puts the MM at selling low through shorting and thus having to buy high in order to cover.
Boy, when this happens, the MMs are not very happy campers. The investors and traders are supposed to be doing that no them. Now it becomes time to pull out every trick and tactic in the book in order to attempt to get a Bear Raid at every dollar mark or percent from where the stock started. Could be a penny in smaller priced securities? What MMs do is give you a chance to make a small amount of money for your momentum and day trading style by shorting it at these levels and trying to get a bear raid each time. Each failure is compounding the MMs short position so they let it go to the next level. Now come more deliberate tactics MMs use to coerce Bear Raid or panic selling.
Once the MM is caught short and the strength of the buy is overpowering the MM
will want to cover his short position. So the MMs call up one of his friendly
MMs and says some like "the weather is sure rough today." The MM along with
the other "friendly MM initiates a down tick about the same time. Now this can
also be done with a certain amount of shares such as an infamous 100 shares
flag. This down tick gives the illusion of weakness designed to hopefully
begin the bear raid of selling. The fickle, fearful, day trader, momentum and
short term begin to sell out allowing the MM to cover his short position at
lower prices. They will move it down quickly to get it to a price of least
financial damage. Problem they have is long-term investors in the OTC BB. They
start accumulating and buying comes flying in when they take it too far thus
the MMs took it to the point of volume again and not only investors the other
MMs step in the make money on the spread.
Alas the poor MM does not get to cover. Now comes various tactics like
stalling, boxing, or even locking the Bid and Ask for a while.
Of course, MMs aggressively deny any sort of collusion designed to fix quotes
or spreads, but a recent SEC investigation tells another story.
MMs have a vast resource of tactics and it would take probably more than my
lifetime to figure them all out.
So how do investors somehow manage to overcome the obvious deception in OTCBB
arena? One answer is indirection trading style by going long which the MMs do
not expect. In the war between investors and public companies on the OTC BB vs
the MMs, if the MMs have all the advantages due to position or other factors,
direct confrontation such as momentum or day trading hitting the stock is a
definite death sentence.
However, an indirect approach tends to weaken the path of least resistance
before slowly overcoming it. The most effective way is long-term investors
slowly accumulating and holding thus drawing the MMs out of its defenses
making them as naked as their short position. This is war so this slow
accumulation and holding for the long term easily achieves the desired effect
to force MMs to cover and knock off the tactics or bury themselves deeper.
The MMs when caught will especially use every trick and tactic in the book to
get a Bear Raid thus playing on the individual fear of most people. The MMs
feel they have information and position advantages over the investors as long
as the holding of the stock is in weak hands or short term holders. Since they
are OTC BB MMs who believe all OTCBB companies are not worth investing and
management is ineffective regardless what is happening within the company.
Furthermore, MMs know they are in the position to impose a great deal of
influence in OTC BB stocks trading when it suits their needs.
This inherent power of position enables the MMs to move the markets at any
time up or down. As a result, the only way to draw them out of their favorable
position is going long. Now this does not mean just any company but to
effectively nail the MMs, Longs must find the great company on the floor and
accumulate long before the MM tactics and games begin.
Flattered even more, thanks for all the attention. I am loving it. If your so worried about the O/S and all the other doubts in your head then go find one you feel comfortable with. I don't hang out with losers and I am not going to start now. You have Dawg Den on your list to check or you have my name marked in your favorites, don't tell me you don't otherwise you would not have been back to the board because there was not a direct response. I hope that you can move on, your not going to change my mind in the near future.
Thanks, you made my day! I am a threat to you and I LOVE IT!
bingo...most ignore him..i have..eom
Ahhh! Keeping a kid from his candy, too funny. That's why he is not on HMIT today. Trying to get there through the back doors.
nah, he is sending pm's to many, threatning with SEC action, he is a disturbed individual, he has been banned on the HMIT board, not sure of his agenda, he has a troubled soul..eom
I thought I would have seen that post on the HMIT board. Doesn't make sense to me to type all that and place it on a board that was opened a few days ago and only has maybe 20 visitors to date. Must have wanted a quick buck and got NADA.
I think it was a shot across my bow, he seems to have singled me out and I am on the "hit" list. AGAIN, game ON!
beautiful post on HMIT, that individual is just a small pimple on the arse, will go away soon, the pathetic thing is.. since no one responds to him, he just talks to himself lmao..eom...
I am quite flattered to get a recent from what appears to be a paid hit man to keep HMIT stock down. He obviously has an agenda, who in their right mind would spend that kind of time and research just for the heck of it or to save someone from themselves. Yeah right! Nobody!
The way I see it, I am the enemy to the shorts in this stock because I have a positive outlook and I am long in the stock because the outlook it bright. Reality TV is the cheapest form of entertainment media and the most popular. The "actors" are not paid actors, they are employees doing their daily jobs, they may or may not be paid but they sure aren't bringing in Brad Pitt bucks. The set is --- we'll reality ---, there is no set it's a real live place where people work.
Yes, it will take money to produce up front, my question to the poster -- What business endeavor doesn't cost money? I guess if you’re sealing envelopes in your home, well you got me on that one.
Yes, production money will come from investors and I am happy to put my position in. Revenue will flood from advertising, I guess the poster stopped short of that --- shorts are blind or forgetful of revenues. Everything they see is a worthless, non-income producing failure, and when they realize they are about to get caught with their pants down they work overtime under the mask of good will.
Why would someone who is so against the stock, saying he is trying to save the masses continue to bash a stock to protect people, isn't that an catch 22 since he is basically hurting the ones that are already invested in the company --- never could really understand that one.
Reality is, from what I understand, the shorts in this stock are going to have to cover before the cusip change for the new company, this poster in my opinion is being paid the keep the price of the stock as low as possible or to send it on the decline. I am truly flattered that my post is being responded to because I am a threat to the shorts with my positive outlook. Notice I did not respond the poster directly or by name, to do so may result into a buck or two in his pocket. Just another way to keep us from confronting their views. So to those who do not see it my way or take a position opposite me ----GAME ON!!!! I am watching "deadliest catch" as I type.
i agree, HMIT will have a huge week..imho,..eom
More on Low Budget Films:
Here is one of the Industries attitudes towards the success of "Low Budget Films". This one seemed pretty successful to me for a Micro Budget film. Then there was the film 4th kind that was a low budget production as well.
Paramount's Supernatural Plan for Low-Budget Films:
http://io9.com/5438043/paramounts-supernatural-plan-for-low+budget-films
Of course you are always going to have the BIG Corporate Productions with massive budgets to compete against and such... Hey I Like Avatar... but my wife, Daughters and I liked Paranormal too (we have it on Blue Ray) and just do a little research on the cost versus the return on the studios investment of that film.
I guess what I’m trying to say here is that in my opinion from observations... you don’t have the have a big budgeted to make a successful film or TV show.
Budgets per Episode of a standard "docu-reality" style cable show per those that actually work in that business. Please read the entire string and you will see some productions cost a lot... and some very little. Astronaut and Space Flight TYPE Reality TV I would guess would be expensive… Survivor and Dirtiest Job TYPE Reality TV probably not so expense
http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/8/905363
my only question is why nobody will answer the question about what it will cost the company in equity financing to undertake this new idea/line of business that hmit is in? not one person anywhere will answer this question. yet, there are already 3.4 billion shares outstanding before any of this takes place. for every $1mil needed, at an average price of .001, 1 BILLION shares would need to be issued and/or sold. that is just to raise enough to fund a single episode according to published costs for production of a reality show today. mining would be a very expensive reality show to produce, because of all the liability that it would involve imo. lots and lots of it. you would also have to find a mining company willing to allow you to go on location with them under the eye of a camera. considering the recent chain of events in mines across the world, i highly doubt they could find an american mining company that would be willing to allow their workers to be videotaped for a reality show on the job. lots to think about and yet it sounds so glamerous - a reality tv show! wow! so easy to pump a company on the concept. in my opinion, none of it makes any sense or is feasible.
better consider where financing for such a reality show is coming from and where they are going to get it and how many more billions in os would be needed to produce even a couple of episodes of such a show. it all sounds dreamy but the reality of financing and dilution is staring you right in the face.
here's some perspective about cost of producing reality tv:
'Reporting on the rising costs of producing reality TV shows, The Wall Street Journal reveals the price per episode of a couple series: UPN’s Top Model costs “about $800,000 a show,” while The Apprentice runs “just below $2 million an episode.” Compared to dramas, these prices are pretty low; despite its price tag, Trump’s show “is one of the most profitable programs on TV.” Still, reality isn’t staying cheap; “the industry is reverting to its profligate habits,” according to the Journal. Among the rising costs: “agents are ratcheting up prices for their clients,” “demand is so strong for experienced reality-show crews that salaries for casting coordinators and editors skilled at culling hundreds of hours of footage have soared 125 percent,” and sets are costing more as producers work to one-up each other and previous seasons of their shows. '
Cost to make reality tv shows
You will find that the cost to make reality TV shows is actually more than some of the regular dramas we see on the television today. First you would think that it would be less because they are not creating an actual studio set, but when you look at the behind the scenes information regarding the making of reality TV shows you will find the costs can be close to 100 million for some of the reality TV shows.
One of the main reasons it will cost quite a bit for reality TV shows is the actual need to travel to the site with the cameras, other equipment, people to produce the show, and the editing. You may realize that reality TV shows are not always as real as we think. In most cases there are fake parts to the reality TV shows whether the words have been spliced together for the effect the producers want or whether the scripting has been created for the viewers. You will find that editing the film can take several hours of watching videos for the right words to be said in order to splice them in to the show. This makes it more expensive than just shooting with a script for a regular drama.
The cost to make reality TV shows is astounding especially when you consider the millions of dollars poured into the actual creation of the show. Take Dancing with the Stars for an example. To create this show often the busy lives of the stars are followed with cameras and crew. A jet flew Wayne Newton to his next performance from Las Vegas to the show and back again. Studios need to be used for the practice sessions, bands are contracted to appear, and a theater is used for the actual on air dancing of the stars. You will find that the expenditures for creating such a reality TV show is definitely not minimal as there are more concession made for the stars.
The cost to make reality TV shows is not just having one person with a camera record something ridiculous for viewers. It is a mass production just like any other television show. Regular television shows have sets they work off of and some film they take of the city they are portraying. In these studios they are working with the sets and actors on the sets rather than heading out to different places all the time.
http://www.videojug.com/interview/reality-shows-from-pitch-to-pilot
I will be playing HMIT this week, as well as GOIG, and ZVTK. I have a few others I am researching.
HMIT will most likely have a huge week, see my thoughts below on this next opportunity.
This is what I see for the future for HMIT. I'll try to keep it short but I see a lot. Here goes!
All of this is my opinion and my views of the future here at HMIT for now,a new ticker symbol is on the way. I got in today 4/16 after doing extensive research on the past and present (new company) ,Verde Media Group.
HMIT comes from a mining background, due to current market situations and many other factors it has become increasingly difficult to profit from mining, for the past 5 years we have heard of several mining accidents, explosions and part of that profitability is hampered by safety concerns and created major national public awareness to the mining industry, tragically we went through a WV mining accident a week and a half ago. This makes it more and more difficult to profit, especially in junior mining which is strapped by safety regulations. When this came across my radar, I was very skeptical as most will be, mining companies have a history in pinks in my experience to be very risky. Keep reading below------
ENTER Verde Media Group into this equation seemed strange to me at first but after long thought and DD I see this as a really ground breaking opportunity in the making. As I type I am watching “ American Loggers”, one of my all time favorites is “Deadliest Catch”, a little further down the list is “Dirty Jobs” and the list goes on and on with reality job tv. I am sure you can name a few yourself.
Verde Media Group has started production on a new TV series, Cowboy Mining. I have not seen any details yet but it will most likely follow the model of all the successful TV shows like the ones I mentioned above. REAL LIFE Mining in America. I can’t wait to see the pilot. I think this stock and company has a huge opportunity ahead. Once the name, cusip, and all the PR involved with that passes which will bring the pps up, the fun will really start when you see Cowboy Mining on TV.
Again, this is my vision, form your own……hopefully I am on bullseye. Can’t wait to see.
Join me here if your comfortable with the investment, I fell it has a long way to go. I've been worng before, but I got a good feeling on this one.
JMO
APAC
good post from GOIG board regarding trading pennies
Posted by: luckydude777 Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010 6:45:07 PM
In reply to: Bopper155 who wrote msg# 44717 Post # of 44944
Bopper: Wonderful post!
I'll pass along a little advice to you that may help you down the road.
If you're relatively new to pennystocks ... what time you have to devote to it, PAPER TRADE/INVEST them (all the while you're holding GOIG, of course).
Paper trade just a few pennystocks at a time that you THINK might have potential. (Once you watch a given pennystock long enough, you'll often begin to get a PULSE for what the CEO/Company AND probably more importantly, what OTHER investors are going to do. CEO's tend to be predictable in pennystocks, if you watch them long enough. What other investors decide to do about the stock becomes more difficult to know, because there are groups and group-EES working together to frontload these cheap pennies operating 24-7).
As you begin to get a sensible "FEEL" for a good pennystock, you can buy and sell them by programing your computer, which takes a great deal of EMOTION out of it all. Inexperienced penny players almost ALWAYS loose more money than they make trading BECAUSE they spend too much time reading the stock message boards and taking posts at "Face Value", and NOT enough time learning to discern how the vultures are trying to scam the gullible virgins.
Case in point. How MANY longs in GOIG didn't feel like crap by Friday evening, if they took the time to read all the negative posts on this board the last few days? Bashers KNOW their bashing will get to some people. Hopefully a LOT of people. It's EASY to bash a stock when you KNOW the Market Makers are NOT ready to let a stock run again, which Market Makers this last week after the selloff were prone to do: NOT let it run YET for awhile again like they they did up to $.06.
Sophisticated bashers have been hired to keep a lid on GOIG right now, because institutional players are starting to come on board, and Market Makers are loading their trucks with cheap shares as well, knowing full well what YOU stated about Zerox and Kodak.
There are just too many positives to talk oneself out of NOT looking at GOIG as another potential Zerox or Kodak as this stage of GOIG's metamorphis, but the bashers would like to change your thinking on that possibility. Again, WHY? Because WHO in their right mind wants to pay $.06 a share for GOIG when they can get it for $.02, or LOWER, if enough momentum could swing that way?
But back to trading pennies verses buy and holding. GOIG is one rare pennystock in pennyland. You and I may NEVER stumble across another pennystock like GOIG. Most pennies are 99% dilution entities, and little else. They exist to sell shares. Their business plan sounds GREAT in a PR ... but so doesn't the business plans of thousands and thousands of other people trying to get a private business off the ground these days, but end up not succeeding.
In pennyland, as a CEO, you have a GUARANTEED SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS if you have a good enough line of bullchit to attract enough trading sharpies who know a good thing when they see it. In pennyland here, you have a LOT of sharpies who know how to take a worthless stock and make it look like it's going to turn to GOLD, and the scamming CEO's of these companies are the sharpest of the lot. Yeah - "gold" to THEM once they've unloaded their millions of shares bought/issued dirt cheap/free, and dumped on young, inexperienced buyers on every run ... not having a clue that successful BullChit in print (as in PR's) is the ONLY business model you truly have to have to be a FINANCIAL SUCCESS in pinkyland.
By watching these pennystocks over the years, I know perfectly how to play the same game as most CEO's play in pennyland. I would have no problem doing the Nevada paperwork to be legal to sell pinksheet shares. I would have no problem filing the form to obtain a Market Maker to handle my stock. I would have no problem spending hours and hours writing BOGUS PR's that sound like I'm the next CEO to oversee Google.
Yet my conscience wouldn't let me do it, because I believe I'll stand before God some day and give an account for my actions, but the point IS: If you want to learn how to make money in pennystocks, you have to begin to THINK like a lying pennystock CEO, a conniving - greedy Market Maker, and are you ready for THIS? A roadkill scumbag BASHER!
When you begin to feel the GREEDY PULSE of these THREE vulture personalities ... you'll begin to make more money in pennies than you loose, whether you play them part time, full time, or sometime in between.
When you're old and either greyer or bald/er ... you'll have time to TRADE pennies, if that is what you want to do. Learn the game CHEAPLY while you're bringing home a paycheck, and it will pay much bigger dividends down the road when emotions don't RULE your decisions.
The KEY to successful investing/trading is to NEVER let your emotions rule you. Let WISDOM rule your thinking. It takes YEARS for some traders - investors - to learn this discipline of discovering HOW their emotions promped their decisions and it cost them money and brought on a LOT of emotional pain.
The longer you READ these stock message boards, the wiser you will become in WHOSE post/s you read, and WHOSE posts you believe, and WHOSE posts you don't either read and/or trust/believe.
It's kind of like politicians. You NEVER believe what they say. You try to figure out how they are lying to you, and THEN take things from there.
If what they SAY ends up coming to be TRUE ... they'll go to sleep at night just as STUNNED as YOU will be!
sorry if you don't like my post. i simply think that hmit is another p & d with no real substance, other than a name change and cusip number change.
Go cry me a river. If you keep harassing me, I will alert the moderators, in fact I'm doing it now!
"set up just like goig"? what do you mean? goig ran on substance. a product/technology they have been working on for a long time. hmit is a recent mining coming, now turned media company calling themselves verde media. lol they didn't make it in mining, so they do a 180 and gonna try their hand in the "media industry"? lmao if that is not laughable, i don't know what is. that stock is being pumped with no real substance or explained market value. it's hypefest at this point. go to the hmit board and nobody talks about the company, what they do, why they are rising other than a cusip and name change, as if that adds market value to a company. lmao ridiculous. other than that, not one person can explain the actual value behind a mining company turned media company. typical pinksheet crap in my opinion. caveat emptor.
In my honest opinion it is set up just like GOIG and trades just like it when GOIG was on the rise. I am so excited about HMIT and many others are also.
Just thought I would shoot you a quick post and let you know that I am man enough to eat Crow!! I think I may join you at HMIT. Good luck.
Apac,
I will let you know if something new comes onto my plate but HMIT is a definite winner imho. Grabbing shares at .0009 and .001 is still a bargain if you can get them. If you pm me, I will tell you more info.
You really have that much faith in it? I'll keep it on watch. Let's see how your prediction goes, I hope you do well --really--.
What other plays do you see huge potential in that are bottomed out now? If you don't mind sharing. TIA
Little too scary for you because you didn't grab the bottom at .0002-.0004 like me. Well don't be upset, you can still grab it at .001 and still make 10,000% over the next couple of months, or you can play your little lottery plays and maybe make 100-200% which is laughable to me in comparison to HMIT.
Cuban,
Skimmed the book and it's even more frightening. Let me get this correct, the owners ran a mine that could not produce profits, drained the stock holders dry and woke up one day and said "lets make media coverage company and we'll change our name too". Little to scarry for me, it's like a fish telling his buddies he is going to fin out of the water and climb that tree over there and eat a bird pearched on the branch. I just don't see it long term, it would have to be one amazing fish!!!
Good luck on the momo though.
read the book by the cover and tried writting your own... tisk tisk. you should always research before posting something that discredits not only a company but posters who do know what they are investing into.
Was this one of those shell company deals? I have not researchd the stock at all, just by the name I drew conclusions.
I did not say that you knew him, I said you both have an uncanny ability to be in the right place at the right time. Nothing wrong with that.
I don't even know who this guy hell JR is. Don't even think of linking me to anybody else. There are thousands of people in the same stock and for what it's worth they are stocks on the rise.
HMIT is no longer a mining company, that's where you are misled. HMIT is now Verde Media Group who has filed for a new ticker/CUSIP to reflect the new company and announced the beginning of a pilot TV series highlighting mining. Media coverage, not mining.
I was showing the relation between both posters calling PR dates and times three times in a row, it was a continuation of a previous discussion on another board. You just cought the tail end. Personally I believe all mining companies have a huge propensity to be pump and dump thus I stay away, but occasionally you can make a few bucks there. Glty.
you were making the relation of two posters being in on the same stock, with an assumption that HMIT is a pump and dump because of it? they look like two very wise traders to me if they are in GOIG and HMIT that has come up from 0003 to a test of 001 early today. not sure what picture you are trying to paint with your post... maybe explain it a little better.
Not sure my post said what you think it said. At any rate good luck to you.
GOIG is a pump and dump from trips to well over a penny... lol. that's hilarious. making the same relationg between GOIG and HMIT... how bout they are smart investors clued in early on two big movers.
From the GOIG board.
Posted by: BRS0903 Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:57:39 AM
In reply to: None Post # of 42616
HUGE NEWS TO BE RELEASED BY MONDAY. AND I MEAN HUGE! TITANTIC HUGE! SOMETHING YOU ALL WILL BE SALIVATING OVER.
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4/15/2010 2:03:02 PM
Because I know. Just see my previous GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
4/15/2010 1:51:51 PM
Ray, if you check with everyone in the GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
4/15/2010 12:20:14 PM
HUGE NEWS TO BE RELEASED BY MONDAY. GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
4/15/2010 11:57:39 AM
ETMM and NITE at .24 on the bid, Viking Systems Inc (VKNG)
4/15/2010 11:46:28 AM
It appears the following is true at the moment: Viking Systems Inc (VKNG)
4/15/2010 11:22:09 AM
How many shares? Hidalgo Mining (HMIT)
4/13/2010 4:07:30 PM
What makes you think or say that? DAYTRADER'S FORUM
4/9/2010 3:01:57 PM
Don''t listen to the village idiots. He Hidalgo Mining (HMIT)
4/9/2010 9:28:33 AM
Already confirmed no R/S, no dilution. Hidalgo Mining (HMIT)
4/9/2010 9:27:38 AM
I really hope she breaks through the .015 GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
4/8/2010 4:18:41 AM
Wow, tree huggers are gonna make us money! Electric Car Company, Inc. (ELCR)
4/5/2010 3:03:34 PM
GOIG gonna kick arse! GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
4/5/2010 9:25:22 AM
I would give MONA a call and ask GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
4/4/2010 8:59:53 PM
Sweet News of course GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
4/4/2010 7:50:40 PM
Goig news out GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
4/4/2010 12:49:57 PM
I think it will come from GOIP directly. GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
4/1/2010 2:16:58 PM
This will be a nice press release. GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
4/1/2010 1:28:37 PM
J1720, I was right about all the news GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
4/1/2010 1:13:12 PM
I''m sure you will be more then happy GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
4/1/2010 1:09:28 PM
GOIG - HUGE NEWS ON MONDAY!!!! GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
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Wow edurk, Clean Coal Technologies, Inc. (CCTC)
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I expect tomorrow to be a good day. VIPR Industries, Inc. (VIPR)
4/1/2010 4:14:34 AM
There''s gold in tharn hillz!!!! Lmao VIPR Industries, Inc. (VIPR)
4/1/2010 2:41:19 AM
Financials look way better then a year ago VIPR Industries, Inc. (VIPR)
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I smell pennyland VIPR Industries, Inc. (VIPR)
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Wow Millz! Your quick on that VIPR VIPR Industries, Inc. (VIPR)
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Go to the kinsleystreet.com chat room tomorrow morning Hidalgo Mining (HMIT)
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Hello Mr. Bruce, this is going to explode Hidalgo Mining (HMIT)
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HMIT a Number and guts play? No Hidalgo Mining (HMIT)
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Is the run over? Momentum Players
3/31/2010 10:48:00 AM
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Hello ladies and gentlemen of the Ihub board. The Question and Answer Board (MATT)
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3/30/2010 2:00:40 PM
Yes, a big PR would be beneficial for GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
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Thanks tradingguru! GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
3/26/2010 3:37:04 PM
Thanks for understanding. I hold over 6 GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
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Thanks sharky! GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
3/26/2010 3:18:46 PM
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Is this verified? I have a ton GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
3/26/2010 3:15:15 PM
I have tons of shares, you can understand GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
3/26/2010 3:13:56 PM
I''m asking a question from a post that GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
3/26/2010 3:10:34 PM
I''m not trying to give credence to anybody. GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
3/26/2010 3:07:49 PM
WOW did I miss something? If this is GoIP Global, Inc. (GOIG)
3/26/2010 3:02:09 PM
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3/25/2010 3:34:14 PM
Basically what you guys are telling me is Eco Global Corporation (ECOG)
That is why I started this board for us, as a group we can "stalk" traders that always seem to be in the right place at the right time. Jrozer is one of them, I am going to go through his posts but I bet he posts a day or 2 before big PR when he gets wind of it, he will probably do this for a few weeks and then sign on as a new alias. Keep your eyes peeled and post any out of the ordinary things here and we will see how it goes.
ZVTK back to .0052 just now.
I am still watching to see if he is a plant. He sold and went to VKNG yesterday, VKNG is currently up 106%. I think he knew about the PR for that one as well, we should follow him a few days to see what is happening. I wish I could get the inside info like he does. He is calling for a HUGE PR on Monday as well.
I think he knew he was going to make more on VKNG today. For now he was right. Let's try to follow him and the other poster who was posting PR news BRS something. Pull any posts pre-announcing posts and past here.
This same person also said they sold their position in the stock yesterday. I am not so sure this wasn't a plant. I think a lot of them are probably plants. Launch was successful, and I am in for the long haul. I want to see some commercials, and ads.
Welcome to the board, a place where we can chat about plays of the day/week/month. It is open to anyone who would like to post or follow but most will have been invited word of mouth because in some way or another there is a connection Ie. friend of a friend. Please use alias names only if you are known by others on the board, use private messages to announce your true identity if your want that known. Invite your friends and family and individual investors you meet.
Please use this for mass DD (due diligence), cutting and pasting posts from other board that are of interest. I would like this to be a board that as a group can seek and follow and invest/trade in trending stocks. As a group we will all be better traders and hopefully narrow down to a few stocks to play a week.
Let's see how this goes and happy investing.
Remember:
Always risk only what you can do without, never invest in something because of what I post or what anyone else posts, you are responsible for your decision and you will have to live with the consequences.
I will most likely be selling a large portion of my position in GOIG hopefully on the next run, hope to make it to .04 but may get out before then. Without news in the next few days this is likely to drop, just my opinion but I am willing to take some profits on that bet, if I am right and stay in-- there will be no profits, if I am wrong and sell I will still have profits. Currently we are at .0256 11:12am.
Will be watching ZVTK and adding to my position there on dips. maybe in the high to mid .0040"s
For the most part the GOIG board stayed positive, and did not see any -- what I would call paid bashers. Never engage a basher by replying to his post, many are paid per response. I did't see them there which means there is no reason to bash because momentum has set in and they will not be able to stop it. I think I am changing my mind on the selling tomorrow for now, if we end with a huge green day tomorrow I'd be willing to bet they will start bashing Friday and a bash fest through the weekend.
This guy has inside info on this stock. He has nailed the last few PR's and called the last GoiG PR and the time at which it came out 7AM on the money. I believe he may work for the PR firm or inside but he has been right so far, unless he is a plant to head fake us in the future this is good guy to have on your favorite board to watch.
Posted by: jrozer Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:32:46 PM
In reply to: A deleted message Post # of 41257
If you guys only knew how big the PR tommorrow will be. Oh boy!! If you sold out I feel sorry for you!!
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