Clean Energy (CLNE)

[l_winthorpe]

So there is no room for improvement in Lithium refining technology?

[pack10]

Not at all familiar with the process. Years back I invested in a Lithium mine in Nevada. Turned out they couldn't generate enough cash to even get started. One of those penny stock deals. Went bust.

[l_winthorpe]

So do you think that possible improvements in lithium refining technology will be able to lower the cost?

[pack10]

I'm certainly no expert but from what I hear their is Lithium all over but not in concentration so mining is extremely expensive. Large volumes need to be mined for a small amounts?

[l_winthorpe]

I thought Lithium was one of the most common elements? Is it rare, or just hard to extract?

[Three2001]

Earnings tomorrow after market, right. Hopefully something good coming. A little bounce today, maybe more going into it tomorrow.

Come $CLNE

[pack10]

Some additional information on California's gas tax

California Truckers to Pay 20¢ More a Gallon for Diesel Starting Nov. 1
Daniel Acker/Bloomberg News
Beginning Nov. 1, drivers across California can expect to pay an extra 12 cents per gallon for gasoline at the pump, and an extra 20 cents per gallon for diesel.

The new gas tax, approved by the legislature and signed by the governor in April, is expected to raise roughly $5.4 billion annually over the next decade. About half of the money will go to the state to improve highways, bridges and culverts. The other half will go to cities, counties and transit agencies for local street and road repairs, and improving public transit options.

RELATED: Diesel climbs 2.2¢ to $2.819 a gallon, highest price in more than two years

But, there’s also some money in the bill for congestion relief, bicycle and pedestrian infrastructure and transportation research, workforce training and planning efforts.

At the A & A Gas and Mart station in downtown Oakland on Oct, 30, most drivers were unaware of the increase, expressing surprise and sticker shock at the 12-cent increase.

“Wow, really?” said Kai Yu, who drives throughout the East Bay and South Bay for his job installing sprinkler systems. He fills up the tank in his work van usually three times each week, he says.

“What can you do though?” he said. “I guess I’ll just pay it like everyone else.”

But, he says, he’s willing to pay if it will improve the roads.

“Especially in Oakland, the roads are really bad,” he added.

RELATED: California GOP rallies around measure to repeal new state gas tax

The state hasn’t raised the gas tax since 1994. Over time, inflation, coupled with increasing fuel efficiency of cars, has contributed to a massive backlog of deferred maintenance for both state and local infrastructure, said Julie Pierce, a Clayton City Council member. Pierce also serves on the Contra Costa Transportation Authority, which oversees transportation planning in the county, and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, a Bay Area-wide transportation planning agency.

“The wear and tear on the roads is increasing, while the money to repair and maintain them is decreasing,” Pierce said. “(The tax) is really going to help all of us in local government do the maintenance of streets and roads that we haven’t been able to get the money for.”

Already, Caltrans has accelerated several dozen projects statewide, totaling just under $1 billion in existing or planned work, in anticipation of receiving the gas tax funds. But the measure has its detractors.

Already two ballot initiatives have been filed to repeal the tax. Assemblyman Travis Allen, (R-Huntington Beach), led the charge in June to launch a repeal effort. And former San Diego City Council member Carl DeMaio filed a second ballot initiative in September. Both still need to gather the requisite signatures to be placed on the ballot.

In an interview, Allen blasted Gov. Jerry Brown for passing the tax without voter approval. The state should be using existing revenue for the road repair and maintenance, rather than asking taxpayers to bail them out, he said.

RELATED: With California’s new gas tax approved, Caltrans is on a hiring spree as construction work ramps up

“This tax hits the poorest and hardworking Californians the most,” Allen said. “The repeal very simply puts the power back where it belongs — in the hands of the people of California and actually gives them the power to decide if they want the tax.”

A 2015 UC Berkeley survey of more than 1,000 voters bolsters Allen’s argument. Overall, the survey found 63% of voters opposed any new gas tax and 74% opposed higher vehicle registration fees. As part of the bill passed by the legislature in April, car owners will start paying new vehicle registration fees beginning Jan. 1, with fees increasing by $50 for cars valued under $25,000, or $175 for the highest-end luxury vehicles. Cars valued under $5,000 will pay $25 more. Electric vehicles will see an additional $100 fee starting in 2020.

A number of counties have had success in recent years passing their own taxes to support transportation improvements, including Alameda, Contra Costa, Santa Clara and San Francisco counties. Other local measures, such as the BART’s $3.5 billion bond measure or Oakland’s $600 million bond initiative, both of which were approved by voters last year, suggest commuters are tired of crumbling infrastructure, said Roger Dickenson, the executive director of Transportation California, an advocacy organization consisting of highway contractors, businesses, associations, major trade labor organizations and other groups invested in the transportation industry.

“As people understand this money is coming right back into their communities to reduce their costs and improve and maintain transportation systems, they believe the investment is worth it,” he said. “Nobody is arguing our transportation systems are not in dire need of attention.”

[Jack_Bolander]

A WEIGHTY QUESTION:

Does anyone here know how much a truck's Diesel Tank with 500 miles of fuel, plus all of the necessary anti-pollution stuff weighs?

Does anyone here know how much a truck's LNG Tank with 500 miles of fuel, plus any add-ons weighs?

Apparently this is the most important factor in trucking, so it would be good/important to know these values.

Thank you.

[krays]

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[Jack_Bolander]

THE TRUTH: If I was in the trucking industry for more than 20 years, and FUEL was 45% of my overhead, then I would certainly know what my fuel costs were.

So when someone who claims this background says diesel "is almost $54.00 per barrel", I must question their veracity.


Note: $54.00/bbl = $1.285 / gallon.

[Jack_Bolander]

Pack the other day you said diesel is "almost $54.00 per barrel."

Please make up your mind.

[pack10]

Latest on fuel prices

Fuel
Diesel Climbs 2.2¢ to $2.819 a Gallon, Highest Price in More Than Two Years
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The U.S. average retail price of diesel increased 2.2 cents to $2.819 a gallon — the highest price in more than two years — as oil prices rallied on speculation production cuts will continue into 2018 following a meeting of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries in November.

[pack10]

I can tell all of you right now don't even think an electric truck is going to become main stream even in 20 years. Why? There is not enough Lithium in the World to even make enough cars go electric. Look at the latest news from Tesla. They just announced a 40% reduction in their New model 3 production. One of the main reasons Lithium. Becoming way to expensive and Elon knows the cost will make this vehicle unmarketable.

diesel is higher again this week while the supply of NatGas is remaining very high. and the price has went down as of late.

[l_winthorpe]

Well I was thinking about that, and there was talk of building an H2 infrastructure awhile ago but that seemed to fizzle out. I was wondering why this time around would be different

[krays]

Add EV charging and or H2 dispensers to their stations IF (and that’s a big if) either of those options ever comes to dominate trucking??

I believe they are already looking at H2 compatibility.

[l_winthorpe]

But how do you think they can compete with electric heavy vehicles?

[surfer44]

Gotta love these stocks that don't show up on screens. Big capital investment, zero earnings. A dog with fleas. lol

[krays]

UH-OHHH CNG/LNG exempted!!

California SB1 goes into effect tomorrow.


Specifically, this bill:
1) Increases a number of taxes and fees for transportation purposes:

a) Increases the excise tax on gasoline by $0.12 per gallon, starting November 1, 2017.

b) Increases the excise tax on diesel fuel by $0.20 per gallon, starting November 1, 2017.

c) Increases the sales tax on diesel fuels by an additional 4% increment, starting November 1, 2017.


Prohibits the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV), starting in 2020, from registering or renewing the registration of specified medium and heavy duty diesel trucks unless the truck owner can demonstrate full compliance with applicable emission requirements.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billAnalysisClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB1

[surfer44]

Capex is going down. Most of the big investment already made. Primed for profit.

[pack10]

It'll happen for sure. Under the radar right at this moment. When it catches hold, it will rocket.

[Three2001]

Good news with surely more to come. Why is the stock not reacting a lot higher?

$CLNE

[Hypocrates]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/clean-energy-expands-fueling-agreements-100000570.html
Clean Energy Fuels Corp. announced that it has signed multiple fueling agreements with United States Postal Service contract-carriers in Florida, New York, Oklahoma, and Texas, increasing the total number of USPS carriers fueling with Clean Energy now to 15.

Let me guess....this is TERRIBLE news!!!!

[ORBAPU]

Not about cars. Trucks and heavy equipment.

[Jack_Bolander]

I think Warren Buffett and BH ENERGY are HUGE competitors.

BHE has spent BILLIONS on electric infrastructure to fuel EV's. If WB can see the future, then he knows that ZEV's are the future and Berkshire is perfectly positioned to gain.

BHE also sells a 1,000 times more diesel than CNG, so Flying J competes as a diesel retailer as well.

[pack10]

Warren is very good at being able to see or predict the future. The economy is improving Flying J will benefit big time from this. I don't look at it like its competition. More just a good opportunity.

Pickens and Buffett may just team up.

[l_winthorpe]

Who thinks that natural gas vehicles are just another hype? It seems that to get natural gas individual cars would require an IMMENSE amount of infrastructure investment. No?

[surfer44]

pack10,

What do you think about Buffett buying a stake in Pilot Flying J truck stops? Will he be competing with CLNE? Would Boone Pickens even care?

[Hypocrates]

That's what I'm talking about. It's a sign of how bad things have become that clean energy is now promoting their competition on their Facebook page....

[Jack_Bolander]

Thanks Pack...Where can I find some of your $54.00/barrel Diesel?

I need to find a station that is selling cheap diesel.

[pack10]

This link was attached to your link,lol

http://www.ngvglobal.com/blog/new-natural-gas-engine-lineup-from-cummins-westport-0501

[Jack_Bolander]

Pack...Do you really think Diesel is $54.00/barrel ?????

That's ONLY $1.285 / GALLON !!!

WAY CHEAPER THAN NATURAL GAS !!

[Hypocrates]

Off the CLNE Facebook page:

http://www.ngvglobal.com/blog/macks-now-available-cwi-l9n-natural-gas-engine-1027

[Jack_Bolander]

We can use your Nat Gas to power your back-up generators, which don't need CLNE.

Let's use Natural Gas to displace coal for power generation..
And let's use the infrastructure we already have in place to handle vehicle fuels.

Less capital intensive.. and better for all.

[Jack_Bolander]

Maybe instead of Natural Gas, cars and trucks will use batteries, hybrids , Fuel Cells and Hydrogen.

Natural Gas will continue to be a small niche, but the sales of ZEV's are crushing NGV'S.

There are already 13 times more H-2 trains than there are Nat gas trains, and Nat gas has had a 4 year head start.

[pack10]

Some very interesting news happening in the energy space that almost no one is paying attention to.

The price of diesel is continuing its climb higher. Just last week I posted diesel was selling 30.6% higher, at aprox $52.25, than a year ago. Today diesel is now almost $54.00 a barrel.

The higher diesel goes the more attractive and cost effective NatGas becomes.

I also came across a quote from ELON Musk. Its about all the lithium supply this world has. Not enough according to ELON.

In March of 2016, Elon Musk (Tesla’s CEO) stated, “In order to produce half a million cars a year… we would basically need to absorb the entire world’s lithium- ion production.”

I know all of you are capable of drawing your own conclusions but if there isn't enough to supply the car industry then how in the world will there be enough to power heavy duty equipment such as a class 8 highway tractor.

[Jack_Bolander]

UNDER $2.30...AGAIN ??

So Soon???

Does anyone know why? Krays? Pack? Kettle? 32001???

C'mon guys, we are getting killed with CLNE...does anyone know why?

[Trumpcard]

Thank you...we’ve been in CLNE for over 3 yrs. Just hardly ever post.

[Jack_Bolander]

Thanks Pack..This might be why the CLNE stock went up!

A question or two..

Are these natural gas fired generators?

Aren't natural gas fired generators connected to the gas grid?

So these new CMI products don't use CLNE gas.

Thanks for the news.

[pack10]

If you follow CMI you'll see they are developing more NatGas engine. This is the latest.

Cummins Releases New Models in the Gas Spark-Ignited Generator Set Range
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Cummins, Inc. (NYSE: CMI) announced the new C125N6 and C150N6 models in the QSL8.9G Series. The Cummins commercial generator set is a fully integrated power generation system providing optimum performance, reliability, and versatility for stationary standby power applications.

The rugged, gas powered 4-cycle Cummins QSJ8.9G spark-ignited engine delivers reliable power. The electronic air/fuel ratio control provides optimum engine performance and fast response to load changes. There are several other items that should be noted from this product. The Alternator has a starting capability, low reactance 2/3 pitch winding, low waveform distortion with non-linear loads, and fault clearing short-circuit capability. The control system is PowerCommand™ 2.3 as standard equipment and provides total generator set system integration. The cooling system provides reliable operation at up to 50 degrees Celsius ambient temperature. The enclosures are aesthetically appealing and incorporate a special design that delivers a very quiet generator.

[Trumpcard]

Trump JR. hanging out / meeting with T Boone Pickens. That could really put CLNE on the MAGA platform.

[Jack_Bolander]

UNDER $2.30 !!!!!

FREE FALL !!!

Just pennies from a NEW ALL TIME LOW !!!!

Why?

[Jack_Bolander]

TRUTH:

Jack_Bolander Friday, 10/06/17 12:08:34 PM
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WHO SELLS MORE TRUCKS? VOLVO OR GM ?

UH, OH !!!

https://www.trucks.com/2017/10/03/general-motors-hydrogen-fuel-cell-electric-truck/

[Jack_Bolander]

WRONG AGAIN PACK !

Jack_Bolander Wednesday, 10/11/17 03:25:27 PM
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Here is another interesting article:

UH OH... Look at what the USPS is TESTING !

https://www.trucks.com/2017/10/09/spy-shots-postal-service-workhorse-electric-mail-truck/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Gasoline hybrid

[Jack_Bolander]

NOT TRUE ! Caught you again !

Jack_Bolander Friday, 10/13/17 10:04:46 AM
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Here's another nice article!!!

CUMMINS IS GOING ELECTRIC... Cummins doesn't care if one state has a problem with their grid... 49 other states don't.

UH, OH...CUMMINS IS GOING ZEV !!!

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cummins-cmi-power-gillig-apos-134401577.html

[pack10]

You keep talking about the truth. Yet you keep posting articles about cars. How does that apply? Useful information, not at all. What Kray just posted about 118 cement mixers is useful information.

[pack10]

Another good article on NatGas powered vehicles. You sure don't see anything close to 118 vehicles going with fuel cells and or batteries.

The company commissioned 118 new “Near-Zero Emission” concrete mixer trucks to be in operation by the end of 2017. Fifty-two of the new trucks are currently serving the market in the greater Los Angeles area. The announcement was made at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, which was built nearly 100 years ago with the help of Catalina Pacific.

[Jack_Bolander]

Correction: If you go to my "Boards Posted On" you can see all of the stocks I have commentd on and even see when I sold and bought my positions... rather than take a sample... here is the entire list:

FCEL Shorted from $20 to $3.00
PLUG Shorted from $5 to $2.00
WPRT Shorted from $30 to $2.00
CLNE Shorted from $15 to $2.50
TELL Shorted from $17 to $10.00
REGI Shorted from $12 to $9.00
LNG Shorted From $44 to $4.00
LNG Long From $8 to $44.00
MPET Shorted from $3.00 to $1.00
FSYS Shorted from $8 to $2.00
BPZ Shorted from $29 to $2.00
BRMR No position

Just the FACTS !

[krays]

Your track record doesn’t elicit much confidence in your predictions. looking at your favorite targets performance.......

CLNE YTD -17.83%
WPRT YTD +201.6%
PLUG YTD +121.7%
FCEL YTD +24.57

Think I may start following you for leads.

[krays]

Copy and paste. Good luck DJ.

https://ngtnews.com/large-cng-powered-concrete-mixer-fleet-rolls-southern-california

[Jack_Bolander]

For the same reasons why Kray and others cut and paste articles related to alt fuels like CLNE.

Along with protecting the truth, I feel the need to provide some useful information as well.