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Cool.
I'm thinking by the end of May something should be official.
Just my gut though, nothing to justify.
Cant be that long. He just got 2/3's out of the way. It was just FEB 28th since the last one and was 2 months from that one with the DE so a month? Not 100% sure. They said near future so that means in the future they plan on going public again. And CKDN is not that CA SOS co that they said it was. CKDN from CA WAS LONG DEFUNCT. Thats b/c it merged to the DE SOS a long time ago.
You see right here:
merged out
http://kepler.ss.ca.gov/corpdata/ShowAllList?QueryCorpNumber=C0925630
then it was forfeited later on:
http://kepler.ss.ca.gov/corpdata/ShowAllList?QueryCorpNumber=C1582012
CKDN will show up red on my account for quite some time I suppose now that the doc is skerred to push this through.
Have to admit...dumped most of my CKDN today for CIRT. Best decision I've made in a long time. Still have a little here and will radar if it ever wakes up.
Guess not. Ouch.
How long do you estimate best case/worst case for this to play out?
Since the filings were done in Jan. shouldn't this come out within the next few weeks?
.015x.02 No volume so far...this may lay dormant for awhile.
Watching closely. Just got to sit this out for a little while while we find more info. But looks like we have found our base. And we can move up from here.
Wonder what the MM's will do today....
A little tidbit of info I found...
This at least shows some proof that the "Defunct Circadian of Calif" DID become a corp. listed in Delaware.
I am on the trail of former CKDN.PK CEO Arthur A. Bertolero.
I found this on EDGAR online:
http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/DisplayFilingInfo.aspx?Type=HTML&text=%2526lt%253bNEAR%252f4%2526gt%253b(%22ARTHUR+A.%22%2c%22BERTOLERO%22)&FilingID=1199437&ppu=%2fPeopleFilingResults.aspx%3fPersonID%3d2132073
Use your browser search function and type in "circadian" and look
who's name shows up...Mr Bertolero's.
In my mind this proves that the Calif. Circadian Did become a DE corp....
and all of this paperwork is for a DE Circadian, which the Doc
admitted in his PR that they were tied to.
Don't know if this really helps but I thought I would post it.
TYVM, I like this phrase...
Thus my rule of thumb has been, form T big guys, no form T M&M daily share swap book settles. I may be wrong, and IMO it would be hard to track down what exchange & what group still uses From T as a type of trade.
Here's what lowtrade had to say about t-trades
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Lets tackle the form T question first.
These type of trade letters are used on some exchanges and not on others. Some exchanges have different meanings.
I'm not sure if there is one place to read about what letter fits what meaning or what exchnage uses what letter. So you may have to research each and compair.
As example years ago the form t was just used for institutional trade made after hours so their large buys or sells wouldn't effect the normal flow of the market.
Since the major increase in ETCs hedge funds have become large block traders also and the electronic platform speed has basically change brokers fee structures, lowering the cost for each trade.
Thus, large block orders can be broken into smaller orders, allowing stealt with out order protection by floor traders and the like.
It has been my understanding trades reported after hours with a form T still indicates a single private client protected trade. And brokers or floor traders will accumulate during the day (personal inventory) to close the client AH.
What exchanges use this or weather institutions & hedgefunds or just big guy private investors, still do this, I'm not sure. But you still see form T on the NAZ OTC market.
My guess has been institutions & hedgefunds don't trade OTC much. And before form T meant those traders.
Thus my rule of thumb has been, form T big guys, no form T M&M daily share swap book settles. I may be wrong, and IMO it would be hard to track down what exchange & what group still uses From T as a type of trade.
I've only seen it on the OTC, but haven't really checked anywhere else. Becasue I'm not concerned with market manipulation on larger exchanges.
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http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?Message_id=21586106&txt2find=form
After hours trade
After 40+ minutes without trading, why would someone make the highest volume transaction of the day (67,000 shares)at ask? I know its timestamped but it just seems weird.
Time & Sales
Price Size Exch Time
t 0.015 67000 OTO 16:03:11
0.015 10000 OTO 15:21:58
0.014 10000 OTO 15:11:19
0.015 2100 OTO 14:59:22
0.014 8800 OTO 14:59:22
0.014 25000 OTO 14:59:06
0.016 5700 OTO 14:58:28
0.016 10000 OTO 14:58:26
0.0165 10000 OTO 14:58:26
0.016 1050 OTO 14:27:03
0.018 10500 OTO 14:12:27
0.016 29300 OTO 14:06:38
0.018 10000 OTO 13:51:16
0.019 10000 OTO 12:40:16
0.015 25000 OTO 12:18:45
0.015 5000 OTO 12:08:59
0.015 20000 OTO 12:08:54
0.015 8500 OTO 12:08:40
0.015 17000 OTO 12:08:40
0.015 5000 OTO 12:08:40
0.015 10000 OTO 12:06:53
0.015 11500 OTO 11:04:52
0.02 5000 OTO 10:25:28
0.02 10000 OTO 10:19:24
0.02 35000 OTO 10:15:21
0.0198 20000 OTO 10:15:21
0.02 5000 OTO 10:05:51
0.015 1155 OTO 09:51:50
0.015 16000 OTO 09:51:47
0.015 34000 OTO 09:49:13
he was being sarcastic
hmm Can anyone tie CKDN to CKDXF? This would explain the foreign entity as well as keep the PR true (since the company public would be Circadian Tech.)
If so, this article from last week, posted by someone I've marked, deals specifically with Australian/US securities developments(yes, I realized these activities were well before last week's meeting).
SEC Chairman Cox, Prime Minister Rudd Meet Amid U.S.-Australia Mutual Recognition Talks
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=28079410
The FDA still lists CKDN as an acceptable US industry.
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/usindustries2007/ac.htm
There is probably a legal reason why the new corporation was listed as foreign due to the identical names but I'm no lawyer.
I with you..I have made my bed...This will either give a great payday or I lost on the bet..I like the risk reward factor here. I just looked up the old company I had in 1999, PRCI that was used as a shell and changed to NADA..Went form .008 to nearly 10 I cashed out at $5...That was the first real cash I made playing this market..It was fun...Like to see that again..
Doubt they would comment. However, it is not trading under that symbol because there has been no reverse merger yet IMO. Legally correct, however subsurface there is more than meets the eye.
Hell, that's what shells are all about and I would say there is more potential here than with most.
I'd like to ask the folks at Circadian that same question. Be interesting to hear their response.
Ask yourself why Martin Moore-Ede would want to form a new corporation called Circadian, Inc and be associated with "long defunct Californian corporation which used the name Circadian, Inc." in which he was also a principal.
"It has come to our attention that one of our entities, Circadian, Inc., a privately owned, recently incorporated Delaware corporation, has been misrepresented on several investment websites as being traded under the symbol CKDN.PK. As a privately owned company, Circadian, Inc. is not being traded and is not in anyway associated with a long defunct Californian corporation which used the name Circadian, Inc."
Well, legally he would be correct at this time. There may be no legal association between the two RIGHT NOW.
However, what a coup it would be to RM the new corporation into the shell for virtually nothing.
I am not selling. Either we win big or go down with the ship. It is worth the risk to see an extremely likely 50 bagger for me in my opinion.
All I know is there is potential in this shell and even at .10 it will have a market cap of only 500K. Many shells with no potential trade at higher levels then that.
Could the good doctor be starting up another company and using the old Circadian shell?
I don't know. Th Circadian PR seemed pretty certain about not being connected to the shell. Wouldn't it be illegal for them all the sudden to go public with the shell after that PR. I hope I'm wrong..
No dude, I've been at meetings last night and this morning. Just got in.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you explain? What do you mean by "he didn't sign this"?
They just gave me 25000 more at .016..
This is all because yesterday buyers took it up so fast the MM had no shares to sell so they sold them short because with the buying at the bid they had no choice but to fill the orders.
Today, you have them buying the shares back on a huge drop. The amount of the drop bodes well for the future because it will take them relatively few shares to recoup their money and THEN we start up.
It's coming, just wait. There are way too many good things uncovered here to justify this pps.
Nah, it will all be good in the end. Just bought 10500 more which is all the available funds I had.
Spread is starting to even out. Looking better. A few little ask hits will bring this back above .02.
Glad they did cause the rest of my order to buy @ .015 just got filled.
No matter what happens the shell is still cheap compared to other shells and should trade higher since it seems someone has plans for the shell.
Looks good...although someone just dumped a bunch at .015
Try going to the NV SOS so you can see the shares and par value. try looking up Michael Anthony, Eugene Kopp, and/or all those other guys. Look at their corps, they have public and private. The public ones all have A/S's that are in the millions and/or billions, all of their non trading entities have 1500, 2500, 25,000. There is no need to have a cert for a private company to show millions on it. What do they just like the extra zeros?lol
https://esos.state.nv.us/SOSServices/AnonymousAccess/CorpSearch/CorpSearch.aspx
then go to name or just do a regular look up.
Just look at all the MA SOS's. They are all private but all have 200k common etc. the MAIN CKDN DE SOS has 5 mil common and 1 mil preferred. Thats our CKDN!
I still got the complete 3 page filing coming so I will see if there is anything different on that than the page they show on the MA SOS.
Sweet guys, good news. Just spoke to the DE SOS. I asked about the A/S again. She said that the A/S is:
5 million Authorized common(This is what I first found out. I was wondering why there was 6 million that everyone else was posting from the print out one)
Guess what?
The other million is preferred! So 5 million common 1 million Preferred!
What private company is going to put a 5 million common and 1 million preferreed.LOL
Told ya I was right on this. Every private corp Ive ever looked up have like 100 shares or 1500 or 100k or something. And I dont even remember seeing preferred on those. CKDN's preferred is probably going to some "private" investors.
I also asked why on my print out I ordered last night does it say Incorp Delaware Stock Co?
She stated that thats the kind of corp the wanted to be. They wanted it to be a stock corp!
Im sorry to say but people this am just got gipped out of there shares.
I think weak hands are out but there is no one getting in. We need volume but that will come with news.
Most low sales/buys were at .02 few at .015 this morning..
CIRCADIAN INC - Nasdaq National Market: CKDN
Time & Sales most recent next page
Rec. Time Action Price Volume
10:25:28 AM Trade 0.02 5000
10:19:24 AM Trade 0.02 10000
10:15:22 AM Trade 0.02 35000
10:15:20 AM Trade 0.0198 20000
10:05:50 AM Trade 0.02 5000
9:51:50 AM Trade 0.015 1155
9:51:46 AM Trade 0.015 16000
9:49:12 AM Trade 0.015 34000
9:48:14 AM Trade 0.013 3455
9:48:02 AM Trade 0.013 10000
9:47:16 AM Trade 0.013 16545
9:47:16 AM Trade 0.015 16545
9:45:00 AM Trade 0.015 10000
9:44:04 AM Trade 0.015 30000
9:40:54 AM Trade 0.02 20000
9:40:04 AM Trade 0.02 5000
9:39:04 AM Trade 0.015 5000
9:38:14 AM Trade 0.015 10000
9:38:14 AM Trade 0.015 9845
9:38:14 AM Trade 0.0151 20000
9:37:34 AM Trade 0.015 20150
9:37:06 AM Trade 0.015 25000
9:36:58 AM Trade 0.015 10000
9:35:58 AM Trade 0.02 5000
9:35:58 AM Trade 0.02 13000
9:35:58 AM Trade 0.028 20000
9:35:10 AM Trade 0.02 7000
9:33:46 AM Trade 0.04 500
9:32:00 AM Trade 0.02 5000
9:31:54 AM Trade 0.02 7000
9:31:54 AM Trade 0.02 3000
9:31:22 AM Trade 0.03 10000
9:31:22 AM Trade 0.031 10000
9:31:20 AM Trade 0.02 10000
9:30:22 AM Trade 0.02 1000
9:30:22 AM Trade 0.04 3000
9:30:22 AM Trade 0.04 10000
9:30:22 AM Trade 0.02 2000
9:30:22 AM Trade 0.04 2000
9:30:22 AM Trade 0.02 7000
9:30:22 AM Trade 0.02 8000
9:30:22 AM Trade 0.04 8000
9:30:22 AM Trade 0.02 3000
9:30:08 AM Trade 0.02 2000
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Sounds good...
Yeah me too.lol But Id rather make 10,000% after waiting a month than make 100% from buying and selling 20 diff stocks in a month.lol
But I got some stuff planned. Just give me a little bit and it will come to blossom.
Hopefully short term rather than long. I hate to have money tied up in shell plays.
Ok looks like the shake is well over obviously and starting to bounce back and we can put that behind us. Bookmarks went down 4 so Im assuming those peoples sold out and moved on. Got to have tough skin in this shell business.
To me for a shell the bid held nicely even though we were down so much %, rem yesterday the bid was only like .035 and the ask got painted practically.
This was up from .001. And the .01+ held good.imo That tells me that many here know whats going on with this shell and understand the circumstances.
MM's saw all those orders and took off the .031, the two .03's after that and scooped up those shares. Im sure there were many who didnt chase yesterday that are now in with cheap shares. They just gobbled up 25% of the float just like that. They are set to make a bundle on this short or long term.
I'd like to see DOMS back to .51
Bid building back up, 2's getting hit on the ask
Nice! Got a good buy that just went through. Might turn around now. Could be a nice bounce. Many dumped with market sells.
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