China Stocks

[Shinisaurus]

jrainspe Remember the average China RTO was down 60% in 2011. The majority of investors underperform indices; therefore you can see the mass destruction (or creation for shorts) of wealth that took place for RTO investors. I don’t necessarily fault retail guys for investing in these names. They invested based on SEC filings, and very few people guessed how much fraud was going on.

Were you long RTO’s last year?

[Stream205]

GRVY & EGT: Asian gaming plays near breakout.

Take your pick.

Both about to pop, imo.



EGT casino pics:
http://www.elixirgaming.com/CasinoPailin_2011-12.html

[researcher59]

Short interest has been in steady decline for several months in the China Microcaps. Here are the latest figures for the 100 stocks in my index, ChinaMicro100 -

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=71544552

[jrainspe]

Dear rru2s,

In the same time period you claim to have lost a 1/4 Million, I managed to increase my investment portfolio from $350K to over $600K. Hmmm, perhaps it's not the shorts and Reverse Chinese Mergers, but your investment decisions that have caused you so much grief.

However, be that as it may, I firmly agree with you about the current debacle in Washington. If history tells us anything, it tells us that "belt tightening" during a crisis is NOT the answer. Herbert Hoover probably single handedly increased the severity and length of the great depression by his efforts at saving his way to growth and expansion.

[Stream205]

Wheres Rodney King when you need him?


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[Timhu1972]

overconfidence? I know there are fraud, i avoided the crap you were pumping.

[Timhu1972]

hahahaha, are you on drugs - read what you wrote

I didnt "call anyone names". I find it pathetic that you still see "these trash companies" as a quality investment.

[Michael Anderson]

And I choose to stay completely clear of the space, long or short. Too much unpredictability and just the fact that many will get by whether they are frauds or not.

[Michael Anderson]

I didnt call anyone names. I find it pathetic that you still see these trash companies as a quality investment. Sure, I can see the reasoning of investing a very small amount of one's portfolio for risk, but nothing above a few percent. All you appear to be doing is attacking everyone without providing substance to your statements and calling people out without providing substance. Believe me, I would love for me to be wrong about the space, but nothing has shown to be the case, including you.

[malogan]

"The same thing will happen to you with your continued positivity on the space. "


You see, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not positive on the space. I'm not negative on the space. I'm *objective* on the space. You seemed to have limited your line of thinking into everything (or everyone) as either "postive" or "negative": this is what got you in trouble in the first place.

You need to not be positive or negative, but rather objective on the companies you look at. Trust me, I see a lot of fraud (more so, just crappy companies), but I also see good companies as a result of *actual* due diligence.

[Timhu1972]

understood. so you are bitter and calling people names.

Hey, if that makes you feel better feel free, but I will continue to point out what you says is ameuturish at best and a bit pathetic that you will call names and jump to conclusions do to your own inabilities.

[Michael Anderson]

No, not bitter at all. It was actually a very humbling experience and Im sure your over confidence in this space will get the best of you too. Good luck.

[Michael Anderson]

It works for me because Im not invested in this junk

[Timhu1972]

Are you a bit bitter as you got greedy and chased frauds - they laughed at you all the way to the bank. Now manipulators are using you lemmings to make money trading at your expense without you knowing it.

[Timhu1972]

once again, generalizing because you aren't very good at doing verification. Yet you believe everything fraud manipulators like Geoinvesting and others that manipulate stocks say. I hope this lemming approach works for you.

You got burned on the way up, burned on the way down because you listen to people without question what they say - can i let you invest my money for me, thats worse than the scottrade commericals.

[Michael Anderson]

The same thing will happen to you with your continued positivity on the space. Sure, many run ups can be had in these companies and many wont be proven to be fraud just due to the fact that its impossible to uncover everyone, but the whole space is tainted and the management in these companies are completely FOS

[Michael Anderson]

doubtful. You are the one betting on these frauds.

[malogan]

Yes, it's much easier to label the entire market of companies as fraud, rather than admit that you got caught up in hype and might've let you guard down or didn't do as much work as you should've.

Much easier for the ego...

[Timhu1972]

I will save this post for a year for now and you will look like a lemming twice. Then will you please just put your money in mutual funds?

[Michael Anderson]

You think it had to with the fact that the stock was going up? That is definitely wrong. Many people looked deeply into these companies and still got screwed. You may be lucky to find 10% of these companies to be legit, but thats even hopeful. And as stated there is no reason for them to stay here. The only ones in my opinion to prove mostly legit will the ones that get off the US exchange as they will never get just treatment here.

[Timhu1972]

now that post was nonsensical. I am not denying there were frauds - those frauds burned people that are not capable or were unwilling to do real due diligence. now crappy little manipulators or continuing to try to keep their manipulation business alive by making stuff up.

I am don't argue that the comapnies you pumped were frauds and you should not be investing in the space. You clearly proved that you don't know how to do real work.

Others that avoided the clear frauds seem to be doing pretty good and most are these people should be investing in the space.

If you want to run around spewing garbage that all companies are frauds then short them and see what happens.

I love short sellers as somone has to take the otherside.

I do also like it when i point out frauds and will be doing so shortly and this one is based in PA and offices in other areas of north america.

[malogan]

Just jumping in here, Tim actually makes a decent amount of sense. 80% of the posters here were all touting stocks 18 months ago like the CCMEs of the world, etc, without much reason other than it was "Chinese" and the stock price kept going up.

Now the pendulum has swung the other way for still no other reason than the word "chinese" and the downward direction of the stock prices.

Instead, some here (the 20% or less) have decided to not follow the crowd and the innuendo, but rather actually do the work to see which companies are good investments and which to stay away from. These investors didn't follow the "pump" crowd, and are not following the "all china is fraud" crowd either.

[Michael Anderson]

What are you talking about? You are speaking non-sensically. Your comment doesnt make much sense. The proof is in all of the frauds, lies, and BS that all of these companies have spewed, the people related to these transactions and to do with the companies, etc, etc, etc. I would love to see your proof showing these companies to be legitimate other than what they are telling you.

[Timhu1972]

Funny - you fail so assume everyone fails? Thats a good way to go about life..

Instead maybe some avoided the fraud you all pumped on here and stayed in companies they could verify and feel comfortable with. I guess thats hard to imagine as that would mean that all investors are not created equally. But who knows, maybe you and the rest are really just that good.

[Michael Anderson]

Most of the naysayers now are the naysayers because they went through all of the bs. Many of us ignored the negatives, thought we knew it all, even those that did do on the ground dd got screwed. Those that did and arent naysayers are most likely going to continue to get the bad end of it if they continue to look at these as actual investments.

The point that most of these companies are satisfied with staying on the US exchange says a lot.

[Timhu1972]

Maybe for some, unless you have people that live in china and does real work.

Its much easier to lie about having people on the ground and scream fire to manipulation stocks.

Funny most of the bashers and skeptics were the idiots that ran around pump frauds that everyone new about in china. Lemmings should stick to mutual funds or committing fraud - but fraud gets you thrown in jail in us, canada or china.

[Michael Anderson]

Im sure Geo is not too concerned. There is not much point in defending these China companies as they are the one's that have screwed over shareholders. Sure, there may be some legit out there, but even the most in depth on the ground research still may make it very difficult to determine the realm of legitimacy. Its just easier to avoid them and play them as trades and definitely not investments.

[Timhu1972]

No, i am actually having problems understanding what you are saying. Relax on what?

I feel strongly i have very solid evidence based on my research over past few weeks that fraud has been committed and would like people to realize the truth.

I don't think Geo wants me to disclose connections i have made.

[Bob Stocks]

Man, relax. You understand?

Bob

[Timhu1972]

Don't quite understand what you are referring to.

Its ok to say bad things about a company, but when you prove that Geoinvesting is the fraud that is rumored to be investigated by the authorities for market manipulation its not ok?

I have with out a doubt proven that Geoinvesting was fraudulently committing market manipulation. I have 100% evidence to this.

[Bob Stocks]

Give it a rest man!!

[Timhu1972]

Why is Mr Wu's phone disconnected now Joey Natural......

I call number to see what story he gives me today and the number no longer works.

Sounds like the guy was trying to broker a mine without people knowing and got busted.

Glad thats your source for due diligence.

[Timhu1972]

i saw the transaction - the best you can do is $5,000 come on joey natural. a big man like you should have more to throw around than that.

talk about opposing views. you don't have views - you are a lemming.

the crap analysis that geo did and the infamous mr wu? i and about 8 others called him tryign to buy property and he gave very different story.

there are abouts 8 other things wrong which we shares with other parties.

Also i wasn't aware you consider doing background checks as stalking. which is why your dd is being a lemming.

[joenatural]

It's always flattering to have a stalker who's more concerned about opposing views than the junk (LLEN) he owns. That's a sure recipe for disaster.

Also ..... you want me to short LLEN ? I bought Feb. $5 puts about 2 weeks ago. It's buffoons like yourself that will put money in my pocket

[realfast95]

ot - MARK isn't a fraud. They are real, just nothing special.
They only owned 16% if the Dr Oz Oprah site, less, after that site had another equity infusion. But your right, to pump it before any DD is foolish trading.

[Timhu1972]

lets be clear - i want you to short LLEN,i am long but want you to short.

Lets also be clearly - you touted MARK with buzz words of Oprah and your statements that you were going to call your buddy Dr Oz and were long.

Lets also be clear you are a puny little trader that has an ego the size of South America yet have no ability to comprehend reality. Keep bashing - maybe your friend geo wil hire you to join the rest of their talented crew - read the bios, you will fit in well. Car salesman, internet scam debt collectors and chicken hat salesman. Looks like a good combination for me.

[joenatural]

You keep mentioning MARK in an attempt to discredit me, yet you fail to disclose to people that I showed you this post yesterday (link below) morning .......

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_R/threadview?m=tm&bn=51606&tid=1153&mid=1153&tof=9&frt=2

Obviously you're very deceptive by nature, but your deception will not result in anyone buying into junk like LLEN, a B.S. company with NO cash and NO future and on its way to an eventual delisting. Good luck with that.

[Timhu1972]

joey natural - why don't you short some more right now. There is 550k avail at IB. show us where your balls are really at. If you are so "amped" on your ability to pick stocks on long calls like MARK and short calls step up and play the big boys game.

Triple down if you are sooo certain. please do.

[Timhu1972]

hummm, ok. when you are playing with $1,000 you can almost afford to move out of your trailer park.

Whats bigger your inflated ego of yourself or the stick you are about it get shoved up your rear making picks like you do. Have fun with your long call on MARK and your puts. I am sure you like that way anyways.

[joenatural]

Let me know when you can beat 2,880% annual returns (all trades listed on my board for 2009), as I'll tell you right now you won't do that in 100 lifetimes, especially buying total junk like LLEN. Oh geez, LLEN is down again today. What a shocker.

[Timhu1972]

Sorry i only speak four languages and write fluently in three. English was last language learned.

why are you so defensive - just admit your are wrong on every call you have made over last two weeks and go away.

When you open your mouth people lose money if they are a lemming like you. Would you prefer to talk or write in some other language or do you just know one - which appears to be high school girl english.

[joenatural]

Dude, you can't even spell, so insult yourself instead of others who have far more knowledge than you'll ever be capable of .....

"You are becoming the site moran with your weird posts."

[Timhu1972]

thats pretty good. sorry for mispelling. english is not my first language, but yeah that was a pretty dumb mispelling.

[tbirdman]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/moron

[Timhu1972]

You are becoming the site moran with your weird posts. You go out there and promote some total crap company that has been a pump and dump for 5 years, yet bash a company because you are a follower and begging for a job on geoinvestings board. If you like using some random guy with no verification as due diligence than more power to you - when i called him and others his story was very different.

Keep talking like a troll to people on here and we will see what happens to your money.

Sorry but your attitude makes you look like nothing more than a desperate sole bashing a company based on bad info trying to get a job. Keep being a lemming, but FYI - Geo has no money to hire you with their $300 a month they make from you and the other 29 people that pay for that site.

[joenatural]

Long call on MARK ? Obviously you missed this ...

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_R/threadview?m=tm&bn=51606&tid=1153&mid=1153&tof=8&frt=2

Oh wait, no you didn't because you saw the post this morning on the CGS board, my reply to you. The difference between you and I ? I can quickly adapt to a change in sentiment based on DD whereas you buy a stock, hold it for an eternity and hope and pray it's not a total scam .... which LLEN is.

[lostmyballs]

Do you have an opinion on YONG...??

[lostmyballs]

Got it ..Thanks ..

[Timhu1972]

i can only post once on CGS but i laughed when i read this joenaturals post today. It was clearly evident that Geo was short and was desperate to cover jan puts.

They claims are ludicrious and proven factually wrong. Their only evidence is some random guy named Mr Wu who is trying to make a spread selling a mine using information that was partially wrong it appears. So he was using some old data and making up data that he didn't have publicly. Funny thats their proof.

As i have stated on hear earlier i question the tactics of whitetiger and believe their time is coming in front of the authorities.

I will be adding to the position and still chasing a short on Joenaturals Long call on MARK.

[researcher59]

ChinaMicro100 up 15.6% YTD .... a great start to "The Year of the Dragon" -

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=71224889