Box Ships Inc (TEUFF)

[thespostman]

due to an issue, my post was deleted..

I am an investor that lost money in Paragon but as i continue investing with Greek companies I have been following B's and his employee's ( Skrimizas) case through my Greek contacts and local media.

In light of the recent postings i'd like to share the information and facts that i have obtained from Greek media sites and mainstream newspapers for the benefit of investors who have not been following the case in Greece.

FACTS

1. The alleged violations by B are supposed to have taken place in 2015 and 2016.
There has not been any evidence or any rumors that there have been any negative findings relevant to Box or Paragon by the SEC to this date and I now understand from the recent postings that the Greek prosecution service has just dismissed the criminal law suit against B, filed by some of my co-investors, based on the allegations made and information provided by "inv justice" some years ago.

The Logical conclusion is that the allegations against B are unfounded and not the opposite.

2. That the allegations on B originally launched on this site by "Inv justice" are time barred since long ago from civil consequences.

3. That one of B's employees named G. Skr....as has been charged by the Greek authorities for theft of about 5 mill usd from B ( he is due to appear in the Greek criminal high court shortly)
, he is obligated to physically present him self to the police station monthly and there is a court injunction in force against him for the 5 mill . All the above info has been extensively circulated in mainstream greek media such as "proto thema", " mononews" etc

SUSPICION

4. It has also been circulated extensively in the Greek media ( " edolio", "mononews"etc) that the above named employee , has launched a series of defamation campaigns against B in order to use them as leverage against the latter's law suits against him. To my knowledge none of the allegations were substantiated by the subsequent official investigations that took place by the Greek Authorities . I strongly suspect therefore that the allegations concerning Box and Paragon were also initiated and being pursued by the particular employee for the same reasons.
Frankly i suspect that "inv justice",
" faitrgoal" and others adopting the aggressive tone of the " prosecutor" against B are in fact acting at the instructions of the former employee aiming at luring investors into filing criminal law suits!

5. Why i care? Because I believe that All investors should be aware of the above facts since I am sure that none of us would like to be mislead and be used for unlawful "goals " of a third party while risking of being sued for libel in the process.
Especially so when there can be no financial gain to be expected for any of us due to the time bar.

[inv justice]

Dear mrkaplan

the matter is so simple.
As a shareholder myself i am not suppose to give answers to anybody.
If you seek justice follow your own path and do as you think. Did anyone ask you to join us? NO. How are you used?
i am sorry but i fail to see.
If you want information contact the Lawyers and get the information you want. Have said that so many times.
But it seems none of those asking questions on this board and look mostly as B attorneys, dare to call the Lawyers. I wonder why.
What i wrote is that this Skras you say is a case we do not know and is not of our concern anyway. B is our case and his fraudulent actions.

All of a sudden several new entries appeared and want answers. We understand that B is scared and we know what the purpose of these recent posts is.

So stop bothering me because you present a suspicious anxiety. IF YOU ARE A SHAREHOLDER nobody forces you to do anything. You want your money? Take the steps you believe are appropriate. Do not follow us. Or do nothing, besides you have not appeared again.

So so simple and that is my last post.

the rest in the courts and with the Lawyers.

[mrkaplan]

Dear inv justice i am amazed by your anger!!
I am just a shareholder who wants to find out any wrongdoing against me and seek justice.

All we have is your own word and "evidence" provided by you!!
Moreover , you reply to questions only selectively while you respond to the others with anger!

I asked if it is true that B's employee Skrizas is prosecuted in Greece and whether his trial happened and you replied:

" Skras and anything else is not of shareholders concerns and it is suspicious that several of you mention this. How do you know?

I know because it has been written several times by others on this site.
I ask because it is critical for me to know if i am being used by other crooks to serve their ends!

Why do you not reply to a factual question and why does the question anger you?
Why do you monopolize shareholder's concerns?

After all , If Skras stole from B he probably also stole from us.

Can we have a reply rather than anger please?

[mrkaplan]

I want my money back from bugaloo or skras or whoever too .

I am really confused by what i read.

Why did Tadlock walk away 4 years ago?
Was it because he realized he was being played by skrimas? Was it because he realised that the acts of Bugaloo were done in 2015 and 2016 and were time barred for a civil law suit?
I don't know!

I want to be assured however that the lawyers are not engaged and paid for by skrimsas and use us the investors for suckers!

Can the lawyers confirm that they are not engaged by bugaloo's employee who is charged for theft and is fighting for his freedom?

Can faitrgoal1 who speaks to the lawyers , as he admits, confirm that the lawyers are not engaged by skrimsas?
Hiding this would be fraudulent under US law and this is probably why Tadlock gave up.

Tadlock is a smart guy and ahead in the game.
That i know!

[inv justice]

Early monday morning and someone has to reply to nonsenses.

your panic has confused you about who wrote what. check better.

But again who are you demanding answers on a board? Why dont you contact the Lawyers? Told you so many times. Every shareholder can contact our Lawyers. On the board someone can write whatever. The answers from the Lawyers are official.
It is so simple to do it but apparently you do not want. So why your anxiety?
You are particularly concerned about what we do.
Your posts and even your time zone have made clear your intentions.
We are not stupid as you think, and will not spend more time for you.

B will pay our money back and will be punished by the courts for his crimes.

[financsp_]

Wooo what an angry response by inv justice? Hardly the kind of response expected from a fellow investor.

All i did was to ask a logical question to inv justice but instead of a reply i received accusations!!

I asked about the relevance of the statement that inv justice made which was that "B's attempts to compromise for peanuts were flatly rejected " with the dismissal of the law suit against bugaloo!
Instead of an answer i received screams!

Can we have a clarification ?
Did bugalllo offer compensation during the investigation which was rejected by the plaintiffs, as inv justice wrote, or is this a misleading lie to all of us?

Answers please , no screaming!

[Faitrgoal1]

Panic in B camp.

New entries who are worried about the lawsuit and our Lawyers.

None of the names you mention has something to do with the lawsuit or our Lawyers. You are very new in the board so you do not know that is not allowed to put names, that is why i do not repeat the names.

It is shareholders vs the huge fraud committed by B. The crook who back in 2016 assured us of the company’s future. Nobody understood he was referring to his own bright future, on our expense.

The recent posts merely expose your boss who has many reasons to be afraid.
If you are genuine contact the Lawyers. Posts wont compensate for losses.

Even better find your own lawyers or do nothing.
Do not waste our time.Do not mind what we do.

But we all know that you are not shareholders.
Period.

Patience
New episodes, shortly.

PS
For the shareholder referred in the last post our Lawyers have accurate information and evidence of what has happened and how guilty B is.
No need to say more.
The fight is in the Courts.

[inv justice]

You being so furious to get your money ( only recently of course), with a post and by doing nothing, Suggest you put your bank account on company’s site and for sure Bgloo will send your losses back.😹😹😹

[inv justice]

You being so furious to get your money ( only recently of course), with a post and by doing nothing, Suggest you put your bank account on company’s site and for sure Bgloo will send your losses back.😹😹😹

[inv justice]

Great. You want your money back. Contact the lawyers, present yourself, ask them what they do and see if you want to follow.
Skras and anything else is not of shareholders concerns and it is suspicious that several of you mention this. How do you know?
The boats are gone, the company disappeared, money lost, investors destroyed.FACTS.
And as you say you lost money!!

Do you ALL the recent posts expect to have the lawyers replying to you on this board? Ridiculous and surely you are not serious.
The Lawyers are there.
But you always have the choice to follow your own path. Who says you have to join us? Who says our Lawyers are to answer to you?😂😭😂😭
NOBODY IS FORCING ANYBODY. Why do you bother?
If you believe that Bgloo did well then do not waste your time.
But you seem very anxious and you only prove that Bgloo is worried with what is coming. That is why he put all of you in posting those hilarious posts.

[inv justice]

Faitrgoal1 is so right. Posts that serve BGloo interests and attempts to frighten us. Well, thats in vain.LOL.
Posts from 2-3 newcomers who started right after the lawsuit was revealed.

Why do u care what we do and if we go after BGloo so that we claim our money?
Did anyone force you to follow us?
How s that n u follow our lawsuit, you allegedly know results in the Greek courts, what BGloo does?

Very simple. U r either his employee or his lawyer or BGloo himself. Your terminology makes it apparent. You cannot hide.
Bgloo knows we are coming and he is terrified.

He took 3 boats from us for cents, embezzled millions from our Company, issued illegally, bonds that killed our investments and he ignored major shareholders (check munhoi on this board) who urged him to protect our interests. A lot of selfsealing transactions.

Your interests surely are not aligned with ours. Your other “colleague” posted, immediatelly after you, that “were played”. Hilarious. You are not part of the team who go after Bgloo so nobody “played” you.
And you want answers from our Lawyers😭😭. Lawyers talk to their clients, do not post on boards.
Greek lawyers contact details have been on this board. Contact them identify yourself and find out why Bgloo is scared.
US based lawyers do not allow to make their contacts public, only on private mode, but be rest assured they are active.
SEC is on the game, US embassy in Greece, Marshall Islands lawyers.

Bgloo is a big time Greek crook who caused damages to many and soon will be behind the bars.

[financsp_]

I serve only my own interests as Shareholder and hope we all do on this site.
I just ask logical questions as do not wish to waste my time nor to be taken as a fool by others.

For instance you say that “ B attempts’ to compromise for peanuts were flatly rejected.

Was there a financial negotiation during criminal investigation?

This would be most unusual in a criminal investigation as prosecutors do not discuss money but only crimes.

I hope that you are not saying this to mislead investors.

What are the reasons for the dismissal?

Can the lawyers advise?

[GAlurb1]

Yes
Very weird indeed. Hope we were not played here.

I wonder whether this story was indeed fabricated by the Boxes employee George Skrimizas as leverage against Boogaloo, as someone suggested.

Is it true that this guy was to appear before a criminal court for stealing 5 million from Bugaloo?

Has the trial happened ? What was the outcome ?

[Faitrgoal1]

True or not soon we ll find out. We have many ways to fight. I do not give up on my pension money and there are many of us. Someone could check what is happening in the States and in Greece. Pinstripes suit is already made for B, the biggest crook ever. He will bring our ships and sholders money back. He stole them from us. Whoever wants i can share, privately, also the American Lawyers' contact details.
Thanks for the wishes, although you realize it s obvious u r not a shareholder who lost money from this fraud, but most probably a servant of B.
Please no reply. My time is precious and the team is determined. Cant be intimidated.

[financsp_]

So the rumors are true!!
The shareholder's criminal complaint was indeed dismissed.
Wonder why lawyers did not advise!

Very strange outcome considering the allegedly compelling evidence against Bougaloo that we were led to believe at first.

One can not help but wonder why an appeal would succeed where an initial complaint was thrown away after almost 3 years of investigation by the prosecution service.

Good luck with that. !!

It may be just as well i did not join the original team.

[Faitrgoal1]

Rumours....funny. I am one of them. Happy to meet B in the court. Nobody s scared. B will compensate us. He made a fortune out of shareholders money. He will pay back.
and will go to jail. He will bring our ships back. His attempts to compromise for peanuts, were flatly rejected.
Since you know more, if a rejection, is it final or is it subject to appeal? To save you from an answer, the latter.

[financsp_]

Regarding Boogaloo Law suit in Greece, there are rumours that the lawsuit has been rejected and that criminal and civil law suits for defamation against Plaintiffs are underway.

Is this True?

Can the lawyers advise on the matter?

Does inv justice, who introduced the lawyers, know if the above are true?

[temp luvs amy]

369 shares traded. Is it waking up?

[Fairtrgoal1]

Shareholder participating in the lawsuit. REposting.

although i had asked not to get replies in my post, and waste more time, i received more than 8 private messages so i had to block and remove.
However because it seems people are interested i repeat, but
DO NOT REPLY. DO NOT WASTE MY TIME. I AM NOT SHAREHOLDERS REPRESENTATIVE. :
''''
i am shareholder of Paragon and Box. i have joined the team of shareholders who filed lawsuit in Greece against Boogalloo and the BOD. It is the place where a lawsuit could be filed, according to the Lawyers. HQ of both cos in Athens, B leaves in Athens, the courts of Athens have jurisdiction.
i have talked to the Lawyers. Seem knowledgeable and credible. They sent to me plenty of evidence, they explained the case and i feel very comfortable and risk-free. To my eyes the evidence cannot be challenged. The District Atty will investigate and decide. Do not forget that it is companies that belong to the public, not private entities. Where on earth would someone see assets of a listed Company, worth millions, ending up to its CEO for $0.50? The lawyers believe that SEC, who have received the lawsuit and the evidence, will also conduct investigation (if not started yet).
The money i lost, by a very rich Greek shipping guy were supposed to use in my retirement. I will definitely try to get it back.
Institutional shareholders seem to have stepped in. That is another good sign.

For the shareholder who made a lot of noise and suddenly...disappeared, i have received information, but it is not disclosable. It is for the lawyers to use, the way they deem appropriate.

Dear ....nerds, you are asking for assurances. Do you expect that the lawyers read the hub? or that they communicate through it, with anonymous aliases? Have you contacted the Lawyers? The contact details have been posted in this board. Have you identified yourselves as Shareholders? If you do, as others did, i am sure you will get what you want. Otherwise, your posts look suspicious and serve other purpose.

I was told that the case is big and in Greece articles in the press already appeared. Check the below link, from a site which covers legal matters.

https://www.dikastikoreportaz.gr/o-efoplistis-pou-xafrise-tis-etaireies-tou/

it is in Greek, i used translation app. Interesting article, in the same site you will find another three for the same person.

Lastly, i was told that B is also investigated by the Anti Money Laundering authority in Greece, for multi million, real estate related, fraud (the money we lost had to be invested somehow?).

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[Fairtrgoal1]

Shareholder participating in the lawsuit. REposting.

although i had asked not to get replies in my post, and waste more time, i received more than 8 private messages so i had to block and remove.
However because it seems people are interested i repeat, but
DO NOT REPLY. DO NOT WASTE MY TIME. I AM NOT SHAREHOLDERS REPRESENTATIVE. :
''''
i am shareholder of Paragon and Box. i have joined the team of shareholders who filed lawsuit in Greece against Boogalloo and the BOD. It is the place where a lawsuit could be filed, according to the Lawyers. HQ of both cos in Athens, B leaves in Athens, the courts of Athens have jurisdiction.
i have talked to the Lawyers. Seem knowledgeable and credible. They sent to me plenty of evidence, they explained the case and i feel very comfortable and risk-free. To my eyes the evidence cannot be challenged. The District Atty will investigate and decide. Do not forget that it is companies that belong to the public, not private entities. Where on earth would someone see assets of a listed Company, worth millions, ending up to its CEO for $0.50? The lawyers believe that SEC, who have received the lawsuit and the evidence, will also conduct investigation (if not started yet).
The money i lost, by a very rich Greek shipping guy were supposed to use in my retirement. I will definitely try to get it back.
Institutional shareholders seem to have stepped in. That is another good sign.

For the shareholder who made a lot of noise and suddenly...disappeared, i have received information, but it is not disclosable. It is for the lawyers to use, the way they deem appropriate.

Dear ....nerds, you are asking for assurances. Do you expect that the lawyers read the hub? or that they communicate through it, with anonymous aliases? Have you contacted the Lawyers? The contact details have been posted in this board. Have you identified yourselves as Shareholders? If you do, as others did, i am sure you will get what you want. Otherwise, your posts look suspicious and serve other purpose.

I was told that the case is big and in Greece articles in the press already appeared. Check the below link, from a site which covers legal matters.

https://www.dikastikoreportaz.gr/o-efoplistis-pou-xafrise-tis-etaireies-tou/

it is in Greek, i used translation app. Interesting article, in the same site you will find another three for the same person.

Lastly, i was told that B is also investigated by the Anti Money Laundering authority in Greece, for multi million, real estate related, fraud (the money we lost had to be invested somehow?).

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[inv justice]

"shareholders" not in the lawsuit, i guess, worry for the lawsuit and they are asking for assurances, from...??

[fraud_hunter]

This story sucks
Too many suspicious motives here. Lawyers must explain

[inv justice]

Campaign on behalf of boogalloo. oaoooo!!!!!

[financsp_]

My info is the story is made by Skrimizes
He shortly appears in criminal court for embezzlement from B
, he is indicted for money laundering and forgery.

The Greek lawyers must confirm to us that they do not work for Skrimiza and explain who engaged them.

[marketnerd]

I want my money back from bogalloo or whoever.
I want the Greek Lawyers to confirm that they are not dragging us into a 3d party dispute and use forged documents for our deception.
We want assurances for our protection.

[maritimenerd]

What is news with bogaloo?
When will we get our money??
The Lawyers were promissing justice almost 2 years back!! Why they disappeared?

[temp luvs amy]

it is obvious that a couple of new entries in this site

Four posts between them. You might be on to something.

[temp luvs amy]

It's all Greek to me. I just want my ships back. You figured out how to use the reply button and notify me. That's a step in the right direction.

If you guys start to pester me I will turn the notifications off.

[inv justice]

In the SEC filings, this guy, the right hand man of B, appears to be the COO of Box Ships!!!
Do they fight over the split of the ‘earnings’?????
The name will be given to the Lawyers. Maybe he has to say something.
In any case, not our concern.
B just bring the money and the ships back to the Company.

[inv justice]

it is obvious that a couple of new entries in this site are working for Boggalloo and try to scare the shareholders.
Our information is that B is in panic and shortly will be invited by the District Attorney to defend himself. There is a lot of evidence and i understand several witnesses.
SEC soon will also step in.
We were informed that press in Greece has publicized articles about this lawsuit, which seems a big story.
As Shareholders we can just wait, hoping to have the Company live and with assets again.

[temp luvs amy]

I waited this long. I can wait for Bodouroglou to etch his legacy in history. Reboot.

I hope my prompting doesn't hurt his feelings.

[temp luvs amy]

I mean, if the other guys were the "real crooks" It's time for Bodouroglou to step up.

We know where the boats are. Excuse me "Ships." I think we can track them by GPS, right?

[temp luvs amy]

So when do we get our boats back?

[temp luvs amy]

I know you moved on. Check it out at your own discretion.

[temp luvs amy]

It looks like they have something. Can we trust them? I don't know them anymore than I knew the shady Lawyer.

[JoeWil1]

Indeed, this whole affair sucks. If there were merits something would have been done by the big guys years ago!! Why wait for years and launch criminal complaints only in Greece!!
Anyway the story is that Taddlock invested a lot time and money in this only to drop it when he realised that he was been used by Skrimizes for his own personal goals.

[marketnerd]

This latest information raises a question regarding the legitimacy of the documents against BOD circulated on this site and whether whoever uses them may be legally exposed in any way !!
I think that the Greek lawyers that were recruiting powers of attorney by investors last year must guarantee to us that the documents they used are neither stolen nor forged in any way.
Can they confirm this please?

[financsp]

I also hear the same . I also hear that this guy whose name is George Skrimizes is also under criminal idictment for stealing company documents and a 3d one for forgery of documents!!!

[marketnerd]

My sources tell me that the allegations against Bodouroglou back in june 2021 and earlier have bern fabricated and spread by his long time right hand man in order to use US investors for his own leverage against BOD.
Apparently this guy is under criminal prosecution for stealing 5 mill usd from BOD , due to appear in the Athens criminal court in May 2023 and is already under restraining orders.

[hugh tate]

https://www.seanews.com.tr/carriers-use-of-extra-ships-fails-to-cope-with-surge-in-us-imports-from-asia/188797/

[tinojax]

Hi All, any word on the boogaloo lawsuit?

[marketnerd]

I am a holder of lots of useless common.

As Tadlock had advised in 2019, he was provided material by a former employee of Mr. B.

There are rumours that this particular officer is under criminal prosecution in Greece for embezzlement of millions and is trying to use this forum as a leverage on Mr.B and probably Tadlock walked away when he found out.

Can the lawyers clarify if the source is the same officer and if he indeed is under indictment or is just rumours?

[financsp]

I got a few preferred since 2019 and consider to sign up.

Can Greek lawyers guarantee that I will not be sued for defamation or for disclosure of Personal Data. Will they protect me?

Who will pay for legal costs/ fines in case of criminal complaints / lawsuits against me?

[temp luvs amy]

Sounds rock solid. LOL

[temp luvs amy]

Well I'll be dipped!

I show quotes and trades today.

[temp luvs amy]

ALL HANDS ON DECK!

I don't know what will happen when the OTC torpedo hits, but if this Message board sinks, I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavors.

[temp luvs amy]

the case file that will be formed

Will be formed? LOL.

[temp luvs amy]

I have very similar concerns. I'm not stupid.

[inv justice]

For the PoA i consulted two other Greek Lawyers and they confirmed to me that it is a rather standard PoA they use in Greece.

[inv justice]

Do not forget that he works in this case without fees. He will get paid if the lawsuit is succesful. You know how the Lawyers manage their time. Do not expect from him to spend considerable time for being very formal. What the shareholders should expect from him is to be effective. His background provides some assurances.
And as we have said many times, we have nothing to lose here.