Bow Hunting

[MossyOak]

Wow, now that's a science class in anatomy...........Handle with care.

[MossyOak]

Without getting "too specific" this is the general area we Bow hunt in............(and where the "Big Hogs" are)

http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GZHZ_enUS233US233&q=cuthand+texas&um=1&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=image

[odinpinetree]

WARNING: link may be considered GRAPHIC
http://www.texasboars.com/anatomy.html

HUNTERS ANATOMY OF A FERAL HOG
HEART - LUNG - SPINAL CORD
The heart, lung, and spinal cord anatomy of the feral hog is widely misunderstood.
This article deals with the anatomy of the wild boar. GRAPHIC PHOTOS are used to illustrate the location of the heart, lungs, and spinal cord so hunters can better understand the proper KILL ZONE area.

It is widely understood or rather miss understood that a wild boar is some sort of super armored beast that is almost impossible to kill. Amazing campfire stories are told and repeated of how well placed shots on the beast fail to bring them down. It's not that the animals are so tough, rather, the kill zone is so small!
YEAH YEAH YATTA YATTA,, I know about the ARMOR PLATE,, GET OVER IT,, it aint bullet proof! The so-called ARMOR SHIELD is tough and it can be thick, but despite the ol-wives-tails it is easily penetrated by both bullet and proper broad-head. A .22 Rimfire will consistently penetrate through a 2 inch thick shield of a wild boar. I tested it OVER AND OVER AND OVER,, SO,, all those stories of bullets bouncing off a hog is just bunk. I have killed many large boar with small .224 caliber through the shoulder area,, although I DO NOT recommend the average hunter try it!!

I have seen artistic drawings of HOG ANATOMY and not once have they been correct. At best they were terribly misleading.

The photos below will reveal in GRAPHIC DETAIL, the exact location of the VITALS and will illustrate how small the heart/lung cavity actually is. Also it will illustrate the location of the spine which runs MUCH LOWER through the shoulder section than many hunters may realize!
I also want to point out how far forward the PUANCH or the STOMACH and INTESTINES are actually located. TAKE A CLOSE look at the final photo! You can see the Paunch is all the way up to the lower shoulder and actually rests against the heart. So the popular belief of placing a shot "BEHIND THE SHOULDER" will generally do nothing more than rupture intestines and liver. This shot will leave a mortally wounded hog running for hundreds of yards. The blood trail will usually end at around 100 yards as the entry wound plugs up. Although the hog will die, they are rarely recovered. Then another story is born of the BULLET PROOF beast. FACT REMAINS,, and decent caliber with a decent load placed in the heart, lung, or spinal column will dispatch the biggest boar in very short order. The TRICK is knowing the PROPER KILL ZONE of the wild boar.

Please keep in mind the photos bellow are of a dead hog laying on a flat surface. It makes the top front leg appear to be more forward than it really is,, as if it were slightly quartering away.

[MossyOak]

The Funnel Factor
Big bucks routinely use funnels to their advantage. If you want to put a big trophy on the wall, there is no better place to set up a stand than near a well-used funnel.

http://www.northamericanwhitetail.com/huntingtactics/NAW_1007_05/index.html

In Texas we use Funnels all we can, IMO.....this is where you will improve you big buck shots the most, if you imply all your other hunting skills (sent, sight, and, concealment)

[MossyOak]

Understanding the anatomy of a whitetail deer is important to making a quick and clean harvest. The most ethical placements have a large room for error and target the lungs and heart.

http://www.rubsnscrapes.com/Articles/deer_shot_placement_anatomy.php


Knowledge is power, complete your own Due Diligence!!

[MossyOak]

Now that's good!!.......sit up in the tree and wait

What's the chance of SIX getting "The Nuge" to post up here from time to time, now that would be a hit!!!

[inflationista]

LOL - look for a path bait them with a trash bag, regular stinky household garbage -

sit up in the tree and wait -



the ultra rare rising minisub pattern

[SIIX]

"1,200 acres in east Texas" "hog problems" !!! Sign me up for the hunt! LOL

[MossyOak]

of course in ares where the animals are rarely hunted that changes. i dont care what animal you are talking about. the less hunting pressure the tamer they become.

Good point, very little hunting pressure on our place as well. However neighboring ranches hunt a lot.

[BerryBuck]

that much is a guarantee. stalking is hit and miss, but when you pull it off its a great feeling. but there is a time and a place and the right conditions. with noisy walking conditions it is a 100% waste of time unless you have a rifle and can see long ditances, like easing up to the edge of a large open field from a wooded area. many bucks have i hammered in that very fashion.

of course in ares where the animals are rarely hunted that changes. i dont care what animal you are talking about. the less hunting pressure the tamer they become. we dont over hunt our farm and rarely take does and it is nothing to walk up 20 yards from one when i know good and well they have been standing there for minutes listening to me walk up on them.

it wouldnt surprise me if a zimbabwae tribe could go in and get 10 in one day with spears, seriously.

[MossyOak]

LOL.....sounds great, just thought it would make for good practice and improved shooting skills.

[BerryBuck]

in the right situation with the wind right, good cover, and making sure they are distracted when you break cover, absolutely. anything can be. except a crow. they are the wisest in the whole animal kingdom that i have came across anyway.

[MossyOak]

Good points, thanks!! Can you stalk them successfully?

[BerryBuck]

shell corn is a favorite. they can be alot of fun with a bow. but if you want to reduce the reduce the population, you might want to consider a rifle. hogs are smart, and if they are relatively tame(not shot at day and night) you will probably get a few fairly easy kills with a bow. but they will wise up on that bigtime and sooner than later if they are in groups most of the time.
the best way to get past that if possible is just to only shoot lone hogs when you see them, not in a group. then its like it never happened.

just my opinion.

[MossyOak]

Any one here ever hunted hogs with a bow? Having some hog problems on our 1,200 acres in east Texas.

Do you bait them in, and if so with what, and what type of set up do you use......TIA

Great Board!!

[BerryBuck]

i marked the board as well. glty all!!

[BerryBuck]

thats some crazy stuff six. i know this a bow hunting board,
BUT in these situations anyone who will not drop a wolf because it is against the law deserves whatever they get or their animals get. i hate to be honest and not sugar coat it, but there it is.

i was raised on a cattle farm in north central arkansas, and any 4 legged violators were dealt with a 150 grain .30-06 remington core-lokt bullet. period, it wasnt even thought about and still isnt. wild dogs have been a problem in our area off and on throughout the years. this stems from people dropping off unwanted dogs and they wind up packing up and dining on calves when they get the chance. there are actually those who wont take action because it isnt the poor dogs fault after all. well it isnt the fault of our beautiful little hereford calves either, and after seeing the aftermath of these situations i have no remorse or no repent on squeezing the trigger. i actually shoot with stunning accuracy in those situations compared to others.

imo the joke of it all is that there are those who see this kind of stuff happening and instead of taking care of business they try to involve the police and local game officials. they come out, sympathize, then leave. then the game wardens and cops laugh at em with us and say if they cant grow a pair thats just too bad.

i could care less what the law says, you let me see wolves eating on our dogs or cattle, or maybe just standing there looking at me for that matter, i will take em out if i can and i dont care if there is a game warden convention going on out in our hay field next to me. i dont believe in breaking the law, but i do believe in doing the right thing.

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happy hunting yall!!!!!

berry

[lc45]

kdswing, nice post.
I spent some time reading in that book, and plan to go back for some more. I especially liked his recommendation to shoot the heaviest bow you can handle comfortably, and accurately. On the shots that are challenging penetration angles, the extra power coupled with heavier arrow weight, can mean the difference of getting a kill that you collect, or one that gets lost.
I think that all we need here is a virtual campfire, and we could swap tales all night. Hunting stories would fill the air.
Good luck afield. LC

[SIIX]

hey, theres a picture i was looking for..thanks for posting.

[skinwalker]

Page 105 I believe. It took some digging! Personally from this type of angle I'm taking the middle of the neck/spine. Bow or gun I prefer a head/spine shot to stop them where they stand and finish them if need be. I love deer season but hate to see them 'get away' with a broadhead/bullet in them.

Wisconsin bow/football season is upon us!! GLTA -

http://books.google.com/books?id=uABlbSwJt94C&pg=PA106&lpg=PA106&dq=whitetail+vitals+from+above&source=web&ots=Suh2fN6EbP&sig=hD1ag01zirgrsk6PF_llC-FZfwg#PPA104,M1

[SIIX]

Good evening lc45, thanks for stopping by. You brought up some interesting points about elevated shot placement. I have looked all over the net and cant find any pic's showing shot placement from above. Just like you, its all in my head. I think as long as a hunter knows where all the vital organs are , they should be able to find the best arrow placement. As for new bow hunters here..everyone that has posted so far, seems to know their stuff. I just like posting the basics sometimes, just in case.

Speaking of shot placement, check this one out..lol

Texas Heart Shot -
Shooting at a strutting spring gobbler is a risky venture. When a turkey struts his feathers are puffed out away from his body, making the location of the vital areas difficult to determine. You can usually bring a turkey out of strut by making a couple of clucks on a turkey call. If this doesn't work, the best shot at a strutting gobbler is to wait for him to turn his fanned tail toward you. With his back turned and his head hidden by the fan, you can draw on him without being seen. Then aim at the vent (anus) at the base of the tail. Your broadhead placed in this location should hit the heart, lungs or liver and maybe break a leg or wing too.




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[lc45]

SIX, nice V pic.
I am assuming you have some new archers that view here, so do you also have the views (or a link to) of shot placements on deer that they are actually likely to see from the tree stand? Views from 10 to 20 feet off of the ground, with the deer at 11 to 20 yds from the tree base. I don't know where to find those pictures, except in my head, and they are imbedded in my second/other brain cell, and you can't have that.
Most practicing on the level full body type pictures, or dots on plain targets, will give you excellent shot placement skills, but leave you guessing when the buck is under the stand. It's a whole different view. The heart/lung shot placement on the level is a skin down the outside of the ribs from 20 feet up.
You don't need expensive 3-d targets to get used to shooting into something three dimensional, like a deer. You also don't need to shoot a lot of arrows to see where the difference is in aiming, either. I used to shoot off of my roof down into a large pampers diaper box, using the chimney to simulate the tree, and changing sides to simulate the deer coming from different angles. I did it three or four times before going into the field. I learned to pick the spot I wanted, and put the arrow in that spot. It also covered the difference in angle & drop, although I didn't see that much difference at the close ranges when I switched to a flat shooting compound.
Shot placement skill & easy range limit test. Using a small paper plate (desert size), don't shoot any distance further than you can hold six out of six in that plate. Place a quarter size dot on the plate to shoot at instead of the whole plate. You'll end up concentrating on the dot more than the plate.
BTW, I bookmarked your Larry Wise link, Thanks. Good Luck on your hunt. LC

[SIIX]

The Deadly 'V'

As bow hunters, we need to practice shot placement. A true sportsman will never force a shot. Its either a clean shot or nothing for me.

[SIIX]

How to compensate for tree stand shooting

http://www.bowtube.com/media/240/Steep_Shots/

[SIIX]

Here is a good song as we get ready for bow hunting.

Close to you
by: Bobby Kendall

[SIIX]

Its not a huge flame at all, I clip mine to my chest pocket of my shirt, and don't think i have even even felt heat from it. Until you realize the mosquitoes stop biting, you wonder if its actually doing anything ...lol Its great.


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[inflationista]

LOL - ok -

thanks for the link -

[skinwalker]

soyelpato - they burn butane through a grill with a saturated mat on it so I doubt it:

http://www.mosquitorepellent.com/

[inflationista]

do they make those things in a waterproof variety?

[SIIX]

Thermacell..ahhh the best invention ever! Good luck this year!

[skinwalker]

Yep - 2 weeks SIX - just picked up my Thermacells, had 2 more stands delivered and finished planting 2.5 acres of food plot for this fall/winter. GLTY!

[SIIX]

14 more days...

...then im coming for ya





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[SIIX]

yeah, its one of my yin to my yang things... I have to somehow offset sitting in front of a computer, in a comfy chair all day. LOL

Seriously though... Bow hunting cleanses the soul brotha!

[BreakoutÎnvestments]

wow, I didn't know you were into bow hunting SIX

[SIIX]

Well.. I picked up my new Matthews DXT last night. I must say- I am very impressed! Just 29 3/4' axle-to-axle, Weight 3.75 lbs but packs a punch (322fps IBO). It is by far one of the smoothest and quietest bows i have ever shot. Well worth the price tag to me.

With the Matthews drop away rest i had installed, its very forgiving.

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[SIIX]

cool compilation of Lumenok shots.

[SIIX]

I'm going to be shooting RAGE -2 blade SlipCam broadheads this year (100gr 2" cut) Anyone shoot with these ?


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[SIIX]

Bow Hunting; 12 yard shot.

[SIIX]

Dinner Time in Eagle River, Wisconsin

[lc45]

In the 80's, we had an archery store move into a converted paint company building. Nice storeroom on the back. 21yds from the entrance to the back wall targets. There were five shooting positions from 8yds to the 21 at the door. We used various size targets, twisted shooting stances, and blind screens, to make the shots more competitive. He even had a tree stand position in one corner. One guy shot an arrow straight into the floor out of it one night. It hit at about 10 yds. Slipped off of the rest just as he shot, he said. Pinched the arrow I think. Someone painted a circle around that one before the next week. He heard about it for many shoots, believe me.
During one tournament we had a recurve night. We all brought our old recurves in, and shot the same rounds with that equipment(fiberglass or wood arrows). Of course we practice with them the week before, or the month before for some, but you should have seen the scores plummet. At 8 yds, hitting a dime is a lot easier with a compound set at 75, than a recurve pulling 55. But it was always a lot of fun. I found a range near here. Hoping to get back into it this year.

[SIIX]

Very nice to hear some history...Thanks for sharing. I have always shot compound, but recently felt the urge to shoot a recurve bow from the earlier years. As for the B/W graphic i accidentally lost it, so i will have to as JT to put it back up.

Thanks again.

[lc45]

Nice picture of him shooting what I think is a full size Kodiak, E/w the revolutionary bow quiver that was quick detachable. The bow sold for about $130 if I remember right. It was out of my league back then. In 1974 I had a chance to go bear hunting in Canada. So I needed a good bow. Three of us caught a deal through a dealer friend, and got three Kodiak Magnums for $65 each, about $30 off of the list. Didn't get a bear, but it killed many a deer. Those bows with the full window changed the whole game for the back yard archer. You now had something that was actually consistant, and fun to shoot.
Kwickee marketed their version of the quiver for those that bought at K-Mart. One version held 4 arrows, and the other held 6. I told you it brought back memories. Thanks.
I hope you put your B/W graphic back somewhere, it is a nice print.

[SIIX]

Thanks for stopping by. I took your advice and found a very cool picture of Fred himself shooting. Replaced it with that. Let us know your thoughts.

[lc45]

Just looked at the Ibox, very nice job. Especially like the picture of Fred. The shop is good too, lots of toys for a bow enthusiast. One thing that I would suggest to change for us older purists, though; move the B&W graphic from below Fred's picture to some other location, maybe to the top, and replace it with one that can represent him. That one is nice, but it shows a compound bow silhouette. Fred Bear was a snap shooter, and, even though he produced compounds for his customers, he always shot a recurve. You couldn't snap shoot the earlier compounds, especially bows set to 75 to 85 lbs, the drastic breakover interrupted the fluidity of the draw. I don't know if you can snap shoot any of the modern ones, either. He had some really nice recurves in his line of bows. I still have my Kodiack Magnum from the early 70's. Lots of good memories come to mind when I take it down from the rack. But, to be honest, the recurves didn't perform anywhere near as well as the compounds.

[SIIX]

Father fights off black bear with bare hands as it mauls his son aged 8

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/news/article4525984.ece

[SIIX]

No suggestions yet.. Have my Matthews DXT on order. Once a shoot it a few times , ill update ya.

[skinwalker]

Looking forward to the bow season here in Wisconsin. Our cool August temps don't seem to be keeping the skeeters away!

Here's a link to fight those early season mosquitoes:
http://www.mosquitorepellent.com/realtree-appliance.asp

Perhaps we can get a braggin' board going later in the year?

For now I just need to get a few stocks to run so I can justify a new bow. I've always been a Hoyt man. Anyone have some advice/suggestions for a new bow?

[SIIX]

..tis a classic

[jscot]

My favorite Nugent song. Fred Bear. Just like I heard so many times before, Yeah.

[SIIX]

WOW! Golden Eagle vs. Deer