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Interesting insight from an attendee...
or not... up to you to spin it!
Msg: 3773 of 3774
2/1/2008 12:49:20 PM
Author: barrettjet
In response to msg 3768 by Pennimon
Re: PR's
PEN, on the way to the meeting... the night before I drove past fifteen miles of refineries, chem plants and every kind of petrochemical facility. It occurred to me, if the oil companies are our enemies we are in a hell of a place. The next day one of my key questions was "Are the oil companies our enemies or our customers for our biocrude/fuels?" The answer was always the same ... a studying look and thoughtful reponse ,,,, "CUSTOMERS, they want to be GREEN."
News article out and in Biofuels Digest
The Daily Source for Biofuels News
http://www.biofuelsdigest.com/
President of Central American Parliament earmarks $4 billion for alt energy investment; targets US Sustainable Energy’s Rivera process for Latin expansion
The Baytown Sun reported today that President Julio González Gamarra, president of the Central American Parliament (Parlacen), offered to contribute up to $4 billion for the expansion of the Baytown Green Energy Facility, a joint venture of US Sustainable Energy and Sustainable Energy Corporation.
President Gamarra and engineer Fernando Ricardo Luna Waldheim visited the Baytown facility following a demonstration of the “Rivera process” earlier this month in the Dominican Republic. “This technology has a great future,” Waldheim told the Sun. “It’s just a great opportunity for us to enter and to substitute the demand and to lower the energy costs in these countries where they don’t have crude oil, but they do have the agriculture,” he added.
“Instead of being energy dependent, they could be exporting crude oil. It’s a great opportunity for the democratic countries”, Waldheim said.
Panama, the Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and Nicaragua are members of Parlacen. Waldheim said that the Parlacen countries have the potential to install as many as 800 reactors, which would use the Rivera process to produce organic fertilizer, heavy crude oil, light crude oil and synthetic gas from carbon-based feedstocks.
The Baytown Green Energy facility has a current capacity of 2.4 Mgy, and is planning to expand capacity to 8.7 Mgy by May 2008. The joint venture partners also ultimately plan to add a 500 MW power plant at the Baytown facility.
Follow up from barrettjet
Msg: 3738 of 3746 2/1/2008 10:22:14 AM
Author: barrettjet
Baytown Meeting
Baytown company plans major splash on energy
By Kari Griffin
Baytown Sun
Published February 1, 2008
This article by Kari Griffin is an eyewitness report, not a statement put out by the company or a JR said ...
The reporter was there ALL day.
From Barrettjet:
I was invited to attend the meeting of the named persons in this article. JR described it as the "Biggest event in the history of the company" and it certainly was. Not because of the number of participants but because of the business conducted. I live in the Dallas, Texas area and drove down to Baytown on Wednesday.
Members of the Central American Parliament, which represents countries in South and Central America, and the Caribbean, were in Baytown Thursday because of one man’s process of turning soybeans – among other things – into biofuel.
This article provides the names of the people participating and yes they were there.
John Rivera, CEO of Sustainable Energy Corp. and winner of an International Engineering Conference award and inventor of the “Rivera Process,” has found a way to produce biogasoline from pyrolysis biocrude oil – and he’ll be doing it right in our backyard.
Located across from Pinehurst on Highway 146, Baytown Green Energy Consortium employees have been hard at work these past couple of months setting up the test facility where a 65-foot unit of four reactors will turn substances with a carbon chain into 737 fertilizer, heavy crude oil, light crude oil and synthetic gas in just under 9 minutes – a process that has taken Rivera 20 years to perfect.
Everything is as shown and stated in past articles and pictures. The USSE building is located behind the concrete plant, and has a railroad spur track. A great location.
Using a prototype to show his guests how it’s done, Rivera produced the biogasoline that burned clean until it was mixed with regular gasoline, which produced black smoke.
JR had both the 65ft reactor and the smaller test reactor fired up and cooking.
The big unit ran all day and the smaller unit ran for the test
Rivera also pointed out that what remains of the processed soybeans is used to make a 737 organic based fertilizer and soil treatment that removes harmful chemicals from soil.
“We have zero waste byproducts,” Rivera said.
The Baytown Green Energy facility, (a joint-venture with U.S. Sustainable Energy), is capable of producing 6,700 gallons of a petroleum product in a 24 -hour period and will be making 24,000 gallons a day within 90 days, Rivera said. And the completion of a 500 mega-watt green power plant, (the largest of its kind in the world), is on the horizon.
6,700 gallons is the output from ONE reactor and that is what we have up and running now. The second reactor is about 75% complete and the third and fourth reactors are tube assemblies waiting on some heaters and other parts which are on the way. Four reactors comprise a "Set"" which means that they share some operating systems, operate as a unit and will be started and stopped together.
If successful, Baytonians will not have to pay the fuel adjustment charges that can make up 30 percent of their bill, Rivera said.
“I’m going to be the power company in Texas,” he said.
I think this refers to the coming on site 500MW Power Plant and many others in JR plans. Very ambitious but you know JR and he IS making it come true.
Parlacen President Julio González Gamarra and H.D. Fernando Ricardo Luna Waldheim from the department of engineering of Central American Parliament were impressed with what they saw going on at the Baytown facility – so impressed they were willing to contribute $4 billion for Rivera to move the project to a bigger scale right away.
These are not JRs words , as some will say. Rather, they are the words I heard at the luncheon meeting hosted by JR. They were speaking in Spanish and some English. I heard the words come from the mouths of the Presidente and Sr. Luna Waldheim. I heard things like 900 reactors and giga watt powerplant ant certain locations that I will not pinpoint. That's for JR to define. I guess JR has had many business dealings in Latin American because he speaks Spanish fluently.
The market for this “This technology has a great future,” Waldheim said. The market for this type of product is especially strong in underdeveloped countries, he said.
“It’s just a great opportunity for us to enter and to substitute the demand and to lower the energy costs in these countries where they don’t have crude oil, but they do have the agriculture to make a joint venture with us,” Waldheim said. “Instead of being energy dependent, they could be exporting crude oil. It’s a great opportunity for the democratic countries.
Many Latin American countries have no oil and even if the country next door has oil they still have to buy it. With our technology they can keep the countrys' funds at home and create many jobs. I heard conversation indicating that the monthly income of the small farmers could double.
Right now, these areas are making ethanol and producing a lot of sugar cane, “but it’s not a substitute for petroleum products,” Waldheim said.
Once the 400 to 800 reactors are placed all in these countries, they will use their local feeds such as nuts and other carbon-based food stock to make their own energy and export the surplus said Scott Hoerr of Farmer’s Sustainable Energy International, which is working with Rivera on this project.
“We want to take it to the grass-roots level,” Hoerr said.
Baytown Councilman Brandon Capetillo learned a lot from the informative tour.
“There is a global market for biofuels,” Capetillo said. “The City of Baytown is very interested in this type of development.”
Almost as interesting than the process that Rivas created, Capetillo said, is the fact that “this can happen right here in Baytown.”
What a day and I feel very honored to me invited. Mike Conklin and I hit it off and that is because we are both pilots. He was "Marine 1", the Presidents pilot, and I was "HQ 1", the LA Govs pilot, a long time ago.
For more information about the process taking place at Baytown Green Energy Consortium, visit http://gec.sstp.us.
Msg: 3719 of 3726 2/1/2008 8:28:10 AM
Author: grantg2
In response to msg 3713 by Longshotttt
Re: 4 Billion investment from Central American Parliament...WOW!
Unless you have missed it...
JR is not accustomed to giving PRs out to draw the criticism of the cynical bashers!
I have posted previously that is the way it is & I have had it confirmed from a reliable source at the top.
So maybe, for now, all we are going to see is the newspaper coverage of it, and the summary given out by barrettjet when he has time to post it!
Remember barrettjet IS a pilot and in the aviation business... think about that! !!!!!!
WHY would he have been INVITED to attend the meeting one day this week?
Why did he NOT say he had an invitation prior to attending? (To keep from being pestered!}
Why did he tell us after the fact that he had been there? (Perhaps he mentioned to JR that he would post a summary for the LONGS here... and perhaps JR blessed it???? Hmmmmm?)
Some things in life are not left to ALL CHANCE... some things are planned and result after long periods of hard work!
JMO...but the most peculiar thing is...
I received a PRIVATE message not too long after posting this this morning... assuring me that I am not full of it!
LMAO... thought you'd like to know!
Hey, guys! Barrettjet was there!
Msg: 3691 of 3705 2/1/2008 1:32:10 AM
Author: barrettjet
In response to msg 3690 by Speculater
Re: USSE In The Baytown Sun
Hi SPEC, I barely beat you by 5 mins. WHAT GOOD NEWS THIS IS.
I was at the meeting and will report tomorrow. BJ
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Msg: 3695 of 3705 2/1/2008 1:50:42 AM
Author: barrettjet
In response to msg 3693 by raven_dave
Re: USSE In The Baytown Sun
That is very confident and ambitious but you know JR. FOUR BILLION DOLLARS FOR A START and the sale of nearly a THOUSAND REACTORS will make you ambitious.
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Msg: 3697 of 3705 2/1/2008 1:53:35 AM
Author: barrettjet s
In response to msg 3694 by thecrystalball23
USSE In The Baytown Sun
At THAT meeting. It occurred as an all day affair at Baytown and I was so honored to be there.
I heard, I saw .... ALL TRUE ! Report tomorrow.
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All that is going on at Baytown looks like serious money... and $4 Billion is serious money!
Interesting point of view from a local in Natchez:
By: prellman_29
26 Jan 2008, 12:08 PM EST
Msg. 52 of 53
(This msg. is a reply to 51 by towgos.)
Rivera's in our paper occasionally (The Democrat) and can be spotted from time to time around 'Chez and Vidalia. Senator Bob Dearing, Dominican Republic govt. officials, someone's always popping in to visit him. Rivera's sort of a folk hero to us. My brother-in-law works on the casino riverboat 'under the hill' and its apparently a great place for the latest gossip on USSE & SSTP. I chose SSTP because it's the vehicle primed to capture market share in the Alt. Energy industry w/ distribution to govt. entities & munincipalities.
I figure if USSE owns 600 million shares of SSTP, why shouldn't I get in? 8<)
They'll probably both take off before some kind of merger so I doubt it matters..
When I read the transcripts of the PaperProphet Chronicles, I don't wonder *why* he bashes USSE & SSTP, I wonder why he won't come down and visit. We could all make a lot of money together. Why go and get yourself in trouble for no reason? Caution, though- unless you visit by boat you'll have a tough time finding us. We're 100 miles from Jackson MS or Baton Rouge airports either way.
Prellman
(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long; ST Rating- Buy; LT Rating- Strong Buy)
the good parson has some insight:
Author: parsonmac
In response to msg 3494 by Inventthefuture
Re: Baytown Meetings
That's not a very exclusive club right now I.T.F.... EVERYBODY on an SSTP board is all ears right now, but don't look for anything this week, and depending on how well the meetings go, maybe not next week!
Redwood said that the meetings are between their people and JR and the Board, and 'others' in all kinds of combinations and meetings off and on all week so people won't even be surfacing until next week...
And if anything groundbreaking is actually signed or agreed upon with a 'big' company, then things will get even quieter... the large name-brand companies are real sticklers for no leaks whatsoever to avoid people trading on inside into and will possibly even want to be in charge of what info will be released and when...
Hopefully, by the end of this week or soon next week, the company will be able to release SOMETHING of a GENERAL update, maybe some of the lab results from the test runs a coupla' weeks ago, or some kind of "State of the Union" address but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
I'm just glad for now that so many "good people" are now on the job and working hard to deliver this "little baby" and introduce it to America and beyond....
JR's not by himself anymore, groping around in the dark. He's got some great help, they now know what he has, so they can actually start making plans for development, construction, and having talks with folks who know that they need and want what SSTP can produce.
All in all, a LOT to be optimistic about!!
JUST IN CASE... repost from USSE board...
Obviously IF they are still installing tanks at Baytown...
and permits... PERMITS that are required... cannot be applied for UNTIL construction is completed (with all the rain hitting the area)...
then it is SAFE to say that there are NO sales YET.
BUT, there are meetings all week there, several people who live in the area have been doing regular drive-by sightings & reporting on observations...
PICS of the AmSpec on-site lab there have been posted and identified as such...
and the BioDigest writer actually LEAKED the part about Warren and let the cat out of the bag.
That is the tip of the iceberg... the article stated that Warren intended to blend the USSE biocrude in a 4% blend with petroleum they distribute for sale to meet the new GREEN initiative requirements. His article also said they would distribute to refiners by pipeline and barge.
I suppose you can find the article by googling BioDigest and USSE...
if not, ask for a link... I'm sure several of us can look it up on another site where it is posted and see that you get it.
Progress is progress even if it is not PRd or reported in filings!
The lack of PRs we can blame on those who have criticized everything JR PRd in the last year... this I know because he told me so!
Got that???? Do you get that? I... repeat I got that information right straight from the man himself. There is no need to delete this post!
JMO...
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well, the gestapo did not like
being told the information was not tainted by a Connecticut connection...
but if that had not been stated, it would have been assumed and gone anyway. Gone so fast I thought maybe I forgot to his "submit" so I posted it twice, same result... GONE!
But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express and got two PMs!
LMAO... damned if you do and damned if you don't!
ROTL... what a freaking joke!
For all of JR's flaws, I am certain that this will never be said of him:
“Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.” – Thomas Edison
I don't think he will be giving up on USSE or SSTP!
Highlighted for clarity...
Off the parson's lips... wisdom beyond genius!
By: grantg2
26 Jan 2008, 08:52 PM EST
Msg. 17031 of 17031
(This msg. is a reply to 17030 by Fairwayiron.)
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Fact is... and what has been said since AmSpec came aboard & tested it (perhaps said only by AmSpec at first)...
JR Juice is the vegetative, renewable equivalent of petroleum crude...
HENCE, the good parson's coined & now trademarked term Vertroleum!!!!
True enough JR's original thoughts about his process output was that it was a "biofuel"... and it still could be used as such IF ever there is so much that it makes sense to get it tested to sell as such... because we all saw what it could do in the Vidalia demo in Oct. 2006! TRY DOING any of those DEMO-day test runs of engines with petroleum crude right from the well head! JR Juice straight from the reactor IS still a superior biofuel compared to crude oil!
BUT AmSpec proved that JR juice can be refined into many, many products similar to (and meeting specs of) refined products derived from PETROLEUM crude oil!
BTW, petroleum crude oil seems to be a pretty good fuel for burning... as shown by the number of times the Iraqis decided to torch wells or crude oil to create havoc and pollute the environment when throwing a tantrum!
JMO...
And almost at the same time, parsonmac put more meat onto the skeleton I posted and turned it into Grey's Anatomy with tough muscle on those bones!
By: parson_mac
26 Jan 2008, 11:07 PM EST
Msg. 17035 of 17049
(This msg. is a reply to 17033 by robnjr.)
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Oh GREAT! I gete out and travel for one day
and the whole dang board goes "twilight zone" on me. I frankly don't know which is scarier, that an old man somewhere in Florida is giving French lessons to his pony and donkey, or that Fairway Iron has agreed with Bio on something AFTER apologizing to him...
I swear I don't know which is more unnatural... downright apocalyptic on a biblical scale! And to top it all off, Robn has reduced today's series of posts to a bunch of arguements of 'romantics' (whatever the heck that means!).
Well, I'm not as brilliant as some boxes of hair I've met, but I am a romantic, so I've got to weigh in here on the whole EPA, tier testing, new fuel requirements.... technical... science... thing.
And since I have no idea what the heck I'm talking about, I just MIGHT be on to something...
Some scientists (I read somewhere one time so it must be true) have re-thought the whole fossil fuel thing. Some believe it's not just old recycled dinosaurs, but petroleum is recycled ORGANICS of all kinds, flora AND fauna (not to be confused with the Misses Flora and Fauna Butterwitz of Sapsuckle, Arkansas), in other words, carbon-based sludge recycled deep near the earth's furnace...
Now if JR's enzyme/catalyst/pyrolysis combination 'reduces' a variety of biomass (cellulosically, that is) to a 'carbon-based' sludge with properties so similar to petroleum that it can be refined into substances with nearly identical hydrocarbon chains... then we're not really comparing 'rock' oil to 'vegetable' oil are we... ARE WE?!? I thought not...
We are comparing a raw carbon material to another raw carbon material, one slowcooking naturally over eons of time in the depths of Mother Earth, the other microwaved in JR's souped up reactor.
Lessee... what WAS my metaphor a coupla' months ago about industrial man-made diamonds vs. the 'natural kind'? One form of carbon under ONE kind of heat and pressure for eons vs a kingsford briquette (is that French for brickette? Ask that donkey next to your field Fairway and get back to me) a briquete in a man-made furnace under immense pressure.
Now (stay with me class!) the natural and man-made diamond both have the SAME hardness and physical properties according to Moe's Scale (whoever Moe was)....
Sooooo... technically speaking... I can see where ASTM standards met by a barrel of petroleum OR a barrel of vertroleum both run through a fractional distillation tower and yielding remarkably similar substances, say, GASOLINE... DIESEL... are essentially the same fuel.
Now then, to the uninformed and uneducated such as myself, a hydro-carbon chain is a hydro-carbon chain...
It it looks like a hydro-carbon chain, refines like a hydro-carbon chain, and burns like a hydro-carbon chain, it must be a hydro-carbon chain!!!
And THAT, my friends, is why refined vertroleum that meets current ASTM criteria's standard's fuels rules may, in fact, NOT need new tier testing.
Off the parson's lips... wisdom beyond genius!
By: grantg2
26 Jan 2008, 08:52 PM EST
Msg. 17031 of 17031
(This msg. is a reply to 17030 by Fairwayiron.)
Jump to msg. #
Fact is... and what has been said since AmSpec came aboard & tested it (perhaps said only by AmSpec at first)...
JR Juice is the vegetative, renewable equivalent of petroleum crude...
HENCE, the good parson's coined & now trademarked term Vertroleum!!!!
True enough JR's original thoughts about his process output was that it was a "biofuel"... and it still could be used as such IF ever there is so much that it makes sense to get it tested to sell as such... because we all saw what it could do in the Vidalia demo in Oct. 2006! TRY DOING any of those DEMO-day test runs of engines with petroleum crude right from the well head! JR Juice straight from the reactor IS still a superior biofuel compared to crude oil!
BUT AmSpec proved that JR juice can be refined into many, many products similar to (and meeting specs of) refined products derived from PETROLEUM crude oil!
BTW, petroleum crude oil seems to be a pretty good fuel for burning... as shown by the number of times the Iraqis decided to torch wells or crude oil to create havoc and pollute the environment when throwing a tantrum!
JMO...
And almost at the same time, parsonmac put more meat onto the skeleton I posted and turned it into Grey's Anatomy with tough muscle on those bones!
(although it got removed from an iHub board because it made reference to posters)
By: parson_mac
26 Jan 2008, 11:07 PM EST
Msg. 17035 of 17049
(This msg. is a reply to 17033 by robnjr.)
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Oh GREAT! I gete out and travel for one day
and the whole dang board goes "twilight zone" on me. I frankly don't know which is scarier, that an old man somewhere in Florida is giving French lessons to his pony and donkey, or that Fairway Iron has agreed with Bio on something AFTER apologizing to him...
I swear I don't know which is more unnatural... downright apocalyptic on a biblical scale! And to top it all off, Robn has reduced today's series of posts to a bunch of arguements of 'romantics' (whatever the heck that means!).
Well, I'm not as brilliant as some boxes of hair I've met, but I am a romantic, so I've got to weigh in here on the whole EPA, tier testing, new fuel requirements.... technical... science... thing.
And since I have no idea what the heck I'm talking about, I just MIGHT be on to something...
Some scientists (I read somewhere one time so it must be true) have re-thought the whole fossil fuel thing. Some believe it's not just old recycled dinosaurs, but petroleum is recycled ORGANICS of all kinds, flora AND fauna (not to be confused with the Misses Flora and Fauna Butterwitz of Sapsuckle, Arkansas), in other words, carbon-based sludge recycled deep near the earth's furnace...
Now if JR's enzyme/catalyst/pyrolysis combination 'reduces' a variety of biomass (cellulosically, that is) to a 'carbon-based' sludge with properties so similar to petroleum that it can be refined into substances with nearly identical hydrocarbon chains... then we're not really comparing 'rock' oil to 'vegetable' oil are we... ARE WE?!? I thought not...
We are comparing a raw carbon material to another raw carbon material, one slowcooking naturally over eons of time in the depths of Mother Earth, the other microwaved in JR's souped up reactor.
Lessee... what WAS my metaphor a coupla' months ago about industrial man-made diamonds vs. the 'natural kind'? One form of carbon under ONE kind of heat and pressure for eons vs a kingsford briquette (is that French for brickette? Ask that donkey next to your field Fairway and get back to me) a briquete in a man-made furnace under immense pressure.
Now (stay with me class!) the natural and man-made diamond both have the SAME hardness and physical properties according to Moe's Scale (whoever Moe was)....
Sooooo... technically speaking... I can see where ASTM standards met by a barrel of petroleum OR a barrel of vertroleum both run through a fractional distillation tower and yielding remarkably similar substances, say, GASOLINE... DIESEL... are essentially the same fuel.
Now then, to the uninformed and uneducated such as myself, a hydro-carbon chain is a hydro-carbon chain...
It it looks like a hydro-carbon chain, refines like a hydro-carbon chain, and burns like a hydro-carbon chain, it must be a hydro-carbon chain!!!
And THAT, my friends, is why refined vertroleum that meets current ASTM criteria's standard's fuels rules may, in fact, NOT need new tier testing.
http://www.investorvillage.com/beta/smbd.asp?mb=6776&mn=8566&pt=msg&mid=3981192
Posted by: greatday88
In reply to: PaperProphet who wrote msg# 58040
Date:1/26/2008 7:59:11 PM
Post #of 58049
I can make claims about my qualifaications without showing proof, claims would not show I know or understand the subject about what I post.
You say....
<Well let's see...
I know just enough about physics and chemistry to know
I know just enough about processes to know
I know just enough about startup companies to know
I know just enough about statistics to say that>
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=26299647
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Posted by: greatday88
In reply to: None
Date:1/27/2008 12:55:21 AM
Post #of 3250
PP, how about we ask JR for an invite to Baytown. Do you really think you know enough about the "Rivera Process" to make the statements and charges you have for the past year?
Wouldn't you rather visit Baytown, tour with JR, get the facts before continuing your posting style of the past year? Get the correct information and then post.
Flight and 3 nights in Houston would be about $425. This is a round trip, Saturday to Tuesday. We could meet in Houston, rent a car. Then we visit with JR and tour the Baytown facilities.
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You say....
<Well let's see...
I know just enough about physics and chemistry to know
I know just enough about processes to know
I know just enough about startup companies to know
I know just enough about statistics to say that>
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Posted by: grantg2
In reply to: greatday88 who wrote msg# 3249
Date:1/27/2008 7:18:11 AM
Post #of 3250
Before you make that offer speaking for JR and extending an invitation to Baytown, you'd better check with JR.
After all the damage PP's postings have done, and hardships caused by emailing and calling potential JV partners transmitting slanderous remarks about JR, I seriously doubt that JR would repeat the invitation that was extended to PP last April 2007!
I think at this point, John Rivera could care less about PaperProphet seeing the light about USSE/SSTP and the process, or anything else going on at Baytown... you might just call this opinion a 6th sense based upon responses to posts of mine that were on other boards yesterday!
FWIW... JMO...
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Don't expect the courtesy offered
by JR in April 2006 for a visit to Natchez to seek enlightenment to be repeated ever again to Baytown or anywhere else for some of the people with long negative slanderous,libelous postings.
The damage then compounded by bashers emailing and calling partners whose names appeared in PRs or posted on message boards such as this!
Someone in JR's position can overlook the damage and orchestrated attacks only so long... and then must begin actions necessary to defend against or prevent such attacks.
The total PR blackout and the aggravations some frustrated LONGS feel about it can be laid directly at the feet of the persistent bashers who have nothing worthwhile to say about obvious progress shown in all the pictures and things that have been announced since AmSpec got involved with the USSE/SSTP efforts!
JMO... but it is shared by people who would surprise you!
Grant.. LOL.. too funny... What?
One can't change a mind? More information today then back then. I believed back then and was alotta fun. I laugh when I think about that movie... It was my second movie ya know.... just re-posted for old times sake...
yes... and it has been struggling to get into existence/production since the late 1990s.
It has been getting patents around the globe since then... and it has several "failed" attempts to get something off the ground, first along environmental waste clean-up efforts...
and later in paper applications...
and even more recently in pharma, food, & cosmetics.
It is doubtful that they will have production before 2009... but CLKTF is still moving forward toward success IMO.
Interestingly enough, the nearest similar "mature" enterprise in the USA to it trades above 40 a share... based on an inferior product!
go figure... just do not know how long it will take for success to come.
giff.. IF you are now merely a "skeptic"...
then you have come back a ways from your video days when you went from pumping and promoting with enthusiastic videos...
to downright negative postings that concurred with many of the negative bashers...
I will allow that you have not been around much...so far as posting...
if that includes also NOT following the story as it unfolds, then you have missed a lot if progress and validation...
starting with AmSpec's first testing... which confirmed the other lab's stats about the "blend of JR Juice" except for the fact that AmSpec SAW what it really contained... and could be refined into!
So the next thing they did was schedule a retest... and decided to use a sample that they observed in production from feedstock input to collection of the biocrude! Then they made certain it NEVER left their custody from collection thru transport to their lab and testing a second time! THAT verified to Mrs. Boone and Ford that the JR Juice was the REAL DEAL!
From then on... AmSpec and those two gentlemen have been very high profile in advising JR and making introductions within the industry here in the USA IMO...
and since then it seems to me that only good things have been happening.
But feel free to remain a skeptic... I frankly do not care who buys or sells so long as it is legal activity...
as for the "shorts" or those manipulating the stocks to/for their own gain while harming the shareholders and the companies' reputations... I am all for prosecuting them to the fullest possible extent.
PaperProphet has a 10-year trail that is well documented even under his real name (dumb)... he is a no-brainer to go down IMO... and anyone he has cooperated with... an employer, others who have been on the basher bandwagon... all of whom can be traced and evidence subpoenaed!
The best part of it is that JR's suit will not be the trailblazing case... it has already been in court and case history exists in favor of the damaged company/party!
It is not of the highest priority for the companies or JR... but it is on the burner to be done. That is sufficient...
every dog will get his due on his day! Good or bad...
IF the damage is sufficient enough for JR and his lawyers to pursue the perps, then so far as my personal information as a participant in the class action... I will agree to be included against one and all! I have no special person I want punished... I want all who are culpable to go down!
If someone is too irrelevant to matter in the postings done, or facilitation of such efforts, then "oh well, not worth the bother for JR, not worth the bother for me!"
Go JR, USSE/SSTP! JMO...
Grant.. is it CalciTech?
http://www.calcitech.com/s/Home.asp
Interesting....
Humm.. I think I know some folks at Omya... wonder what they'd think?
Well grant.. negative?
I really don't know if JR has something or not... So I'm a skeptic...OK so what? The company has done everything to make me not believe... but with failures may come success. I guess only time will tell...
Yeh I haven't followed that close lately... I've told you that PP is a "stock vigilante". he's wacky... you know... crazy! Nutz! And JR has brought PP upon himself with his own actions.
But I truely want JR to have something! you have time to buy into this technology... IMO.. btw what's that German company? TIA
Here is a repost of the one you failed to read,
and understand the full meaning...
Here is another one worthy of reading
from Ron9... who I believe is the same Ron who lives near Natchez site (across the river) and has posted here about what he would see when driving by to look in for us:
Permits
Someone correct me if I am wrong but it is my understanding that USSE probably doesn't need permit to produce its Biocrude which is comparable to that of Crude oil being estracted from a well as a reference point. And SSTP doesn't need permit either to sell the Biocrude that they purchase from USSE. The biocrude, as I understand it, is not motor fuel yet. If SSTP does refine the Biocrude then they need to register and acquire permits for production and sale of fuel as such. If SSTP sells the Biocrude to someone else for refinement the that recipient would be the one in need of registeration and certification.
One of the reasons that permits have not been obtained yet may be related to the fact that they do not know exactly what fuel will be put on the market. And that knowledge will require testing of several different combinations of the fractionated fuel. With this scenario I can understand why there has been no registration, permits, or certification. USSE/SSTP are still on the ground floor, or should I say (step one) in acquiring a fuel to be sold for whatever purpose.
.............................
and then from sneaky 2:
Msg: 8513 of 8514 1/25/2008 10:40:41 PM
Author: sneaky2
Permits
Well wouldnt you know it, we dont need no darn permits!!!!! I have heard that somewhere!!!!!
........................
Wow! ASTM Standards
Could be a BINGO evaluation of the situation!
Texas Administrative Code
TITLE 30 ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
PART 1 TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
CHAPTER 114 CONTROL OF AIR POLLUTION FROM MOTOR VEHICLES
SUBCHAPTER H LOW EMISSION FUELS
DIVISION 2 LOW EMISSION DIESEL
RULE §114.315 Approved Test Methods
"(a) Compliance with the diesel fuel content requirements of this division must be determined by applying the appropriate test methods and procedures specified in the active version of American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) D975 (Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils), or the following supplementary methods, as appropriate. "
Based on the wording of that...
Looks like AmSpec + Testing of JR Juice by-products meeting the standard=
License to sell to or through GW WARREN & Co.
HOW VERY INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!
Then you must not see thru those eyes, giff...
Baytown & AmSpec are reality, bud!
It might take another year... but it is getting closer by the day...
also you must not have read the posts about the fuel standards and the GW Warren & Co. as a distributor...
that also is reality.
Much to the chagrin of those who hope for failure.
Frankly, I do not know what turned you negative... and I do not give a damn. But I feel certain that many of uf still long and hoping for eventual success consider you to be a part of the PP gang, along with CyGuy & other former longs who have turned to bashing.
JMO...
I'm 100% sure JR would have paid for PP to visit...
as you know I've always been a skeptic.. water half full stuff..
JR offer to pay for my trip... I paid for my own.
BTW.. more skepical then ever now.
Also, as I am sure I recall correctly...
and I am very sure Redwood could verify this...
At one point, JR offered to PAY for the trip so that PAID-FOR-PROFIT could come to Natchez for the April demonstrations!
The offer was made repeatedly... and no positive response to accept the offer was ever indicated by PaperProphet. He only continued to post multiple posts against the companies and JR day after day, week after week, month after month... as the harm to stockholders continued as the market lost confidence in the process and the PPS dropped lower and lower.
I own another start-up company in Germany that has a revolutionary technology... it has been moving slowly forward with good steady progress on applications and manufacturing, funding, etc... much the same as USSE/SSTP has been slowly moving forward...
funny thing is... it has never earned credible money and still is a year away from production with less done on a facility than what exists at Baytown... and yet, it has consistently traded at .25 or higher for the last two years... with two runs up to high .40s and mid-.60s for it PPS.
Probably USSE/SSTP could have had the same experience were it not for the constant attack of those we all know only too well!
This example for comparison is PART of the material I have documented for JR's attorney to have as a comparable circumstance without the efforts of PP and his cohorts!
You are welcome... very much!
IMO...
Here is another one worthy of reading
from Ron9... who I believe is the same Ron who lives near Natchez site (across the river) and has posted here about what he would see when driving by to look in for us:
Permits
Someone correct me if I am wrong but it is my understanding that USSE probably doesn't need permit to produce its Biocrude which is comparable to that of Crude oil being estracted from a well as a reference point. And SSTP doesn't need permit either to sell the Biocrude that they purchase from USSE. The biocrude, as I understand it, is not motor fuel yet. If SSTP does refine the Biocrude then they need to register and acquire permits for production and sale of fuel as such. If SSTP sells the Biocrude to someone else for refinement the that recipient would be the one in need of registeration and certification.
One of the reasons that permits have not been obtained yet may be related to the fact that they do not know exactly what fuel will be put on the market. And that knowledge will require testing of several different combinations of the fractionated fuel. With this scenario I can understand why there has been no registration, permits, or certification. USSE/SSTP are still on the ground floor, or should I say (step one) in acquiring a fuel to be sold for whatever purpose.
.............................
and then from sneaky 2:
Msg: 8513 of 8514 1/25/2008 10:40:41 PM
Author: sneaky2
Permits
Well wouldnt you know it, we dont need no darn permits!!!!! I have heard that somewhere!!!!!
........................
Wow! ASTM Standards
Could be a BINGO evaluation of the situation!
Texas Administrative Code
TITLE 30 ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
PART 1 TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
CHAPTER 114 CONTROL OF AIR POLLUTION FROM MOTOR VEHICLES
SUBCHAPTER H LOW EMISSION FUELS
DIVISION 2 LOW EMISSION DIESEL
RULE §114.315 Approved Test Methods
"(a) Compliance with the diesel fuel content requirements of this division must be determined by applying the appropriate test methods and procedures specified in the active version of American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) D975 (Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils), or the following supplementary methods, as appropriate. "
Based on the wording of that...
Looks like AmSpec + Testing of JR Juice by-products meeting the standard=
License to sell to or through GW WARREN & Co.
HOW VERY INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!
PAID-FOR-PROFIT is back at it...
Posted by: greatday88
In reply to: PaperProphet who wrote msg# 58030
Date:1/26/2008 3:56:13 AM
Post #58035 of 58036
PP, as you say...
"Whatever convinced those shareholders that it was worthwhile without seeing any real information to start is beyond me."
then I ask....
Whatever convinced you to make all those personal attacks against JR and calling USSE and SSTP a scam for the past year, without any real information or visiting the companies and JR, to really know the progress we have seen in building the two companies, was not in progress all that time?
Some stockholders have visited with JR, took a tour, and posted summary reports.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
greatday88... you might have included "for a period
of almost 10 years, starting back in 1998 with your attack upon JR posted on SiliconInvestor"... posting essentially the same attacks about JR personally, his process, and his company that have been posted here for the last two years!
Fact is, AmSpec, and two of its principal representatives, Neil Boone & Jim Ford... give JR all the credibility he needs to fend off the scurrilous attacks of those who have NO real clue about the technology or JR's process!
The pictures at Baytown show progress and construction/assembly of equipment that cannot be funded by selling company stock for pennies...
and the lack of PRs just shows that JR and associates are getting on with business and not worrying about the detractors on cyber message sites. How and when they deal with those who have done real harm awaits the future when it is time... meanwhile, business moves forward.
It is too bad we lost focus and progress from Oct '06 to about May '07 but there were a couple of loser companies and ventures that needed a leg up in the world themselves and managed to lead JR into thinking that Joint Ventures would be beneficial. Once that was clearly NOT the avenue toward success, he managed to find AmSpec....
and let's face it... AmSpec was convinced AFTER they tested JR juice and witnessed the process, taking samples that NEVER left their custody until verification tests reaffirmed initial lab results! Everything since then is BECAUSE of AmSpec's credibility and their involvement "sponsoring" JR with the right people!
IMO...
I posted that I have seen the DR Admiral's picture
presenting the DR award to JR.
That it was on another site that links are not allowed...to be posted on goose's USSE board...
The Ganz-Nazi deleted it an PM'd me that it violated his TOU!
LMAO... he thinks I really give a hoot... I posted it for the few who might have missed seeing it elsewhere!
It is valid USSE/SSTP information!
Bio says: Holy Shit!
The guy from BiofuelsDigest might have released info not ready for the public? I just called the company, they will contact George E. Warren, Jim Ford, and GreenStar, to explain the news was release prematurely.
Talk about spilling the beans!
Thank you,
BiofuelsDigest!
I wonder if there's any names he did leave out?
.................................
and... I wonder:
HOLY COW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does Kurt know about this?
LMAO
Posted by: speckulater
In reply to: None Date:1/15/2008 9:38:54 AM
Post #of 3204
Jim Ford on SSTP, Algae Testing
WOW!
from BioFuelsDigest:
Successful demonstration of bio-crude production capability in Texas; test results awaited from algae-to-crude test
In Texas, US Sustainable Energy conducted a successful demonstration of its soybean-to-crude oil production capabilities at its Baytown, TX facility. The biocrude producer is also awaiting lab results from a test of biocrude production using 20 pounds of algae as a feedstock.
The company recently installed a new production line at its Baytown facility, and has been successfully testing up to 1,000 gallons per day of soybean-based bio-crude production.
The company’s “Rivera” process, which is closely held as a trade secret, will produce fuels that will be certified at an on-site facility by Amspec. Amspec Senior VP Jim Ford, who serves on the board of the Americas Committee of the International Federation of Inspection Agencies, has recently joined the board of Sustainable Power, a related company that has licensed the Rivera process.
Following Amspec’s certification of each batch of biocrude, the company will transfer the certified oil to an onsite, Aspec-controlled storage facility. The certified biocrude will be then be sold to George E. Warren Co., a major wholesale petroleum distributor, which will have the option of distribution via pipeline or barge.
The initial production line has a capacity of 3 million gallons per year, and the company has plans in place to add additional lines, with potential maximum capacity of more than 1 million gallons per day at its 500-acre Baytown plant.
On Friday, the company ran its initial test of 20 pounds of 5% oil-content algae feedstock with 40 percent water content, and resulted in an ignitable oil product.
The algae was supplied by Green Star Products, which is negotiating with US Sustainable Energy to install a series of algae bioreactors at the Baytown facility, should test results be favorable.
Biocrude, as compared to biodiesel or ethanol, can be distributed using existing infrastructure, and when refined into gasoline or diesel fuel has the same performance and engine-wear characteristics as the corresponding fossil fuels, though derived from a sustainable feedstock that can be produced in large quantities with negiglible environmental impact.
http://biofuelsdigest.com/blog2/2008/01/15/successul-demonstration-of-bio-crude-production-capability-in-texas-test-results-awaited-from-algae-to-crude-test
.
Seems like the wheels are in motion......et z
DR News...
Posted by: ksusha_k
In reply to: ksusha_k who wrote msg# 57397 Date:1/10/2008 1:13:24 PM
Post #of 57404
DR news!
I have permission from DR officials and confirmation that John Rivera has been invited to the Dominican Republic by the President of the Country to receive an achievement award for renewable energy!
This will Happen PUBLICLY Monday! in the DR.
Information gets posted:
Posted by: speckulater
In reply to: None Date:1/9/2008 2:09:35 AM
Post #of 3138
BioCrude Production With No Problems
The word is the Reactor ran from 6am to 9pm producing biocrude with NO problems!
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
and then it gets goosed and everyone yammers for more information!
PICK UP the FREAKING phone and call... ya might get lucky and catch someone who will realize you are a dedicated long and will be willing to share just a bit of info...
then again, maybe NOT! Esp. if your primary boards are USSE on iHUb, USSE.PK at IV, and Raging Bullshix!
Posted by: grantg2
In reply to: Data Driven who wrote msg# 57363 Date:1/9/2008 9:38:18 AM
Post #of 57367
There were a number of big deals in Baytown
yesterday, and they were observing/discussing many things all day long...
it was not a pinochle tournament.
Since I did not see the reactor myself, I cannot confirm anything other than that everyone was in a celebratory mood about events of the day!
I wonder what would make so many folks happy?
Certainly not the PPS of either stock, or the opportunity to sell more USSE shares at a cent & a half!
YOU figure it out! There is only so much that a person answering a phone is allowed to tell you!
(Anything else I could say has already been deleted from here once... but can be read elsewhere!)
And we know that someone is still posting the SEC regularly about every word JR utters... since he is no longer posting on the GEC blog...
and while there was NOTHING illegal about him doing it, SOMEONE reported it (several perhaps did... running scared? tick, tock, tick, tock)...
and subsequently it was suggested to him that it would be better if he DID NOT post anything in order to assure no line got crossed!
So all of you who want information can either call, go look, or THANK those who gleefully post that they have emailed or called the SEC on JR yet one more time!
LMAO...
Posted by: whassup
In reply to: None Date:1/8/2008 10:09:54 AM
Post #57335 of 57335
Talk about scam's.......................
THE ohio State thinking they can beat a SEC team. 0-9.
................
LMAO... preservation before this post is goosed!
LMAO... looks like a double standard to me...
and I would say there is NO DD involved...
just rumor and herresay from the inside! IMO...
Posted by: CyGuy
In reply to: wererabbit who wrote msg# 1758 Date:1/3/2008 7:01:20 PM
Post #of 1764
Wererabbit, you obviously have a big chip on your shoulder about this company much as I do toward USSE. GRCO is moving forward on construction of the plant in California from what I've been told and more plants are on the horizon. You can believe or not believe but I do trust my sources. Ethanol will continue to be a very profitable business and other alternative sources that are cheaper than corn based will be needed. That is why I believe strongly in GRCO.
Posted by: SnakeOil
In reply to: SnakeOil who wrote msg# 57298 Date:1/5/2008 6:41:18 PM
Post #of 57302
For those interested check-out the GRCO board.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=7189
It will explain one person's motive for some of the negative talk in regards to USSE.
It's hard enough for a start-up to survive....They don't need help from people that only want to undermine their every move.
Regards,
Snake
Posted by: SnakeOil
In reply to: CyGuy who wrote msg# 57261 Date:1/3/2008 8:32:35 PM
Post #of 57265
Hey cyguy why are so down on USSE/SSTP?
I think you need to be looking at the real scam ONYI/GRCO/JMCP/MOFFITT!!!!
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2006_Dec_9/ai_n16883787
"The smaller plants, which Diversified Ethanol is now beginning to manufacture, are perfect for research and development."
The only plant they built is sitting in Natchez. These boys need to learn to pay their bills.
http://www.grainnet.com/articles/Diversified_Ethanol_Acquires_Building_for_Corporate_Headquarters_in_Eagle_Grove__IA-36633.html
"Today is a significant day for all of us as a company. One engineer told us that based on requests he's had for small plants, he thinks we will build these plants in the thousands, but it all starts with this one plant."
These nimrods have only built one!!
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2007_Jan_15/ai_n17115284
"The pilot plant is fitted to run on the new biofuel from the Rivera reactor, a patent-pending process which creates valuable 7-3-7 fertilizer along with biogas and 5 gallons of liquid biofuel per bushel of soybeans. Once running, the new ethanol plant will be fitted with a Rivera reactor so that it will be able to run on biomass. Friday evening, Iowa television WHO Channel 13 commented that of all of the ethanol plants being built, Diversified Ethanol may top them all, and compared the new biofuel reactor to the "Mr. Fusion" machine in the movie "Back to the Future" by Universal Studios, where the futuristic car ran on garbage."
Sounds like the only way they were going to make it was with JR'S HELP!!!
I am so glad JR backed out of this deal!!!
Regards,
Snake
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Msg: 69 of 177 (just a touch of heaven)
12/5/2007 12:25:30 AM
Author: parsonmac
Wow...
So this is what posting heaven is like?!?
Nice...
What cloud am I on? Am I on cloud 9? Is cloud 9 taken? Can I have Cloud 9?
I can't play the harp though... if you need a harmonica I'm your man, oh, and I sing tenor...
See you all at choir practice tomorrow...
......................................
http://www1.investorvillage.com/groups.asp?clear=1&mb=14022&pt=m
Drop by and check it out...it is free! PMs, IGGYs, & much more...
including everyone LONG and believing USSE/SSTP has the technology...
and interested in seeing progress and success.
IMO...
New insight to the damage done to LONGS and the company by PP, ezz, and all the howling hyenas:
(if this supposition should prove to be true)
Msg: 4819 of 4819
11/15/2007 7:01:30 PM
Author: BioMoneyMan
Let me explain!
My reasons for giving up posting until a PR is released has more to do with me than the company. I am irritated because its my opinion that JR and company have to get "special" permission to release a PR, this is causing delay in information and knowledge. The reason for "special" overseeing I think has to do with our SEC attorney, he must approve all PR's, so to get his approval the company must get additional letters from all parties involved in all deals, normaly this would not be needed to go public with a PR, but the SEC wants additional certification on all deals.
We can thank this bullxxxx on all the bashers that sent the SEC over 100 emails attacking the company and JR.
My opinion is the company is moving forward and many transactions have taken place, but we cannot confirm until its in a public PR. I still support JR and the company 100%, but he may have to step down to avoid this type of scrutiny. I would rather him run "things" from a lower position and dedicate his time to the reactors and refining.
Bells and whistles...
Date: 11/11/2007 2:32:22 PM
Subject: RE: Bold Text & other options
OK G...thanks. I have all the bells & whistles workin' now.
Much better...
R...
This board is SO MUCH better than iflub.
...............................................
Now I wonder where this was posted from? LMAO...
and there is NO goosestepper!
For sure it was not found on... though it is about... the USSE board!
I totally agree... after having 3 posts removed today just because I accused PAID-FOR-PROFIT of having an agenda... and cited parsonmac's post to him from somewhere else!
The USSE board here has gone from high readership to
"give a ship" readership!
Well, PAID-FOR-PROFIT... it's pretty bad when your blatantly dishonest behavior has a man of the cloth...
that EVEN FairwayIron vouches for his integrity and objectivity...
calling you out for spewing your AGENDA-driven false information!
Why don't you just find another line of HONEST work...
or find another company YOUR master will pay you for posting against?
Or are you so totally fixated on JR that you just cannot give it up?
USSE/SSTP is now his focus so it must be yours because you cannot afford professional help, is that it?
Perhaps parsonmac can steer you to a good community mental health agency! I'd bet all you have to do is ask...
JMO...
Posted by: grantg2
In reply to: geeps20 who wrote msg# 55960
Date:11/8/2007 9:31:09 AM
Post #55963 of 55963
"This is a message board where all opinions, both positive and negative should be able to be heard..investors can then make up own minds. His points are certainly valid."
Perhaps so... but constantly harping on USSE's past while ignoring what is happening in TX as verified by pictures...
regardless of the absence of any PR about what USSE/SSTP are up to...
is about as useful as looking up JR's rear end to see what he ate for breakfast this morning!
So... y'alll have a great day... keep an eye on the wrong end of things...
and keep telling us what isn't getting done!
JMO...
Ok. Crazier than a shithouse rat...better ?...et z
"bit deranged" ?
unless some money involved to his advantage.. IMO.. He must be paid by some stock activism group something.
if not, he's like very (not a bit) deranged.. possessed..
He's a tick, and his head is buried DEEP. Also by now a bit deranged, ......come to think of it ....always HAS been deranged.....z
Yeh King.. the saga continues... turning points here are like da Grand Prix race! so wait'n with bated breath!
Don't freaking bet on it...
he's left a decade of tracks in postings following JR on the internet!
giff, it looks like we may be at a turning point for USSE/SSTP with all of the activity going in in TX. are you still in?
You can't honestly think PP is worried?
can you?
I guess someone could cause him to have to spend a few bucks.. but lose.. no way.
OT? Food for thought this week...
Up north many farms are no more than a few
hundred acres... LOL... compared to the vast wheat fields in the plains, or the sprawling ranches in the Southwest.
I wonder... just how much selling off a tree and cheese farm of a few hundred acres would bring...
and I'm wondering because...
$8 million is probably MORE than a PAID-FOR-PROFIT poster who spends ALL DAY, EVERY DAY... on RB, on iVillage, and in Hubville probably has to his name!
ROTFLMAO... and that does not count the legal fees!...
How ironic that Silicon Investor will give it all up... every daggone private detail about a fellow when the slightest pressure is applied!
Looks Hubville will do the very same thing since they are the SISTER to Silicon Investor:
I firmly believe help@ADVFN.com will give them ALL UP once it receives an inquiry (subpoena) for the information.
GEESE will probably "squeal & honk loud enough to hear nationwide" when contacted...
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH well, so much for the nobility of principle and the furtherance of bashing JR/USSE/SSTP.
What a nightmare to have to ponder ever night from now on... indefinitely...
before sleep overtakes you IF you happen to be a PERP fitting this scenario...
or one who MIGHT be considered equally culpable...
an elf, or pwrplantnukie, or or robin...
until the other shoe drops...
IF JR HAS A NEW RICH FRIEND who takes a dim view of damaging the company!
Who would know the list of names JR MIGHT have had passed on to lawyers to see if they crossed the line... that seems to be getting defined in the "think-tank" circles of the halls of ivey and getting tested in courts...
YEP... this has sure been a fun SOAP OPERA... beginning to have ALLLLLL THE ELEMENTS OF A THRILLER SHOW!
IMHO....
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First spam post will get you banned.
The only drawback to this is that IHub won't let you post here unless you pay IHub for a membership. But on Friday afternoons (Happy Hour), EVERYBODY can post....so save up your thoughts and post them then.
Here, you'll never see the likes of certain 'people' trashing USSE/SSTP........z
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