Adult Political Discussion

[Susie924]

What the heck happened to this board?

I could go and delete a good portion of the recent posts but I doubt if it will change anything.

So much for "adult" political discussion. I guess it really doesn't exist.

[fuagf]

Here's the first i got Susie, it supports the other two opinions you have here.

Jeez, Dick, we know you hate the Clintons, but why exactly did that
mean you had to go on the payroll of the market fundamentalist right?

How about this for the next bio of Morris: "Disgusting: How a Reasonably Smart Guy that Once
Seemed to Have Some Interest in Contributing to Society Became an Ann Coulter Wannabe and
Useful Hand Puppet for the Most Destructive Right Wing Forces In American Policy and Politics."

http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/?p=984

an excerpt, from the first one.

[Susie924]

Madoff investor found dead of possible suicide

By ADAM GOLDMAN, Associated Press Writer Adam Goldman, Associated Press Writer 12 mins ago

NEW YORK – The founder of an investment fund that lost millions with Bernard Madoff was found dead Tuesday at his Madison Avenue office of a possible suicide, authorities said.

Authorities found the body of Rene-Thierry Magon de la Villehuchet just before 8 a.m. at his office of Access International Advisors, located on Madison Avenue a couple of blocks from Rockefeller Center.

A French newspaper is reporting that the 65-year-old de la Villehuchet committed suicide. The New York medical examiner spokeswoman says it has not determined the cause of death yet.

Madoff is accused of running a $50 billion Ponzi scheme that wiped out investors around the world, with big funds like de la Villehuchet's $1.4 billion Access International Advisers being especially hard hit.

A former business partner said that de la Villehuchet came from a long line of aristocratic Frenchmen, with the Magon part of his name referring to one of France's most powerful families.

His fund enlisted intermediaries with links to the cream of Europe's high society and jet set to garner clients. Among them was Philippe Junot, a French businessman and friend who is the former husband of Princess Caroline of Monaco.

De la Villehuchet, the former chairman and CEO of Credit Lyonnais Securities USA, was also known as a keen sailor who regularly participated in regattas and was a member of the New York Yacht Club.

He lived in an affluent suburb in Westchester County with his wife. There was no answer Tuesday at the family's two-story house, which has a majestic view of a pond.

"He's irreproachable," said Bill Rapavy, who was Access International's chief operating officer before founding his own firm in 2007.

De la Villehuchet's death came as swindled investors began looking for ways to possibly recoup their losses. Hedge funds, which lost big to Madoff, are also coming up against investor lawsuits, since they had a fiduciary responsibility to protect their clients.

A handful of lawsuits have already been filed, all claiming that the hedge funds failed to properly vet Madoff and overlooked some red flags that could have steered them away.

___

[Susie924]

Bush pardons 19, commutes 1 prison term
By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer Deb Riechmann,

Associated Press Writer 51 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Before leaving for the holidays, President Bush on Tuesday commuted the prison sentence of a drug offender and granted 19 pardons, including one to a man who helped the Jewish resistance in the 1940s.

With this latest batch, which includes forgiveness for convictions ranging from gun and drug violations to bank and mail fraud, Bush has granted a total of 191 pardons and nine commutations. That's fewer than half as many as Presidents Clinton or Reagan issued during their two terms.

Included in the latest list is Charles Winters, who is considered a hero in Israel.

Winters, who died in the 1980s in Florida, was in the airplane business after World War II. He bought up former military cargo planes and used them to transport fruit and other products. He later started helping his Jewish friends who were shipping arms to Jews trying to found their own state in the Middle East.

Winters, a Protestant from Boston, could fly his planes in and out of the region without interference from authorities. In 1948, three of his planes left Miami, picked up weapons in Azores and Czechoslovakia and then left the planes and arms in Palestine.

Winters was convicted of violating the Neutrality Act, fined $5,000 and sentenced to serve 18 months in prison. The act is designed to ensure that financial assistance and arms are not provided to parties in foreign conflicts where the U.S. has not taken sides.

Two others, Herman Greenspun and Al Schwimmer, also were convicted of violating the act, but they did not serve time. President Kennedy pardoned Greenspun in 1961. President Clinton pardoned Schwimmer in 2000.

Reginald Brown, an attorney who worked on the Winters pardon, said Bush's pardon "rights a historical wrong and honors Charlie's belief that the creation of the Jewish state was a moral imperative of his time. ... Charlie Winters helped shape human history for the better."

Film director Steven Spielberg wrote a letter to Bush appealing for a pardon for Winters.

"There are probably many unsung heroes of America and of Israel, but Charlie Winters is surely one of them," wrote the director of "Schindler's List" and other Oscar-winning movies. "While a pardon cannot make Charlie Winters whole, and regrettably he did not live to see it, it would be a fitting tribute to his memory and a great blessing to his family if this pardon is granted."

The only other pardon granted posthumously in recent years was given to Henry O. Flipper, the first black graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. Flipper was drummed out of the Army after white officers accused him of embezzling about $3,800 from commissary funds. Flipper initially discovered the funds missing from his custody and concealed their disappearance from superiors, hoping the money would return.

He was court-martialed, acquitted of embezzlement but convicted of conduct unbecoming an officer, and dishonorably discharged. Flipper went on to a successful civilian career as an engineer and expert in Spanish and Mexican land law. He wrote several books and worked as a special assistant to the U.S. interior secretary. In 1976, an Army board commuted Flipper's dismissal to a good conduct discharge, concluding that his conviction and punishment were "unduly harsh and unjust." In 1999, Clinton granted him a full pardon.

In addition to Winters, others granted pardons were:

_William Alvis III, of Flushing, Ohio. Possession of an unregistered firearm and cocaine distribution.

_John Allen Aregood of Riviera, Texas. Conspiracy to harbor and transport illegal aliens.

_Eric Charles Blanke of Parker, Colo. Counterfeiting.

_Steve Doyle Cavender of The Villages, Fla. Conspiring to import, possess, distribute and dispense marijuana.

_Marie Elena Eppens of Lynden, Wash. Conspiracy to distribute and to possess with intent to distribute marijuana.

_Lydia Lee Ferguson of Sun City, Ariz. Conspiracy to distribute and to possess with intent to distribute marijuana.

_Eduviges Duvi Gonzalez-Matsumura of Clovis, Calif. Aiding and abetting embezzlement of bank funds.

_George Clarence Greene Jr. of Gray, Ga. Mail fraud.

_James Won Hee Kang of South Barrington, Ill. Trafficking in counterfeit goods.

_Alan Stephen Maiss of Reno, Nev.

_Richard Harold Miller of Tallahassee, Fla. Conspiracy to defraud the United States.

_Delano Abraham Nixon of Neosho Rapids, Kan. Forging the endorsement on a U.S. Treasury check.

_John H. Overholt of Black Hawk, S.D. Concealment of information affecting Social Security benefits.

_Morris Keith Parker of Georgetown, S.C.

_Robert Truman Reece of Redondo Beach, Calif.

_Donald Edward Roessler of Harrison, Ohio. Embezzlement of mail matter.

_Issac Robert Toussie of Brooklyn, N.Y. False statements to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development and mail fraud.

_David Lane Woolsey of St. George, Utah. Aiding and abetting violation of the Archaeological Resources Protection Act.

Bush also commuted the prison sentence of Reed Raymond Prior of Des Moines, Iowa.

Prior was convicted of possession of methamphetamine with intent to distribute. He was sentenced in 1996 in the Southern District of Iowa to life in prison with 10 years of supervised release. His prison sentence is now set to expire on Feb. 23, 2009, but the terms of the commutation leave intact and in effect the 10 years of supervised release with all its conditions.

[woofer]

Chuckling.....I reread what you said, and realized that the way you phrased it actually makes your statement correct. But it's like saying that one kick in the shin is better than four.
English is my fourth language. hehehe

[Rawnoc]

The trade deficit was biggER during good times than it is now during bad.

This isn't difficult.

[woofer]

EDIT: Rawnoc, so now you're saying that our economy is good? After all, the trade deficit is still large.

"And the trade deficit is always bigger with a better economy."

EDIT here:

Actually it's 100% true. Is English your second language?

Are you having a problem reading my messages?

[Rawnoc]

Actually it's 100% true. Is English your second language?

[woofer]

The trade deficit is shrinking BUT what you said in that statement isn't necessarily true...now, is it?

[Rawnoc]

I stand by that statement. And since the economy is weaker and the trade deficit is shrinking, I guess that basic statement from the first month of Economics 101 was correct?

"And the trade deficit is always bigger with a better economy."

[woofer]

My "hmmmm" was about this statement of yours......

"And the trade deficit is always bigger with a better economy."

And to answer your question, NO, I never shorted a stock, and in fact, I gave up trading in 2001 or 2002 (I forget).

[Rawnoc]

Actually I was shorting the Bejesus out of homebuilder and lenders and was very very very very vocal about it being the esaiest money you will ever make. Been saying that with hundreds of detailed posts since 2006.

Did you join me and make money or were you just mouth?

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=26420998

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=21739491

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=13982275

[woofer]

hmmmm.......
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=5820330

[woofer]

Soooo, Rawnoc, what were you saying about the economy three years ago? Almost 3 years ago for me....
http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=AFFAIR&read=167295

[dropdeadfred]

lentinman should get paid.. He called the housing bubble in the summer of 2005 :)

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.aspx?board_id=3979

[Susie924]

I guess they all get paid a lot and really know a little.

Thanks for the article.

[Rawnoc]

Being Wrong for Five Years Makes Peter Schiff Right Now?

http://seekingalpha.com/article/106824-being-wrong-for-five-years-makes-peter-schiff-right-now

"The problem? Here is Schiff in 2002: Schiff predicts Nasdaq 500 and Dow 4000"

[quantumdot]

LOL at Arthur Laffer. What a complete joke.

[dropdeadfred]

OT.. funny dog

http://www.dogwork.com/dogsnow/

[VivaLasVegas]

Who does the FEDERAL RESERVE answer to?

Who are the puppeteers of these bozo puppets in Govt and it's Agencies today?

[Susie924]

OT

Sears Heroes at Home Wish Registry

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/dap_10153_12605_DAP_Heroes+at+Home+Holiday+Brwse

[Susie924]

I watched Rice not answer the very first question and Gregory not really push her to answer it and then I changed the channel.

As for Cheney, there is nothing that he says that is worth listening to IMO.

I'll be glad when we don't have to see the members of the current administration on the Sunday morning talk shows unless they are showing them on trial.......which will never happen.

[poorgradstudent]

In case anyone is interested in the living legacy of George Orwell, there is some classic Orwellian speak during Sec. of State Rice's interview on Meet the Press today.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28337897/

Also, Dick Cheney was channeling Nixon on Fox news today, noting that if a president undertakes an action during wartime then it is generally legal. He stated such actions would be in defense of the constitution. I guess the irony of allowing a president to wield executive power practically unchecked in defense of the constitution was lost upon the vice president.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,470706,00.html

[Past and present]

Dear Poorgradstudent... I'am sorry as you..just reporting and posting the PR News as reported by National News, who help elect the PREZ-Elect...

[StephanieVanbryce]

Posted by: SoxFan Date: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:59:14 PM

well I guess if you prefer to remain ignorant I'll not waste any more time with you.

msg# 148159 Post # of 148168

[StephanieVanbryce]

SCAMELOT is coming on Jan. 20 at 1pm est!

[poorgradstudent]

>You put down prostitutes .. & are trying to get me to ignore it .. I will not. <


This is exactly what I said in #3603:

"There's really nothing redeemable about the guy... unless you're a prostitute and want to overhear the president on a phone call."

There is clearly no judgment of prostitutes in this statement. I am obviously critical of Morris' judgment in allowing someone in his company to eavesdrop on conversations with the president.

Please do try and stick with the actual content of my posts rather then trying to assign some non-existent moral judgment.

[StephanieVanbryce]

it is so obvious why You are poor.

[StephanieVanbryce]

NO. the poster only posted an article - by someone I consider an idiot ..
it's really revealing that you defend Dick Morris ..

LMAO

[StephanieVanbryce]

Oh btw, do YOU also agree with homophobes & anti pro - choice democrats . ..?

[poorgradstudent]

>Peter Schiff Was Right 2006 - 2007<

Mr. Schiff was right in respect to house prices, and was demonstrably not the only one.

Where I'm skeptical is his emphasis on the people borrowing to buy the homes. I think the magnitude of the decline is more related to the increased leverage that investment houses used to create securities based on the mortgages. I think that is where the real inflation (or faux creation) of value was introduced.

[StephanieVanbryce]

You put down prostitutes .. & are trying to get me to ignore it .. I will not.

[StephanieVanbryce]

LoL ..

[poorgradstudent]

>Sheesh .. How dense are You ..? <

You should refrain from such judgments and putdowns. I only ask that when other readers inquire, people provide some insight on the substance of the articles they post.

Your only comment is an admission that you've reposted an article from someone you consider an idiot. It fails to add to the discourse.

[dropdeadfred]

I didn't, he was one of the reasons I was on the Ron Paul side.

[StephanieVanbryce]

Sheesh .. How dense are You ..?

I think DM is an idiot .. DUH.

[poorgradstudent]

Do you have any insight or commentary on this article that you've reposted?

Thanks.

[poorgradstudent]

Do you have any insight or commentary on this article that you've posted?

Thanks.

[StephanieVanbryce]

Yes. Because the previous poster posted an article by Dick Morris - the Toe Sucker.

[poorgradstudent]

Your next post after 3601 was about sucking toes.

Then some irrelevant judgment about toe sucking and BJs in politics. At which point I asked if you have any insight in regards to the content of the original article.


Sigh...

[StephanieVanbryce]

Obviously your reading stopped at 3601 ..

[poorgradstudent]

You posted the article in message 3601.

I thought you might have some insight on it? Or were you just cross-posting?

[StephanieVanbryce]

His name is Past and Present ..
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/profile.asp?user=29182

[StephanieVanbryce]

Why do you not ask the author of the post ?

[poorgradstudent]

Yes, I read the article.

But instead of giving us some insight on it, you went in the direction of toe sucking and BJs.

A listing of Clinton's donors is about as remarkable as George HW Bush's cadre of clients and their impact on US policy.

So perhaps you could give us some interpretation of how you think this situation is different than any other, and how it will differentially impact US policy?

[StephanieVanbryce]

If you do not understand .. well.

You thought you had some insight or You would not have posted what you posted .

It started with this post.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=34318225

[poorgradstudent]

What are you talking about???

Is there a point or an insight you have with respect to the article you posted?

[StephanieVanbryce]

Let's face it - in the political world.. BJs & Toe Sucking equals BAD.. !

apparently no one approves of either .. .. in the phony, hypocritical 'political world'....at least - in which we live.

[StephanieVanbryce]

Dick Morris likes to suck toes ..



Are You putting prostitutes down ..?? unless you're a prostitute and want to overhear the president on a phone call...by Poorgradstudent

I resent your putting prostitutes down - the 'men' who need this, well, let's just say "they need this" .. the sex trade that supplies this 'need' .. frankly, doesn't care who is talking to who - They are much more interested in paychecks ...

Dick Morris - sucking toes
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/honors/002

gee............can't imagine why he fell out of favour with the Clintons .. .. what are you gonna do ..?? . .LoL .. approve of toe sucking ..??

[Susie924]

Peter Schiff Was Right 2006 - 2007 (2nd Edition)

Many laughed at him.