agreed. i still feel the product is solid. the downfall was Billy and Allan's inept mgmt of the public entity. fully agreed that Asher was the beginning of the downward spiral. but don't try to tell V6 that… ;) i got out last spring, salvaging a decent chunk of my ante, but still lost solid 4-figures here. truly a sad turn of events. i just hope karma finds its way into the Asher camp at some point.