DesertDrifter -- interesting, did not know that, thanks -- Descartes at least not directly along my route to that (via critical philosophy -- e.g. [items linked in] http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=53100487 and http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=53138656 ) -- a very basic, the most basic, ontological given then again, from "COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS OF WORLD (RELIGIOUS) PHILOSOPHIES" ( http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=25446998 ): Rationalism I Shit, therefore I am. Existentialism I am, therefore I Shit.