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The Duggars Respond To Sexual Abuse Scandal
Published on May 29, 2015 by Funny Or Die [ http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzS3-65Y91JhOxFiM7j6grg / http://www.youtube.com/user/FunnyorDie , http://www.youtube.com/user/FunnyorDie/videos ]
Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar, stars of 19 Kids and Counting, finally come forward to tell their side of totally covering up their son Josh's sexual molestation scandal.
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Gothard’s ATI and the Duggar Family’s Secrets
Jim Bob Duggar and Bill Gothard at an ATI conference.
Source: http://www.duggarfamily.com/ .
By Wende Benner, HA Editorial Team
Posted on May 23, 2015
Content Warning: Spiritual Victim Blaming
The recent revelation that Josh Duggar admittedly [ http://www.people.com/article/josh-duggar-molestation-accusations-duggars-respond ] molested five young girls as a teenager has taken over social media for the last two days. There has been a wide array of reactions and speculations. But, for many who were raised in the same quiverfull and patriarchal homeschool world, this has been a time of reliving their own traumas brought about by that dysfunctional culture. Those who lived it know all too well how the teachings and attitudes that are part of the Duggar family’s life affect families, victims, and even offenders.
The Duggar family’s involvement in Bill Gothard’s Advanced Training Institute (ATI) homeschool program adds complexities to this story which are unknown to the average person. The underlying principles and beliefs the Duggars have built their lives around actually help groom and shame victims, help hide grievous abuse, and even keep offenders from receiving needed help.
The lessons learned from birth in homes like the Duggar’s strip children of their voice and agency. Starting with blanket training [ https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/tag/blanket-training/ ] babies and toddlers understand quickly that disappointing a parent leads to swift and painful consequences. As they grow, it becomes clear that simply doing what is expected is not enough. It must be done instantly and cheerfully [ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2014/06/quoting-quiverfull-the-four-points-of-obedience-for-the-duggar-kids/ ]. Children are even forbidden to seek out the logic behind the request, as kids are prone to do, because that is seen a making excuses or delaying obedience. The consequences of failing to meet these expectations are severe. Gothard and the Duggars believe that spankings are necessary to save a child from their inborn nature to do evil, and these are not just any spankings. The Duggars endorse [ http://thewartburgwatch.com/2014/04/30/the-duggars-promote-bill-gothard-and-the-pearls/ ] the child abuse methods taught by the Pearls [ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2013/09/homeschoolers-anonymous-a-series-on-michael-pearl.html ]. Growing up in an environment of fear, where questions are seen as rebellious, eventually makes children unable to speak up for themselves. They become unable to trust their own judgment of what is right and wrong. These children are the perfect targets for abuse; they do not know how to advocate for themselves.
Also, from a young age the children are instructed in God’s plan for their gender. Strict gender roles are the foundation of a patriarchal system. Girls learn their role is to be wives, mothers, and keepers at home. Most people know that for the Duggar family this includes the expectation of having as many children as possible. Michelle Duggar is also outspoken about her beliefs on a wife’s subservient role [ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithgoespop/2012/02/michelle-duggars-tips-for-a-happy-marriage/ ] and need to be sexually available [ http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/02/13/michelle_duggar_s_secret_to_a_happy_marriage_with_jim_bob_never_say_no_to.html ] to her husband. Children learn by watching their parents that men hold the power. This is detrimental for both boys and girls. Neither learns to have a healthy relationship without the power differential already in place.
All of this is accompanied by one of Bill Gothard’s 7 Basic Principles, Authority [ http://billgothard.com/about/whatiteach ] (these principles are the foundation to his Institute in Basic Life Principles seminar). This concept is taught with a diagram of umbrellas, which represent protection.
Notice the man has authority over the entire household. The teaching claims that as long as the father has no holes in his umbrella-sin in his life, then nothing bad can happen to the rest of the family. However, any member of the family can step out from under the father’s protection if they sin. Then all manner of evil can happen to that person. Therefore, if something bad, like a sexual assault, happens to you and your father hasn’t done anything wrong, it must be your fault. Knowledge of this fact keeps many from even disclosing their abuse. They are aware that questions about sin in their life are likely to follow any revelation of their violation.
In Gothard’s world there are many other ways in which sexual abuse can be the victim’s fault. At the ATI student’s Counseling Seminar students are taught Gothard’s method of helping victims of sexual assault. The handout pictured here is part of the teaching material.
Students are taught to question the victim if they had any fault in the assault. The most obvious way they would be at fault is if they defrauded their attacker. Defraud [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2014/02/defrauding-what-does-it-mean/ ] is Gothard’s favorite word for any dress, actions, or manners that cause someone to lust. This teaching is further backed up by a handout on moral failure [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/media/Lessons_From_Moral_Failures_in_a_Family1.pdf ] released in the 90s after an ATI boy was caught molesting his sisters.
With this teaching a case can easily be made to blame the victim in some way. The feelings of arousal the offender felt must have been caused by some fault of the victim.
Defrauding is not the only way a victim can be at fault. Gothard also teaches that if a victim fails to “cry out” or be alert (one of the 49 required character traits everyone should have) enough to have anticipated the assault, then the victim bears responsibility. The story of Tamar, daughter of King David, is used to illustrate [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2012/04/character-sketches-or-sketchy-characters-dinah-and-tamar/ ] this point. It is easy to see how these teaching have set up a system where the victim bears the blame. Anyone raised with these beliefs is set up to struggle with a lifetime of shame and guilt while still bearing the scars of their abuse.
Before the victim has a chance to make sense of what has happened to them or deal with the chaos of emotions, they will also be reminded of another one of Gothard’s 7 Basic Principles-Suffering [ http://billgothard.com/about/whatiteach ]. This principle emphasizes the necessity of forgiveness and has dire warnings about the consequences of unforgiveness [ http://www.lighthouselibrary.com/pdf/GENERAL%20TEACHINGS%20%5BA%20-%20K%5D/BITTERNESS-TEAR%20DOWN%20STRONGHOLDS%20%5BBill%20Gothard%5D.pdf ]. If a victim fails to forgive, bitterness will take root in their heart, and bitterness causes pieces of your soul to be given to Satan. Satan will then build strongholds on this piece of your soul.
This teaching is also echoed in the handout from the Counseling Seminar. Victims are to be reminded that their soul has more value than their bodies, so forgiving the offender must be the priority. Any suffering caused by the assault is then brushed aside.
The Duggars assured the public Josh’s victims have received counseling. Yet, the type of counseling taught in their world does not promote healing. It teaches shame. How can these young people be expected to heal from such a violation with these principles guiding the process?
The Duggars also claim that Josh received counseling. It is reported this counseling was done over three months at an old VA hospital in Little Rock, AK. While there he did construction work. The old hospital was donated to Bill Gothard [ http://www.arktimes.com/arkansas/a-day-shelter-in-the-old-va/Content?oid=865453 ] for use as a training center. The Integrity Construction Institute was at that time a part of this facility. Evidence that manual labor is an effective treatment for sex offenders is hard to come by. Construction work alone would be a disservice to someone seeking help.
It is important to note that any counseling received from someone associated with ATI would be driven by the belief that mental disorders do not exist [ http://www.cellsea.com/video/detail/V525469cbb76ef.htm ]. This approach to counseling would be ineffective to address the very nature and needs of a serial molester.
Any counsel Josh did receive would probably be similar to the counsel noted earlier, in the handout on moral failure [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/media/Lessons_From_Moral_Failures_in_a_Family1.pdf ] from the 90s.
With close examination it becomes clear that the boy referenced learned a lesson on shifting blame. The victims were blamed for their lack of modesty. The parents were blamed for their lack of teaching. The offender learned to see how others have failed and have caused his problems. This approach would not bring any lasting change in someone needing serious help.
Josh Duggar’s situation as a teen was critical. Studies [ http://www.smart.gov/SOMAPI/sec2/ch5_treatment.html ] show that young offenders who are able to get the right kind of help reduce their probability of reoffending by more than 50%. Yet, as far as we can tell, that kind of help was not available to him. The ATI system of counseling not only fails the victims but the offenders as well.
This toxic system of beliefs originated with Bill Gothard, a man who had to resign from his own ministry last year when faced with dozens of allegations of sexual harassment and abuse. Even though Michelle and Jim Bob were aware of this, they still continued to use these teaching in their home and promote them using their fame. They also continued to speak and teach at the annual ATI family conferences [ http://issuu.com/iblp/docs/2015_conference_guide_final/1?e=6576605/11202285 ]. They have failed to see how their own system of belief has contributed to the devastation in their own family and in the ministry they promote.
The secrets the Duggar family hid all these years have tragic and devastating effects. The lives of five victims will be permanently altered. ATI only helped cover their abuse. ATI also was unable to provide the necessary counseling that Josh Duggar desperately needed at that time. The consequences of that failure could have changed to course of his life.
Bill Gothard’s cult creates a world in which abuse thrives in secret, and those that need help the most are silenced and shamed.
Wende’s Benner [ https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/author/webbspinner/ , http://www.rawstory.com/author/wende/ ]’s family began homeschooling the first year it was legal in NC. She was homeschooled grades 3-12 in a family that became increasingly more fundamentalist each year. They eventually joined Gothard’s ATI, which they continued until she left home.
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Education Program Used By Duggars Has 'Horrific' Sex Abuse Teachings, Ex-Student Says
WASHINGTON - SEPTEMBER 17: Michelle (L) and Jim Bob Duggar of The Learning Channel TV show '19 Kids and Counting' speak at the Values Voter Summit on September 17, 2010 in Washington, DC. The annual summit drew nearly two thousand people to advocate for conservative causes.
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By Hilary Hanson
Posted: 05/26/2015 4:44 pm EDT Updated: 05/28/2015 1:59 am EDT
The home education program used by the Duggar family teaches disturbing, victim-blaming lessons about sexual abuse, a former student of the program says.
Shortly after news broke that "19 Kids and Counting" star Josh Duggar was accused of molesting five underage girls -- some of whom were his sisters -- as a young teen, documents about sexual abuse purportedly published by the Advanced Training Institute (ATI) [ http://ati.iblp.org/ati/ ] began re-circulating [ http://gawker.com/the-duggar-homeschool-programs-terrifying-advice-on-sex-1706406324 ] online [ https://twitter.com/SarahEvonne/status/601838249959620608 ]. The Duggars are actively involved [ http://www.duggarfamilyblog.com/2014/04/duggars-in-big-sandy-photos.html ] with the conservative Christian homeschooling program, and People reports [ http://www.people.com/article/inside-josh-duggar-treatment- ] that ATI’s parent organization, the Institute in Basic Life Principles (IBLP), runs the facility where Jim Bob and Michelle sent their son for counseling after they learned of the abuse in 2003.
One document, “Counseling Sexual Abuse [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2013/04/how-counseling-sexual-abuse-blames-and-shames-survivors/ ],” strongly suggests that victims are to blame for their own abuse. The guide instructs victims to ask themselves “Why did God let it happen?” and offers potential reasons like “immodest dress,” “indecent exposure” and “being with evil friends.”
The handout was originally posted by Recovering Grace [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/ ], an organization dedicated to “helping people whose lives have been impacted” by ATI and IBLP, in 2013 -- long before the allegations against Josh Duggar made headlines.
John Cornish, one of the team members who runs Recovering Grace, told The Huffington Post that he remembers attending an ATI convention as a teen in 1997 and personally hearing Bill Gothard, the IBLP founder, going over the "Counseling Sexual Abuse" document.
“At that point in time, I barely even knew what sexual abuse was,” Cornish recalled. “However, I remember that he was basically telling us that sexual abuse wasn't all that terrible because it only affected one's body, and not the more important parts of our being: soul and spirit.”
Cornish called Gothard's advice "horrific," noting that program's guidelines not only "question whether the abused was at fault," but also try to convince a victim that being abused was a good thing.
Cornish added that “for the thousands of families in the ATI program, Gothard would be the first place they would turn” in a case of sexual abuse.
Gothard resigned from the institute last year in the wake of accusations from 34 women that he sexually harassed or assaulted them, though he maintains [ http://billgothard.com/content/statement-bill-gothard ] he is innocent.
Recovering Grace also posted a second document, called “Lessons From Moral Failures In A Family [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2015/05/gracenote/ ],” which tells the story of family dealing with the consequences of their son sexually abusing some of this younger siblings. It includes a statement from the boy in which he blames his behavior on laziness, a lack of moral purity and, most disturbingly, the “immodest” behavior of his young sisters:
My younger sisters used to wear dresses often, but as they were young and not aware of modesty, they did not behave in them as they should … Little people do not realize their nakedness right away.
The boy also cites having to change his sisters’ diapers as contributing to his actions.
The authors of the document seem to agree with the boy’s assessment. Following the boy’s statement, the document offers some guidelines for “precautions” that families should take “so that a similar tragedy will not happen among their children.” Those guidelines include insisting on “modesty,” prohibiting boys from changing diapers and not “tolerating laziness.”
Click here [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/media/Lessons_From_Moral_Failures_in_a_Family.pdf ] to read the entire document.
Cornish said he does not personally remember going over the second document, noting that Recovering Grace has collected thousands of pages of documents over the years. However, he said there is no doubt in his mind that it is authentic.
“The layout and design, the verbiage, the content -- it’s Gothard,” he said.
“Lessons From Moral Failures In A Family” was distributed in the late 1990s, according to a post by Recovering Grace. A police report [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/23/josh-duggars-record-destroyed-police_n_7428762.html ] indicates that the first time Josh Duggar was accused of molesting a girl was in 2002, so it’s unlikely that the story is about the Duggar family.
When asked to confirm whether the documents were indeed ATI publications, an ATI representative told The Huffington Post that the organization has “no comment” on the matter.
Josh Duggar, now 27, publicly apologized for his actions [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-apologizes-child-molestation_n_7417688.html ] and acknowledged that allegations were true in a Thursday Facebook post. TLC pulled “19 Kids and Counting [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/22/tlc-pulls-19-kids-counting-lineup_n_7423224.html ]” from its lineup the next day.
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What You Need To Know About The 'Quiverfull' Movement
In this Aug. 2, 2007 file photo, Michelle Duggar, left, is surrounded by her children and husband Jim Bob, second from left, after the birth of her 17th child in Rogers, Arkansas.
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By Antonia Blumberg
Posted: 05/26/2015 6:43 pm EDT Updated: 05/26/2015 6:47 pm EDT
"19 Kids And Counting" stars Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar found themselves in the spotlight for dark reasons this week after reports surfaced that their oldest son, Joshua, molested several young girls [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-apologizes-child-molestation_n_7417688.html ], including some of his sisters, during his teenage years. With 19 children, the Duggars are frequently associated with the "Quiverfull" movement -- a contingent of conservative Christians who shun contraception -- though Michelle and Jim Bob have said they do not formally consider themselves "Quiverfull" Christians.
Even if the family doesn't openly embrace the ideology, their lifestyle mirrors many of its core principles. To remind you exactly what the movement is all about, here are a few key facts you should know:
The name comes from a passage in the Bible.
Psalm 127 [ https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+127 ] states: “Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one’s youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.” A quiver, in the old English sense of the word, is a case for holding arrows [ http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quiver ].
Many couples in the movement believe God won’t give them more children than they can handle.
Families that follow Quiverfull ideals refrain from using contraception, believing that it is only God who “opens and closes the womb,” as adherent Kelly Swanson told NPR [ http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102005062 ]. Another adherent told BBC [ http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22526252 ] in 2013 that her husband "saw it wasn't such a scary thing to do after all, and that God wouldn't overwhelm us with more than we could handle. One baby at a time arrived, and we were handling it, so we felt our marriage was being blessed by this choice and we continued."
A woman's ability to bear many children, like Michelle Duggar has, depends partly on overall health and partly on genes, Dr. Karen V. Wells from the Center for Women's Health at Evergreen Hospital in Washington told NBC News [ http://bodyodd.nbcnews.com/_news/2009/09/09/4380078-are-some-women-superbreeders ]. The outlet noted that after five or six children, women are more prone to post-partum bleeding or hemorrhaging, though one doctor told NBC that having many kids can help protect women from breast and ovarian cancer.
Some Quiverfull adherents believe they are building an army for God -- or at least an army of conservative Christians.
Author Nancy Campbell, a well-known proponent of Quiverfull ideology who writes at the website Above Rubies, said in one post [ http://aboverubies.org/index.php/2013-11-12-17-55-51/english-language/motherhood/321-motherhood-protect-your-womb ] that the womb is a "weapon against Satan.”
“It is the womb that conceives and nourishes the ‘godly seed’ who will come forth to be the light in the darkness and who will destroy the works of Satan in this world. God is looking for an army. ... The womb is a powerful weapon against Satan. Some women fear to bring babies into this evil world, but this is one of the greatest reasons for having children--to be the light in this dark world!” she wrote [id.].
Kathryn Joyce, author of Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement [ http://www.amazon.com/Quiverfull-Inside-Christian-Patriarchy-Movement/dp/0807010731 ], noted the political aspects of the belief system in a 2006 article on its history [ http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2006/11/30/quiverfull-more-children-for-gods-army/ ]. One primary example is the 1990 book [ http://www.amazon.com/Full-Quiver-Family-Planning-Lordship/dp/0943497833 ] A Full Quiver: Family Planning and the Lordship of Christ by Rick and Jan Hess, who bemoaned the lack of conservatives in Washington.
Joyce described the Hess' thinking: "But if just eight million American Christians began supplying more 'arrows for the war' by having six children or more, they propose that the Christian Right ranks could rise to 550 million within a century."
The Duggar family may hold many of the same beliefs, but they do not self-identify with the Quiverfull movement.
In their book, A Love That Multiplies: An Up-Close View of How They Make It Work, Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar wrote [ http://www.amazon.com/Love-That-Multiplies-Up-Close-View/dp/1439190631 ]: “Even though Wikipedia and some Internet blogs report that we are part of a QuiverFull movement, we are not. We are simply Bible-believing Christians who desire to follow God’s Word and apply it to our lives. God says children are a gift and a blessing, and we believe it.”
Vyckie Garrison, a former adherent to the Quiverfull lifestyle who went on to start the blog "No Longer Quivering [ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/ ]," points out [ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2009/06/nlq-faq-what-is-quiverfull/ ] that some may hesitate to label themselves as “Quiverfull” due to the politically charged nature of the term.
But the heart of the lifestyle, which the Duggars demonstrate, is what Garrison calls the practice of “biblical family values.”
The Quiverfull movement is anti-feminist and encourages a patriarchal system.
Doug Phillips, the former president of Vision Forum Ministries who is frequently described as a leader of the Quiverfull movement, has preached a message of “biblical patriarchy,” according to Religion News Service [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/07/doug-phillips-affair_n_4235191.html ], stating that a man should “rule over his household” and “the God-ordained and proper sphere of dominion for a wife is the household.”
BBC notes that the Quiverfull movement originated [ http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22526252 ] in part as a backlash against the feminist movement and growing acceptance of birth control within American Christianity. Joyce adds [ http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2006/11/30/quiverfull-more-children-for-gods-army/ ] that some Quiverfull adherents believe birth control to be the “hallmark of selfish feminists.”
Some of the most prominent advocates of the movement have been women.
Mary Pride's 1985 book, The Way Home: Beyond Feminism, Back to Reality, helped set the stage for the Quiverfull movement. In the book, Pride called family planning [ http://www.amazon.com/dp/1453699309 ] "the mother of abortion."
"A generation had to be indoctrinated in the ideal of planning children around personal convenience before abortion could be popular," she wrote [ http://www.newsweek.com/inside-duggar-familys-conservative-ideology-76547 ].
Campbell of Above Rubies says in one post [ http://aboverubies.org/index.php/component/content/article?id=321:motherhood-protect-your-... ] on her site that “the womb is God’s beautiful gift to women. In fact, our whole reproductive cycle is designed especially for us by God.”
The movement has been linked to sexual assault before.
In the wake of the news that Joshua Duggar admitted to molesting underage girls, he released a statement on the family website [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-apologizes-child-molestation_n_7417688.html ], saying, “Twelve years ago, as a young teenager I acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret. I hurt others, including my family and close friends.”
Quiverfull leader Phillips found himself mired in controversy in 2013 when he admitted [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/07/doug-phillips-affair_n_4235191.html ] to “a lengthy, inappropriate relationship with a woman” who was not his wife. “While we did not ‘know’ each other in a Biblical sense,” Phillips wrote on the Vision Forum Ministries website [ http://www.visionforumministries.org/ ], “it was nevertheless inappropriately romantic and affectionate.”
The following year, the woman came forward to sue Phillips and Vision Forum [ http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/xx_factor/2014/Douglas_Phillips_lawsuit.pdf ] for mental distress caused by what she said was an abusive and manipulative relationship. Lourdes Torres-Manteufel alleged [id.] in a lawsuit that she met Phillips in 1999 when she was 15 years old and that he manipulated her into moving into his home in 2007. There, she charged, Phillips would repeatedly enter her room at night to touch her body, masturbate and ejaculate on her, despite her protests.
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Duggar Dad's Political Platform: Incest Should Be Punishable by Death
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Allie Jones
5/26/15 11:56am
Last week, 19 Kids and Counting’s Josh Duggar admitted [ http://defamer.gawker.com/the-web-has-known-about-josh-duggar-for-years-when-did-1706258269 ] that he molested his sisters when he was a teenager. Though his parents Jim Bob and Michelle successfully helped him avoid prosecution for his crimes, a couple of men have defended the way the Duggars handled the abusive situation in their home. Mike Huckabee has stood by the family [ http://gawker.com/tlc-drops-duggars-while-huckabee-stands-by-child-molest-1706362864#_ga=1.83573524.347595642.1426409656 ] in the wake of the scandal, and Jessa Duggar’s father-in-law Michael Seewald has attested [ http://gawker.com/duggars-acted-in-way-that-godly-parents-should-expla-1706850106#_ga=1.83573524.347595642.1426409656 ] that Jim Bob and Michelle “acted in a way that godly parents should.”
But what does Jim Bob think of his own response to his son’s familial abuse? In a brief statement to People, Jim Bob and Michelle said last week that “that dark and difficult time caused us to seek God like never before.” Maybe that’s because Jim Bob publicly stated during his 2002 campaign for U.S. Senate that he thinks incest should be punishable by death.
Jim Bob’s platform on his campaign website—preserved via web cache [ http://web.archive.org/web/20030210014933/http://www.jimbob.info/position.html ]—states that he believes “rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes.” Jim Bob offered this belief to explain his position on abortion (only acceptable if both the mother and the baby were going to die anyway, of course):
Jim Bob lost the Republican nomination for Senate to Arkansas’ incumbent Senator Tim Hutchinson. His son Josh remained very much alive and went on to molest several underage girls including some of his sisters from 2002-2003.
The Duggar Way
The Web Has Known About Josh Duggar for Years. When Did TLC Find Out?
http://defamer.gawker.com/the-web-has-known-about-josh-duggar-for-years-when-did-1706258269
The Creepy Fundamentalist Homeschool Cult That Trained the Duggars
http://gawker.com/the-creepy-fundamentalist-homeschool-cult-that-trained-1706969994
Quiverfull of Shit: a Guide to the Duggars' Scary Brand of Christianity
http://gawker.com/quiverfull-of-shit-a-guide-to-the-duggars-scary-brand-1706557073
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http://defamer.gawker.com/duggar-dads-political-platform-incest-should-be-punish-1706929035 [with comments]
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As Duggar Dad Ran On A Political Platform Saying Rape And Incest Merited Capital Punishment, He Was Covering Up His Son's Actions
By Katie Sola
Posted: 05/26/2015 7:16 pm EDT Updated: 05/27/2015 8:59 am EDT
In 2002, Jim Bob Duggar argued that rape and incest merited the death penalty. But that same year, one of his own sons reportedly committed incest, and Duggar allegedly covered it up.
While running for U.S. Senate in Arkansas, the patriarch of the Duggar clan -- the family that is the central focus of the TLC reality TV show "19 Kids And Counting [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/19-kids-and-counting/ ]" -- said that rape and incest should be punishable by death. Yet during his run, he reportedly knew that one of his sons, Josh, had molested one of his daughters [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-apologizes-child-molestation_n_7417688.html ].
Gawker Media dug up a cached version of Duggar's political platform from the 2002 Republican primaries [ http://defamer.gawker.com/duggar-dads-political-platform-incest-should-be-punish-1706929035 (just above)].
When asked if he believed abortion should be legal if a woman had been raped, Duggar said, "If a woman is raped, the rapist should be executed instead of the innocent unborn baby. ... Rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes."
Duggar lost the primary election [ http://www.sos.arkansas.gov/elections/historicalElectionResults/Documents/2002_Preferential_Primary_Non-Partisan_Judicial.pdf ] in May 2002 to the incumbent, Sen. Tim Hutchinson.
While Duggar was running on a platform that included this position about rape, the first allegations that Josh had molested a child surfaced. According to In Touch Weekly, which broke the story [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/bombshell-duggar-police-report-jim-bob-duggar-didn-t-report-son-josh-s-alleged-sex-offenses-for-more-than-a-year-58906 ], a female minor told Duggar in March 2002 that Josh, who was 14 at the time, had been sexually touching her as she slept. Josh admitted as much to his parents in July 2002.
A police report [ http://imgur.com/a/zqPMi#13 , http://imgur.com/a/zqPMi#0 ] suggests that the first victim who came forward lived in the same home as Josh. In March 2003, more minors accused Josh of touching their breasts and genitals. The police report suggests that four of the five total victims were Josh's sisters.
Duggar did not alert authorities. He reportedly did not punish his son at all, except to send him to live and work with a family friend for a while.
When Josh returned, his father allegedly took him to speak with Arkansas State Trooper Jim Hutchens, who gave the boy a "very stern talk." According to In Touch, Hutchens is now serving 56 years in jail for child pornography.
The authorities first heard about the allegations in 2006, when an anonymous woman contacted "The Oprah Winfrey Show" with details of the accusations. The police launched an investigation, and In Touch reports five victims confirmed that Josh had touched their breasts and genitals.
Reportedly, the police did not press charges because the statute of limitations had expired.
The Duggar family could not be reached for comment. TLC did not respond to a request for comment.
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Duggar Breaking News: Disgraced Cop Who Didn’t Report Molestation Shoots Down Jim Bob’s Story
(Photo Credit: Getty Images)
(Photo Credit: Arkansas Department of Corrections)
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by In Touch Weekly
May 27, 2015 12:09PM
The disgraced Arkansas state trooper who was first alerted to the Josh Duggar molestation allegations is contradicting the story Jim Bob Duggar later told Springdale, Ark., police, In Touch Weekly is reporting exclusively in the new issue that goes on sale today.
In 2006, Jim Bob told Springdale police that he took Josh to see State Trooper Joseph Hutchens and that Josh “admitted to Hutchens what [Josh, redacted] had done,” according to the police report, obtained exclusively by In Touch through the Freedom of Information Act. At this point, there were five victims and multiple molestations by Josh.
But Hutchens, in his only interview since the Duggar scandal has been uncovered, says that Jim Bob told him about only one incident of molestation and that, in part, is why he decided not to report Josh to the abuse hotline.
Hutchens is serving 56 years in prison for child pornography and admits his “reputation is shot.” He was interviewed by a representative of a local law firm at In Touch's request and promised nothing in return for his recollections.
Hutchens' failure to report the abuse caused the police to halt their 2006 investigation because the statute of limitations ran out.
In the new interview from prison, Hutchens said he was told by Jim Bob and Josh that “Josh had inappropriately touched [redacted] during the time she was asleep. He said he touched her through her clothing and he said it only happened one time.”
He said the fact that it was a one-time incident influenced his decision not to report it. “I did what I thought was right and obviously it wasn’t,” he says. “If I had to do it over again, I would have told him immediately I am going to call the hotline and contacted the trooper that worked those cases and have a full report made. I thought I could handle it myself.
“I have lost a lot of sleep over it. I am a Christian myself and I worry that something else may have happened. I would be responsible for it, in my opinion, by not reporting it. The young girl should have been my first priority.”
For the full interview and troubling new facts about the Duggar molestation scandal, pick up the latest issue of In Touch Weekly, on newsstands now.
Copyright 2015 In Touch Weekly
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggar-breaking-news-disgraced-cop-who-didn-t-report-molestation-shoots-down-jim-bob-s-story-59235 [with comments]
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Trooper Who Did Not Report Duggar Abuse Listed 'Preschools,' 'Puberty' As Online Interests
Joe Hutchens, seen in a booking photo, chose not to report Josh Duggar's wrongdoing back in 2009.
Arkansas Department of Corrections
By Hilary Hanson
Posted: 05/27/2015 5:24 pm EDT Updated: 05/28/2015 9:59 pm EDT
The Arkansas state trooper who reportedly gave the young Josh Duggar a “very stern talk” once had a Yahoo profile in which he detailed his own sexual interest in children, according to a 2009 court document.
The Pulaski County, Arkansas, “risk assessment” document, which is publicly available online [ https://contexte.aoc.arkansas.gov/imaging/IMAGES/DMS/CK_Image.Present2?DMS_ID=B5158A55-630D-4A22-B4D9-D094089EAC70 ] and was posted by Jezebel [ http://jezebel.com/court-records-reveal-heinous-child-porn-tastes-of-the-d-1707192733 ] on Wednesday, detailed the criminal history of the former officer, Joe Hutchens, who is now serving a 56-year sentence on child porn charges.
When Hutchens was still working as a trooper in 2003, Jim Bob Duggar approached him with the information that the teenaged Josh had sexually molested someone, according to a police report obtained by InTouch [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/bombshell-duggar-police-report-jim-bob-duggar-didn-t-report-son-josh-s-alleged-sex-offenses-for-more-than-a-year-58906 ]. Josh had, in fact, "forcibly fondled" five underage girls, some of whom were his sisters. Hutchens did not officially report the teen’s actions but instead gave him a “very stern talk,” the report said.
Hutchens now claims that the elder Duggar did not tell him the whole story. In a prison interview reported by InTouch [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggar-breaking-news-disgraced-cop-who-didn-t-report-molestation-shoots-down-jim-bob-s-story-59235 (just above)], Hutchens said that both Jim Bob and Josh told him that Josh had molested only one victim.
Hutchens added that he regrets his actions (or lack thereof). “I did what I thought was right and obviously it wasn’t,” he said. “If I had to do it over again, I would have told him immediately I am going to call the hotline and contacted the trooper that worked those cases and have a full report made. I thought I could handle it myself."
A few years later, in 2007, Hutchens pleaded guilty to eight counts of possessing child pornography after authorities searching his home computer found multiple images of “prepubescent children” being sexually abused, according to the Pulaski County document.
The document states that Hutchens’ Yahoo profile username was “dadsluv2002” and that his profile listed such interests as “Kinki Kids,” “Child Play series,” “Strangers with Candy,” “Puberty” and “Preschools.” The report also states that between 2004 and 2005, Hutchens “spent considerable time on his computer viewing child porn.”
Hutchens was initially sentenced to five years in prison, but by early 2010 he had been released on a suspended-sentence agreement. In March 2010, he was arrested again on child pornography charges. This time he wound up pleading no contest to 10 counts of distributing, possessing or viewing child pornography [ http://www.nwaonline.com/news/2012/jun/01/retired-trooper-sentenced-56-years/ ], the Northwest Arkansas Democrat Gazette reported, and was sentenced to 56 years behind bars.
Though Jim Bob Duggar reportedly knew as early as July 2002 that his son had assaulted a girl, he did not contact Hutchens around a year later, by which time multiple girls had said Josh molested them. Prior to the meeting with Hutchens, the Duggar parents had sent Josh to counseling at a Bible-based facility whose affiliated homeschooling program has been criticized for its “horrific” teachings [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/26/duggars-homeschooling-sex-abuse_n_7445238.html (above)] about sexual abuse.
The Duggar family went on to star in the TLC reality show “19 Kids and Counting” -- originally known as “17 Kids and Counting” -- beginning in 2008.
Josh Duggar, who is now 27, apologized for his actions [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-apologizes-child-molestation_n_7417688.html ] in a public Facebook post last Thursday. TLC pulled “19 Kids and Counting [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/22/tlc-pulls-19-kids-counting-lineup_n_7423224.html ]” from the network’s lineup the following day.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/27/joe-hutchens-child-porn-josh-duggar_n_7454428.html [with comments]
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Josh Duggar’s Youngest Molestation Victim May Have Been As Young As 5-Years-Old
by Carly Sitzer
May 26, 2015 1:53PM
Last week, Josh Duggar confessed [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/josh-duggar-breaks-his-silence-regarding-child-molestation-allegations-58978 ] to molesting [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/19-kids-and-counting-son-named-in-underage-sex-probe-58751 ] young girls when he was only a teenager.
His confession came shortly after In Touch Weekly published a bombshell police report [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/bombshell-duggar-police-report-jim-bob-duggar-didn-t-report-son-josh-s-alleged-sex-offenses-for-more-than-a-year-58906 ] — obtained through a Freedom of Information Act — which revealed that four of the now-27-year-old’s underage victims lived in his parents Jim Bob and Michelle’s Springdale, Ark. home at the time of incidents, meaning they were most likely his younger sisters.
The first assault took place in July 2002, with a second occurring in March 2003.
Although many details in the police report are redacted, based on the ages of his siblings and the dates of the molestations as described to police, one of Josh's victims was as young as five-years-old when Josh touched her private parts. It was part of an escalating series of attacks by Josh.
Read the chilling details:
[the police report ( http://imgur.com/a/zqPMi#0 ) embedded]
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http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/josh-duggar-s-youngest-molestation-victim-may-have-been-as-young-as-5-years-old-59145 [with comments]
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Duggar Molestation Case — Another Bombshell Revealed: Josh Sued the Arkansas Department of Human Services
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(Photo Credit: Getty Images)
by In Touch Weekly
May 27, 2015 7:59AM
The Josh Duggar molestation case did not end when Springdale, Ark. police closed their investigation in 2006 because the statute of limitations had run out, In Touch Weekly is reporting exclusively.
Police referred the matter to the Families in Need of Services agency, which has jurisdiction over minors. The Department of Human Services (DHS) was then brought into the case, In Touch has learned. Nine months after those agencies entered the Duggar molestation case, Josh Duggar sued the Arkansas Department of Human Services. A trial was held on August 6, 2007.
The results of the investigation into the Duggars and Josh’s trial are sealed. But a source familiar with the Duggar investigation told In Touch it was likely that Josh “appealed the DHS decision or finding from their investigation.” The source notes that DHS had the authority to apply “restrictions or stipulations about him being at home with the victims.
“Josh would be considered an in-home offender, giving DHS the authority to do an investigation. As part of your appeal rights you can request a DHS hearing to challenge what they found and their ruling.”
The Duggars are refusing to comment on the intervention by either department and Josh’s trial against DHS. They also are refusing to say if their family was monitored by a state agency after the 2007 actions and forced to undergo counseling by a licensed mental health professional.
In Touch broke the story about Josh molesting [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/19-kids-and-counting-son-named-in-underage-sex-probe-58751 ] five victims multiple times during the course of at least two years, exclusively obtaining the Springdale Police Department’s report [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/bombshell-duggar-police-report-jim-bob-duggar-didn-t-report-son-josh-s-alleged-sex-offenses-for-more-than-a-year-58906 ] through the Freedom of Information Act.
For the latest details about the Duggar case and the investigation into the family pick up the new issue of In Touch Weekly.
Copyright 2015 In Touch Weekly
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggar-molestation-case-another-bombshell-revealed-josh-sued-the-arkansas-department-of-human-services-59201 [with comments]
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Josh Duggar's Cousin Amy Encourages Fans to ''Pray for Your Enemies'' in Wake of Molestation Scandal
May. 29, 2015
http://www.eonline.com/news/661390/josh-duggar-s-cousin-amy-encourages-fans-to-pray-for-your-enemies-in-wake-of-molestation-scandal [with comments]
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Jessa Duggar: Ben Seewald’s Scathing Instagram Post Seems To Reference Sex Abuse Scandal
[Image credit: Duggar Family Instagram [ https://instagram.com/p/l53xWimlVh/ ]]
Posted: May 26, 2015
Jessa Duggar’s mother-in-law and father-in-law have both shared their thoughts about the Josh Duggar sexual molestation scandal, but does Ben Seewald agree with his parents?
As the Inquisitr previously reported, Jessa Duggar’s father-in-law [ http://www.inquisitr.com/2116741/jessa-duggars-father-in-law-defends-josh-says-jim-bob-and-michelle-should-be-commended-for-handling-of-molestation/ ], Michael Seewald, recently penned a lengthy essay in response to Josh Duggar’s shocking confession that he sexually molested four of his sisters and one other girl. Seewald’s screed was mostly a defense of Josh and Jessa’s parents, and he even wrote that Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar should be praised for the way they handled the horrible ordeal that Josh put their daughters through. Michelle and Jim Bob allowed Josh to continue living with his victims, they did what they could to ensure that their son would not be prosecuted for his crimes, and they sent him to a religious institution that has been under investigation by local Child Protective Services.
Jessa Duggar’s mother-in-law [ http://www.inquisitr.com/2114490/jessa-duggars-mother-in-law-supports-abuser-josh-by-siding-with-mike-huckabee/ ], Guinn Seewald, also showed her support for Josh, Jim Bob, and Michelle by sharing Mike Huckabee’s defense of the Duggars on her Facebook page. Huckabee basically complained about the Duggars’ dark secret being uncovered, wrote that Josh should be forgiven, and stated that he still believes the 19 Kids and Counting stars are good people.
However, Ben Seewald [ https://instagram.com/p/2igHuDgJhU/ ] might not be quite as forgiving as his parents and Mike Huckabee have been. In an Instagram post that he shared on Mother’s Day, Ben hinted that he has a huge problem with parents who don’t properly protect their children. He even mentioned abuse in the post.
“A little late in posting, but I had a wonderful Mother’s day with my Mom and wife! I want to give a shout out to my Mom and Dad,” Ben wrote. “They’ve been loving, caring, and provided us with a good home and many happy memories. While many parents are abusing their children, earning the condemnation of God, my parents have always been protective of us and by God’s grace have made our home a safe haven.”
Jessa Duggar’s husband went on to share some more words that seem an awful lot like condemnation of Jim Bob and Michelle for letting Josh get away with abusing his sisters.
“They loved us enough to have standards, rooted in Scripture, and stick by them even when it would’ve been easier for them just to let us do whatever we wanted to. They loved us too much for that. That’s a lot to say in this culture where parents who care enough to set standards for their kids are mocked and dishonored and where the ones who yield to their rebellious children in compromise are praised as ‘loving.'”
It’s possible that Jessa Duggar informed Ben Seewald about her brother’s past before they got married, but there’s also a chance that Ben only found out about it recently. Some Duggar fans on the Free Jinger website have been speculating that Josh Duggar knew [ http://www.freejinger.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26066&sid=9e1a0f9df3fb50189ea9b0fb1603e562&start=40 ] that someone was digging into his past, and he starting preparing for the fallout weeks ago. The evidence they point to is Josh’s recent purchase of a home in Arkansas.
“I still want to know why Josh bought a house in Arkansas recently. Did he somehow know this was going to happen?” one commenter wrote.
According to RadarOnline, Josh and Anna Duggar [ http://radaronline.com/photos/josh-anna-duggar-buy-new-house-arkansas/photo/1034557/ ] bought a new house in Siloam Springs, Arkansas earlier this year. Perhaps Josh knew that someone was digging into his past, and maybe he was ready and waiting to resign from his position with the Family Research Council in D.C. Now that he’s jobless, he might have to work for his dad back in Arkansas.
Last year, PEOPLE reported that Jessa Duggar’s husband was employed by Jim Bob [ http://www.people.com/article/inside-josh-duggar-treatment- ]. Ben Seewald did “everything from construction projects to keeping the grass mowed to putting roof on a building.” Ben now has a college degree [ http://www.inquisitr.com/2097898/jessa-duggars-husband-graduates-from-community-college-why-isnt-jessa-in-school/ ] and is trying to become a preacher, so perhaps Josh can take his place doing all those odd jobs.
If Josh somehow knew that his dirty secret was about to be shared with the world, perhaps he tried to give his family fair warning about what was coming. It’s possible that Ben and Jessa were alerted earlier this month, and maybe an angry Ben was thinking about Josh when he shared his harsh words for bad parents. If Jessa’s husband is upset, it might not just be because the Duggars let their son get away with something terrible — now Ben and Jessa are in danger of losing whatever money they make on 19 Kids and Counting [ http://www.inquisitr.com/2112176/did-tlc-cancel-19-kids-and-counting-network-says-they-are-deeply-troubled-by-duggar-allegations/ ].
Do you think Ben Seewald’s Mother’s Day post was meant to be a scathing criticism of Jessa Duggar’s parents?
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Dear Duggar Family Children
NATIONAL HARBOR, MD - FEBRUARY 28: Josh Duggar speaks during the 42nd annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) at the Gaylord National Resort Hotel and Convention Center on February 28, 2015 in National Harbor, Maryland. Conservative activists attended the annual political conference to discuss their agenda.
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By Joel L. Watts
Posted: 05/28/2015 4:13 pm EDT Updated: 05/29/2015 1:59 pm EDT
Dear Duggar Family Children:
This is for Jana Maria, John-David, Jill Michelle, Jessa Lauren, Jinger, Joseph, Josiah, Joy-Anna, Jedidiah, Jeremiah, Jason, James, Justin, Jackson, Johannah, Jennifer, Jordyn-Grace, and Josie. Even you, Josh. This is for you when you finally leave your home, in thought and in deed.
I want to welcome you to a world that is far brighter than you've led to believe it is. I want to welcome you to a chance to truly experience all of God's creation, as something more than sex objects, as something more than husbands, wives, fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, baby-sitters, and anything else that you were told you could only be. No doubt, you are going to be afraid.
Then you are going to be mad at your parents, at yourselves, at each other, and finally at God. As someone who has escaped a cult, let me tell you now: you are absolutely right to feel every bad thought you are feeling right now. The pain is real. Even if no one can see it, it is real and maybe even more real than if you had just been torn asunder. Your entire world is breaking down and you simply have no one left to turn to you give you the firm assurance you once had. If someone promises to restore to you a black and white world, don't believe them. Find someone though, whether it is a real counselor, a priest, a pastor, a friend -- find someone who will listen.
If you are reading this, you are now "free" of Quiverfull and a host of other systems imprisoning you. In truth, as I have learned, you will never be truly free of things that have happened to you or that you have done to others. Don't worry. I understand that. Do not let anyone judge you for this, especially yourself. You can be your own worst critic. And you should be, but don't believe everything you tell yourself. To be honest, it wasn't your fault. You were trained to think and believe and act a certain way. You couldn't have left if you tried. You are only now leaving because your psyche cannot handle any more walls and mental gymnastics between what you know and what you see. It is exhausting to continue to build those walls up. At one time, you had help. Your parents and church elders helped to reinforce those walls. But they are gone. They may return, but they will never return to a place that allows you to go back from whence you came.
You are going to be mad at God. You may reject Christianity. I don't blame you. I did myself, really. What you are told is Christianity is not Christianity, I assure you, but you will have to decide that for yourself. Right now, don't give up on believing in God. Just because the god of Quiverfull and your parents may not be in the box you were given, it doesn't mean God does not exist. In fact, I found out -- like many before me -- that God can never fit into a box. If you find someone who tells you they have God all figured out, don't believe them. There is no answer, proof, or concept of God that is healthy to have for too long. If, in the end, you reject Christianity altogether, and even the concept of a deity, I don't blame you. No one can because everything done to you was done in the name of the Christian God.
For me, I choose to believe in God because I cannot believe in a world of this much evil without a good deity as the redeemer. I have to believe that life matters because I have seen real beauty. I choose to believe in God because of personal experience and the marvels of the universe. I believe in orthodox Christianity because theology is a theory and as a theory, I find orthodox Christianity the best of all worlds, one where God became human so that we could become divine. Only orthodox Christianity provides for me the love of a God that I believe this world needs... that I need.
But, as a friendly piece of advice from someone who grew up with a god much like you did [ http://www.amazon.com/From-Fear-Faith-Stories-Spiritual/dp/1938434609 ], God is far better and more real than what you have been given in that box of yours.
You aren't going to be fine; you are going to be different. You are going to be a different person because there is simply no other way you can exist as the person you were before. You will have the same name, experiences, friends and family (if you choose to have the last two, that is). Yet, you will see them differently. You will see them almost like they exist in a movie. But, they will be real to you. The foods won't taste the same. The clothes won't feel the same. You will get squeamish when people pray, joke, or attempt to understand what you are going through. This is part of the new life you have now. It is not easy, but it is worth it.
A couple of words of advice.
• Get into a real counseling program. Whatever state you land in, find a licensed counselor through that State. Go. Go as often as you want. Be honest with your counselor about everything you are feeling.
• Breathe. You are exhausted. You will remain exhausted for a long time. You will be depressed. Find a real way to handle this.
• Don't rush. You can't rush this. If you do, you will find that you have established more walls, but that this time they block out other stuff, like getting the help you need.
• Take the ruin and the ashes around you and salvage the good, discard the bad, and rebuild.
• Never think this is easy. You have come from a cult. Many of you were physically harmed, some sexually harmed, and all of you emotionally, intellectually, and spiritually abused in this. Some of you are in a part of your lifespan where maturity has set in. That means you have learned certain things that you will have to first fight to unlearn and then attempt to learn a better way. This is just not going to be easy, but if you decide it is worth it, you will make it.
• Don't be afraid to be by yourself. But, try to be near to people who love you -- they usually won't understand you -- and will care for you. You need more than bodily care; you need soul care.
Whatever brought you to this point, you are here now. You will not return. Stay with us and let us help you. Many of us have been where you are right now, coming from a cult and into a world that we are not ready for -- a world we do not want. Yet, we have made it. You will too.
-- Joel.
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If Man Obeyed God
Published on Dec 21, 2012 by DarkMatter2525
What if original sin had never occurred? I think you'll find that the fantasy concept known as "sin" is actually quite integral to our physical structure and success as a species. So, whether you take Genesis literally or not - if you believe we were designed by God - who is truly to blame for our "nature"?
After Pat Robertson explained that the earth is more than 6000 years old, using dinosaur bones as evidence, Ian Juby responded by explaining how that can't be true because death didn't exist before Adam.
"So, Mr. Robertson, was there death before Adam or not? Is the bible true or not? Jesus was supposed to bear the consequences of our sins, which is why he died on the cross; it was a consequence of sin. You have just nullified the reason for Christ's death." ~ Ian Juby
This exchange occurs at 8:20 in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URP2WJ6st-E
The premise of this video was suggested to me by DaithiDublin and his wonderful video:
"Re-Imagining Paradise (Poem)" Check it out and send him my best!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82RDXjIcysg
This topic was also addressed beautifully by the great NonStampCollector in these two videos:
Genesis (take #1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY6Dn0_hBOY
Genesis (take #2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MsZxZPtpjE
Royalty-free music used in this video (in order of appearance):
"Neophyt - The Day You Left" by Tunguska Electronic Music Society
http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/302167
"Eugene Kush - MMOWM (part 1)" by Tunguska Electronic Music Society
http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/948380
"Big Band" by RubySeb
http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/163770
"Beast Appears" by Alexandr Bulgarov
http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/786070
"Demain je change de vie - INSTRUMENTAL VERSION" by Löhstana David
http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/785423
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Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar, stars of 19 Kids and Counting, finally come forward to tell their side of totally covering up their son Josh's sexual molestation scandal.
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Gothard’s ATI and the Duggar Family’s Secrets
Jim Bob Duggar and Bill Gothard at an ATI conference.
Source: http://www.duggarfamily.com/ .
By Wende Benner, HA Editorial Team
Posted on May 23, 2015
Content Warning: Spiritual Victim Blaming
The recent revelation that Josh Duggar admittedly [ http://www.people.com/article/josh-duggar-molestation-accusations-duggars-respond ] molested five young girls as a teenager has taken over social media for the last two days. There has been a wide array of reactions and speculations. But, for many who were raised in the same quiverfull and patriarchal homeschool world, this has been a time of reliving their own traumas brought about by that dysfunctional culture. Those who lived it know all too well how the teachings and attitudes that are part of the Duggar family’s life affect families, victims, and even offenders.
The Duggar family’s involvement in Bill Gothard’s Advanced Training Institute (ATI) homeschool program adds complexities to this story which are unknown to the average person. The underlying principles and beliefs the Duggars have built their lives around actually help groom and shame victims, help hide grievous abuse, and even keep offenders from receiving needed help.
The lessons learned from birth in homes like the Duggar’s strip children of their voice and agency. Starting with blanket training [ https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/tag/blanket-training/ ] babies and toddlers understand quickly that disappointing a parent leads to swift and painful consequences. As they grow, it becomes clear that simply doing what is expected is not enough. It must be done instantly and cheerfully [ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2014/06/quoting-quiverfull-the-four-points-of-obedience-for-the-duggar-kids/ ]. Children are even forbidden to seek out the logic behind the request, as kids are prone to do, because that is seen a making excuses or delaying obedience. The consequences of failing to meet these expectations are severe. Gothard and the Duggars believe that spankings are necessary to save a child from their inborn nature to do evil, and these are not just any spankings. The Duggars endorse [ http://thewartburgwatch.com/2014/04/30/the-duggars-promote-bill-gothard-and-the-pearls/ ] the child abuse methods taught by the Pearls [ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2013/09/homeschoolers-anonymous-a-series-on-michael-pearl.html ]. Growing up in an environment of fear, where questions are seen as rebellious, eventually makes children unable to speak up for themselves. They become unable to trust their own judgment of what is right and wrong. These children are the perfect targets for abuse; they do not know how to advocate for themselves.
Also, from a young age the children are instructed in God’s plan for their gender. Strict gender roles are the foundation of a patriarchal system. Girls learn their role is to be wives, mothers, and keepers at home. Most people know that for the Duggar family this includes the expectation of having as many children as possible. Michelle Duggar is also outspoken about her beliefs on a wife’s subservient role [ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithgoespop/2012/02/michelle-duggars-tips-for-a-happy-marriage/ ] and need to be sexually available [ http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/02/13/michelle_duggar_s_secret_to_a_happy_marriage_with_jim_bob_never_say_no_to.html ] to her husband. Children learn by watching their parents that men hold the power. This is detrimental for both boys and girls. Neither learns to have a healthy relationship without the power differential already in place.
All of this is accompanied by one of Bill Gothard’s 7 Basic Principles, Authority [ http://billgothard.com/about/whatiteach ] (these principles are the foundation to his Institute in Basic Life Principles seminar). This concept is taught with a diagram of umbrellas, which represent protection.
Notice the man has authority over the entire household. The teaching claims that as long as the father has no holes in his umbrella-sin in his life, then nothing bad can happen to the rest of the family. However, any member of the family can step out from under the father’s protection if they sin. Then all manner of evil can happen to that person. Therefore, if something bad, like a sexual assault, happens to you and your father hasn’t done anything wrong, it must be your fault. Knowledge of this fact keeps many from even disclosing their abuse. They are aware that questions about sin in their life are likely to follow any revelation of their violation.
In Gothard’s world there are many other ways in which sexual abuse can be the victim’s fault. At the ATI student’s Counseling Seminar students are taught Gothard’s method of helping victims of sexual assault. The handout pictured here is part of the teaching material.
Students are taught to question the victim if they had any fault in the assault. The most obvious way they would be at fault is if they defrauded their attacker. Defraud [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2014/02/defrauding-what-does-it-mean/ ] is Gothard’s favorite word for any dress, actions, or manners that cause someone to lust. This teaching is further backed up by a handout on moral failure [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/media/Lessons_From_Moral_Failures_in_a_Family1.pdf ] released in the 90s after an ATI boy was caught molesting his sisters.
With this teaching a case can easily be made to blame the victim in some way. The feelings of arousal the offender felt must have been caused by some fault of the victim.
Defrauding is not the only way a victim can be at fault. Gothard also teaches that if a victim fails to “cry out” or be alert (one of the 49 required character traits everyone should have) enough to have anticipated the assault, then the victim bears responsibility. The story of Tamar, daughter of King David, is used to illustrate [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2012/04/character-sketches-or-sketchy-characters-dinah-and-tamar/ ] this point. It is easy to see how these teaching have set up a system where the victim bears the blame. Anyone raised with these beliefs is set up to struggle with a lifetime of shame and guilt while still bearing the scars of their abuse.
Before the victim has a chance to make sense of what has happened to them or deal with the chaos of emotions, they will also be reminded of another one of Gothard’s 7 Basic Principles-Suffering [ http://billgothard.com/about/whatiteach ]. This principle emphasizes the necessity of forgiveness and has dire warnings about the consequences of unforgiveness [ http://www.lighthouselibrary.com/pdf/GENERAL%20TEACHINGS%20%5BA%20-%20K%5D/BITTERNESS-TEAR%20DOWN%20STRONGHOLDS%20%5BBill%20Gothard%5D.pdf ]. If a victim fails to forgive, bitterness will take root in their heart, and bitterness causes pieces of your soul to be given to Satan. Satan will then build strongholds on this piece of your soul.
This teaching is also echoed in the handout from the Counseling Seminar. Victims are to be reminded that their soul has more value than their bodies, so forgiving the offender must be the priority. Any suffering caused by the assault is then brushed aside.
The Duggars assured the public Josh’s victims have received counseling. Yet, the type of counseling taught in their world does not promote healing. It teaches shame. How can these young people be expected to heal from such a violation with these principles guiding the process?
The Duggars also claim that Josh received counseling. It is reported this counseling was done over three months at an old VA hospital in Little Rock, AK. While there he did construction work. The old hospital was donated to Bill Gothard [ http://www.arktimes.com/arkansas/a-day-shelter-in-the-old-va/Content?oid=865453 ] for use as a training center. The Integrity Construction Institute was at that time a part of this facility. Evidence that manual labor is an effective treatment for sex offenders is hard to come by. Construction work alone would be a disservice to someone seeking help.
It is important to note that any counseling received from someone associated with ATI would be driven by the belief that mental disorders do not exist [ http://www.cellsea.com/video/detail/V525469cbb76ef.htm ]. This approach to counseling would be ineffective to address the very nature and needs of a serial molester.
Any counsel Josh did receive would probably be similar to the counsel noted earlier, in the handout on moral failure [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/media/Lessons_From_Moral_Failures_in_a_Family1.pdf ] from the 90s.
With close examination it becomes clear that the boy referenced learned a lesson on shifting blame. The victims were blamed for their lack of modesty. The parents were blamed for their lack of teaching. The offender learned to see how others have failed and have caused his problems. This approach would not bring any lasting change in someone needing serious help.
Josh Duggar’s situation as a teen was critical. Studies [ http://www.smart.gov/SOMAPI/sec2/ch5_treatment.html ] show that young offenders who are able to get the right kind of help reduce their probability of reoffending by more than 50%. Yet, as far as we can tell, that kind of help was not available to him. The ATI system of counseling not only fails the victims but the offenders as well.
This toxic system of beliefs originated with Bill Gothard, a man who had to resign from his own ministry last year when faced with dozens of allegations of sexual harassment and abuse. Even though Michelle and Jim Bob were aware of this, they still continued to use these teaching in their home and promote them using their fame. They also continued to speak and teach at the annual ATI family conferences [ http://issuu.com/iblp/docs/2015_conference_guide_final/1?e=6576605/11202285 ]. They have failed to see how their own system of belief has contributed to the devastation in their own family and in the ministry they promote.
The secrets the Duggar family hid all these years have tragic and devastating effects. The lives of five victims will be permanently altered. ATI only helped cover their abuse. ATI also was unable to provide the necessary counseling that Josh Duggar desperately needed at that time. The consequences of that failure could have changed to course of his life.
Bill Gothard’s cult creates a world in which abuse thrives in secret, and those that need help the most are silenced and shamed.
Wende’s Benner [ https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/author/webbspinner/ , http://www.rawstory.com/author/wende/ ]’s family began homeschooling the first year it was legal in NC. She was homeschooled grades 3-12 in a family that became increasingly more fundamentalist each year. They eventually joined Gothard’s ATI, which they continued until she left home.
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Education Program Used By Duggars Has 'Horrific' Sex Abuse Teachings, Ex-Student Says
WASHINGTON - SEPTEMBER 17: Michelle (L) and Jim Bob Duggar of The Learning Channel TV show '19 Kids and Counting' speak at the Values Voter Summit on September 17, 2010 in Washington, DC. The annual summit drew nearly two thousand people to advocate for conservative causes.
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By Hilary Hanson
Posted: 05/26/2015 4:44 pm EDT Updated: 05/28/2015 1:59 am EDT
The home education program used by the Duggar family teaches disturbing, victim-blaming lessons about sexual abuse, a former student of the program says.
Shortly after news broke that "19 Kids and Counting" star Josh Duggar was accused of molesting five underage girls -- some of whom were his sisters -- as a young teen, documents about sexual abuse purportedly published by the Advanced Training Institute (ATI) [ http://ati.iblp.org/ati/ ] began re-circulating [ http://gawker.com/the-duggar-homeschool-programs-terrifying-advice-on-sex-1706406324 ] online [ https://twitter.com/SarahEvonne/status/601838249959620608 ]. The Duggars are actively involved [ http://www.duggarfamilyblog.com/2014/04/duggars-in-big-sandy-photos.html ] with the conservative Christian homeschooling program, and People reports [ http://www.people.com/article/inside-josh-duggar-treatment- ] that ATI’s parent organization, the Institute in Basic Life Principles (IBLP), runs the facility where Jim Bob and Michelle sent their son for counseling after they learned of the abuse in 2003.
One document, “Counseling Sexual Abuse [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2013/04/how-counseling-sexual-abuse-blames-and-shames-survivors/ ],” strongly suggests that victims are to blame for their own abuse. The guide instructs victims to ask themselves “Why did God let it happen?” and offers potential reasons like “immodest dress,” “indecent exposure” and “being with evil friends.”
The handout was originally posted by Recovering Grace [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/ ], an organization dedicated to “helping people whose lives have been impacted” by ATI and IBLP, in 2013 -- long before the allegations against Josh Duggar made headlines.
John Cornish, one of the team members who runs Recovering Grace, told The Huffington Post that he remembers attending an ATI convention as a teen in 1997 and personally hearing Bill Gothard, the IBLP founder, going over the "Counseling Sexual Abuse" document.
“At that point in time, I barely even knew what sexual abuse was,” Cornish recalled. “However, I remember that he was basically telling us that sexual abuse wasn't all that terrible because it only affected one's body, and not the more important parts of our being: soul and spirit.”
Cornish called Gothard's advice "horrific," noting that program's guidelines not only "question whether the abused was at fault," but also try to convince a victim that being abused was a good thing.
Cornish added that “for the thousands of families in the ATI program, Gothard would be the first place they would turn” in a case of sexual abuse.
Gothard resigned from the institute last year in the wake of accusations from 34 women that he sexually harassed or assaulted them, though he maintains [ http://billgothard.com/content/statement-bill-gothard ] he is innocent.
Recovering Grace also posted a second document, called “Lessons From Moral Failures In A Family [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2015/05/gracenote/ ],” which tells the story of family dealing with the consequences of their son sexually abusing some of this younger siblings. It includes a statement from the boy in which he blames his behavior on laziness, a lack of moral purity and, most disturbingly, the “immodest” behavior of his young sisters:
My younger sisters used to wear dresses often, but as they were young and not aware of modesty, they did not behave in them as they should … Little people do not realize their nakedness right away.
The boy also cites having to change his sisters’ diapers as contributing to his actions.
The authors of the document seem to agree with the boy’s assessment. Following the boy’s statement, the document offers some guidelines for “precautions” that families should take “so that a similar tragedy will not happen among their children.” Those guidelines include insisting on “modesty,” prohibiting boys from changing diapers and not “tolerating laziness.”
Click here [ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/media/Lessons_From_Moral_Failures_in_a_Family.pdf ] to read the entire document.
Cornish said he does not personally remember going over the second document, noting that Recovering Grace has collected thousands of pages of documents over the years. However, he said there is no doubt in his mind that it is authentic.
“The layout and design, the verbiage, the content -- it’s Gothard,” he said.
“Lessons From Moral Failures In A Family” was distributed in the late 1990s, according to a post by Recovering Grace. A police report [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/23/josh-duggars-record-destroyed-police_n_7428762.html ] indicates that the first time Josh Duggar was accused of molesting a girl was in 2002, so it’s unlikely that the story is about the Duggar family.
When asked to confirm whether the documents were indeed ATI publications, an ATI representative told The Huffington Post that the organization has “no comment” on the matter.
Josh Duggar, now 27, publicly apologized for his actions [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-apologizes-child-molestation_n_7417688.html ] and acknowledged that allegations were true in a Thursday Facebook post. TLC pulled “19 Kids and Counting [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/22/tlc-pulls-19-kids-counting-lineup_n_7423224.html ]” from its lineup the next day.
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What You Need To Know About The 'Quiverfull' Movement
In this Aug. 2, 2007 file photo, Michelle Duggar, left, is surrounded by her children and husband Jim Bob, second from left, after the birth of her 17th child in Rogers, Arkansas.
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By Antonia Blumberg
Posted: 05/26/2015 6:43 pm EDT Updated: 05/26/2015 6:47 pm EDT
"19 Kids And Counting" stars Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar found themselves in the spotlight for dark reasons this week after reports surfaced that their oldest son, Joshua, molested several young girls [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-apologizes-child-molestation_n_7417688.html ], including some of his sisters, during his teenage years. With 19 children, the Duggars are frequently associated with the "Quiverfull" movement -- a contingent of conservative Christians who shun contraception -- though Michelle and Jim Bob have said they do not formally consider themselves "Quiverfull" Christians.
Even if the family doesn't openly embrace the ideology, their lifestyle mirrors many of its core principles. To remind you exactly what the movement is all about, here are a few key facts you should know:
The name comes from a passage in the Bible.
Psalm 127 [ https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+127 ] states: “Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one’s youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.” A quiver, in the old English sense of the word, is a case for holding arrows [ http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quiver ].
Many couples in the movement believe God won’t give them more children than they can handle.
Families that follow Quiverfull ideals refrain from using contraception, believing that it is only God who “opens and closes the womb,” as adherent Kelly Swanson told NPR [ http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102005062 ]. Another adherent told BBC [ http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22526252 ] in 2013 that her husband "saw it wasn't such a scary thing to do after all, and that God wouldn't overwhelm us with more than we could handle. One baby at a time arrived, and we were handling it, so we felt our marriage was being blessed by this choice and we continued."
A woman's ability to bear many children, like Michelle Duggar has, depends partly on overall health and partly on genes, Dr. Karen V. Wells from the Center for Women's Health at Evergreen Hospital in Washington told NBC News [ http://bodyodd.nbcnews.com/_news/2009/09/09/4380078-are-some-women-superbreeders ]. The outlet noted that after five or six children, women are more prone to post-partum bleeding or hemorrhaging, though one doctor told NBC that having many kids can help protect women from breast and ovarian cancer.
Some Quiverfull adherents believe they are building an army for God -- or at least an army of conservative Christians.
Author Nancy Campbell, a well-known proponent of Quiverfull ideology who writes at the website Above Rubies, said in one post [ http://aboverubies.org/index.php/2013-11-12-17-55-51/english-language/motherhood/321-motherhood-protect-your-womb ] that the womb is a "weapon against Satan.”
“It is the womb that conceives and nourishes the ‘godly seed’ who will come forth to be the light in the darkness and who will destroy the works of Satan in this world. God is looking for an army. ... The womb is a powerful weapon against Satan. Some women fear to bring babies into this evil world, but this is one of the greatest reasons for having children--to be the light in this dark world!” she wrote [id.].
Kathryn Joyce, author of Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement [ http://www.amazon.com/Quiverfull-Inside-Christian-Patriarchy-Movement/dp/0807010731 ], noted the political aspects of the belief system in a 2006 article on its history [ http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2006/11/30/quiverfull-more-children-for-gods-army/ ]. One primary example is the 1990 book [ http://www.amazon.com/Full-Quiver-Family-Planning-Lordship/dp/0943497833 ] A Full Quiver: Family Planning and the Lordship of Christ by Rick and Jan Hess, who bemoaned the lack of conservatives in Washington.
Joyce described the Hess' thinking: "But if just eight million American Christians began supplying more 'arrows for the war' by having six children or more, they propose that the Christian Right ranks could rise to 550 million within a century."
The Duggar family may hold many of the same beliefs, but they do not self-identify with the Quiverfull movement.
In their book, A Love That Multiplies: An Up-Close View of How They Make It Work, Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar wrote [ http://www.amazon.com/Love-That-Multiplies-Up-Close-View/dp/1439190631 ]: “Even though Wikipedia and some Internet blogs report that we are part of a QuiverFull movement, we are not. We are simply Bible-believing Christians who desire to follow God’s Word and apply it to our lives. God says children are a gift and a blessing, and we believe it.”
Vyckie Garrison, a former adherent to the Quiverfull lifestyle who went on to start the blog "No Longer Quivering [ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/ ]," points out [ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2009/06/nlq-faq-what-is-quiverfull/ ] that some may hesitate to label themselves as “Quiverfull” due to the politically charged nature of the term.
But the heart of the lifestyle, which the Duggars demonstrate, is what Garrison calls the practice of “biblical family values.”
The Quiverfull movement is anti-feminist and encourages a patriarchal system.
Doug Phillips, the former president of Vision Forum Ministries who is frequently described as a leader of the Quiverfull movement, has preached a message of “biblical patriarchy,” according to Religion News Service [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/07/doug-phillips-affair_n_4235191.html ], stating that a man should “rule over his household” and “the God-ordained and proper sphere of dominion for a wife is the household.”
BBC notes that the Quiverfull movement originated [ http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22526252 ] in part as a backlash against the feminist movement and growing acceptance of birth control within American Christianity. Joyce adds [ http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2006/11/30/quiverfull-more-children-for-gods-army/ ] that some Quiverfull adherents believe birth control to be the “hallmark of selfish feminists.”
Some of the most prominent advocates of the movement have been women.
Mary Pride's 1985 book, The Way Home: Beyond Feminism, Back to Reality, helped set the stage for the Quiverfull movement. In the book, Pride called family planning [ http://www.amazon.com/dp/1453699309 ] "the mother of abortion."
"A generation had to be indoctrinated in the ideal of planning children around personal convenience before abortion could be popular," she wrote [ http://www.newsweek.com/inside-duggar-familys-conservative-ideology-76547 ].
Campbell of Above Rubies says in one post [ http://aboverubies.org/index.php/component/content/article?id=321:motherhood-protect-your-... ] on her site that “the womb is God’s beautiful gift to women. In fact, our whole reproductive cycle is designed especially for us by God.”
The movement has been linked to sexual assault before.
In the wake of the news that Joshua Duggar admitted to molesting underage girls, he released a statement on the family website [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-apologizes-child-molestation_n_7417688.html ], saying, “Twelve years ago, as a young teenager I acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret. I hurt others, including my family and close friends.”
Quiverfull leader Phillips found himself mired in controversy in 2013 when he admitted [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/07/doug-phillips-affair_n_4235191.html ] to “a lengthy, inappropriate relationship with a woman” who was not his wife. “While we did not ‘know’ each other in a Biblical sense,” Phillips wrote on the Vision Forum Ministries website [ http://www.visionforumministries.org/ ], “it was nevertheless inappropriately romantic and affectionate.”
The following year, the woman came forward to sue Phillips and Vision Forum [ http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/xx_factor/2014/Douglas_Phillips_lawsuit.pdf ] for mental distress caused by what she said was an abusive and manipulative relationship. Lourdes Torres-Manteufel alleged [id.] in a lawsuit that she met Phillips in 1999 when she was 15 years old and that he manipulated her into moving into his home in 2007. There, she charged, Phillips would repeatedly enter her room at night to touch her body, masturbate and ejaculate on her, despite her protests.
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Duggar Dad's Political Platform: Incest Should Be Punishable by Death
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Allie Jones
5/26/15 11:56am
Last week, 19 Kids and Counting’s Josh Duggar admitted [ http://defamer.gawker.com/the-web-has-known-about-josh-duggar-for-years-when-did-1706258269 ] that he molested his sisters when he was a teenager. Though his parents Jim Bob and Michelle successfully helped him avoid prosecution for his crimes, a couple of men have defended the way the Duggars handled the abusive situation in their home. Mike Huckabee has stood by the family [ http://gawker.com/tlc-drops-duggars-while-huckabee-stands-by-child-molest-1706362864#_ga=1.83573524.347595642.1426409656 ] in the wake of the scandal, and Jessa Duggar’s father-in-law Michael Seewald has attested [ http://gawker.com/duggars-acted-in-way-that-godly-parents-should-expla-1706850106#_ga=1.83573524.347595642.1426409656 ] that Jim Bob and Michelle “acted in a way that godly parents should.”
But what does Jim Bob think of his own response to his son’s familial abuse? In a brief statement to People, Jim Bob and Michelle said last week that “that dark and difficult time caused us to seek God like never before.” Maybe that’s because Jim Bob publicly stated during his 2002 campaign for U.S. Senate that he thinks incest should be punishable by death.
Jim Bob’s platform on his campaign website—preserved via web cache [ http://web.archive.org/web/20030210014933/http://www.jimbob.info/position.html ]—states that he believes “rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes.” Jim Bob offered this belief to explain his position on abortion (only acceptable if both the mother and the baby were going to die anyway, of course):
Jim Bob lost the Republican nomination for Senate to Arkansas’ incumbent Senator Tim Hutchinson. His son Josh remained very much alive and went on to molest several underage girls including some of his sisters from 2002-2003.
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Quiverfull of Shit: a Guide to the Duggars' Scary Brand of Christianity
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As Duggar Dad Ran On A Political Platform Saying Rape And Incest Merited Capital Punishment, He Was Covering Up His Son's Actions
By Katie Sola
Posted: 05/26/2015 7:16 pm EDT Updated: 05/27/2015 8:59 am EDT
In 2002, Jim Bob Duggar argued that rape and incest merited the death penalty. But that same year, one of his own sons reportedly committed incest, and Duggar allegedly covered it up.
While running for U.S. Senate in Arkansas, the patriarch of the Duggar clan -- the family that is the central focus of the TLC reality TV show "19 Kids And Counting [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/19-kids-and-counting/ ]" -- said that rape and incest should be punishable by death. Yet during his run, he reportedly knew that one of his sons, Josh, had molested one of his daughters [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-apologizes-child-molestation_n_7417688.html ].
Gawker Media dug up a cached version of Duggar's political platform from the 2002 Republican primaries [ http://defamer.gawker.com/duggar-dads-political-platform-incest-should-be-punish-1706929035 (just above)].
When asked if he believed abortion should be legal if a woman had been raped, Duggar said, "If a woman is raped, the rapist should be executed instead of the innocent unborn baby. ... Rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes."
Duggar lost the primary election [ http://www.sos.arkansas.gov/elections/historicalElectionResults/Documents/2002_Preferential_Primary_Non-Partisan_Judicial.pdf ] in May 2002 to the incumbent, Sen. Tim Hutchinson.
While Duggar was running on a platform that included this position about rape, the first allegations that Josh had molested a child surfaced. According to In Touch Weekly, which broke the story [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/bombshell-duggar-police-report-jim-bob-duggar-didn-t-report-son-josh-s-alleged-sex-offenses-for-more-than-a-year-58906 ], a female minor told Duggar in March 2002 that Josh, who was 14 at the time, had been sexually touching her as she slept. Josh admitted as much to his parents in July 2002.
A police report [ http://imgur.com/a/zqPMi#13 , http://imgur.com/a/zqPMi#0 ] suggests that the first victim who came forward lived in the same home as Josh. In March 2003, more minors accused Josh of touching their breasts and genitals. The police report suggests that four of the five total victims were Josh's sisters.
Duggar did not alert authorities. He reportedly did not punish his son at all, except to send him to live and work with a family friend for a while.
When Josh returned, his father allegedly took him to speak with Arkansas State Trooper Jim Hutchens, who gave the boy a "very stern talk." According to In Touch, Hutchens is now serving 56 years in jail for child pornography.
The authorities first heard about the allegations in 2006, when an anonymous woman contacted "The Oprah Winfrey Show" with details of the accusations. The police launched an investigation, and In Touch reports five victims confirmed that Josh had touched their breasts and genitals.
Reportedly, the police did not press charges because the statute of limitations had expired.
The Duggar family could not be reached for comment. TLC did not respond to a request for comment.
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Duggar Breaking News: Disgraced Cop Who Didn’t Report Molestation Shoots Down Jim Bob’s Story
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by In Touch Weekly
May 27, 2015 12:09PM
The disgraced Arkansas state trooper who was first alerted to the Josh Duggar molestation allegations is contradicting the story Jim Bob Duggar later told Springdale, Ark., police, In Touch Weekly is reporting exclusively in the new issue that goes on sale today.
In 2006, Jim Bob told Springdale police that he took Josh to see State Trooper Joseph Hutchens and that Josh “admitted to Hutchens what [Josh, redacted] had done,” according to the police report, obtained exclusively by In Touch through the Freedom of Information Act. At this point, there were five victims and multiple molestations by Josh.
But Hutchens, in his only interview since the Duggar scandal has been uncovered, says that Jim Bob told him about only one incident of molestation and that, in part, is why he decided not to report Josh to the abuse hotline.
Hutchens is serving 56 years in prison for child pornography and admits his “reputation is shot.” He was interviewed by a representative of a local law firm at In Touch's request and promised nothing in return for his recollections.
Hutchens' failure to report the abuse caused the police to halt their 2006 investigation because the statute of limitations ran out.
In the new interview from prison, Hutchens said he was told by Jim Bob and Josh that “Josh had inappropriately touched [redacted] during the time she was asleep. He said he touched her through her clothing and he said it only happened one time.”
He said the fact that it was a one-time incident influenced his decision not to report it. “I did what I thought was right and obviously it wasn’t,” he says. “If I had to do it over again, I would have told him immediately I am going to call the hotline and contacted the trooper that worked those cases and have a full report made. I thought I could handle it myself.
“I have lost a lot of sleep over it. I am a Christian myself and I worry that something else may have happened. I would be responsible for it, in my opinion, by not reporting it. The young girl should have been my first priority.”
For the full interview and troubling new facts about the Duggar molestation scandal, pick up the latest issue of In Touch Weekly, on newsstands now.
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Trooper Who Did Not Report Duggar Abuse Listed 'Preschools,' 'Puberty' As Online Interests
Joe Hutchens, seen in a booking photo, chose not to report Josh Duggar's wrongdoing back in 2009.
Arkansas Department of Corrections
By Hilary Hanson
Posted: 05/27/2015 5:24 pm EDT Updated: 05/28/2015 9:59 pm EDT
The Arkansas state trooper who reportedly gave the young Josh Duggar a “very stern talk” once had a Yahoo profile in which he detailed his own sexual interest in children, according to a 2009 court document.
The Pulaski County, Arkansas, “risk assessment” document, which is publicly available online [ https://contexte.aoc.arkansas.gov/imaging/IMAGES/DMS/CK_Image.Present2?DMS_ID=B5158A55-630D-4A22-B4D9-D094089EAC70 ] and was posted by Jezebel [ http://jezebel.com/court-records-reveal-heinous-child-porn-tastes-of-the-d-1707192733 ] on Wednesday, detailed the criminal history of the former officer, Joe Hutchens, who is now serving a 56-year sentence on child porn charges.
When Hutchens was still working as a trooper in 2003, Jim Bob Duggar approached him with the information that the teenaged Josh had sexually molested someone, according to a police report obtained by InTouch [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/bombshell-duggar-police-report-jim-bob-duggar-didn-t-report-son-josh-s-alleged-sex-offenses-for-more-than-a-year-58906 ]. Josh had, in fact, "forcibly fondled" five underage girls, some of whom were his sisters. Hutchens did not officially report the teen’s actions but instead gave him a “very stern talk,” the report said.
Hutchens now claims that the elder Duggar did not tell him the whole story. In a prison interview reported by InTouch [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggar-breaking-news-disgraced-cop-who-didn-t-report-molestation-shoots-down-jim-bob-s-story-59235 (just above)], Hutchens said that both Jim Bob and Josh told him that Josh had molested only one victim.
Hutchens added that he regrets his actions (or lack thereof). “I did what I thought was right and obviously it wasn’t,” he said. “If I had to do it over again, I would have told him immediately I am going to call the hotline and contacted the trooper that worked those cases and have a full report made. I thought I could handle it myself."
A few years later, in 2007, Hutchens pleaded guilty to eight counts of possessing child pornography after authorities searching his home computer found multiple images of “prepubescent children” being sexually abused, according to the Pulaski County document.
The document states that Hutchens’ Yahoo profile username was “dadsluv2002” and that his profile listed such interests as “Kinki Kids,” “Child Play series,” “Strangers with Candy,” “Puberty” and “Preschools.” The report also states that between 2004 and 2005, Hutchens “spent considerable time on his computer viewing child porn.”
Hutchens was initially sentenced to five years in prison, but by early 2010 he had been released on a suspended-sentence agreement. In March 2010, he was arrested again on child pornography charges. This time he wound up pleading no contest to 10 counts of distributing, possessing or viewing child pornography [ http://www.nwaonline.com/news/2012/jun/01/retired-trooper-sentenced-56-years/ ], the Northwest Arkansas Democrat Gazette reported, and was sentenced to 56 years behind bars.
Though Jim Bob Duggar reportedly knew as early as July 2002 that his son had assaulted a girl, he did not contact Hutchens around a year later, by which time multiple girls had said Josh molested them. Prior to the meeting with Hutchens, the Duggar parents had sent Josh to counseling at a Bible-based facility whose affiliated homeschooling program has been criticized for its “horrific” teachings [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/26/duggars-homeschooling-sex-abuse_n_7445238.html (above)] about sexual abuse.
The Duggar family went on to star in the TLC reality show “19 Kids and Counting” -- originally known as “17 Kids and Counting” -- beginning in 2008.
Josh Duggar, who is now 27, apologized for his actions [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-apologizes-child-molestation_n_7417688.html ] in a public Facebook post last Thursday. TLC pulled “19 Kids and Counting [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/22/tlc-pulls-19-kids-counting-lineup_n_7423224.html ]” from the network’s lineup the following day.
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Josh Duggar’s Youngest Molestation Victim May Have Been As Young As 5-Years-Old
by Carly Sitzer
May 26, 2015 1:53PM
Last week, Josh Duggar confessed [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/josh-duggar-breaks-his-silence-regarding-child-molestation-allegations-58978 ] to molesting [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/19-kids-and-counting-son-named-in-underage-sex-probe-58751 ] young girls when he was only a teenager.
His confession came shortly after In Touch Weekly published a bombshell police report [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/bombshell-duggar-police-report-jim-bob-duggar-didn-t-report-son-josh-s-alleged-sex-offenses-for-more-than-a-year-58906 ] — obtained through a Freedom of Information Act — which revealed that four of the now-27-year-old’s underage victims lived in his parents Jim Bob and Michelle’s Springdale, Ark. home at the time of incidents, meaning they were most likely his younger sisters.
The first assault took place in July 2002, with a second occurring in March 2003.
Although many details in the police report are redacted, based on the ages of his siblings and the dates of the molestations as described to police, one of Josh's victims was as young as five-years-old when Josh touched her private parts. It was part of an escalating series of attacks by Josh.
Read the chilling details:
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Duggar Molestation Case — Another Bombshell Revealed: Josh Sued the Arkansas Department of Human Services
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by In Touch Weekly
May 27, 2015 7:59AM
The Josh Duggar molestation case did not end when Springdale, Ark. police closed their investigation in 2006 because the statute of limitations had run out, In Touch Weekly is reporting exclusively.
Police referred the matter to the Families in Need of Services agency, which has jurisdiction over minors. The Department of Human Services (DHS) was then brought into the case, In Touch has learned. Nine months after those agencies entered the Duggar molestation case, Josh Duggar sued the Arkansas Department of Human Services. A trial was held on August 6, 2007.
The results of the investigation into the Duggars and Josh’s trial are sealed. But a source familiar with the Duggar investigation told In Touch it was likely that Josh “appealed the DHS decision or finding from their investigation.” The source notes that DHS had the authority to apply “restrictions or stipulations about him being at home with the victims.
“Josh would be considered an in-home offender, giving DHS the authority to do an investigation. As part of your appeal rights you can request a DHS hearing to challenge what they found and their ruling.”
The Duggars are refusing to comment on the intervention by either department and Josh’s trial against DHS. They also are refusing to say if their family was monitored by a state agency after the 2007 actions and forced to undergo counseling by a licensed mental health professional.
In Touch broke the story about Josh molesting [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/19-kids-and-counting-son-named-in-underage-sex-probe-58751 ] five victims multiple times during the course of at least two years, exclusively obtaining the Springdale Police Department’s report [ http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/bombshell-duggar-police-report-jim-bob-duggar-didn-t-report-son-josh-s-alleged-sex-offenses-for-more-than-a-year-58906 ] through the Freedom of Information Act.
For the latest details about the Duggar case and the investigation into the family pick up the new issue of In Touch Weekly.
Copyright 2015 In Touch Weekly
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Josh Duggar's Cousin Amy Encourages Fans to ''Pray for Your Enemies'' in Wake of Molestation Scandal
May. 29, 2015
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Jessa Duggar: Ben Seewald’s Scathing Instagram Post Seems To Reference Sex Abuse Scandal
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Posted: May 26, 2015
Jessa Duggar’s mother-in-law and father-in-law have both shared their thoughts about the Josh Duggar sexual molestation scandal, but does Ben Seewald agree with his parents?
As the Inquisitr previously reported, Jessa Duggar’s father-in-law [ http://www.inquisitr.com/2116741/jessa-duggars-father-in-law-defends-josh-says-jim-bob-and-michelle-should-be-commended-for-handling-of-molestation/ ], Michael Seewald, recently penned a lengthy essay in response to Josh Duggar’s shocking confession that he sexually molested four of his sisters and one other girl. Seewald’s screed was mostly a defense of Josh and Jessa’s parents, and he even wrote that Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar should be praised for the way they handled the horrible ordeal that Josh put their daughters through. Michelle and Jim Bob allowed Josh to continue living with his victims, they did what they could to ensure that their son would not be prosecuted for his crimes, and they sent him to a religious institution that has been under investigation by local Child Protective Services.
Jessa Duggar’s mother-in-law [ http://www.inquisitr.com/2114490/jessa-duggars-mother-in-law-supports-abuser-josh-by-siding-with-mike-huckabee/ ], Guinn Seewald, also showed her support for Josh, Jim Bob, and Michelle by sharing Mike Huckabee’s defense of the Duggars on her Facebook page. Huckabee basically complained about the Duggars’ dark secret being uncovered, wrote that Josh should be forgiven, and stated that he still believes the 19 Kids and Counting stars are good people.
However, Ben Seewald [ https://instagram.com/p/2igHuDgJhU/ ] might not be quite as forgiving as his parents and Mike Huckabee have been. In an Instagram post that he shared on Mother’s Day, Ben hinted that he has a huge problem with parents who don’t properly protect their children. He even mentioned abuse in the post.
“A little late in posting, but I had a wonderful Mother’s day with my Mom and wife! I want to give a shout out to my Mom and Dad,” Ben wrote. “They’ve been loving, caring, and provided us with a good home and many happy memories. While many parents are abusing their children, earning the condemnation of God, my parents have always been protective of us and by God’s grace have made our home a safe haven.”
Jessa Duggar’s husband went on to share some more words that seem an awful lot like condemnation of Jim Bob and Michelle for letting Josh get away with abusing his sisters.
“They loved us enough to have standards, rooted in Scripture, and stick by them even when it would’ve been easier for them just to let us do whatever we wanted to. They loved us too much for that. That’s a lot to say in this culture where parents who care enough to set standards for their kids are mocked and dishonored and where the ones who yield to their rebellious children in compromise are praised as ‘loving.'”
It’s possible that Jessa Duggar informed Ben Seewald about her brother’s past before they got married, but there’s also a chance that Ben only found out about it recently. Some Duggar fans on the Free Jinger website have been speculating that Josh Duggar knew [ http://www.freejinger.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26066&sid=9e1a0f9df3fb50189ea9b0fb1603e562&start=40 ] that someone was digging into his past, and he starting preparing for the fallout weeks ago. The evidence they point to is Josh’s recent purchase of a home in Arkansas.
“I still want to know why Josh bought a house in Arkansas recently. Did he somehow know this was going to happen?” one commenter wrote.
According to RadarOnline, Josh and Anna Duggar [ http://radaronline.com/photos/josh-anna-duggar-buy-new-house-arkansas/photo/1034557/ ] bought a new house in Siloam Springs, Arkansas earlier this year. Perhaps Josh knew that someone was digging into his past, and maybe he was ready and waiting to resign from his position with the Family Research Council in D.C. Now that he’s jobless, he might have to work for his dad back in Arkansas.
Last year, PEOPLE reported that Jessa Duggar’s husband was employed by Jim Bob [ http://www.people.com/article/inside-josh-duggar-treatment- ]. Ben Seewald did “everything from construction projects to keeping the grass mowed to putting roof on a building.” Ben now has a college degree [ http://www.inquisitr.com/2097898/jessa-duggars-husband-graduates-from-community-college-why-isnt-jessa-in-school/ ] and is trying to become a preacher, so perhaps Josh can take his place doing all those odd jobs.
If Josh somehow knew that his dirty secret was about to be shared with the world, perhaps he tried to give his family fair warning about what was coming. It’s possible that Ben and Jessa were alerted earlier this month, and maybe an angry Ben was thinking about Josh when he shared his harsh words for bad parents. If Jessa’s husband is upset, it might not just be because the Duggars let their son get away with something terrible — now Ben and Jessa are in danger of losing whatever money they make on 19 Kids and Counting [ http://www.inquisitr.com/2112176/did-tlc-cancel-19-kids-and-counting-network-says-they-are-deeply-troubled-by-duggar-allegations/ ].
Do you think Ben Seewald’s Mother’s Day post was meant to be a scathing criticism of Jessa Duggar’s parents?
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Dear Duggar Family Children
NATIONAL HARBOR, MD - FEBRUARY 28: Josh Duggar speaks during the 42nd annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) at the Gaylord National Resort Hotel and Convention Center on February 28, 2015 in National Harbor, Maryland. Conservative activists attended the annual political conference to discuss their agenda.
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By Joel L. Watts
Posted: 05/28/2015 4:13 pm EDT Updated: 05/29/2015 1:59 pm EDT
Dear Duggar Family Children:
This is for Jana Maria, John-David, Jill Michelle, Jessa Lauren, Jinger, Joseph, Josiah, Joy-Anna, Jedidiah, Jeremiah, Jason, James, Justin, Jackson, Johannah, Jennifer, Jordyn-Grace, and Josie. Even you, Josh. This is for you when you finally leave your home, in thought and in deed.
I want to welcome you to a world that is far brighter than you've led to believe it is. I want to welcome you to a chance to truly experience all of God's creation, as something more than sex objects, as something more than husbands, wives, fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, baby-sitters, and anything else that you were told you could only be. No doubt, you are going to be afraid.
Then you are going to be mad at your parents, at yourselves, at each other, and finally at God. As someone who has escaped a cult, let me tell you now: you are absolutely right to feel every bad thought you are feeling right now. The pain is real. Even if no one can see it, it is real and maybe even more real than if you had just been torn asunder. Your entire world is breaking down and you simply have no one left to turn to you give you the firm assurance you once had. If someone promises to restore to you a black and white world, don't believe them. Find someone though, whether it is a real counselor, a priest, a pastor, a friend -- find someone who will listen.
If you are reading this, you are now "free" of Quiverfull and a host of other systems imprisoning you. In truth, as I have learned, you will never be truly free of things that have happened to you or that you have done to others. Don't worry. I understand that. Do not let anyone judge you for this, especially yourself. You can be your own worst critic. And you should be, but don't believe everything you tell yourself. To be honest, it wasn't your fault. You were trained to think and believe and act a certain way. You couldn't have left if you tried. You are only now leaving because your psyche cannot handle any more walls and mental gymnastics between what you know and what you see. It is exhausting to continue to build those walls up. At one time, you had help. Your parents and church elders helped to reinforce those walls. But they are gone. They may return, but they will never return to a place that allows you to go back from whence you came.
You are going to be mad at God. You may reject Christianity. I don't blame you. I did myself, really. What you are told is Christianity is not Christianity, I assure you, but you will have to decide that for yourself. Right now, don't give up on believing in God. Just because the god of Quiverfull and your parents may not be in the box you were given, it doesn't mean God does not exist. In fact, I found out -- like many before me -- that God can never fit into a box. If you find someone who tells you they have God all figured out, don't believe them. There is no answer, proof, or concept of God that is healthy to have for too long. If, in the end, you reject Christianity altogether, and even the concept of a deity, I don't blame you. No one can because everything done to you was done in the name of the Christian God.
For me, I choose to believe in God because I cannot believe in a world of this much evil without a good deity as the redeemer. I have to believe that life matters because I have seen real beauty. I choose to believe in God because of personal experience and the marvels of the universe. I believe in orthodox Christianity because theology is a theory and as a theory, I find orthodox Christianity the best of all worlds, one where God became human so that we could become divine. Only orthodox Christianity provides for me the love of a God that I believe this world needs... that I need.
But, as a friendly piece of advice from someone who grew up with a god much like you did [ http://www.amazon.com/From-Fear-Faith-Stories-Spiritual/dp/1938434609 ], God is far better and more real than what you have been given in that box of yours.
You aren't going to be fine; you are going to be different. You are going to be a different person because there is simply no other way you can exist as the person you were before. You will have the same name, experiences, friends and family (if you choose to have the last two, that is). Yet, you will see them differently. You will see them almost like they exist in a movie. But, they will be real to you. The foods won't taste the same. The clothes won't feel the same. You will get squeamish when people pray, joke, or attempt to understand what you are going through. This is part of the new life you have now. It is not easy, but it is worth it.
A couple of words of advice.
• Get into a real counseling program. Whatever state you land in, find a licensed counselor through that State. Go. Go as often as you want. Be honest with your counselor about everything you are feeling.
• Breathe. You are exhausted. You will remain exhausted for a long time. You will be depressed. Find a real way to handle this.
• Don't rush. You can't rush this. If you do, you will find that you have established more walls, but that this time they block out other stuff, like getting the help you need.
• Take the ruin and the ashes around you and salvage the good, discard the bad, and rebuild.
• Never think this is easy. You have come from a cult. Many of you were physically harmed, some sexually harmed, and all of you emotionally, intellectually, and spiritually abused in this. Some of you are in a part of your lifespan where maturity has set in. That means you have learned certain things that you will have to first fight to unlearn and then attempt to learn a better way. This is just not going to be easy, but if you decide it is worth it, you will make it.
• Don't be afraid to be by yourself. But, try to be near to people who love you -- they usually won't understand you -- and will care for you. You need more than bodily care; you need soul care.
Whatever brought you to this point, you are here now. You will not return. Stay with us and let us help you. Many of us have been where you are right now, coming from a cult and into a world that we are not ready for -- a world we do not want. Yet, we have made it. You will too.
-- Joel.
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If Man Obeyed God
Published on Dec 21, 2012 by DarkMatter2525
What if original sin had never occurred? I think you'll find that the fantasy concept known as "sin" is actually quite integral to our physical structure and success as a species. So, whether you take Genesis literally or not - if you believe we were designed by God - who is truly to blame for our "nature"?
After Pat Robertson explained that the earth is more than 6000 years old, using dinosaur bones as evidence, Ian Juby responded by explaining how that can't be true because death didn't exist before Adam.
"So, Mr. Robertson, was there death before Adam or not? Is the bible true or not? Jesus was supposed to bear the consequences of our sins, which is why he died on the cross; it was a consequence of sin. You have just nullified the reason for Christ's death." ~ Ian Juby
This exchange occurs at 8:20 in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URP2WJ6st-E
The premise of this video was suggested to me by DaithiDublin and his wonderful video:
"Re-Imagining Paradise (Poem)" Check it out and send him my best!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82RDXjIcysg
This topic was also addressed beautifully by the great NonStampCollector in these two videos:
Genesis (take #1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY6Dn0_hBOY
Genesis (take #2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MsZxZPtpjE
Royalty-free music used in this video (in order of appearance):
"Neophyt - The Day You Left" by Tunguska Electronic Music Society
http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/302167
"Eugene Kush - MMOWM (part 1)" by Tunguska Electronic Music Society
http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/948380
"Big Band" by RubySeb
http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/163770
"Beast Appears" by Alexandr Bulgarov
http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/786070
"Demain je change de vie - INSTRUMENTAL VERSION" by Löhstana David
http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/785423
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upon the Right of Election, 1790
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