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Catholic Church Has Been 'Outmarketed' On Gay Marriage, Says New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan


Associated Press

11/29/13 01:10 PM ET EST

NEW YORK (AP) — New York's Cardinal Timothy Dolan says the Roman Catholic Church has been "outmarketed" on the issue of gay marriage and has been "caricatured as being anti-gay."

Dolan's conversation with "Meet the Press" moderator David Gregory will air Sunday on NBC.

Asked why the church is losing the argument on gay marriage, Dolan says it's a tough battle when forces like Hollywood, politicians and "some opinion-molders" are on the other side.

But he said the gay marriage debate is not over and the church will not give up on it.

On another divisive issue, Dolan said the Catholic Church has long championed comprehensive health care.

But he indicated that U.S. Catholic bishops cannot support the Affordable Care Act as long as it includes coverage for abortion.

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11/27/2013
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/27/jeb-bush-vatican-embassy_n_4352621.html

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© 2013 Associated Press

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/30/gay-marriage-timothy-dolan_n_4363690.html [with comments]


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Republicans’ self-hatred swells: The GOP vs. its own base

Rick Santorum is unhappy that older people, who tend to vote Republican, are getting insurance via the ACA
Dec 2, 2013
http://www.salon.com/2013/12/02/republicans_self_hatred_swells_the_gop_vs_its_own_base/ [with comments]


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U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge


U.S. President Barack Obama meets with health insurance chief executives at the White House in Washington November 15, 2013.
Credit: Reuters/Kevin Lamarque


By Lawrence Hurley
WASHINGTON Mon Dec 2, 2013 10:03am EST

(Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear a broad new legal challenge to President Barack Obama's 2010 healthcare law.

The court rejected a petition filed by Liberty University, a Christian college in Virginia, which had raised various objections to the law, including to the key provision that requires individuals to obtain health insurance.

The justices upheld the constitutionality of a the individual mandate in a 5-4 ruling in June 2012.

Last week, the court agreed to hear two new cases in which employers have made religious objections to regulations implemented under Obamacare that require employers to provide health insurance that includes contraception for women. The case will be heard this term and decided by the end of June.

By rejecting the Liberty University case, the justices left intact a 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals of a May 2013 decision that dismissed the claims made by the college and two individuals, Michele Waddell and Joanne Merrill.

The case is Liberty University v. Lew, U.S. Supreme Court, 13-306.

(Reporting by Lawrence Hurley; Editing by Howard Goller and Bill Trott)

Copyright 2013 Thomson Reuters

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/02/us-usa-court-obamacare-idUSBRE9B10II20131202 [with comments]


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The Thing God Doesn't Know


Published on Jun 1, 2013 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

Mmmmm lust. Could lust be yet another weakness for the concept of the Abrahamic God?

I highly recommend Steve Shives' "An Atheist Reads..." Series. This is a good place to start:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoTt0-IAbY8&list=PL0-LSnSBNIncKfFDrz7TrKmtAAUjC7rkZ&index=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-zi25GgVE [with (over 9,000) comments]


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Marin Developer at Center of Church ‘Spanking’ Sex Scandal


Accusations: Jhona Mathews, 33, has accused William McLaughlin of sexually assaulting and harassing her while they both worked at one of San Francisco's oldest Catholic shrines.
[ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513247/Sex-scandal-embezzlement-San-Franciscos-oldest-churches.html ]



Is nothing sacred? An administrative assistant says her boss forced her to have sex in the sanctuary of the National Shrine of St. Francis Assisi.
[ http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/spanking-scandal-erupts-san-francisco-church-article-1.1529237 ]


William McLaughlin coerced a female employee into having sex in the sanctuary of the landmark National Shrine of St. Francis Assisi, his accuser says.

Posted by Gideon Rubin (Editor), November 27, 2013 at 12:00 PM

A prominent Marin real estate developer is at the center of a sex scandal that involves one of the West Coast’s most storied Catholic Churches.

William McLaughlin allegedly spanked a female employee with a wooden paddle and coerced her into having sexual intercourse in the sanctuary of the landmark National Shrine of St. Francis Assisi in San Francisco's North Beach, the New York Daily News reports [ http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/spanking-scandal-erupts-san-francisco-church-article-1.1529237 ].

McLaughlin was serving as chairman of the shrine's volunteer program at the time of the alleged incident.

Church officials fired him after investigating the allegations, the San Francisco Chronicle’s Matier and Ross report [ http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/Racy-tales-of-kinky-sex-at-North-Beach-shrine-5007284.php ].

The allegations surfaced last week when a woman suspected of embezzling hundreds of thousands of dollars from the church filed a claim against the church alleging sexual harassment.

Jhona Mathews, 33, worked for the church as an administrative assistant. She says she was fired after breaking off her relationship with McLaughlin, who is in his 60s.

A police report alleging Matthews stole from the church was filed days before she filed a sexual harassment claim against the church, KGO news reports [ http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/san_francisco&id=9337058 ].

Mathews has a history of credit card fraud, the church alleges.

Mathews first met McLaughlin when she was working for a carpet company brought into the church for renovations.

Soon after being offered a job at the church in February 2012, McLaughlin started sending Mathews sexually explicit photos and emails, her complaint alleges.

Mathews has denied the embezzlement accusations through her attorney, Sandra Ribera, who acknowledged her client has a “checkered past.”

Ribera said McLaughlin took advantage of her client, a single mom with a 2-year-old daughter, telling the Chronicle "She felt she had no choice.”

"He was dangling her livelihood over her head, and she had a daughter to feed."

Ribera described the lurid details of the alleged abuse in an interview with KGO news [ http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/san_francisco&id=9337058 ].

"Paddling with the wooden paddle, getting spanked in the sacristy of the shrine of St. Francis, which Catholics know, it's just appalling to hear as a Catholic and having sexual intercourse in the shrine of St. Francis," Ribera said.

McLaughlin, an animal rights activist, led a 2005 effort to airlift stranded pets in of New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Copyright ©2013 Patch

http://sananselmofairfax.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/marin-developer-at-center-of-church-spanking-sex-scandal [no comments yet]


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If Man Obeyed God


Published on Dec 21, 2012 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

What if original sin had never occurred? I think you'll find that the fantasy concept known as "sin" is actually quite integral to our physical structure and success as a species. So, whether you take Genesis literally or not - if you believe we were designed by God - who is truly to blame for our "nature"?

After Pat Robertson explained that the earth is more than 6000 years old, using dinosaur bones as evidence, Ian Juby responded by explaining how that can't be true because death didn't exist before Adam.
"So, Mr. Robertson, was there death before Adam or not? Is the bible true or not? Jesus was supposed to bear the consequences of our sins, which is why he died on the cross; it was a consequence of sin. You have just nullified the reason for Christ's death." ~ Ian Juby
This exchange occurs at 8:20 in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URP2WJ6st-E

The premise of this video was suggested to me by DaithiDublin and his wonderful video:
"Re-Imagining Paradise (Poem)" Check it out and send him my best!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82RDXjIcysg

This topic was also addressed beautifully by the great NonStampCollector in these two videos:
Genesis (take #1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY6Dn0_hBOY
Genesis (take #2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MsZxZPtpjE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_a6RjR_AHY [with (over 32,000) comments]

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In A Gadda Da Vida (In the Garden of Eden) - Iron Butterfly - 1968


In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, honey,
don't you know that I love you?
In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, baby,
don't you know that I'll always be true?

Oh, won't you come with me
and take my hand?

Oh, won't you come with me
and walk this land?

Please take my hand!

-Repeat-

~solos~

-Repeat-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVe-rZBcm4 [with comments; also at e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bQZ6l_cq5Y , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urGHap53sgA , and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiIg8USxoCI (all with comments); http://www.pophistorydig.com/?tag=in-a-gadda-da-vida-album ; http://tbo.com/list/news-columns/the-meaning-of-in-a-gadda-da-vida-and-other-s-revelations-217876 ]


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One Jew's Take on the War on Christmas


By Andy Ostroy
Posted: 11/27/2013 1:46 pm

There's a "War on Christmas" being waged. At least that's what Republicans would like us to believe. There's even a new book about it, Good Tidings and Great Joy: Protecting the Heart of Christmas [ http://www.amazon.com/Good-Tidings-Great-Joy-Protecting/dp/0062292889 ], written by that great arbiter of social injustice, Sarah Palin.

Palin writes: "Amidst the fragility of this politically correct era it is imperative that we stand up for our beliefs before the element of faith in a glorious and traditional holiday like Christmas is marginalized and ignored."

She continues: "The war on Christmas is the tip of the spear in a larger battle to secularize our culture, and make true religious freedom a thing of America's past. The logical result of atheism, a result we have seen right in front of our eyes in one of the world's oldest and proudest nations, is severe moral decay."

Of course, Palin is widely known for her intellectual curiosity, her objectivity, her distaste for inflammatory rhetoric and her adherence to facts. So we must ask, is The Wasilla Wonder onto something here?

On this eve of 'Thanksgivukkah,' a rare Hallmark phenomenon that won't occur again for another 70,000 years, I thought I'd give my personal perspective of what it's like being a Jew, surrounded by millions of allegedly battle-scarred Christians, during the mythical war-torn month of December.

If there's a war on Christmas it's certainly news to me. I live in New York, a city with more Jews per square inch than anywhere in the world except Israel. Yet this time of year it might as well be Vatican City given the sheer volume of Christmas zeal and excess. There are Christmas tree stands everywhere. Wreaths. Tinsel. Bells. Christmas music. We're inundated with red and green. With people beaming "Merry Christmas!" Asking "what are you doing for Christmas?" And, "what did you get your kids for Christmas?"

It's rare to find blue and white, the colors of Hanukkah. Strain the eyes and you might find a small menorah somewhere. No one wanders the streets, the office, retail shops wishing strangers a "Happy Hanukkah!" Strangers don't ask me what I'm doing for Hanukkah, or what I'm getting the kids for Hanukkah. What's even worse than the relative obscurity of Hanukkah is the almost non-existence of Kwanzaa-related paraphernalia. It's all Christmas, all the time. If there's a "war on Christmas" taking place, it's the most lame war in the history of wars.

I dread this time of year. I dread it because I'm a Jew floating in a sea of religious insensitivity. I live in a country where many fight for school prayer, provided it's their religion's scripture. Where people fight to allow religious symbols in public spaces, provided the symbols belong to their chosen faith. Where people ask "what's wrong with retailers posting 'Merry Christmas' signs in their windows?" But can they imagine how Jews feel then? If Christians are uncomfortable with the generic "Happy Holidays," guess how Jews feel seeing the very non-secular "Merry Christmas" everywhere we turn. And this is New York I'm referring to. Imagine how Jews feel this time of year in remote places like Laurel, Mississippi. Or Butte, Montana. Or Amarillo, Texas.

To be perfectly honest, I love Christmas. Always have. Ever since I was a 10-year-old racing to my pal Phil's building to open his presents with him and his family. I do not hate or resent this beautiful holiday. What I resent is being told that, unless I want it incessantly crammed down my Jewish throat for 30+ days each year, that I'm waging a war against it. That because I want Christians to respect me and my beliefs it is somehow disrespectful, confrontational and offensive to pious folks like Palin.

To be sure, there are millions of Jews who secretly wish they could celebrate Christmas, and perhaps millions more who've actually crossed the line of assimilation to buy trees, "do their Christmas shopping" for their Jewish friends and family, and pretend for a few days that they're no different than the 99% of the rest of the world. They want to "belong."

And the truth is, Christmas is a much sexier holiday than Hanukkah. Gentiles have Santa Claus, Rudolph, trimmed trees and apple pie. We have a menorah, a dreidel and latkes. They have White Christmas, Miracle on 34th Street and A Charlie Brown Christmas. We have Shalom Sesame: Chanukah Special, Chanukah on Planet Matzoh Ball and Adam Sandler's Eight Crazy Nights. They have the most celebrated holiday in the world, where an estimated $3-trillion is spent on shopping, and we have, well, our little Hanukkah.

So to my Christian friends, and especially to the war-weary Mama Grizzly up in Alaska, I assure you that no one wants to take away Christmas. And no one certainly is waging a war against it. Those of us who happen to be Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist or atheist simply want you to enjoy your holiday merriment while accepting and respecting our chosen faith (or lack thereof) and realize that celebration this time of year comes in many colors, or perhaps no color at all.

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NBC Broadcast of 'Kinky Boots' Performance At Macy's Day Parade Provokes Right-Wing Outrage
11/30/2013
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/29/kinky-boots-macys_n_4360035.html

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Copyright © 2013 TheHuffingtonPost.com, Inc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ostroy/one-jews-take-on-the-war-_b_4350751.html [with comments; the YouTube, as embedded, at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkUFPaWVRl8 (with comments)]


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Fine-Tuned Universe


Uploaded on May 4, 2011 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

Theists, when you make this argument, do you not realize that you're trampling all over your god's omnipotence? If the universe was made for life, with all the universe's dangers and inefficiencies, then to say that it could be no other way is to say your god couldn't do it any other way - and obviously, a way less hostile and more conducive to life would have been a better way.

A couple questions for creationists:
Was Adam flesh and bone? If you dropped him off a 100 foot cliff before he ate the fruit, would he have died? If lions weren't carnivorous before the fall of man, then please explain how a man eating a piece of fruit would cause the digestive systems of large cats to be permanently altered, and why we've never found the fossils of such cats. What is the purpose of an extinct species? Why did God condemn 99% of all species that have existed thus far to extinction? Why did he design them in the first place if He knew that they were going to be unsuccessful (though, humans aren't yet nearly as successful as some species that have survived for many millions of years before their extinction)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMYIl5b-paY [with comments]


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Intelijunt Dezine


Uploaded on Jan 24, 2010 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

My contribution to Intelligent Design: "The Wasted Theory".

Most life is antagonistic to other forms of life. That is illogical if life was designed by a single, perfect, all-knowing creator. For example, why would God design something if He knew it was going to be unsuccessful (go extinct)? Why would God design his creation to be in constant conflict with itself?

There are two possible solutions:
1. The Wasted Theory
2. Evolution

Of course, evolution solves the problem perfectly: adaptation, natural selection, etc.

For religious people, my "Wasted Theory" also solves the problem. You're welcome, religious people; and you may freely use my theory at your discretion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6AdEDm2mLQ [with comments]


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The Great Flood


Uploaded on Dec 30, 2009 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

The logistics of Noah's Ark. People actually believe this story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I225Vcs3X0g [with (over 9,000) comments]


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How To Create A Universe


Published on Nov 26, 2013 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

For only infinite easy payments of $7,777,777.99 you too can know God's super secret successful methods for creating your very own universe!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEE2L2l3PAo [with comments]

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Family Guy - How the Universe was made


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoqSas2uFKw [with comments] [(linked in) http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=80506176 and preceding and following]


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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/13/dog-butt-looks-like-jesus-photo_n_3436086.html [with embedded video report, and (over 4,000) comments]

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http://imgur.com/4y1Tf5R [with comments]


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Christ is Back in Christmas!


Published on Dec 7, 2012 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

I was thinking of calling this video "The Passion of the Elf" but I didn't want it to be too predictable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNtBkOXItqw [with (over 6,000) comments]


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https://www.pinterest.com/pin/132363676521794549/


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Freedom To Force Religion


Published on Jul 2, 2013 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

That pesky First Amendment is always gettin' in the gosh darn way! For many folks, being free to practice their religion just isn't enough. Nope. They want to be able to force other people to observe and practice their religion as well. Now that's freedom! ...or maybe not.

Fox News source:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/14/perry-signs-merry-christmas-bill-into-law/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiQkOT1if24 [with (nearly 5,000) comments]

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Christianity in a Nutshell


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ3liwb9piI [with comments]

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Religion In A Nutshell


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6axdZAxyt2g [with comments]


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Redneck Christmas


https://www.pinterest.com/pin/132363676521794830/ ; https://www.pinterest.com/pin/132363676521794825/


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Pope Francis Welcomes Vladimir Putin To Vatican Amidst Catholic-Orthodox Tensions; Leaders Kiss Madonna Icon

[ http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/putin-shows-faith-kisses-madonna-icon-at-vatican/2013/11/25/0974ef88-5601-11e3-bdbf-097ab2a3dc2b_story.html ]
11/25/13
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/25/pope-francis-vladimir-putin_n_4338911.html [with comments]


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The Thing That God Can't Do


Uploaded on Dec 3, 2010 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

I can do something that the mythological Abrahamic God can't: I can forgive someone without giving them an ultimatum. Omnipotent my ass. Love is unconditional...God is not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdxeqEoDXco [with (over 8,000) comments] [(linked in) http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=94510003 and preceding (and any future following)]

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Family Guy - Joseph's wedding night


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bbUUA7Q6TU [with comments] [the video that was at/see (linked in):
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=89258496 and preceding and following
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=86275935 and preceding (and any future following)
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=82772319 and preceding and following
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=80506176 and preceding and following
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=76218229 and preceding (and any future following)]


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Virgin Mary Icon In Honolulu Produces Myrrh, Cures Man Of Blindness

Posted: 11/26/2013 7:33 pm EST

Parishioners at a small, "cozy" Russian Orthodox Church in Hawaii [ http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/hawaii-icon-produces-myrrh-considered-a-miracle/-/8905354/23146986/-/wkh1wlz/-/index.html ] say they have a lot to be thankful for.

"We certainly don't deserve it," Father Antole Lyovin says of the church's good fortune. After all, the Holy Theotokos of Iveron Russian Orthodox Church in Honolulu is home to not one, but two miracle icons [ http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/hawaii-icon-claimed-to-cure-man-of-blindness/-/8905354/23148074/-/ms8nhhz/-/index.html ].

The church's image of the Virgin Mary and Christ child and a wooden cross both are said to produce myrrh, an oily resin that Father Lyovin describes as "drops that are like dew, dew on grass."

The myrrh is said to smell sweet, like roses, and hold miraculous healing powers. It's credited with healing a young girl who was diagnosed with a brain tumor and for restoring sight to a man who was mostly blind from a football accident.

"Before he had the accident," Father Lyovin told KITV of the latter miracle, "he was not 20/20. But now he became 20/20."

The Honolulu image of the Virgin Mary started producing myrrh five years ago. While the icon is taken on tours around the country, its existence is little known outside of the Russian Orthodox church. The image is based on the Panagia Portaitissa, or the Iveron Theotokos [ http://orthodoxwiki.org/Panagia_Portaitissa ; image (next below) http://orthodoxwiki.org/File:Portaitissa.jpg ],

which was supposedly painted by Luke the Evangelist and is now housed on Mount Athos in Greece. The original prototype and many of its copies are also credited with wonderworking.

The Honolulu icon is an exact replica of a Montreal version, which streamed myrrh for fifteen years (1982-1997) and was cared for by Brother Jose Muñoz-Cortes. On the fifteenth anniversary of Brother Jose's death, the Honolulu icon started producing its myrrh.

Ever since, according to Father Lyovin, "A drop appears here, a drop appears there. And it starts flowing down. So, how can you fake that?"

Father Lyovin doesn't mind skeptics. He quotes the gospel saying that some have eyes but cannot see and have ears but cannot hear.

"I think," he told KITV thoughtfully, "even belief, to some extent, is sometimes a blessing."

Copyright © 2013 TheHuffingtonPost.com, Inc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/virgin-mary-icon-honolulu_n_4346591.html [with embedded video report, and comments]


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The God and Mary Sex Video


Uploaded on Jul 17, 2009 DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

Footage of the conception of Jesus Christ.

The Questions Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQOTNRRTiWs

Other Answers Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Wx6-c8VSo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyI2qZEA9gg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wyt8gCIZHA [with comments]


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11 Things Everyone Should Know About Virginity Culture

11/27/2013
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/27/virginity-culture-things-everyone-should-know_n_4311662.html [with comments]


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Biblical Baby Mamas


Published on Sep 24, 2013 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

A bible favorite of mine. Shit's about to get real, son.

Please check out JaclynGlenn here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/JaclynGlenn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P6SmD6yBF0 [with (just about 4,000) comments] [(linked in) http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=94512225 and preceding (and any future following)]


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Bishops Sued Over Anti-Abortion Policies at Catholic Hospitals

By ERIK ECKHOLM
Published: December 2, 2013

The American Civil Liberties Union [ http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/a/american_civil_liberties_union/index.html ] announced on Monday that it had filed a lawsuit against the nation’s Roman Catholic bishops, arguing that their anti-abortion [ http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/surgery/abortion/overview.html ] directives to Catholic hospitals hamper proper care of pregnant women in medical distress, leading to medical negligence.

The suit was filed in federal court [ https://www.aclu.org/religion-belief-womens-rights/aclu-sues-bishops-behalf-pregnant-woman-denied-care-catholic-hospital ] in Michigan on Friday on behalf of a woman who says she did not receive accurate information or care at a Catholic hospital there, exposing her to dangerous infections after her water broke at 18 weeks of pregnancy [ http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/pregnancy/index.html ].

In an unusual step, she is not suing the hospital, Mercy Health Partners in Muskegon, but rather the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops [ http://www.usccb.org/ ]. Its ethical and religious directives [ http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/health-care/upload/Ethical-Religious-Directives-Catholic-Health-Care-Services-fifth-edition-2009.pdf ], the suit alleges, require Catholic hospitals to avoid abortion or referrals, “even when doing so places a woman’s health or life at risk.”

The suit opens a new front in the clash over religious rights and medical care. The Catholic Church has fought against requiring all health plans to include coverage of contraception [ http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/specialtopic/birth-control-and-family-planning/overview.html ] and is likely to call the new lawsuit an attack on its core religious principles.

Catholic hospitals account for about one in six of the country’s hospital beds and in many regions their influence is spreading as they forge alliances with non-Catholic medical groups.

“This isn’t about religious freedom, it’s about medical care,” said Louise Melling, deputy legal director of the civil liberties union, in a telephone news conference on Monday.

Both the Muskegon hospital and the bishops conference declined to comment.

Tamesha Means, the plaintiff in the lawsuit, said that when she was 18 weeks pregnant her water broke and she rushed to Mercy Health, the only hospital in her county.

Her fetus had virtually no chance of surviving, according to medical experts who reviewed the case, and in these circumstances doctors usually induce labor or surgically remove the fetus to reduce the mother’s chances of infection.

But the doctors at Mercy Health, Ms. Means said, did not tell her that the fetus could not survive or that continuing her pregnancy was risky and did not admit her for observation.

She returned the next morning, bleeding and in pain, and was sent home again. That night she went a third time, feverish and writhing with pain; she miscarried at the hospital and the fetus died soon after.

At the news conference Monday, Dr. Douglas W. Laube [ http://www.obgyn.wisc.edu/directory/detail.aspx?id=25 ], an obstetrician at the University of Wisconsin Medical School, described the care Ms. Means received as “basic neglect.” He added, “It could have turned into a disaster, with both baby and mother dying.”

The A.C.L.U. said it had filed suit against the bishops because there had been several cases in recent years in which Catholic hospital policies on abortion had interfered with medical care.

John M. Haas, president of the National Catholic Bioethics Center [ http://ncbcenter.org/ ] in Philadelphia and an adviser to the bishops, said he could not speak about the current suit because he was unfamiliar with it. But he said that the bishops’ directives were more nuanced than critics allege, allowing for actions to treat a woman at risk even if that treatment might result in the loss of the fetus.

He said some hospitals might have misinterpreted the bishops’ rules and added that doctors were required to tell patients of potential risks and alternatives, though they may not provide direct abortion referrals.

In 2010, the diocese of Phoenix stripped a hospital of its affiliation [ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/22/us/22brfs-HOSPITALLOSE_BRF.html (and see {linked in} http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=57873381 and preceding and following, http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=59267528 and preceding and following)] after doctors there said they performed an abortion to save a mother’s life.

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ACLU, Michigan woman sue Catholic Bishops over hospital rules

By Dana Ford, CNN
updated 7:53 AM EST, Tue December 3, 2013

(CNN) -- Tamesha Means' water broke early on December 1, 2010.

Just 18 weeks pregnant, she called a friend for a ride to Mercy Health Partners, the only hospital in Muskegon County, Michigan.

During that visit, and two others the following day, Means was in excruciating pain.

She was sent home twice -- given pain medication, told to return if her contractions became unbearable -- and was waiting to be discharged for a third time when she started to give birth.

The baby died less than three hours after it was delivered.

That's all according to a lawsuit filed on her behalf by the American Civil Liberties Union last week, which also said that Means' fetus had almost no chance of surviving and continuing the pregnancy posed serious risks to her health.

Health care providers at the hospital knew those facts to be true, the suit alleges, but failed to tell Means about the risks and the option of ending her pregnancy because they follow directives from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, which do not permit abortion.

"As a direct result of these religious Directives, Ms. Means suffered severe, unnecessary, and foreseeable physical and emotional pain and suffering," reads the lawsuit, which was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan.

It accuses the USCCB and others of negligence "for promulgating and implementing directives that cause pregnant women who are suffering from a miscarriage to be denied appropriate medical care, including information about their condition and treatment options."

It seeks damages and a declaration that the defendants' actions were negligent.

'Abortion ... is never permitted'

At the center of the case is what is known as the Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services -- a set of guidelines that advises Catholic health care providers and patients what to do.

Specifically, the lawsuit mentions directives No. 27 and No. 45.

Directive 27 states: "Free and informed consent requires that the person or the person's surrogate receive all reasonable information about the essential nature of the proposed treatment and its benefits; its risks, side-effects, consequences, and cost; and any reasonable and morally legitimate alternatives, including no treatment at all."

The termination of a pregnancy would not be considered "morally legitimate," as outlined in directive 45.

"Abortion (that is, the directly intended termination of pregnancy before viability or the directly intended destruction of a viable fetus) is never permitted," that directive reads.

Still, the USCCB is not standing by doctors, whispering in their ears, telling them what to do, said Robin Wilson, a law professor at the University of Illinois who focuses on bioethics, health law and religious liberty.

"You would have to show some sort of control, or agency, or direct duty in order to reach up to them. ... What I read didn't seem to make the linkages that I would have wanted to see," she said, adding that she thinks the case will be difficult for the ACLU to argue.

"Creative claims win sometimes. It's just conceptually hard to get my mind around it," Wilson said.

Don Clemmer, a spokesman for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, declined to comment on the Michigan case.

A call to Mercy Health Partners was not immediately returned Monday.

'It's about medical care'

Means' lawsuit raises issues similar to a recent case in Ireland.

There, a woman died after being denied an abortion last year [ http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/08/world/europe/ireland-abortion-controversy/index.html ].

Seventeen weeks pregnant, Savita Halappanavar, 31, went into a hospital complaining of back pain.

The doctors who examined her told her she was having a miscarriage but refused to do an abortion even though she was in extreme pain, her husband said.

Days later, Halappanavar died from a blood infection, leading lawmakers to call for an investigation into what role abortion laws may have played in her death.

"They knew they couldn't help the baby. Why did they not look at the bigger life?" her husband, Praveen Halappanavar, told the Irish Times.

According to the Michigan lawsuit, Means was diagnosed with preterm premature rupture of membranes. At the time she gave birth, she had acute chorioamnionitis and acute funisitis, infections she developed after her membranes ruptured.

When left untreated, both can result in infertility and cause other problems, the lawsuit states.

It says that Means should have been told about her treatment options, including the termination of her pregnancy.

She also should have been told about the risks associated with continuing the pregnancy and that even if she decided to go ahead with it, there was virtually no chance the fetus would survive, the lawsuit says.

Had Means known the full extent of her condition, she would have opted to end the pregnancy, according to the lawsuit.

The ACLU filed the suit to get relief for Means and to make sure that what happened to her won't happen to other women, said Louise Melling, national deputy legal director at the ACLU.

"We care about the right to practice religion," she said. "But this case isn't about religious freedom. It's about medical care."

CNN's Ashley Fantz contributed to this report.

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Related

Opinion: Popular pope, but same old church
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/08/opinion/cahill-pope-francis/index.html

Pregnant teen dies after abortion ban delays chemo treatment for leukemia
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/18/world/americas/dominican-republic-abortion/index.html

Irish Parliament passes exception to abortion ban
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/11/world/europe/ireland-abortion/index.html

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ACLU sues Catholic bishops


Antiabortion demonstrators gather in June outside Hoag Hospital in Newport Beach to celebrate its decision to halt elective abortions at the hospital. Hoag Hospital's decision was announced after it partnered with a Catholic healthcare provider, though administrators said the policy change on abortion was a business move by a hospital that performs fewer than 100 abortions a year.
(Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times / June 20, 2013)


Robin Abcarian
December 3, 2013, 10:04 a.m.

Everyone knows that Catholic hospitals don’t perform elective abortions. Incomprehensibly, Catholic hospitals even fall afoul of the church if they perform an abortion [ http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/abortion-HEPAS000029.topic ] to save a mother’s life.

But are they negligent if they fail to merely inform a pregnant woman that abortion is the safest option when her health is in danger and her fetus faces certain death? And that if she wants an abortion, she should seek help elsewhere?

That’s the crux of the issue in a negligence lawsuit filed by the ACLU [ https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/complaint_final_1.pdf ] on behalf of Tamesha Means, a Michigan woman whose local hospital treated her with Tylenol and sent her home twice after her water broke 18 weeks into her pregnancy. The suit alleges that the hospital, the only one within 30 miles of Means' home, did not tell her that her fetus was doomed, nor that inducing labor and terminating the pregnancy was the only way to reduce the risk of a dangerous infection.

But there is a twist in this case.

Instead of filing suit against Mercy Health Partners, the Muskegon, Mich., hospital where the incident took place, the ACLU took the unusual step of suing the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops [ http://www.latimes.com/topic/religion-belief/christianity/roman-catholicism/united-states-conference-of-catholic-bishops-ORCUL000006.topic ], which sets the rules for Catholic hospitals on many aspects of care, including abortion.

The rules, which apply theological principles to the practice of medicine, are laid out in a document, “Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Healthcare Services [ http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/health-care/upload/Ethical-Religious-Directives-Catholic-Health-Care-Services-fifth-edition-2009.pdf ].” Certain medical procedures, the bishops say, are “intrinsically” evil; among them abortion, assisted suicide and sterilization.

The case, which was filed in federal court Friday, comes at a moment when the clash between religious beliefs and healthcare is playing out in courts across the country.

Last week, the Supreme Court agreed to hear a case challenging President Obama [ http://www.latimes.com/topic/politics/government/barack-obama-PEPLT007408.topic ]’s signature healthcare reform law, which requires health plans offered by for-profit companies to include contraception [ http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/birth-control-HETHT000011.topic ] coverage. Hobby Lobby [ http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/sebelius-v-hobby-lobby-stores-inc/ ], a craft company owned by a Christian family, has claimed the rule infringes on its religious beliefs.

“The lawsuit is not about abortion or contraception,” said Kary L. Moss, executive director of the Michigan ACLU in a conference call with reporters Monday. “It involves access to adequate emergency medical care.” The bishops, she said, are “ultimately responsible because of the directives.”

The plaintiff in the lawsuit, Means, a 30-year-old mother of four, said she suffered “severe, unnecessary, and foreseeable physical and emotional pain and suffering” when she was treated over a three-day period in December 2010. On her third visit to the hospital, suffering from two acute infections and in extreme pain, she delivered a premature baby, in the breech, or feet-first, position. The baby died 2-1/2 hours later.

The hospital, she said, never told her the baby’s life was in jeopardy after her water broke, and as a result, the suit contends, she was unprepared for the turn of events, and devastated. Means is seeking damages, said Moss, and an admission that the bishops’ actions were negligent.

Neither the bishops nor the hospital have responded to the lawsuit.

“The case is in many ways simple and strikes at basic values…and a super simple proposition,” said ACLU National Deputy Legal Director Louise Melling. “You expect medical professionals to provide care appropriate to your condition and offer information about your alternatives. That’s not what happened to Tamesha Means.”

The Catholic heirarchy can extract a heavy price from hospitals that disobey the rules. In 2010, St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center in Phoenix was stripped of its affiliation with the church after doctors performed an abortion on a woman who was 11 weeks pregnant in order to save her life. She had a condition, pulmonary hypertension, that had a nearly 100% chance of killing her had her pregnancy continued.

The hospital's president, Linda Hunt, was unrepentant: "If we are presented with a situation in which a pregnancy threatens a woman's life, our first priority is to save both patients. If that is not possible, we will always save the life we can save, and that is what we did in this case. Morally, ethically, and legally, we simply cannot stand by and let someone die whose life we might be able to save."

Curious to see how they read, I looked up the bishops’ directives [ http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/health-care/upload/Ethical-Religious-Directives-Catholic-Health-Care-Services-fifth-edition-2009.pdf ]. The document says lovely and high-minded things about the healing mission of Jesus Christ [ http://www.latimes.com/topic/religion-belief/christianity/jesus-christ-PEHST00000165.topic ]. It talks about compassion, and about "Christian love" as the animating principle of healthcare delivered in Catholic hospitals.

But when it comes to dangerous pregnancies, compassion is only available to the unborn child. A suffering mother in the midst of a dangerous miscarriage [ http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/physical-conditions/miscarriage-HEPHC0000143.topic ] is pretty much out of luck.

There appears to be only one situation where putting a mother’s life above her unborn child’s is permissible, according to the directives: “Operations, treatments, and medications that have as their direct purpose the cure of a proportionately serious pathological condition of a pregnant woman are permitted when they cannot be safely postponed until the unborn child is viable, even if they will result in the death of the unborn child.”

I guess that means if a pregnant woman has cancer and needs lifesaving treatment that is incompatible with pregnancy, she can have her treatment. But if her life is at risk from a complication of the pregnancy itself, too bad for her. She can die with the baby.

Last year in Ireland, where abortion remains illegal in almost all cases, this exact scenario played out. Savita Halappanar, a 31-year-old dentist, began miscarrying 17 weeks into her pregnancy. She and her husband pleaded with doctors at Galway University Hospital to induce an abortion, but they refused, telling the couple “this is a Catholic country.” (Halappanar was Hindu, of Indian origin.) She developed a raging infection. Rather than terminate the pregnancy, her doctors allowed her to die of multiple organ failure.

How very life-affirming.

Could that happen here? Means, it turns out, was not the only miscarrying woman who did not receive the normal standard of care at Mercy Health Partners. Her case was discovered by a public health educator working on a federally funded infant and fetal mortality project, who also found four other, similar cases where the hospital failed to induce labor in pregnant women whose membranes had broken before their fetuses were viable.

According to the lawsuit, when the educator brought the cases to the attention of Mercy Health Partners' vice president of mission services, Joseph O'Meara, he said the decision not to induce labor was proper because the bishops’ directives prohibit such a thing.

“While we are all entitled to our religious beliefs,” said Dr. Douglas Laube, a past president of the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists who was on the ACLU conference call, “hospitals should not be allowed to impose them on patients and staff who do not share them.”

At the very least, a pregnant woman in danger must be told what her condition is and what her options are. What the bishops think is beside the point.

Copyright © 2013, Los Angeles Times

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God of the Paradox


Uploaded on Nov 14, 2011

What if we solved all our problems this way? Late paying the rent? Just tell your landlord that you paid him with supermoney, which is better than money, but he just can't see it right now.

The paradox and the supernatural are symbiotic. "Beyond" space and time, omniscience, omnibenevolence, omnipotence, omnipresence, freewill, a grand plan, divine intervention, heaven, hell, souls, miracles, and life after death are completely invented concepts that have severe logical problems that are explained away by the word "supernatural", which is also completely made up.

Lightning and rainbows were once obviously supernatural. Those claims failed when they became testable, as will any claim attributed to the supernatural - no matter how obvious they seem to you.

These are good people:
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http://www.youtube.com/user/proportionalresponse
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Softly, softly catchee dastardly demons. The Catholic Church is on a stealth exorcism mission in Mexico.

By Barry Duke – November 26, 2013

THINGS are grim in Mexico. Drug-related crime is spiralling out of control and the the country’s problems are devilish. Literally.

A BBC report [ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25032305 ] quotes Father Carlos Triana, a priest and an exorcist in Mexico City as saying:

We believe that behind all these big and structural evils there is a dark agent and his name is The Demon. That is why the Lord wants to have here a ministry of exorcism and liberation, for the fight against the Devil. As much as we believe that the Devil was behind Adolf Hitler [see (linked in) http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=53353948 and preceding and following], possessing and directing him, we also believe that he (the Devil) is here behind the drug cartels.

And there was silly me thinking that the Catholic Church played a major role in supporting the Great Dictator’s ambitions and the atrocities that flowed from them [id.].

At any rate, Mexico’s exorcists say they can’t barge in mob-handed and all gung-ho, like them geezers in Ghostbusters.

The Church is not going to go on TV and say: ‘Look, we think that Mexico is going to get better and be saved if we do exorcisms because the Devil is behind all of this.’ We have to be discreet [with exorcisms] or else we may be ridiculed, even by our own followers.

Another Mexico City exorcist, Father Francisco Bautista, chimed in with the suggestion that things are being made far worse by large numbers of Mexicans joining the cult of Saint Death, or Santa Muerte.



It is estimated that the cult, whose followers worship a skull in a wedding dress carrying a scythe, has some eight million followers in Mexico – and more among Mexican migrants in Central America, the US and Canada.

Said Bautista:

It has also been adopted by the drug traffickers who ask her for help to avoid arrest and to make money. In exchange they offer human sacrifices. And this has increased the violence in Mexico.

Another reason for an exorcism offensive, he argues, is to fend off the evils that arose through the decriminalisation of abortions in Mexico City, in 2007. Both the cult and abortion have given evil spirits a foothold in the country, he insists.

Both things are closely related. There is an infestation of demons in Mexico because we have opened our doors to Death.

One of the biggest San Muerta sanctuaries was established by a woman in her 60s, Enriqueta Romero, who says the church itself bears responsibility for the rise of the cult, having shot itself in the foot with the worldwide child abuse scandal.

They finished off our faith with the things that the priests did. What can they criticise? That we believe in Death? That is not bad. What’s bad is what they did.

Says journalist Jose Gil Olmos, who has published two books on Saint Death.

The biggest presence is in the poorest sectors of Mexican society. In modern times the numbers of followers exploded, especially after the early 1990s economic meltdown.

Many middle-class Mexicans found themselves in misery. In despair they searched for hope, and some turned to Saint Death, Olmos says.

From approximately eight years ago we have seen Santa Muerte having a big presence with drug cartel members, from the bosses all the way down. Why? Because these people say that Jesus or the Virgin Mary can’t provide what they ask for, which is to be protected from soldiers, police and their enemies.

Copyright The Freethinker

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8 Highlights From The Illinois Marriage Equality Exorcism


Bishop Thomas Paprocki

By Zack Ford on November 21, 2013 at 10:37 am

As promised [ http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/11/15/2947921/illinois-bishop-offer-exorcism-marriage-equality/ ], Springfield, Illinois Bishop Thomas Paprocki delivered a “Homily for Prayers of Supplication and Exorcism in Reparation for the Sin of Same-Sex Marriage” simultaneously as Gov. Pat Quinn (D) signed the marriage equality bill [ http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/11/20/2976071/illinois-governor-signs-marriage-equality-law/ ] Wednesday. That homily [ http://www.dio.org/blog/item/350-bishop-paprocki-s-homily-for-prayers-of-supplication-and-exorcism-in-reparation-for-the-sin-of-same-sex-marriage.html#sthash.4DGJ54ec.2Ee5aLdS.dpbs ] provides many insights into the anti-gay beliefs still maintained by the Catholic Church that inform its ongoing campaigns against allowing legal recognition for same-sex couples’ civil marriages.

Here are some highlights:

Condemning Homosexuality As Sinful Is Not “Hateful”:

It is not hateful to say that an immoral action is sinful. On the contrary, the most compassionate thing we can do is help people to turn away from sin… It is not the Church that must change to conform its teachings to the views of the world, but it is each individual who is called to be configured to Christ.

This Is Just A “Minor Exorcism”:

Perhaps a large part of the negative reaction is because most people don’t know what the Church teaches about exorcism, since they get their misleading information and sensational ideas on this mainly from Hollywood. The fact is that a “minor exorcism” takes place in every Baptism and Confirmation ceremony when we renounce Satan and all his works and empty promises. This prayer service will be along those lines. I’m not saying that anyone involved in the redefinition of marriage is possessed by the devil, which, if that were the case, would require the remedy of a “Major Exorcism,” but all of us are certainly subject to the devil’s evil influences and in need of protection and deliverance from evil.

The Devil Is Responsible For Promoting Same-Sex Marriage:

Our prayer service today and my words are not meant to demonize anyone, but are intended to call attention to the diabolical influences of the devil that have penetrated our culture, both in the state and in the Church. These demonic influences are not readily apparent to the undiscerning eye, which is why they are so deceptive. A helpful resource in this regard is a recent book by Father Louis J. Cameli, a priest of the Archdiocese of Chicago, called The Devil You Don’t Know: Recognizing and Resisting Evil in Everyday Life. While the popular tendency may be to identify the devil only with his extraordinary activity, which is diabolical possession, Father Cameli writes about the ordinary work of the devil: deception, division, diversion and discouragement.

Paprocki proceeded to quote Pope Francis from back in 2010, when then-Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio wrote that allowing same-sex marriage in Argentina was a product of the “father of lies [ http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2010/07/may-holy-family-join-us-in-this-war-of.html ]” that was “destructive to the plan of God” and would “gravely harm the family.” The Illinois bishop concludes, “Pope Francis is saying that same-sex ‘marriage’ comes from the devil and should be condemned as such.”

Marriage’s Sole Purpose Is Reproduction:

Another major deception or distortion of marriage is the view that it is not ultimately about generating life, but rather is mainly about a romantic relationship designed for individual (not even mutual) fulfillment. That distorted understanding cuts across opposite-sex marriage and same-sex marriage proponents in our culture. We are all summoned to reflect more deeply on the truth of marriage.

Nearly 4,000 same-sex couples [ http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Census2010Snapshot_Illinois_v2.pdf ] in Illinois are raising children together — presumably in “mutual fulfillment.”

Same-Sex Parenting Somehow Harms Children:

It is also a deception to say that there will be no adverse effects on children being brought up in the household of a same-sex couple.

He is likely referring to the decades of social science [ http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/10/28/2843991/sex-parenting-research/ ] showing that gender and sexual orientation have no impact on parenting ability. Only a few scattered flawed studies [ http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/11/18/2957551/michigan-regnerus-parenting/ ] purport to support his assertion.

The Devil Uses Same-Sex Marriage To Divide People And Waste Resources:

The division brought about by the Devil due to same-sex marriage may be seen in the way our society, our families and our friendships have become so divided and polarized over this issue.

The diversion of the Devil in same-sex marriage may be seen in the fact that so much of our time, energy and resources are being spent in addressing this issue, when there are more pressing needs facing our state and our Church.


The Catholic Church continues to devise strategies [ http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/09/04/2569861/catholic-marriage-strategy/ ] and dedicate significant resources [ http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/11/15/1199881/catholic-church-spent-2-million-fighting-equality-in-2012/ ] to fighting same-sex marriage, even though polls show that American Catholics actually support marriage equality [ http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/03/06/1679441/poll-catholics-dont-share-many-values-with-the-catholic-church/ ] at higher rates than the national average. The irony is apparently lost on Bishop Paprocki.

The Only Way To Help Gay People Is To Tell Them To Be Chaste:

The Church loves homosexual persons and looks upon them with compassion, offering assistance through support groups such as the Courage Apostolate to live in accord with the virtue of chastity. Indeed, all people all called to chastity, which for a man and woman united in matrimony means for the husband and wife to be faithful to each other.

The Courage ministry borrows the same shame-counseling tactics that ex-gay therapy uses to convince gay people to never have a loving sexual relationship, and even invites ex-gay therapists to help train Courage counselors [ http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/07/15/2303331/catholic-courage-ex-gay/ ].

This Is For Your Own Good, Gay Community:

In conclusion, I quote from a homily given in the second century: “Let me say also that when we are given a warning and corrected for doing something wrong, we should not be so foolish as to take offense and be angry. There are times when we are unconscious of the sins we commit because our hearts are fickle, lacking in faith. Futile desires becloud our minds. We need to pull ourselves up, therefore, because our very salvation is at stake. Those who keep God’s commandments will have reason to rejoice. For a short time in this world they may have to suffer, but they will rise again and their reward will endure for ever. No one who holds God in reverence should grieve over the hardships of this present time, for a time of blessedness awaits him. He will live again in heaven in the company of all those who have gone before him; for all eternity he will rejoice, never to know sorrow again.”

May God give us this grace. Amen.


It’s unclear if Paprocki had a clear goal for the outcome of this exorcism. It does nothing to undo Gov. Quinn’s signature, nor is it likely to inhibit public opinion’s momentum in favor of same-sex marriage — either among Catholics or otherwise.

© 2013 Center for American Progress Action Fund (emphasis in original)

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Family Values


Uploaded on Jul 28, 2010 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

They always claim that their family values come from the bible, don't they?

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What People Are Really Thinking When They Invite you to Church

By Angela Jamene
Posted: 11/22/2013 12:42 pm

In the new era of "The Pope Francis Effect [ http://www.forbes.com/sites/ceciliarodriguez/2013/11/17/the-pope-francis-effect-everyones-loving-it-so-far/ ]", and people of all walks coming out [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/angela-jamene/the-plight-of-pastor-saee_b_4220184.html ] for the release of Pastor Saeed Abedini [ http://aclj.org/iran/pastor-saeed-alive-held-deadly-iranian-prison-iranian-family-allowed-visitation ], a lot of previously shy Christians are feeling more confident stepping up and out, and inviting you to church.

Which can be really annoying when you have zero interest in going to church, maybe that's why you're reading this. You may even be reading this thinking some version of "Anyone who would believe in some all-powerful man, who watches every little thing that every single person does, telling us to love each other, while he lets whole nations suffer from starvation and genocide, is out of their mind." That's what I used to think.

But I don't anymore.

Just over two years ago, I picked up a free bible [ http://biblesforamerica.org/free-bible-and-christian-books/ ], I had read it before but, this time, almost instantly, in a wave of emotions and realizations and revelations and a wide variety of indescribable sensations, I became a Christian. It happened. It was not deliberate and it was not a choice. It was what I thought never happened to anyone, it was what I had been so sure did not exist the way any of these nut jobs described it, but I'll be damned (pun intended) if it didn't happen to me. I got saved.

In any movie centered around a coming of age love triangle, the title character will ask "Dad, how did you know you loved mom?" or, if our lead is female, "Mom, how did you know you loved dad?" and whether mom or dad are answering, the answer is always the same, "I just knew."

It was like that. I just knew.

That's what they want for you. That's what the person that has sent you countless emails and texts about next Sunday, or called you every Saturday night asking to pick you up in the morning, wants for you. Every card from your grandma with bible passages written on it means she wants this for you. Every flyer from your neighbor, or old high school friend, about another church event means they want this for you. Every invitation to church is an "I love you and I want this indescribable love, peace, and joy for you because I genuinely care about you."

The people that invite you to church are just like that friend that insists that you try the new Puerto Rican restaurant downtown, they have experienced something amazing and they want it for you too. It's like that, but on almighty steroids. When a friend or a kindly stranger, a relative or a playgroup parent, says "Hey, why don't you come to church with me on Sunday?" what they mean is "I love you so much, I cannot describe what I know you can get from this because I can't even put into words what it has done for me." We understand that when you live in a world of sneaky advertising and suspicious sales scams, this sounds like just another one. But, it isn't.

On behalf of Christians everywhere, I would like you to know that we really, just whole-heartedly, love you. And, we want to share this infinite and ultimate love and acceptance with you. Whoever you are, whoever you love, and whoever you see yourself as or becoming or voting for, we love you. We want you to know Christ loves you, that's why we do that thing that used to annoy me so much and we remind you (and each other) in every way possible, through music and bumper stickers and even, well-intentioned but misguided, "Jesus Saves" graffiti. We apologize, collectively, for anyone who may have hurt you or wounded you in the name of a God they obviously needed more time getting to know, they had no right to do that, and we pray for the healing of those wounds.

And, yes, we would like to invite you to church.

How to choose a church, from In Touch Ministries
[ http://www.intouch.org/you/article-archive/content/topic/finding_the_right_church_article ]


Copyright © 2013 TheHuffingtonPost.com, Inc. (emphasis in original)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/angela-jamene/what-people-are-really-th_b_4306949.html [with comments]

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'Pope Francis Effect' In United States Minimal, Pew Poll


11/25/2013
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/25/pope-francis-effect-united-states_n_4339997.html [with comments]


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God's Moral Framework


Uploaded on May 13, 2010 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

It's hard to believe that people think our laws are based on the bible. It is quite clear that the commandments, especially the revised ones (NONE of which are laws today), are the meaningless traditions of an ancient, superstitious people - not an objective moral code sent down by some mysterious, all-powerful, never-seen being.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjhFlI6-ZBI [with comments]


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EPIC GOD FAIL


Uploaded on Aug 12, 2009 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

Biggest face palm in history. Oh, and babies are delicious - especially with oregano.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwiU7thK54 [with comments]


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The Book of Job


Published on Apr 27, 2012 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

This is bully porn.

Why do bad things happen to good people? Well, we're actually made privy of God's "mysterious" reason in this particular case, and we find out that it isn't so mysterious after all. Historically, Job has been revered as a great work of literature. Nobody really knows who wrote it, but the powers that be figured it had to be God-breathed. This book disgusts me mainly because it values material possessions over sons and daughters. Job's children were killed, and he's supposed to be fine with that because God returned twice the amount of his possessions. Sorry, not good enough. Yeah, Job had ten more kids, but as any parent who has lost a child can tell you: ONE CHILD DOES NOT REPLACE ANOTHER. This book touts an immoral message, and it's paraded by many as deep and insightful. Many religious folk are told what this book is about, but don't actually read it for themselves, or they squirm with inaccurate interpretations that are directly contrary to the actual literature. They're almost forced to, because they've devoted themselves to the bible, and this immoral message is in the bible. But the message is quite easy to understand. Fuck this book.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVgZqnsytJI [with (over 8,000) comments]


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Let God Sort Them Out


Uploaded on Jan 14, 2009 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

9 people die and God must sort them out. Who will frolic in Heaven? Who will roast in hell? The only criterion for getting into Heaven is accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Are you good? Doesn't matter. Bad? Ditto. Morality from the Bible? How?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuJoC7Lz6SI [with (over 5,000) comments]


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God's Priorities


Uploaded on Jul 8, 2011 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

Thanking God and saying prayers for yourself is arrogant and selfish. There are people in much worse situations than you. Why should you be a higher priority? Why are you so special? WHY? I'll tell you why. It's because your god is really nothing more than an extension of your own ego.

These videos need some sanity in the comments section:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g-uZ7lTU0Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MJibUSocPw&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IKkfBKLApY [with comments]


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How God Favors Evil


Published on Mar 27, 2012 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

If the Abrahamic God is real, then He cares more about the rapist's freedom to rape, and the murderer's freedom to murder, than He cares about the lives of their victims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BzP1wr234 [with (over 14,000) comments]


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God's Priorities 2


Published on Nov 24, 2012 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

People accept certain behaviors from their god that they'd never accept from their fellow humans.

They ask God for "things and stuff" (right, Bill O'Reilly?), and God provides (even though perfectly natural explanations abound), while ignoring those in true need. What about you? Did you stand idly by while a baby drowned in a puddle? If you did, then you're evil. God stood idly by while a baby drowned? Well, that baby needed to feel the horrifying pain and panic of fluid filling his lungs and suffocating him in order for "God's plan" to play out. What?! Or maybe there is no God - or no omnipotent god - and nature is indifferent to our suffering. People will jump through some terrible hoops just to maintain the beliefs they like.

Gags pertaining to this video: Mormons are supposed to believe that after they die, they'll reign over an entire planet. Mitt Romney has said that Jesus will reign from Missouri and Jerusalem when he returns (interesting choices, JC...not MY first, but what the hell...JC does what JC wants). Mormons are also supposed to wear "sacred" undergarments (magic underwear).

Hostess has gone out of business due to labor disputes. Some ultra right wing Conservative pundits have actually tried to blame Michelle Obama, as she has been so outspoken and active in advocating healthy eating habits for children. In no way do I believe Michelle Obama had anything to do with it. I'm just poking fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pX6SdLI_qs [with (over 4,000) comments]


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Gap in Chemo Makes Amish Girl's Leukemia More Difficult to Treat, Say Doctors


This Oct. 6, 2006 file photo shows a horse draws an Amish carriage through Georgetown in Bart Township Pennsylvania.
Chris Hondros/Getty Images


By GILLIAN MOHNEY via Good Morning America
Nov. 28, 2013

A 10-year-old Amish girl whose family stopped chemotherapy treatments for her leukemia faces severe health risks even if she restarts treatment, according to doctors.

Sarah Hershberger and her family fled their home in northeast Ohio days before a state appeals court appointed a guardian to take over medical decisions for Sarah's parents.

The family has left the country to find alternative treatments and has no plans to return to Ohio anytime soon, according to the family's lawyer, Maurice Thompson.

"It's the constitutional right, but [there's a] moral right to refuse conventional medical treatment," Thompson told ABC News Wednesday.

Sarah was diagnosed last April with stage III lymphoblastic lymphoma, which is the most common type of leukemia found in children. According to court documents, the cancer produced tumors in Sarah's neck, chest and kidneys.

Although Sarah was initially treated with chemotherapy, her parents abruptly stopped treatment in June after the drugs made their daughter sick and she begged her parents to take her off the treatment.

Doctors said that by stopping the chemotherapy even temporarily, Sarah's leukemia could become even more difficult to treat.

Dr. Howard Weinstein, chief of pediatric hematology oncology at the Massachusetts General Hospital for Children in Boston, said the gap in treatment would likely mean that Sarah would need a more intense round of chemo if she resumed treatment.

"We don't want any gap, because the leukemia cells can multiply and become resistant to chemotherapy," said Weinstein

Weinstein explained that stopping Sarah's chemo for just a few months was long enough that if she returned for chemotherapy, "it would be pretty much starting again, but not with the same likelihood of cure. But definitely with a reasonable chance."

After the Hershbergers stopped chemotherapy for Sarah, they said they planned to treat her with unconventional and "natural" medications instead.

"We've seen how sick it makes her," Andy Hershberger told ABC News last August. "Our belief is the natural stuff will do just as much as that stuff if it's God's will. She would have more suffering doing chemo than not."

Weinstein said for many parents the first few months of chemotherapy could be very difficult as they watch their children becoming sick from the drugs.

"Both parents and children sometime think the therapy is worse than the disease if they were not terribly symptomatic when diagnosed," said Weinstein. "But the majority of families realize in order to cure the leukemia you have to go through difficulties."

Weinstein said many pediatric leukemia patients can "appear" to be cured after one month of chemotherapy but said previous studies had found that the leukemia would return if the treatment was not extended, because the cancerous cells can "hide" in the body.

Weinstein warned that if people quit chemotherapy early and switched to natural remedies, they might believe the new treatments were working.

"If you're taking natural, nonconventional therapy you might say, 'Oh my god it's working,'" said Weinstein. "But really, the first month of chemotherapy did all the work."

Weinstein said that without conventional long-term treatment, the type of leukemia that Sarah had would virtually always return in pediatric patients.

The Hershberger family was initially taken to court by the Akron Children's Hospital after it stopped chemotherapy treatment in June.

In October, an Ohio appeals court granted an attorney, who's also a registered nurse, limited guardianship over Sarah and the power to make medical decisions for her.

The court said the beliefs and convictions of her parents couldn't outweigh the rights of the state to protect the child.

ABC News' Anthony Castellano and Alex Perez contributed to this report.

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Amish Youth Experience Internet During Rumspringa
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/amish-youth-experience-internet-rumspringa-19307901

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http://abcnews.go.com/Health/gap-chemo-makes-amish-girls-leukemia-difficult-treat/story?id=21041475 [with embedded video report, and comments]


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Nonprofit backs Amish girl with cancer

Filed by Nick Glunt
November 28th, 2013

An appeal to the Ohio Supreme Court regarding a 10-year-old Amish girl, who was forced by a court order to continue chemotherapy to treat her cancer, has drawn the attention of an Ohio nonprofit.

The 1851 Center for Constitutional Law, headquartered in Columbus, has filed a brief in support of the family, who stopped treatments for their daughter in favor of alternative medicine — like herbs and vitamins — after seeing the negative side effects of chemotherapy.

The center urged the court to take the case, arguing the lower court’s ruling was unconstitutional.

“The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution clearly provides protection to parents in the ‘care, custody and control’ of their children,” center attorney Maurice Thompson wrote in a Nov. 15 brief, “including the right ‘to direct the upbringing … of children under their control.’ “

The girl, Sarah Hershberger, was ordered in October to continue treatments at no cost to the family after a back-and-forth legal struggle between Medina County Probate Court and the 9th District Court of Appeals.

She and her parents, Andy and Anna Hershberger, of Homer Township, oppose the chemotherapy because they believe it will kill the girl, according to court records. They have not been seen by authorities since at least Oct. 30.

Attorneys said the girl hasn’t had treatments since June, and physicians warned she will die within a year if she is not treated.

Thompson, in his brief, argued that Ohio law forbids the state from forcing medical treatment on someone who doesn’t want it.

“The family was asserting their rights under the Ohio Constitution in choosing to pursue other treatments,” Thompson wrote, “instead of continuing with invasive, debilitating chemotherapy for their daughter.”

Sarah Hershberger’s case began in April, when she was admitted to Akron Children’s Hospital. The hospital sued after she stopped treatments, asking a court to appoint attorney and nurse Maria Schimer as the girl’s “limited guardian,” which would grant Schimer sole authority to make the girl’s medical decisions.

In the October ruling, Schimer was appointed as guardian.

Akron Children’s Hospital representatives declined to comment.

Thompson said in his brief that the Supreme Court should step in because the case sets serious precedent.

“The outcome of this case will affect many Ohioans and their families,” he wrote. “Parents make decisions on behalf of their children each and every day without considering whether the state or a third party will assert an interest in their decision.”

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Where are Amish parents with sick girl? Family gone for month
http://medinagazette.northcoastnow.com/2013/11/26/where-is-amish-family-with-sick-girl/

Judge orders Amish girl to return to chemo
http://medinagazette.northcoastnow.com/2013/10/11/judge-orders-amish-girl-to-return-to-chemo/

Appeals court favors hospital again in Amish girl's cancer case
http://medinagazette.northcoastnow.com/2013/10/04/appeals-court-favors-hospital-again-in-amish-girls-cancer-case/

Another appeal filed in Amish girl's cancer case
http://medinagazette.northcoastnow.com/2013/09/13/another-appeal-filed-in-amish-girls-cancer-case/

Judge favors Amish family again in guardianship suit
http://medinagazette.northcoastnow.com/2013/09/04/breaking-judge-favors-amish-family-again-in-guardianship-suit/

Hospital wins appeal in Amish girl guardianship case
http://medinagazette.northcoastnow.com/2013/08/28/hospital-wins-appeal-in-amish-girl-guardianship-case/

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© 2013 The Medina County Gazette

http://medinagazette.northcoastnow.com/2013/11/28/nonprofit-files-appeal-in-case-of-amish-girl/ [with comment]


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Inappropriate For Children


Uploaded on Jan 20, 2011 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

The bible...it's not for kids. Is it tantamount to exposing a child to pornography or violence? I think so. It should be age restricted. The four sentences you just read came under some criticism for comparing the bible to porn, as porn is intended of sexual gratification, whereas the bible is not meant for that and has plenty of pleasant bits mixed in with all the nastiness. So does a movie that's rated R or NC17, but I'm still not going to take a child to see them. The bible is a mature book that should be age restricted. The only reason for religious people to fight that is because it would hinder their child's brainwashing regimen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwMyjKQ725E [with comments]


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The God Delusion


Published on Jun 16, 2012 by ScientificUnity [ http://www.youtube.com/user/ScientificUnity ]

http://www.facebook.com/ScientificUnity

The Root of All Evil?, later retitled The God Delusion, is a television documentary written and presented by Richard Dawkins in which he argues that humanity would be better off without religion or belief in God.

The documentary was first broadcast in January 2006, in the form of two 45-minute episodes (excluding advertisement breaks), on Channel 4 in the UK.

Dawkins has said that the title The Root of All Evil? was not his preferred choice, but that Channel 4 had insisted on it to create controversy. The sole concession from the producers on the title was the addition of the question mark. Dawkins has stated that the notion of anything being the root of all evil is ridiculous. Dawkins' book The God Delusion, released in September 2006, goes on to examine the topics raised in the documentary in greater detail. The documentary was rebroadcast on the More4 channel on the 25th August 2010 under the title of The God Delusion. (Wikipedia [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion ])

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiHRVb_uE0 [with (approaching 25,000) comments]


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The Real God: An Epiphany


Uploaded on Aug 11, 2011 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

Because I was constantly being told that I'm rejecting God, and I knew that wasn't true, I decided to research rejection, which made me aware of its effects. My studies took me in a completely unexpected direction. The epiphany (pun intended) was rather shocking. The evidence indicates that the personal god is a manifestation of the ego, which explains a plethora of theistic tendencies, including their typical dislike of atheists, who theists subconsciously perceive to be rejecting a part of themselves. God is Tyler Durden; and the first rule of Jesus Club is you have to talk about Jesus Club. The second rule of Jesus Club is you have to talk about Jesus Club.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j8ZMMuu7MU [with (approaching 29,000) comments]


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God's God


Published on Feb 23, 2013 by DarkMatter2525 [ http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525 ]

God does have a creator, but it might not be who you think it is. Ironically, it was God who was intelligently designed - not us.
A special thank you to GrapplingIgnorance and True, who both gave me suggestions when I had writer's block.

For more on the argument I used against God's omniscience, watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vauFcJAnnTY
Sub to Noelplum99 for interesting arguments like that. He's worthwhile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODetOE6cbbc [with (over 19,000) comments]


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upon the Right of Election, 1790


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