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Hey Zhodar,
Good to hear you are still around. And glad to hear that Weasel and I have helped you learn along the way. Hopefully you are not too far in the hole on this one and maybe took advantage of trading opportunities along the way.
Anyway agree with what Weasel said.
The warrants I reference were part of the "uplist buzzcut offering". Are publicly traded under ZIVOW as Weasel noted. Not sure if you are familiar with stock options but they function similarly in that they have an exercise price (Currently $33) and an expiration (May 2026). But to exercise them it is alot more work than options. Anyway, you definitely should have an understanding of what you are doing if you should buy them. That said they can be bought and sold any time just like a stock. So that is an option as well and you do not have to exercise if you don't want to which you would only do if the stock is above $33. Bottomline is today, they have no value other than the value of "time" and are "out of the money" (common stock price is less than exercise price). So I am gambling. To have actual value and be "in the money", the common stock needs to go above $33 before May 2026 to have "real value". Easy example ..... were ZIVO to jump to $35 per share this week ... LOL .... the ZIVO warrants might have a value of $2-3 (common price - exercise price + time value = value). Personally I wouldn't presently have the desire to go through the exercise process and would likely sell them on the open market if that happened.
Also agree with Weasel in that it is very tough to commit new funds to a stock like this that if someone gets itchy, you can lose 30-40% in a blink of an eye, i.e. little to no fluid market for the stock and wide spreads. But to that point I do think again you gotta know what you are getting into if you buy a stock like this. As I've been saying, at this moment in time I see no reason anyone should be selling, but .... everyone has their own agenda and of course we don't have any idea what other investors goals/targets/position sizes/personal situations look like.
This stock has been resilient to say the least since the latest round of test results were announced. Someone is buying it steady IMO. And sellers are absorbed fairly quickly and the downdrafts get bought within a day or so. The key is watching to see if it continues and if there are any changes to that and the sentiment. Afterall sentiment is a big factor in stock prices as well. Did ZIVO deserve to be 48 cents last December ? Probably not. Does it deserve to be $16 now ? IMO yes ... and more ..... but sentiment and what someone is willing to pay at this point is anyone's guess.
We need more news from ZIVO. A plan, an update, no fuffy BS. Just ... what are you doing ? Still amazed no update on the expansion of algae production despite the assertion they have more demand than they can fulfill and or other avenues of potential revenue generation.
Anyway .... yeah I think minimum $20 .... but that's just me. =)
Amigo Mike
Hi Zhodar.
The warrants trade under symbol ZIVOW. However, they work VERY different than equities...so, please make sure you understand them before diving in. Much like the stock itself, they are very illiquid and spreads can be massive. Warrants are the ultimate "leveraged yolo" as there is no guarantee they will ever be in the money and/or worth something...so you must be ok understanding they could expire worthless. But, as Mike states, 'if' they hit...they could be huge.
I personally have not ever entered into the ZIVOW arena.
Yes, the buzzcut from the uplist fiasco (even though I made it out alive given I was small going into it and the stock became the most liquid it has ever been to TRADE it)...is the very reason I had little confidence to re-enter the position I 'typically' would try to hold or swing whilst the stock was trading sideways with no volume for 8 months. I just don't trust the company management.
And while I agree with Mike this time 'should' be different...chasing this thin tape/action is impossible for me to do sans REAL NEWS of execution. With as illiquid as this is currently, you could buy at $15-$16 in the morning and be back down to $10-$11 with a few K share sell that same day. No bueno. Hindsight is 20/20, so of course I/we all should have entered in the sideways action...c'est la vie!
All the best!
Where do you find the warrants to buy?
Side note. I have been reading your guys posts weekly for years, joined in 2017 when it was around ten cents avg if I remember right. You still got one person tuning in
For a new guy learning the ropes, your posts have been valuable enough alone and given me many insights on how to spot bad leadership and communication to investors - mostly from highlighting all the poor choices Zivo has made over the years. Still sore from the up list buzzcut and the free candy watering everything down.
Cheers towards the climb to 20.
Just linking chart here for last 3 years.
https://schrts.co/yYaRwJgC
You can see why I am saying $20 area only gets the stock back to its historical valuation from prior to early 2023 ... prior to the cluster**** test screw up by major animal pharma ..... that was not ZIVO's fault ....... that cost the company more than a year of wasted time.
Coccidiosis is back on track and still think latest test puts an animal pharma in the driver's seat for comprehensive disease mgmt program. $20 is too low with validation by major animal pharma and a license with the understanding that this application can readily be applied to other animals in short order.
Amigo Mike
Yeah,
Certainly understand. I have only sold enough of the stock position to cover the cost of stock and warrants and take some money out to ride free and then "let it ride". That sell was also posted here. And follows what you and I have been doing here for years.
Dunno if you dabbled in the warrants but I was intrigued by the leverage possible there so I scooped some of public warrants end of last year as well. Mentioned them a couple times. So I have some added leverage with those. But strike on those is $33. What if we get some license news with major animal pharma ?? What is the stock worth eh ? I think those warrants would pay off bigtime. Ya know I think it is worth minimum $20 now ... without license ..... with license for coccidiosis for broiler chickens ..... I think it's worth at least double that.
Need more news from ZIVO.
Amigo Mike
We have been, but I have been accused of such in the past.
Crazy that our avg cost is almost identical. lolol
Unfortunately, my size was sold on the rips higher in Jan/Feb...and the sideways, no volume action the rest of the year gave me zero opportunity to re-enter. Oh well.
So who gonna "flinch" into the close ......
..... personally I think a close above $15 for the week might open the door for a move to that $20 level I've been talking about.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Amigo Mike
LOL,
Well now I feel like I need to "prove it" as well ... LOL ..... although I think you and I have been as transparent as possible regarding what we are doing with this stock.
Mine is almost exactly same as yours as I had a leftover swing that I bought too early but most of that is .60 and .62 cents basis as posted here in early December last year.
Amigo Mike
haha...yes, our positions are well beyond swings at this point. Unfortunately, mine is more of a significantly green placeholder (currently +944% as of this post 😂) rather than an actual typical position size... **sad trombone**
EDIT: I guess I better add the picture to support that comment above before I start getting accused of being full of it... 🤪
Oh no question about that Weasel.
A more orderly and reliable market is key to many things ...... this very low volume action doesn't lend itself at all to trading. I don't think I could pull off any swing trading on this outside of trying to play junior MM and capture spreads. Not worth it and not enough volume to do it.
I actually don't think I should be calling my last buys a swing trade any more. Gee it's been 10 months now. Still holding strong.
Amigo Mike
I liked it better when this was more liquid...so you could actually attempt logical trades that didn't feel like a full-blown gamble. 😒😒😒
Hello Sweet 16!!
Haven't seen your pretty face in awhile!
Nice movement today!
And ..... at this moment in time ..... the beat goes on for ZIVO. Buy interest at the close yesterday and more buy interest today.
Granted we are not talking huge numbers but given the size of the float .... not surprising. Of course we'll prolly have that 3:59 on Friday seller ... LOL ...... but still melting northward and has ticked up to $15.50. $14 bid and more bid support underneath the hood.
Amigo Mike
LOL,
Not much ..... it is melting the wrong way though .... LOL.
Amigo Mike
What's there to look at on this price action Mike? Watching wet paint dry has more movement than this... 🤣🤣🤣
To start the morning .... L2 looking super thin on both sides of the ledger thus far. Probably about as thin as I've seen it after the 300 shares action this morning.
Love the $13x$15.50
I guess we don't have many folks looking at this board any more. I know there used to be quite a few but I suppose most have moved on over the years. Oh well. Not shocking ... and I think many have left IHub as a result of some of their recent changes. No surprise there either.
Amigo Mike
Well,
Now we get that 1/2 point rate cut from the Federal Reserve. Very good for small caps and risk assets. ZIVO certainly in that category.
We've had a couple nibbles at $14 so far today. About everything else in between the bid and ask. That bidder for 5000 shares is still sitting there under the market at $9.51. Surely would be nice to get some added positive exposure. Of course I'm sure the major animal pharmas here don't want too much attention on it ..... =)
Let's continue the melt up.
Amigo Mike
Gwinner,
Right about now most corporations should be wrapping up budget and planning for next year. Looking forward to a major animal pharma asking ZIVO to the dance. Unfortunately my experience with these things is they never happen fast.
We shall see how it plays.
And looks like a couple MMs lined up at $14. Only 800 shares displayed. Wondering if those will be cleaned out and the melting northward resumes.
$30. License IMO given market size for broiler chickens and multiple vertical options for coccidiosis alone (turkey, swine) ... $30 is too low given the validation ..... and the latitude that first license should bring.
I have my tickets to the show. Just wondering when it gets on the road. =)
Amigo Mike
Amigo, I suspect we get a follow-thru news item soon. They have so such to tell and they need to tell it louder so others hear (ie better PR'ing of the news)
IMO 30's will be here soon once they name a suitor...
ZIVO is holding up nicely after latest test result news. Even melting slightly higher. Been a few buyers recently. LOL wouldnt mind melting to the $15 level. Volume is virtually nonexistent still but not unusual for a float that is less than 1 million shares.
I'm not sure there is a good reason to sell here unless you absolutely have to or are happy with whatever gains you may have currently. I would think most might still be underwater unless you subscribe to the Amigo/Weasel method of extracting profits from this name over the years.
You all know IMO this stock should be $20 with the latest news. But not enough buying to get to that level yet. $20 just gets the company back to near historical valuation but IMO latest test result puts an animal pharma in the driver's seat for industry first comprehensive coccidiosis mgmt treatment program inclusive of non antibiotic enhancement and full non antibiotic option.
Who is it going to be to pony up for a license eh ?
I am curious but how many of you are still out there or at least have contact with this board ? I know there are some lurkers that don't post or that post once in a blue moon. Curious if there are any new thoughts of late ?
Amigo Mike
Twas back to a relatively sleepy day. Seller I think may have been taken or pulled back. The offer very thin for what was being displayed most of the day.
Probably too much to ask ...... but we need some more positive news !!!
Amigo Mike
Looks like our seller has returned .... stepping on $12 again with some size. Not the smartest thing to do if you ask me but to each his own. Presently 1500 being offered at 11.98 .... so we'll see if buyer step in to take it ..... or that results in a cap and taken down.
Amigo Mike
No more excuses. Get a deal done and revenues from licensing and not share sales. Unfortunately, insiders on the board control most shares and prefer to buy more using private placement.
Looks to me like someone picked up 2000 shares at ~$12 today.
The mid $9s were and have been still showing at least 6000 shares bid.
So seemingly there is some support there.
Bottomline we all know we need more news from ZIVO. I don't think anyone will complain if the stock hangs on around $12 or better after the latest round of testing while we are waiting. It would be a 50% uptick ..... even though IMO ..... it is still not high enough for where I think the valuation should be.
Guessing on how long it would take to negotiate a license is very difficult. Alot goes into it and of course depends on who's playing and how bad they want it. I don't really think ZIVO is in a position to make much in the way of demands in a license situation as it relates to the money part of it. Royalties are likely to be fairly standard but things like upfront money and milestones ..... I hope we get to see it. =)
Amigo Mike
We need to convert last week's Seller into a Buyer...Lets Go!
ZIVO
Zivo Bioscience Inc (QB)
13.45
3.439 (34.35%)
Volume: 447
Day Range: 10.00 - 13.45
Last Trade Time: 3:04:30 PM EDT
The action yesterday (mostly sells, highest volume day yet) combined with the complete lack of volume today implies to me that the small group that was pushing the stock on the news has exited/moved on (at least for now).
So, yes, agree with you that ZIVO gotta say sumthin to gitrmovin again...
The huge spreads, lack of liquidity is just such a turn off for me to even attempt holding a decent sized position.
Yup,
Kinda looks like all the bids were sold into the last 2 days ...... leaving a pretty wide chasm between the bid and offer. Certainly need more from ZIVO but we know how that goes ..... couple days of euphoria ...... months of aimless drifting. LOL. I would definitely like to see 1 or 2 industry articles / interviews here.
My SWAG here is it will not be months before next PR. What that PR is .... could be many things ...... so we'll just have to wait and see. IMO it should not take an animal pharma all that long to decide on a license here. No doubt take longer to draft up the legal BS that is needed to outline the license and process ..... than to actually agree on doing it.
Amigo Mike
What? You didn't like the $2-$3 spreads...well, GREAT NEWS...you now get to have $3-$4 spreads!!!! 🤣🤣
Who doesn't like the opportunity to be upside-down by 25%+ in an instant? lol
New buyers going to experience stock falling due to incompetent investor relations and poor communications from Grandpa P.
Bigger seller seeming stepping on ZIVO today. Can't say I'm shocked after a nice run and Mr Market have a bad couple of days.
Be interesting to see where ZIVO lands and how it plays out from here.
Mr 4900 shares still there at $9.50. Might get hit. Believe there is a seller with some size still in the $11s and pressing down on it.
Amigo Mike
Ok Gwinner,
Gotchya. I would surely like to see a sale of the company after the first license but I don't think that is what they want to do unless blown away with an offer they can't refuse. I get it .... they think they have new novel bioactive that has multiple vertical potential. No doubt in my mind either but for what this company is IMO they can only take it so far and there isn't a succession plan for Payne that I see.
ZIVO to 90 !!! LOL ..... um .... I told y'all I had GTCs in for ZIVO at $99.99 before. Funny .. today ... you can actually see that on L2 via ETRF as it isn't covered up presently. Do I think it is worth that ? Yes ... for new novel bioactive with multiple vertical options in but human and animal health. But will be see it anytime soon ? Not holding my breath on that though.
Amigo Mike
Amigo, the milestone I was referring to was the favorable results from its 42 day study in collaboration with a major animal health company.
You can't turn on the news without seeing another parasite infecting one of or agricultural farm animals and its only going to get worse with our growing population, smaller growing fields and factory run productions.
ZIVO is on the cusp of landing one of the major animal pharmaceutical companies either with a partnership or straight up purchase of the company which includes all the intellectual properties.
We are starting to see upward movement tic by tic so someone(s) are noticing. The wide spreads tend to spook people imo but more shares should start rotating in and out from the last run up
ZIVO to 90 !!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Gwinner,
What milestone news article are you referencing ?
I think Payne has all these animal pharmas in the rolodex. But some think they know better. Whatever.
IMO, all of those animal pharma links I posted ...... they all should have an interest. IMO, there are probably some that have a broader approach to disease mgmt that I think might fit better than others ..... but at the same time, I would think the guys on the top of the heap and/or with a more narrow focus ..... should wanna protect their positions and/or expand and improve their product. The last test proved that ZIVO's bioactive does it all.
I'll take close of $14.25 today having absorbed a seller along the way. Not bad. It would be nice if ZIVO had more news right now.
Amigo Mike
Hi Amigo!
Great recapping of ZIVIO potential!
My guess the milestone news article prompted a few suitors to step up due diligence and try to get a deal submitted.
My guess ZIVO gets some kind of proposal to consider VERY soon!
Well so far today looks like someone did a market sell of about 1900 shares during lunch. Bid was $14.00 at the time and dropped it to $11.25. Slowly small size bidding it back up. Including buys at the $15 level.
Still thin action but it is what it is. Just not that much stock to play with.
Amigo Mike
Should be an interesting week for ZIVO.
Does the stock continue its uptick ...... does it take a rest and begin to establish new base ..... does it pull back and try to find a new base .... or does it give it all back and start over ??? =)
Anyone's crystal ball working well ? LOL ..... inquiring minds.
My personal opinion is ... there is still no reason to sell .... at least for me.
The news is as good as can be expected for the time being. Right now I believe most larger corporations are working on completing their budgets for next year so IMO it is good timing as it relates to a company allocating money to a new license opportunity. I am concluding based on ZIVO's presentation that there is more than 1 large animal pharma in the mix here ...... I think this is fantastic not only to increase the chances of a license ..... but potentially the addition of competition into the mix presumably that would spur some action as well as support getting a better license deal.
Let's see what happens here. I'd like to see license for coccidiosis in broiler chickens and immediate announcement of expansion into turkey and swine testing. Need to expand the vertical options quickly to show the markets there are more opportunities here. And getting a large animal pharma to jump in and pay for these new verticals would be added bonus.
Amigo Mike
And last trade with enough size was at $13.50. Someone bought 50 shares at $14.84 before close but not big enough to trigger that as the closing price. Increased volume for the day.
I wonder how many retail investors own this stock now and how many might own more shares than what were traded today.
I'll take $13.50 all day for the closing price for the week. Very nice week indeed. Still holding with both fists. Not sure I can still call my "trade" a "swing" at this point. Been holding it since the lows of last year.
Amigo Mike
LOL,
No worries. Dahl .... I cringe thinking about that and all the wasted time.
Amigo Mike
Woops...sorry, I said Dahl out of the bad habit...lol. Definitely meant Payne...
The price ... is the price =) ........ and someone is paying nearly $15 for the stock presently. And no one "major" is gonna be able to buy size on the open market. There is almost no stock to be had. I don't really think an "institution" would even touch it here other than a private transaction.
And yes .... Armistice could be coming into play here.
Dahl .... now that is hilarious. I think most of his options/warrants were cancelled and don't recall him lending money. Would have to go back and look. Payne definitely lent money.
Amigo Mike
It's nobody major...it can't be. Literally 300 shares jumps it $2/share plus...and lot sizes are so small it's silly. That 900 share sell you mentioned was the highest two blocks at 500 & 400 I've seen since last Friday. Most are sub 100 share blocks...
Quickly approaching a level that is going to be damn near impossible to get through without significant volume/news. Our "buddies" over at Armistice have just shy of 500k warrants with a strike price of $16.80. Plus Dahl's candy of 65k shares at 17.46 from the "bullish" ( 😝 ) CEO loan way back when...
ZIVO being bought in the high $14s ......
...... wish I could take credit for the action but it is not me.
Amigo Mike
900 share seller at $13 but absorbed.
ZIVO looks like it is slowly being "walked" northward this week.
Amigo Mike
I'm not worried about insiders buying and getting warrant coverage. That comes with all kinds of strings which are a PITA.
I have purposely NOT participated in ZIVO PPs over the years because I am able to buy open market and at lower cost almost always ....... and with no restrictions.
The private warrants have almost never reached exercise strike before expiration and aren't tradable .... while the public warrants come with no restrictions and can buy and sell as needed.
Were I to consider purchase right now .... I would absolutely go open market .... even if offered warrant coverage. For me, that would not change until such time as ZIVO actually signed a revenue generating license deal. After that, I would consider buying from the company with candy.
Amigo Mike
Therein lies the entire issue. You have to chase dollars at a time to average up a few hundred shares...just not worth it.
Unlike insiders buying chunks, we don't get equal warrant coverage that essentially cuts cost basis in half and helps limit exposure to massive spreads and thin tape...
Ah well .... 12.74x14.63 presently on a small bit of buying
Kinda wondering if I should try to add to warrant leverage here. Would be averaging waaaaayyyy up at this point
Interesting
Amigo Mike
Just some info on the Coccidiosis market for broiler chickens.
Of course you have to pay to get the specifics of the report but some high level points made and industry players named.
https://www.industryarc.com/Report/16891/coccidiosis-treatment-market.html
And some fun "light" scientific reading.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0032579122000517
You may notice there is a growing segment of "anti biotic free" growers. And disease rates are approaching double that of growers using antibiotics. Hello ZIVO !! =)
Amigo Mike
LOL Weasel,
Cheerleader ? LOL. Hey ... someone gotta do it if the company won't.
The chart commentary is certainly a stretch ..... given the float and volume situation ..... could be $5 this afternoon .... could be $20 ..... anything can happen like you say. But bigger picture .... chart looks like there is and has been support after the run up last year ....$8 level was held .... and anything less was bought up pretty quickly. Now, we've slowly inched upward after more good news .... a 50% uptick to $12 .... maybe a breather in order ..... ya know .... all those zillions of share trading ... ..... I'd be happy with a little sideways action around $12 ... as base for next move to $20. =)
Also remember the bigger macroeconomic picture is moving towards favoring micro/small caps and risk assets.
I'll stick by $20 minimum price for where I think this stock should already be. While I obviously have no way of knowing what the animal pharmas ZIVO is working with think ..... I believe it is time for a license.
Amigo Mike
Careful, Mike...or we're gonna make you put on a cheerleaders outfit before posting in here... 😝 lol
I get everything you are saying and agree on what 'should' happen, but I'm still not sure how you are inferring what you are inferring regarding the price action on such minimal volume. I mean, up until this most recent run (late last year into this year)...I personally would typically hold more shares than what has traded in total combined since last Friday's "news".
When 200 shares moves the price dollars and creates $2-$3 spreads...there is nothing to be learned from that imo. And technical chart setups on such low volume mean nothing. Now, if it was trading 10, 20, 30k+/day and doing the same thing...much more likely to infer such in both instances.
Perhaps this is finally "it" for ZIVO, but given the number of times we've thought that in the past...caution is the only option from my seat. I'll let either a) actual news saying such or b) legit volume that precedes such...show me "this time is different".
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Nutraceutical World Article October 2010: www.nutraceuticalsworld.com/contents/view/29644
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