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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/03/29/project-morpheus-lunar-lander-apollo/?test=faces Check out Nasa is working on a new Lunar lander
They are still making new discoveries with old data. (From 40 yrs ago.)
http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/free_press/blog/2011/03/08/crunching-lunar-data
It would be a hard to come by item there though. LOL Will cow plops be a traded commodity soon?
Because God help you if you had a moon quake and had even a small crack. Have they even found "fault" zones where quakes would be more frequent as opposed to lunalogic inactive areas that would be more stable? Seems I recall siesmographic devices being set up. Have they kept the data and put it to use?
Yes you know it We own a 100 year old plus home and We found many such items inside walls and thoughout the construction here as i have renovated 99 percent Myself I know first handed that these walls have stood up to the test of time huricanes and north easters as We call them better than most of the New homes
Very interesting, 'specially the 195 degree steam treatment to further "temper" the mix. (Why did i think of cowpies right away when they mention "organic-fibers", lol)
Many ancient cultures made bricks 'n mortar utilizing various organic fibers including straw/chaff, horsehair and yes...even cow pies. Used to be, all plaster had horsehair in it.
http://www.physorg.com/news3985.html Flexi concrete study take a look at the photo //Viable use for Lunar construction I must say Bio domes etc...
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NSX/is_12_49/ai_n8590896/ Flexiable concrete data here
"Because of the high bulk-to-shear modulus ratio of palladium-containing material, the energy needed to form shear bands is much lower than the energy required to turn these shear bands into cracks," Ritchie says. "The result is that glass undergoes extensive plasticity in response to stress, allowing it to bend rather than crack."
We have tried this method trying to manufacture flexible concrete and I can say it worked to a limited extent
Maybe this "reciepe" for glass, metallic-glass?
Pallidium needed tho'.
http://www.labspaces.net/108509/Metallic_glass_tops_steel_in_strength_and_toughness
I read somewhere that glass manufactered on the Moon is 10 times stronger then steel made on EARTH due to the lack of moisture and the lower gavity . Great thought maybe We are onto something here .Let Us keep the thinking and lines of discussion open.
HMmm, lots of silicon...is Glass a good gear facing material???
Surely homan flesh is no comparison // I was thinkinking more along gyro /gear diven machines with large fly wheels used in order to generate tourqe in order to drive gears and shafts Any thoughts ?
Not knowing how strong lunar basault is, but could be used as basic structure, either "recast" or cut directly from the mother stone its self. (There would be a limit before gyroscopic-inertia would selfdestruct it.)....i know about this first "Hand" as it were...was holding a toy-gyroscope, i'd spun-up with air-pressure, minor lacerations resulted, lol.
Low G is the key momentum with less gavity or friction could be used as beamed microwave energy transmissions Wow one power plant with multi machines used to mine the moons surface .What a thought
I read the Cyclone engine (H2o working-fluid) for a car-engine replacement, produced about 330 HP, but a whopping 2,800 FT/Lbs of torque.
In low "G" conditions, you could spin-up a fairly large flywheel with 2800 ft/lbs (and the "flywheel" could be the actual rotor of a generator as well) and generate power that could be beamed Via microwaves at whatever device required power. (Line-of-sight.)
I wonder if solar power supply could be stepped up through a converter stored in batteries and then used to drive gyroscopic drives that would be used for motivational propulsion just a tought
Was pondering an idea....of using solar energy to provide motive-power directly to mining-equiptment, similarly to a rainken-cycle engine, or "steam-engine", but with something other than H2o as the working-fluid. Turning either a rotary-piston engine, or a radial configured piston engine connected to a variable-transmission and could co-generate electrical power. A simple stator/rotor located perhaps, opposite the output shaft of the engine. I don't know the chemical engineering required, but surmised something like Helium or S-Co2 (supercritical carbon-dioxide.
Take a look at the engines by Cyclone Power techknowledgies IBOX, at the CYPW board at ihub....good ideas
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.aspx?board_id=7618
Very cool pic, we had some overcast...so I didn't even pull the camera out....See how it goes May 6th next year when it happens again.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110324.html Good to see Us in the free zone //check out this photo of the Moon rise over Boston //Let Me know what you think
Lunar mining is now in the FreeZone!! This should bring in some fresh ideas...
I'd originally posted a request to move the board thru the admin-hide out board...no reply, so I PM'ed directly to admin with the request to put board in the freezone under health and sciences.
This would make it accessable to all members at ihub, and being in a non-premium zone could bring more PPL/ideas into the discussions.
Ihub could benifit by establishing the board to a freezone, as it may draw individuals that are unaware of ihub, but find the lunar-mining board through search engines while looking for related subjects.
Space debris, navigation hazards, PDF file...very informative.
http://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/CRSRA/files/Space_Debris_and_Reentry_Hazards_032708.pdf
Both China and U.S. have targeted their own defunct-satellites...not to clear orbits...merely to show they can whack anybody's sat-systems if they choose to do so.
...and created hazards to navigation...
Even a paint "chip" becomes a bullet at 17,000 Mph or more.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/5799961/chinese-space-debris-in-shuttle-near-miss/
I've asked ihub admin, if this board can be moved to the freezone.
Recently a SSTL satellite was retired, controllers groundside used the last of remaining propellant to lower the orbit as much as possible, thus speeding up the de-orbit.
Perhaps deorbiting should be provided for everything that goes up...it make sense to do so.
Creates jobs I guess.
It seems to be Human nature //Ceate the mess and then try to fix or cleanup later
I was even thinking a large magnet. It wouldn't even have to "catch" the stuff. Just change the path so it heads into the atmosphere or into space. Of course you would have to monitor it close as it would change the trajectory of stuff and some of that would stay in orbit with new unknown paths. We definately made a mess. We seem to be good at that.
Yes I know small parts cause major damage // Maybe a drift net with robotics could handle cleanup process
The hard part is the small stuff. It doen't have to be big to cause a disaster, moving at the speeds they are.
What goes up seems to become junk /clutter . What we need is a recycle program to reclaim and reuse said space junk renew and reuse I say uMHO
Haven't there been a couple of satelites hit by this already? That is the big fear is there will be a chain reaction as one is hit and the debris starts hitting others causing a quick build up. They track alot of this too, for obvious reasons. Seems like a huge expense and effort caused by our being pigs.
thats why i call him just "s" for short.
The NASA worker that fell, I haven't seen anything in news reports to suggest it was anything but a tragic accident.
Welcome Soma. Current space-related government projects are in disarray due to budget concerns, and I suspect the Air Force will be getting at least some of the "pie" from NASA's portion to continue secretive missions with the X-37B spaceplane.
Other countrys are expressing intrest in lunar resources, and China in particular is funding the effort in a big way and is now expanding its launch areas and preperation facilitys.
Reflecting upon the last 80 some years of aircraft industry as an anology, governments sustained the fledgling companys in early development..but the major advances of speed, range, and cargo-capacity were profit-motive driven.
Visionary Philanthropists put money in prizes for accomplishing endurance flights, much the same as the X-Prizes of today.
Great to see you here I will look at this site more //very busy now gotta go but lookig foward to speaking to you later Thanx Somatochlora
Don't know if you have heard of this group. I was a member in the early days.
http://www.planetary.org/home/
I don't see that large scale missions to Mars would be possible without a permenant presence on the moon. It will be far more economical to build and launch needed materials from the moon. Without this, Mars would be the equivilant of the Apollo missions. A few quick visits to pick up a few rocks soon to be stopped because people would perceive them as a waste. I agree. Spend the money on the moon, make that the stepping stone. Do it right.
i heard that too. did they ever find the cause? i may have to read the other posts but heard nothing more if it was accid or .. you know.. worse?
omg, b/t, i had NO idea that.......
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all this time, that you had such a board since july 2010!
you know what is so funny about it?? is that you would be the one that finds priceless minerals first, while others said "huh?"
i always knew you were an adventurist per your posts i have seen, but had no idea.
you are too much. its minds like yours that make this world go round.
im sure that there are great treasures out there and i hope you are the first to claim it. just remember your 'ol pals when you do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan Under energy and minerials
Afghan officials assert that "this will become the backbone of the Afghan economy" and a memo from the Pentagon stated that Afghanistan could become the "Saudi Arabia of lithium// Source Wika pedia
Yes I have amazing I say as well // I have heard through a mutuial friend that Afganistan Has proof of a major unexploited abundance of lit. just below the surface of its surface // Just a bit of inside info from a geo. prof.I cannot verify first handed so pure conjecture at this point
Even though Li is more abundant, still very scarce. I think the US has only a couple brine-mining operations. Would be great if we locate more of it. Have you seen the new iPad 2?...10 hour battery-life on its Li batteries....amazing!
http://orbitalvector.com/Solar%20System/Moon/Lunar%20Colonies/LUNAR%20COLONIES.htm I found this site and thought We might be able to use some info found here
Naturally occurring lithium (Li) (standard atomic mass: 6.941(2) u) is composed of two stable isotopes (6
Li and 7
Li, the latter being the more abundant (92.5% natural abundance). Both natural isotopes have anomalously low nuclear binding energy per nucleon compared to the next lighter and heavier elements helium and beryllium, which means that alone among stable light elements, lithium can produce net energy through nuclear fission. Seven radioisotopes have been characterized,
Welcome all. A place to discuss and share resources about utilizing construction materials found "in situ" on the moon. Any and all dicussions related to utilizing resources that abound in the solar-system are welcome, the main premise here should be, that we boost to space what few tools we need to develop those "In Situ" resources and "Bootsrap"the rest .
ZOOMABLE Images of the Whole nearside of the moon-mosaic.
http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc_browse/view/wac_nearside
And the rest of the galleries for LROC,
http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc
Links to late-breaking news, about lunarmining, moon-exploration and space research..at MoonDaily, moontoday and others to come, as I find them.
Some of the sources available might be those that have been launched already (Spacejunk sattilites and such) and are simply a hazard to other orbital endeavors. One way to make use of the "Spacejunk", could involve sending batches of tiny drones in a single launch that could find and attach to the larger items in orbit. These drones would utilise a low impulse ion drive to overtake the junk, attach by grapple or other means. Once attached, could fire a high-impulse rocket, (Solid-fuel, or liquid-fuel with a solid oxidizer.)
Don't be afraid to throw new stuff up here!...ANYthing that gets us out there and mining is accepted here. New drives and propellants. Self-replicating machines. New reactors for energy to drive mining/manufactoring equipment. Fusion advances. Autonomous manufactoring/mining equiptment.....Use your imagination!
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/space/moon-mars/4264325
Farside picture from NASA,
...More moon photos, various timelines.
Link to pictures of luna rock/soils thin-sectioned under microscope,
http://minerva.union.edu/hollochk/c_petrology/moon_rocks/index.htm
Information of space news and research can be found at Colony Worlds website, ...Courtesy of Admiral Lagrange.
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