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I will buy some ARSC and keep some IVOI.
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remember, while ARSC shareholders get 1 share of Hydra for each 153 of ARSC, IVOI shareholders get 1 Hydra share for each IVOI share. Your IVOI R/S will either cause further share sell-offs of Hydra because of the R/S or further drops of share to the ARSC Hydra dividend shares for example, if I owned 1,000,000 ARSC shares, I would get 6,536 Hydra shares, then your R/S at 268/1 I'm left with 24 Hydra shares as my divy
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notabadstock Share Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:41:37 AM
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The problem is that people are turning to IVOI right now thinking it's the better deal because of its present operating share structure and they just don't see how being in ARSC right now could be the better deal. HAHAHA, I've got news for them!
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notabadstock Share Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:41:37 AM
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The problem is that people are turning to IVOI right now thinking it's the better deal because of its present operating share structure and they just don't see how being in ARSC right now could be the better deal. HAHAHA, I've got news for them!
STAMB, thank you! This business of HYDRA/IVOI/ARSC is very
confusing. You are knowledgeable. It is convincing. I
only have a few .0001xIVOI shares, selling will create
a big loss for my portfolio. I will try to sell and
buy ARSC as you advise.
vdt
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Re: vdt post# 7932 Post # of 7949
Did some math for you to cut the loss by half if you would. If i were you i would sell all my 3528926 IVOI shares at 0,0001 to buy the same amount in ARSC. This would become 23527 shares of HYDRA which could bring you $1882. - of divi. at a pps of $ 0,08 per share. If you have a good day you may sell all IVOI for a double today and also double the divi the same time. So you could get $ 3764,- of divi plus $ 3528.- ARSC value as minimum. So, $ 7292.- worth of stock will reduce your losses to -$ 2908.-
I did the math with a HYDRA pps of $ 0,08. At a pps of $ 0,16 per share you come out with a plus of $ 856.- plus you hold your ARSC shares for another run. wink
it seems that I would get more "bang" from IVOI
shares than I would from ARSC shares....
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I admire your math, but it is hard to understand.
What do you mean by "more bang"? Thanks. Should
I have more hope for IVOI. Will IVOI increase
value from the current .0001 without the scary R/S?
vdt
You can haveI million dollars but without ARSC's product IVOI will spend that million on operating expenses. the ceo of IVOI makes over 400k a year. ARSC's product will create new revenue and the million dollars is just like an investor wanting a piece of ARSC product.
Great post- correct math and sound logic
I don't understand why some have ARSC driving the bus and that IVOI is willing to bend over and say F me please! ARSC is the one with nothing in the bank compared to TVOI $1M plus!
ARSC is the one standing near bankruptcy, IVOI is the one with the past history of making money spinning of POS!
IMO, it says "based on the current SS of IVOI HYDRA holders "would own" as opposed to "will own" 2.4% blah blah blah.
In franks latest statement he says,,,,""At the time of the merger, ARSC will have majority voting control of IVOI. It will be recapitalized and the name changed to Hydra Fuel Cell Corp., after which we will dividend the Hydra shares to ARSC's shareholders at an expected ratio of one (1) share of new Hydra stock for each 150 current shares of ARSC.
my opinion is that arsc takes over recaps then divvy's stock to arsc holders
Someone please correct me if I am wrong - but when I read IVOI's form 14C there is a statement "All of the common stock of Hydra will be exchanged for 1 million shares of iVoice Series A Preferred Stock" - it sounds like we all get a percentage of the 1 Million IVOI shares.
So if I am holding 10M ARSC shares then I will end up with 525 IVOI Class A Preferred (10M * .0525%) which would convert to 80,620 Common Stock.
Here is my math:
19,040,000,000 - Total ARSC Shares Outstanding
10,000,000 - My shares ARSC
0.0525% - My % of Total ARSC Outstanding (=10M/19.04B)
1,000,000 - ARSC xchng for IVOI Class A Preferred
525.21 - My shares IVOI Class A Preferred after Merger (= 1M*.0525%)
153.5 - Conversion Rate of IVOI Class A Preferred to IVOI Class A Common
80,620 - My shares IVOI Class A Common after conversion from Class A Preferred (=525.21*153.5)
Also, I am unsure how to interpret their statement "Hydra shareholders would hold 2.4% of the total outstanding Class A Common Stock" .....
This is the math for the 2.4%:
153,500,000 - If all Hydra/IVOI Class A Preferred converts to Class A Common
6,265,563,493 - IVOI Class A Common outstanding
2.4% - Hydra shareholders would hold 2.4% of total outstanding Hydre/IVOI Class A Common (153.5M/6.27B)
If my math is correct and if I am interpreting the 14C correctly, then my delima is - why would I hold ARSC instead of IVOI?
I am leaning towards believing that the "Recapitalization" will affect the whole bucket of New Hydra shares and existing IVOI shares. Other wise they would not make an "apples to apples" statement of the 2.4%....
All that considered - it seems that I would get more "bang" from IVOI shares than I would from ARSC shares....
Did some math for you to cut the loss by half if you would. If i were you i would sell all my 3528926 IVOI shares at 0,0001 to buy the same amount in ARSC. This would become 23527 shares of HYDRA which could bring you $1882. - of divi. at a pps of $ 0,08 per share. If you have a good day you may sell all IVOI for a double today and also double the divi the same time. So you could get $ 3764,- of divi plus $ 3528.- ARSC value as minimum. So, $ 7292.- worth of stock will reduce your losses to -$ 2908.-
I did the math with a HYDRA pps of $ 0,08. At a pps of $ 0,16 per share you come out with a plus of $ 856.- plus you hold your ARSC shares for another run.
Buy a big bunch of Arsc when you will get your Ivoi losses back. IMO
IVOI WILL R/S soon
you can't handle simple math so you change the subject.
"there are a finite number of shares to be had with HYDRA"
who is in lala land? ARSC also had a "finite" number of shares until frankie took the A/S from 2B to 20 billion over 18 month period!
Hydra has no product just a blueprint- look at the PRE 14C-
"Total Revenues 0.00"
Liberty Towers never even paid a down payment because they new if was a PR stunt to sell off more shares, imo. Otherwise it would have as an asset on the financial statement
at least IVOI had income coming in.
do some dd instead of listening to the dreamers on the other board
you are in la la land,....there are a finite number of shares to be had with HYDRA,,,,even if IVOI holders got all of them, you'd still be looking at a R/S.
IVOI has no product! ARSC is bringing the goods or they wouldn't call it HYDRA!
GLTY,...yer gonna need it!
Here, obviously your dog peed on your homework lesson and you need some help
Two things you need to understand:
a) Recapitialization RARELY means Reverse Split. A R/S is, however, almost guaranteed for ARSC
Recapitalization Definition
A change in a company's capital structure, such as an exchange of bonds for stock. Recapitalization is often undertaken with the aim of making the company's capital structure more stable, and sometimes to boost the company's stock price (for example, by issuing bonds and buying stock). Companies that do not want to become hostile takeover targets might undergo a recapitalization by taking on a very large amount of debt, and issuing substantial dividends to their shareholders (this makes the stock riskier, but the high dividends may still make them attractive to shareholders). Also, bankrupt companies often undertake a recapitalization as a part of their reorganization process.
Read more: http://www.investorwords.com/4078/recapitalization.html#ixzz1OnH8j8yZ
debt taken on (in deal); substancial dividends (promised in deal) do I need to stick your nose in it?
b) IVOI NOT ARSC is in the drivers seat- frankie went begging to them for a deal, Mahoney knows he is their last resource and will milk every penny he can get- he's not a charity worker. Without this deal (which frankie has been trying to pull off since 2008), ARSC goes chapter as they are out of cash and shares to dilute. This is why trading goes the way it is- market knows the better deal
Further Mmech,....if arsc stakeholders are getting 1 share of hydra for every 150 ARSC, then we can acheive my point through simple math (which is obviously not your strong suit).
19,000,000,000 (ARSC O/S) divided by 150 = roughly 126 mil hydra shares for ARSC holders.
153 mil total HYDRA shares ( per IVOI proxy) minus 126 mil shares = 27 mil shares maximum to be left to current IVOI holders.
6,200,000,000 ( current IVOI O/S) divided by 23 mil remaining HYDRA shares = best case scenario of a 268/1 R/S.
IMHO it will be much worse than that!
It is obvious to me that you are trying to get out of IVOI for something close to what you got in for,...which must be substantially higher than the current pps! But fleecing newcomers with blatantly false and misleading opinions is cause for a "Karma sore"
Karmasaur
read Franks statement,....they recapitalize IVOI and then convert their preferred shares homie.
Neukomm continued, "At the time of the merger, ARSC will have majority voting control of IVOI. It will be recapitalized and the name changed to Hydra Fuel Cell Corp., after which we will dividend the Hydra shares to ARSC's shareholders at an expected ratio of one (1) share of new Hydra stock for each 150 current shares of ARSC. We expect that the value of Hydra is such that its initial trading range could be between $0.08 and $0.16 per share."
I bought IVOI since 8/2005 ---12 cent a share then.
By 8/2010 IVOI's value was only .0001. It was
a terrible ride, depressing, disappointed! Now
It seems like some dawn signaling bright light?
Currently with 10,200 dollars lost from IVOI,
I still have 3,528,926 shares IVOI, I can not
figure it out, how much shares IVOI will become
after the "recapitalization" meaning R/S right?
How can IVOI become .08-.16 without a R/S ?
Please, anyone give me some ...insight? Thanks
vdt
Once they covert their preferred shares, they only control 2.4%
Voting a R/S to IVOI is not in ARSC's interest
Problem is you think "recapitalization" means reverse split. Do some DD and figure out what really will happen
Ask yourself why IVOI is merging with the charity case- they were nowhere near maxed out and had cash in the bank. Whereas ARSC had no way of new income without more dilution. ARSC needed the angel. No real investors seem interested. Why does Mahoney say to Frankie thanks, I don't want anything for IVOI, take it, and screw me (as the major share holder) while you're at it
If you believe that you don't understand Mr Mahoney
you are wrong, you know you are wrong and it is sick that you would deny the obvious. ARSC will gain control of IVOI and wipe the IVOI shareholders out! IMHO
The whole point of gaining a controling voting interest is so that the current IVOI stakeholders have no say!
reason being that while they will own 61.5% of the VOTING shares, they only own 2.4% of the outstanding shares.- doing a R/S is shooting themselves in the foot...
but then again the new management does have a history of stupid things...
from the last 14C:
"Based upon the present number of iVoice Class A Common Stock shares outstanding on the date hereof, 6,265,563,493 shares, the Hydra shareholders would hold 2.4% of the total outstanding Class A Common Stock shares should all of the iVoice Series A Preferred Stock be converted into Class A Common Stock shares."
hence, no buyer interest in ARSC (lot of red shares sold today, almost 100%), and IVOI remains up 100%
someone mentioned about how lucky the people are that got in on Hydra Fuel Cell Corp- guess what, 100% of the shares are owned by the officers and board members of ARSC- shares were never offered to the public
Further, my own calculations ( which are just as speculative as anyone elses btw) put the R/S somewhere in the neighborhood of 350/1 as a best case scenario. But, why wouldn't ARSC just wipe out the entire O/S of IVOI, as their obligation is to ARSC holders?
Lamb, arsc will have 61.5% of the voting interest of IVOI when they are delivered the 1 mil preferred shares, at which point IVOI will be "recapitalized", i.e. R/S imo.
With ARSC holders getting 150/1 divvy on their shares of arsc,....it will leave about 15% of the HYDRA O/S to be either delivered to IVOI holders, or left in the "vault" for future financing.
In my opinion, IVOI holders will be wiped out.
I am amazed there has not been a "fire sale" of IVOI shares to date,....recapitalization can mean only one thing IMO.
karma
I don't see a R/S for IVOI, notice that the merger conditions have them assuming ARSC as well as promising a big dividend for Hydra owners- all fits the discriptions below.
Recapitalization Definition
A change in a company's capital structure, such as an exchange of bonds for stock. Recapitalization is often undertaken with the aim of making the company's capital structure more stable, and sometimes to boost the company's stock price (for example, by issuing bonds and buying stock). Companies that do not want to become hostile takeover targets might undergo a recapitalization by taking on a very large amount of debt, and issuing substantial dividends to their shareholders (this makes the stock riskier, but the high dividends may still make them attractive to shareholders). Also, bankrupt companies often undertake a recapitalization as a part of their reorganization process.
Read more: http://www.investorwords.com/4078/recapitalization.html#ixzz1OnH8j8yZ
What Does Recapitalization Mean?
Restructuring a company's debt and equity mixture, most often with the aim of making a company's capital structure more stable. Essentially, the process involves the exchange of one form of financing for another, such as removing preferred shares from the company's capital structure and replacing them with bonds.
Investopedia explains Recapitalization
Recapitalization can be undertaken for a number of reasons, such as defending against a hostile takeover, minimizing taxes or to implement an exit strategy for venture capitalists. Companies often want to diversify their debt-to-equity ratio to improve liquidity. A good example is when a company issues stock in order to buy back debt securities, thus increasing its proportion of equity capital as compared to its debt capital.
Generally speaking, when a company's debt decreases in proportion to its equity, it has lower leverage and thus, ceteris paribus, its earnings per share should decrease following the change, however its shares would be incrementally less risky, since the company's shareholders have fewer debt obligations which must be paid by the company before shareholders can see profits
I would estimate about 65 shares of IVOI for 1. result: about 96.4 mil shares IVOI after R/S for a total of about 250 mil shares after that recapitalization. after conversion of the 1 mil pref. shares going to HYDRA shareholders they posess 153,5 mil IVOI shares. from the total of the 250 mil shares HYDRA shareholders have about 61.5.%, the rest is for the old IVOI shareholders.
So what does this mean? is R/S still due?
That's why 90 million bought at the .0002 ask why your baby is still at no bid
HA HA HA HA HA
ROTFLMAO
Frankie gonna R/S this into oblivian,,...only the arsc stakeholders gonna get a dime
RUN RUN RUN,...R/S COMING!!!!!!!
IVOI chart not looking good: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/196/20110531toscharts.png/
10-Q Filed 5-23-2011
http://ih.advfn.com/p.php?pid=nmona&article=47794816
No 10-Q, no NT10-Q
hello pinkie no information- caveat emptor maybe?
not a good starting place for any merger
All sells and one buy at 3mil. No, I'm not here to burst any bubbles because to me what happens with IVOI happens with ARSC.
Well so far not looking good chart wise: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/20110516toscharts.png/
looks like this stock is headed for a r/s the real winner will be hydra and the best way to get your shares in hydra is to buy ARSC before the ex divy date comes Good luck to all investors especially in this economy!!!
IVOI looks bad right now, chart: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/190/20110509toscharts.png/
I have a good feeling about the next few months :)
Come on guys let not jump around on different message boards bashing stock that we don't even own!!!
Info will be out soon and we will get some details IMO
Ivoi and Arsc are going to be winners
i have seen all the people you have influenced to buy this stock as a moderator and now your a basher ,,,you should be ashamed and just go away,,,,
Ya, I know. And unnerving as it gets too.
ARSC/HYDRA WILL be the primary winner. But you will only make enemies trying to tell them reason. So If I was you; I would not even try anymore . Just let them live and learn.
That is not to say that their is not room enough to make some money here also. Yes- some will make money here. However this is hydra's playground.
I hate to tell you all but you are thinking about ARSC as a whole and not Hydra itself. ARSC is sunk BUT not Hydra. And Hydra is going to be the winner for those holding shares in ARSC because it is a lot more valuable by itself and plus a $21 Mill back order. And yes, there may be a R/S coming for IVOI. Can't count that out.
Look at the charts between ARSC and IVOI
IVOI chart: http://img152.imageshack.us/i/ivoi20110425toscharts.png/
ARSC chart: http://img824.imageshack.us/i/20110425toscharts.png/
$1,488,557 in "cash and cash equivalents" on hand.
THIS IS WHAT I PAY ATTENTION: CASH CASH CASH ON HAND
HOPE IVOI WILL NOT HAVE REVERSE SPLIT
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http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1105064/000118518511000474/ivoice10k123110.htm
$1,488,557 in "cash and cash equivalents" on hand.
As of April 11, 2011, the Registrant had 6,265,563,493 shares of Class A, no par value common stock outstanding.
On March 9, 2011, iVoice, Inc. (“iVoice”) entered into an Agreement and Plan of Merger (the “Agreement”) with Hydra Fuel Cell Corporation (“Hydra”). Hydra is a wholly owned subsidiary of American Security Resources Corporation. Under the terms of the Agreement, Hydra will merge into iVoice with iVoice being the surviving company. All of the common stock of Hydra will be exchanged for 1 million shares of iVoice Series A Preferred Stock with each such share having super-voting rights equal to 10,000 votes for every one vote granted to iVoice Class A Common Stock and each such share being convertible, at the holder's option, into 153.5 shares of Class A Common Stock. Based upon the present number of iVoice Class A Common Stock shares outstanding, the Hydra shareholders will hold 61.48% of the voting shares of iVoice.
The closing for this contemplated transaction is expected upon: (i) completion of due diligence, (ii) certain specific conditions as set forth in the Agreement and the approval of this transaction by the Hydra and iVoice shareholders. iVoice will prepare and file with the Securities and Exchange Commission an Information Statement on Schedule 14C.
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IVOI (SEC Reporting Company)
Website: http://www.ivoice.com
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IVOI.OB Share Structure as of November 12, 2010
A/S 10,000,000,000
O/S 6,265,563,493
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http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/company_profile.jsp?symbol=IVOI
Managament
Jerome Mahoney is the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of iVoice Inc. since 1997. He is also the Non-Executive Chairman of the Board of Directors of Trey Resources, Inc., Deep Field Technologies, Inc, SpeechSwitch, Inc. and MM² Group, Inc.
Frank V. Esser.
Mr. Esser has served as a director of the Company since June 2005. He has been a director since February 2004. Mr. Esser functioned as Transfer Agent and Head Bookkeeper in the Treasury Department of Texaco Inc from 1959 to 1968. As a certified public accountant with Ernst & Young from 1968 to 1981, he participated in the audits of major publicly traded companies such as J.P. Stevens & Co., Dynamics Corporation of America, and Phillips - Van Heusen Corporation, along with law firms, banks, manufacturing companies and other organizations, and also participated in the public offerings of equity and debt and the preparation of SEC filings.
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801-484-7222 Fax: 801-466-4122
Email: jocelyn@fidelitytransfer.com
iVoice has found the best way to increase shareholder value, separate and apart from the operating performance of iVoice, is by spinning off and distributing shares of its wholly owned subsidiaries in the form of a special dividend to the Company's shareholders. The common stock distributions are part of a broader strategy relating to the transition of iVoice into a company focused on the development and licensing of proprietary technologies:
We also continue to search for potential merger candidates with or without compatible technology and products, which management feels may make financing more appealing to potential investors.
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iVoice, Inc.
750 Highway 34 Matawan, NJ 07747
Phone: 732.441.7700
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IVOICE PATENT-
United States Patent 6813341 Link to this page:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6813341.html Abstract:The present invention is an item location system which relies upon voice activation and responsiveness to identify location(s) of item(s) sought by a user. The system includes a continuous speech recognition digital signal processor, a programmable microprocessor interfaced therewith, voice input and user feedback mechanisms, including audio and/or video feedback. Preferred embodiments utilize audio feedback to the user. The continuous speech recognition engine utilizes Hidden Markov Models to create real time continuous speech recognition and feedback.
Talking Pill Bottle Aims To Curb Medical Errors http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4779825
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