Replies to post #256228 on Plastic2Oil Inc (PTOI)

[stocker11]

You're forgetting a number of things:
1) there is plenty of optimal plastic which can be obtained without much effort;
2) they save tipping fees;
3) they save expensive landfill space (thus the environment);
4) they create usable fuel that can be used their plants and in fleets (eventually);
5) tax benefits;
6) positive publicity

All of these things will assist making processors extremely viable (especially Waste Management Companies - and there are lots of those around the world).

[blind squirrel]

buenokite,

While your questions and concerns are logical and realistic they are, IMO, stuck in the here and now. Everything humans have invented from the stone ax to social websites has changed dramatically as the knowledge gained from using them is reapplied. The first planes didn't have overhead storage and didn't come with a mid flight meal. Things worth doing always evolve and strangely enough there are almost alway people willing to get invloved in the early stages of a new idea or product and take part in that evolution.

IMO JB is a horrible businessman (inventor types often are), much money has been wasted and, many mistakes have been made. I wish that wasn’t the case but I can’t change it so can either move on or choose to believe in the future. I choose to believe in the future because at the center of the JBII soap opera I think there is a fundamental process that works better than those before and around it and it appears to be scalable to a commercially viable process.

Is P#3 fully ready for primetime – no. Will P2O be adopted by all that might benefit or be interested in pyrolysis – no. That said I believe there are people/companies that will be willing to “get in early” and be a part of the evolution. Accordingly I agree with stoker11’s recent statement:

When JBI is capable of consistently running 2000+ lb/hr for 30+ continuous days over a 2-3 month period I expect we'll see major media lining up at the door for feature interviews just like buyers are lining up for processors.

[steelyeye]

1) What capabilities in the machines are there to handle contaminants or wet plastic? Or even water-separated HTF for that matter? Or is the approach truly to stock up on burst disks and hope for the best?

I thought everyone who actually read this paper had already found those answers by now?

Evolution of Plastic2Oil

"The “brain” of the process is a significant custom-programmed, data acquisition and control system (Fig. 8). Due to the unique nature of the process, thermocouples, pressure sensors, a scale, an oxygen sensor, level sensors, and proximity sensors were installed throughout the system."

"Process safety is designed through various levels of hardware installed to ensure proper and safe operation. Early triggers for potentially unscheduled events are monitored by chemical operators, through the software managing the process. Risk is greatly reduced by operating the process at slightly above atmospheric pressure."

Burst disks are a last resort... Its the embedded ice from being left out in the elements that caused problems last year, and testing HTF for water or contaminants is now happening.

2) ... for all of the reasons that it is difficult to obtain plastic from a waste stream for recycling, the same would apply to obtaining plastic from a waste stream to put into JBI machines.

Completely false... MRFs do this separation all day long, and all waste management companies and many municipalities have MRFs.

3)... We will see in the next 10-K if all the grand statements at the AGM were real or the typical Bordynuik nonsense.

Yes we will see.