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12/23/13 11:53 PM

#215622 RE: Bernija1 #215607

Bernija1, your research suffers from 25 years of neglect
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/pepsi.asp

.. guess you are submerged in the Children of God camp, too

from page 1

No person or entity is manufacturing food or other products intended for human consumption that contain aborted human fetuses. But some food companies are using cell lines that were originally derived from human fetuses in order to develop new food products. Moreover, many medicines and vaccines, which I suppose could be seen as “meant for human consumption.” The Children of God For Life, which according to press reports inspired Shortey’s bill, also opposes standard vaccines for chickenpox, rubella and hepatitis A and drugs such as Roche’s Pulmozyme for cystic fibrosis and Amgen‘s Enbrel for rheumatoid arthritis. (See a list of products Children of God For Life say are unethical .. http://www.cogforlife.org/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf .)

from page 2

There’s a huge public health upside to what Synomyx is doing. They are developing flavors that mimic sugar, salt, and also savory tastes. I’m a guy who doesn’t drink soda because of the health risk involved. But replacing ingredients that can lead to obesity, high blood pressure, heart disease, and cancer strikes me as a useful endeavor. The creation of a medicine like Pulmozyme for cystic fibrosis, which the Children of God For Life says also used HEK cells, seems even more worthwhile. So do the vaccines from Merck and GlaxoSmithKline that the group also opposes.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2012/01/27/fetal-cells-in-soda-not-quite-the-discomfort-behind-the-controversy/

.. so the position seems to be you would rather not have the mimicking "sugar, salt and savory tastes' ingredients, nor the vaccinations, but rather more unhealthy people, and even let children die from diseases which vaccinations protect children from .. even though the biochemistry involved is derived apparently from one single fetus way back in the early '70s ..

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HEK 293 cells were generated in the early 70s by transformation of cultures of normal human embryonic kidney cells with sheared adenovirus 5 DNA in Alex van der Eb's laboratory in Leiden, The Netherlands. The human embryonic kidney cells were obtained from a single apparently healthy fetus legally aborted under Dutch law; the identity of the mother and the reason for the abortion are no longer known. The kidney cells were originally cultured by van der Eb himself; the transformation by adenovirus was performed by Frank Graham in van der Eb's lab and were published in the late 1970s after Graham left Leiden for McMaster University in Canada. They are called HEK since they originated in human embryonic kidney cultures, while the number 293 comes from Graham's habit of numbering his experiments; the original HEK 293 cell clone was simply the product of his 293rd experiment. .. .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEK_293_cells#Origin

.. on balance, on what i have just read, i don't think the Children of God's (yours also am guessing) position has either a moral or ethical leg to stand on .. the position feels rather more like a venomous spider .. and immoral ..