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stills999

11/26/13 11:00 PM

#88 RE: Huggy Bear #86

So it seems we agree on the nature of consciousness (let's say for now it is special), the nature of truth (it is linked to the special nature of consciousness), and that however difficult it is to comprehend truth intellectually/analytically, through shared discovery there is common meaning to be found.

Do I have that right? If so, that's quite a bit of common ground!

Since we agree on so much, what next? Do we try to find more deeply where we disagree (which is inevitable) or do we try to investigate more deeply to better develop this common outlook? Or talk about something else?

What I'd like to talk about next, I think, touches on all three!

In my investigation and research, I'm looking very squarely at the academic community and the prominence of physicalism. That spills over tremendously into the rest of society. (There is an amazing book called 'The meeting of East and West' that has some amazing examples how cultures and societies have values linked very closely to the associated philsophical beliefs.)

Despite some of the shared outlook you detailed between attitudes today and Existentialism, I think few would call themselves Existentialists but I bet a ton of these folks would think the nature of reality is merely a bunch of random particles colliding in time and space .... which leaves little room for any deeper meaning!

Also, I believe academia is itself motived/corrupted by financial incentives. It is much more profitable to be considered an authority ... people look to experts for answers not experts as being someone who says 'I don't know'. Physcalism, despite all the deep issues that have been provided over the centuries, provides this foundation of expertise.

When going through the literature, it is amazing the twists and turns I see that are taken to establish physicialism. With some fundamental philsophical knowledge and critical thinking, it surprises me how easy it is to poke holes in arguments that supposedly establish physicalism.

The discussion from here, to question physicalism, goes to both metaphysics and espistemology ... Hume, Kant, Quine, the logical empiricists and from there to more recent discussions into the phisosophy of science (problems of inductive reasoning), the nature of consciousness, and the definition of truth iteself. Anything here you'd like to comment/discuss ... I'm afraid it gets very deep!



stills999

11/27/13 12:03 AM

#89 RE: Huggy Bear #86

"You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist."
Friedrich Nietzsche

Please don't disregard my previous post but I have one more thought related to above.

I'm not sure we agree here, but I think Nietzsche confuses knolwedge not being absolute with truth itself not being absolute. (There is also different context that somone with a physical disability might not like dancing, but such difference of opinion is not a philosophical issue.)

(I've not read Nietzsche, but just inferring from the quote.)

Can anyone of us know with certainty what is utlimate truth. I'm talking outside of immediate experience such as truth of metaphysics, utlimate cause and effect underlying reality, and so forth? I would tend to agree with Nietzche that the answer is 'No'.

BUT ... through sharing our experiences we can expand our perspective and thus get CLOSER to knowing truth. If we had the time and openess to really share our perspectives I'd argue that through this process my way will become more like your way and your way will become more like my way.