If you know that 99% are frauds, but you play the news/PR/momentum, you can still make money. The problem is, sometimes they look very real and you stay longer than you should. NSAV did when they had their site where they sold products at a discount. Anyway, I got stuck in it and averaged down to get out. BIG MISTAKE. Lost a ton of money which I will never get back. NEVER AVERAGE DOWN! Take your loss and go somewhere else. For me, at this point it doesn't matter anymore. My stock is only worth a few hundred dollars, so I will sit tight in the hope that the lenders will manipulate it up at some point.