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Ferick

07/25/13 11:05 PM

#35705 RE: rkiefhaber #35704

I can understand the confusion in the specifics of the total number of shares between '97 and '09.
Though it seems the last filing date of '97, as stated in the most recent "Cease and Desist Order" (the order), Oct. 7, 1997 is not the last filing of 1997 but Dec. 4, 1997 (see below).

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/914257/0000950144-97-013031.txt

In the above referenced document, there are numerous new shares issued, sold, transferred in exchange for services, etc.

I didn't do the math but apparently, neither did anyone else.

It's my contention that, when the corp. was transferred to the new corporate owners, B.C. made took a share count (fuzzy math) and the new crew accepted the numbers.

There could likely have been some share transfers someone (?) made that were not reported as required (Page 3, Pp 2 – Page 5, Pp 8). More document examples apply.

According to "the order" on June 2, 2009, the shareholder list showed 25,062,742 issued and outstanding shares of GRNO stock.
According to a phone conversation with Tom Curtis of Bay City Transfer, on 12/3/2012 there were 172,607,992 outstanding shares of GRNO stock with 74,136,342 non-restricted.

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Toxic Avenger

07/26/13 6:17 AM

#35706 RE: rkiefhaber #35704

With the Monk disgorgement, the share transfers from Margiotta to Ramos and Ramm, the explosion and fire, I think an accurate share count is the least of their problems.

GRNO is going nowhere as a stock, I suspect there are several people using the missing information as an excuse to avoid going to jail. There were enough PRs about how the audit was almost complete that it may not be possible.