Re: Meme on the rag.
Man, this board is on the rag! This has got to be the most extended period of PMS I've ever seen. LOL
Somehow I feel a bit like I was responsible for starting the vitriol in a little way.
I'd say that mikkj, & especially indy, are a hell of a lot more guilty of posting vitriol than you are, but your hypocrisy with regard to "tactfulness" and "a thoughtful exchange of ideas" certainly didn't help things. And the rather petty and biased choices you continue to make in terms of what perceived faults you think are worth taking the time to criticize don't exactly reflect a great sense of fairness, do they?
I finally got fed up with L.C.'s condescending, long-winded posts.
You would be hard pressed to demonstrate that your posts are any less so than mine. Hell, just about all of you have, at one time or another, prompted my responses by being so damn condescending yourselves. As far as being "long-winded", I've just been responding to the quantity of BS that's been posted. (By the way, did you take a look at the length of your own post before you submitted it? Not likely to be mistaken for a telegram, is it?)
The mere fact that he can't even recognize his monotonous, holier than thou, droning means he is hopeless.
Let's see, you say I'm condescending, long-winded, monotonous, and holier than thou, and that I drone. Given some of the traits you guys have demonstrated in your own posts, I'd say these particular insults are rather benign. In fact, they are pretty much the sort of words one could expect to see used by somebody about those they disagree with, when they can't quite take them on with regard to the merits, point by point. It's too bad you can't seem to manage actually pointing to a few statements in my posts and saying "you got this wrong, LC, and here's why". (Of course, given your collective track record for logic and accuracy, I'd probably have some challenges of my own in response, and then you'd most likely run for cover or change the subject.)
L.C. You have absolutely NO SENSE OF HUMOR WHATSOEVER!
Have you taken a close look at my username?
In the real world I don't even bother with humorless people.
Given some of the hostility that passes for humor around here, I'm hardly the one who is challenged in that area. Sorry, but despite your attempts to cover yourself with such claims, the problem isn't a lack of a sense of humor on my part, it is a lack of integrity and consistency on yours. You and others use what you THINK is a sense of humor as an excuse to belittle those of us whose views you disagree with, and then, as a shield to hide behind with expressions like "lighten up" when we fire back.
I don't really care what your beliefs are. You could be a liberal and I'd still find you tiresome.
Yeah, well, excuse my skepticism about that since, if we were on the same wavelength politically, and if I were using exactly the same style to make mincemeat out of the logic of those you disagree with, and asking questions of them that had them complaining about too many questions rather than answering them, and prompting insults like the kind Indy has resorted to in order to cover themselves, I have absolutely no doubt that you would be the first one to cheer me on, regardless of the length of my posts, the number of questions in them, or how condescending or "holier than thou" I was being. All you really seem to be responding to is that you don't like the fact that some libertarians won't back down when criticized.
Besides, if I'm so "tiresome", then why do all of you keep posting so much stuff for me to respond to? And how "tiresome" do you think all the insults were that were hurled at libertarians before I started responding? You know, the fact that you even take the time to express such insults about me at all, when there is SO much more fodder for real criticism in the posts of those you do agree with, is a further testament to your own hypocrisy. In fact, have you taken a look at Indy's posts #2006, 2046, & 2054? Just some fine examples of that good old sense of humor at work, right? What a swell guy!
And, no doubt, this post will send you off into another diatribe.
Still no criticism from you, of course, for all the unfounded, venomous "diatribes" about libertarians that have been posted. Why, you just keep demonstrating how blinded you are by your own bias, don't you? It would at least reflect a hint of honesty if one of you would sincerely and convincingly come right out and say "yes, you should just accept having your motives attacked, and being repeatedly demonized, and keep quiet about it". All of your own "diatribes" seem to reflect that opinion, you just lack the forthrightness to clearly express it.
It's rather funny that you refer to us as "hit and run." I type approximately 75 words a minute. I know how long it takes to compose a single long message.
My use of the expression "hit and run" refers not to length, but to the tendency of anti-libertarian posters to engage in some fairly vicious criticism, and then dodge legitimate and relevant questions about the foundation of those criticisms, i.e. to be able to dish it out a lot better than you can take it. It is, after all, the "take it" part that you guys seem to find so "tiresome".
There are times when you post that it appears you spend your ENTIRE day responding to other posters.
Since that is never the case, thanks for the compliment. Don't worry, I know you probably meant it as an insult, since you guys seem to look for them wherever you can find them.
Besides, if my posts are too long for you, or if you think I ask too many questions, I'll be happy to stop responding as soon as you guys stop posting stuff that deserves to be questioned or challenged. And as soon as you start again, chances are I will too.
I am not afforded that luxury anymore, and if I were I don't think I'd waste so many of my days responding to what you essentially said were unworthy debators.
You're being far too kind. It's much more specific than that. It has to do with them being dishonest, inconsistent, uncivil, unfair, running for cover in the face of challenges and questions about their own rather bitter accusations about libertarians, and probably a few other things I can't recall at the moment. Challenging such things is never a "waste".
Besides, I didn't start out with such low expectations about any of you, especially mikkj, for whom I've actually had some respect in the past, but by now those poor expectations are quite well founded with regard to all of you. Even Indy seems to have taken his poison to new depths. The unwarranted hostility, and the lack of integrity and fairness in your collective approach to these recent disagreements, is astounding. And it would be a refreshing change if just one of you would actually attempt to exceed those expectations, rather than being content to live "down" to them.
So "hit and run" it'll be.
What a surprise.
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