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VivaLasVegas

05/13/13 12:55 PM

#23623 RE: autotel #23621

Haven't you stated this before?
LOL
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onco

05/13/13 1:05 PM

#23625 RE: autotel #23621

if the OBS is to be cancelled it needs to say that in the POR per your definition,and it is not i believe
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stockmojo9

05/13/13 1:54 PM

#23634 RE: autotel #23621

autotel:

<<The Regular preferred and common have already been cancelled. Thats why the liquidating trust.>>

The brokerage is the Chp 7. Everything else is Chp 11.

So, again, I'm not sure of what you're referencing.

Can I help?
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hestheman

05/14/13 12:32 AM

#23688 RE: autotel #23621

Yes, you are right about preferreds and commons being cancelled...it is their interests that are now preserved in the trust, which is why Lehman can still claim to have their old cold shareholders (only through the liquidation phase) in order to maximize a return to creditors through sale of assets. There is a 2 year window in which a company is allowed to have an ownership change. When the new company is ready to emerge, they will not need these (OBS) shareholders to adhere to the old cold rule. They can still however, use old cold debt (debt does not have the same ownership rules under IRS). CT's are a hybrid of old cold debt/equity. Plus...CT's have a non discharge/successor obligor clause. The OBS can be dissolved/discharged...CT's can not (unless Lehman does not emerge with a going concern successor. The new company will preserve as much NOL as possible while issuing new shares along debt, combatting COD with whatever market value the company may have. Here is an example....when Lehman was going to IPO Archstone, they were going to issue shares of Archstone to who? A: Debt or B: Equity (the answer is A). This is where common sense prevails....if most bankruptcies operate under the way you are describing, more cases would be seeing equity shareholders walk out as the big winners. It is obvious that most of the time creditors do and that is not the case....thus why I bought CT's.
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mik1

05/14/13 7:08 AM

#23696 RE: autotel #23621

The testing period determined by IRS Section 382 is 3 years. The same period established in the Plan Trust agreement.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/382