Seems like everyone comes to the same conclusion about the central figures in CDEX. The "birds of a feather flock together" theme. To fabricate for a living. To take others money while looking them right in the eye and know that what they all telling them is a lie, and this over and over. Maybe that explains why there are no mirrors in the rental space. But, there must be some where there go to worship and sing, nah probable not.