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wall_rus

02/28/13 9:18 AM

#30436 RE: JJL #30434

Off to work. You've presented some interesting possibilities. When I get back, maybe we can talk about the "Known", the "Unknown" and the "Unknowable".
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chloebware

02/28/13 5:03 PM

#30447 RE: JJL #30434

Look here

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After Samuel had died, he was buried in Ramah. After Samuel's death, Saul received no answer from God from dreams, prophets, or the Urim and Thummim as to his best course of action against the assembled forces of the Philistines. Consequently Saul, who has earlier driven out all necromancers and magicians from Israel, seeks out a medium, anonymously and in disguise. Following the instruction of her visitor, the woman claims that she sees the ghost of Samuel rising from the abode of the dead.[1] The voice of the prophet's ghost, after complaining of being disturbed, berates Saul for disobeying God, and predicts Saul's downfall, with his whole army, in battle the next day, then adds that Saul and his sons will join him, then, in the abode of the dead. Saul is shocked and afraid, and following the encounter his army is defeated and Saul commits suicide after being wounded.
The woman is described as "a woman with an ob" (????, a talisman[2] or perhaps wineskin)[3] in Hebrew, which may be a reference to ventriloquism,[4] and claims to see "elohim arising" (plural verb) from the ground.
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daytona45

03/02/13 1:51 AM

#30505 RE: JJL #30434

C.G. Jung and the collective unconsciousness.
plus dream theory from Freud and his 'disciples'.


you may watch Marie-Louise Von Franz Way of dream on youtube.