Replies to post #216359 on Plastic2Oil Inc (PTOI)

[arvitar]

ROFL!!! JBI = STOCK PRINTING SCAM with NON-PATENTABLE MONEY-LOSING PROCESS.


End of discussion. period.

[Arthur Edward Whoof]

Absolute nonsense. JBII's system is a closed loops system. The contaiminates end up the in the residue.

There are no scrubbers on the stack as I am led to believe, therefore anything that passes through the system and is returned to the furnace as off gasses to be burned to supplement the heating of the reactor and pre-melter(s)is going to go right up the stack.

Put anything except clean sorted plastic in the machine and see if your stack test passes emissions.

Better yet, see if there are any survivors in the plant.

accidentally mixing the smallest amount of the wrong type of plastic, or contaminate will produce really nasty outputs such as-

Hydrogen cyanide (with the alternate archaic name of prussic acid) is an inorganic compound with chemical formula HCN. It is a colorless, extremely poisonous liquid that boils slightly above room temperature at 26 °C (79 °F). Hydrogen cyanide is a linear molecule, with a triple bond between carbon and nitrogen. A minor tautomer of HCN is HNC, hydrogen isocyanide.

Hydrogen cyanide is weakly acidic with a pKa of 9.2. It partially ionizes in water solution to give the cyanide anion, CN–. A solution of hydrogen cyanide in water is called hydrocyanic acid. The salts of hydrogen cyanide are known as cyanides.

HCN has a faint, bitter, almond-like odor that some people are unable to detect owing to a genetic trait. The volatile compound has been used as inhalation rodenticide and human poison. Cyanide ions interfere with iron-containing respiratory enzymes.

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Hydrogen sulfide (H2S)
All hydrocarbons can produce hydrogen sulfide gas as a by product of pyrolysis. Hydrogen sulfide (British English: hydrogen sulphide) is the chemical compound with the formula H2S. It is a colorless, very poisonous, flammable gas with the characteristic foul odor of rotten eggs.

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Hydrogen Chloride gas (HCL)
The compound hydrogen chloride has the chemical formula HCl. At room temperature, it is a colorless gas, which forms white fumes of hydrochloric acid upon contact with atmospheric humidity. Hydrochloric acid, the aqueous solution of hydrogen chloride, is also commonly given the formula HCl. Because of its acidic nature, hydrogen chloride is corrosive, particularly in the presence of moisture. It will rust the inside of the reactor very quickly and anything metal in the area of exposure.

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Dioxins (Polychlorinated dibenzodioxins) and other Dioxin-like compounds
Chlorinated hydrocarbons produce HCl upon combustion almost quantitatively related to their chlorine content. Extensive studies in Europe indicate that the chlorine found in emitted dioxins is not derived from HCl in the flue gases. Instead, most dioxins arise in the condensed solid phase by the reaction of inorganic chlorides with graphitic structures in char-containing ash particles. Copper acts as a catalyst for these reactions. Studies of household waste burning indicate consistent increases in dioxin generation with increasing PVC and other chlorinated hydrocarbon concentrations.

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Hydrogen fluoride gas (HF) is a chemical compound with the formula HF. This colorless gas is the principal industrial source of fluorine, often in the aqueous form as hydrofluoric acid. HF is widely used in the petrochemical industry and is a component of many superacids. Hydrogen fluoride boils just below room temperature whereas the other hydrogen halides condense at much lower temperatures. Unlike the other hydrogen halides, HF is lighter than air and diffuses relatively quickly through porous substances. Hydrogen fluoride is a highly dangerous gas, forming corrosive and penetrating hydrofluoric acid upon contact with tissue. The gas can also cause blindness by rapid destruction of the corneas.

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Toxic by-products of pyrolysis of PTFE
The pyrolysis of PTFE is detectable at 200 °C (392 °F), and it evolves several fluorocarbon gases and a sublimate. One of these gasses is Hydrogen fluoride gas (HF).

Upon contact with moisture, including tissue, hydrogen fluoride immediately converts to hydrofluoric acid, which is highly corrosive and toxic, and requires immediate medical attention upon exposure.

And many many more...


JBI has a very specific permit and EPA regulation that prohibit contamination going into the reactors for a reason. To prevent the creation of deadly off gasses which can be produced by the introduction of the simplest of contaminates into the reactor. How they get away with not having a scrubber at least for the sake of safety is unimaginable.

I wonder what kind of press coverage JBI will get once they try putting contaminated plastic in their reactor and poison NF. How about the thought of cancer causing dioxins emanating from the plant?

Go ahead, try running unsorted unwashed plastic with no scrubbers and see how long the units run before the place is shut down and quarantined off. maybe that's what all the delays have been about???