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What is there to debate about Govt sponsored assassination of American Citizens without due process?

We don't live within a kingdom.

Are Obomba supporters members of a death cult or free thinkers that respect the rule of law?

There should be no grey area in this arena.

The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution each contain a Due Process Clause. Due process deals with the administration of justice and thus the Due Process Clause acts as a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the Government outside the sanction of law. The Supreme Court of the United States interprets the Clauses however more broadly because these clauses provide four protections: procedural due process (in civil and criminal proceedings), substantive due process, a prohibition against vague laws, and as the vehicle for the incorporation of the Bill of Rights.

The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides:
or shall any person . . . be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

Section One of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides:
or shall any STATE deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law . .

Void for vagueness

The COURTS have generally determined that laws which are too vague for the average citizen to understand deprive citizens of their rights to due process. If an average person cannot determine who is regulated, what conduct is prohibited, or what punishment may be imposed by a law, courts may find that law to be void for vagueness. See Coates v. Cincinnati where the word "annoying" was deemed to lack due process insertion of fair warning.

Remedies

The Court held in 1967 that “we cannot leave to the States the formulation of the authoritative . . . remedies designed to protect people from infractions by the States of federally guaranteed rights.

"The words 'due process' have a precise technical import, and are only applicable to the process and proceedings of the courts of justice; they can never be referred to an act of legislature."
~Alexander Hamilton

It was never a thought the Executive Branch would determine this. Our separation of powers doesn't even allow for it.

Never in the history of this country, until now, has the Executive Branch unilaterally determined what due process IS or has created their own definition and implemented it in such a Orwellian fashion, in direct violation of the Constitution, individual rights, due process and the rule of law.