Joel who spoke to me once and told me that the reason they didn't have any booths at th Las Vegas pet trade fairs was they they were not in enough stores yet. ..But maybe by Halloween they would be in enough so they duo possibly attend the HUGE Christmas show in Chicago... Biggest in the country. Did we attend? No. I have spoken to him in the past, I have spoken to all but Lisa. I will be very interested in seeing the year end statement or next 10 Q. ..or of course bars at my local Walmart. I will believe again then.